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[IC] ePBT SimpleJA - GB has begun
« on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:23:32 »

SimpleJA

Current status: GB is live; GB thread here.


SimpleJA attempts to recreate the vintage "cross-positioned" legends which were common on many vintage Japanese keyboards.

Many hours of research were conducted to create legends that are as genuine to the originals as possible.

Historically used legends from vintage boards were implemented wherever possible; those that did not exist were crafted carefully to match the others.




Design Decisions

The basic white/beige color scheme was chosen as a neutral colorway that matches both the vintage style of the keyset as well as newer sleek keyboards.

The modifier keys were kept all-Japanese for a uniform look.





Kits

Base Kit
Enough keys to fill most form factors below TKL size.

Spacebars Kit
1x 6U Convex
2x 3U Convex
1x 2.75U Convex
1x 2.25U Convex
1x 2U Convex
2x 1.5U Convex
2x 1U

Numpad Kit
Keys to fill a numpad, whether regular, all-1U, or part of a 1800 layout.
The order of the 1U modifiers are based on the style found on the NEC PC-8801 and PC-9801 series.

Ortho Kit
Many 1U keys which can help fill ortholinear and smaller ergonomic boards.

Function Kit
Includes both a vertical M1-M10 cluster for XT/AT inspired layouts, as well as a F13-F24 cluster for 122-key inspired battleships.

Renders

The legends in the renders appear a tad thinner than the source graphic for some reason.





Timeline

Once samples are confirmed and pricing is set, GB will begin.


Push updates

If you would like to receive push updates for the project, please join my Discord server and obtain the simple-ja role by running the following command: .iam SimpleJA
« Last Edit: Tue, 06 August 2019, 07:52:33 by ai03 »

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:23:46 »
FAQ

Q. Who will produce this keyset?
A. Likely EnjoyPBT. I still need to get quotes and all if there is enough interest.

Q. How much will it cost?
A. Unknown as of now, although I'll guesstimate that it'll be close to existing ePBT sets. If there seems to be enough interest, I'll grab a quote and report back.

Q. What keyboards did you reference for the legends?
A. Quite a few. Mainly the NEC PC-82/88/9801 series, Sharp X1/68000, Fujitsu FM-Towns, Oasys, and various others.

Q. I don't like the winkeys. Can I use something else in its place?
A. The 拡張機能 (Extended Functionality) keys will likely be the best replacement.

Q. Why are there so few convex keys in the spacebar kit?
A. Mainly due to ePBT mold limitations.

Q. Will there be other colorways available for the legends later?
A. Possibly in the future, but for now I'll stick to the milk white/beige coloring.

Q. Why is the row numbering on the kit images reversed?
A. For some reason, ePBT numbers them that way, reverse of the usual.

Q. Why are <insert keys> missing?
A. Because I'm terribly uneducated regarding keyset compat beyond the typical ANSI. If I'm missing something obvious, please let me know and I'll add it in ASAP.

Q. What boards are those in the renders?
A. Polaris and KBD8X MKII.

Q. Are the F13-F24 keys in the function kit really necessary?
A. Yes.
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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:24:27 »
Yes

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:26:40 »
Love it. There's a Leopold vibe to the legend proportions that I really dig.

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:27:02 »
Finally a set with the bottom ろ!

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:28:13 »
Excited for this, can't wait!

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:33:01 »
Count me in :D

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:33:23 »
I'm setting aside money immediately. That function kit is an absolute deal breaker for me, finally being able to have function columns with proper rowing. Accurate legends is a major plus too!
I long for the day when I find a beamspring. (At a not insane price)

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:38:32 »
GB when


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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 19:56:16 »
Very nice, highly interested.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 20:17:57 »
Well that's some entry into keyset design Ai

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 20:30:40 »
vertical functions keys...
Numpad: 1u Enter, "," key

 :eek: ohohohohohohoh


this set match so well with my upcoming board
guess I'm buying everything except ortho...  :-X
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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 21:49:00 »
I'm in, looks great OP. Love the JIS support.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 22:30:42 »
LOVE

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 22:34:06 »
So clean. Definitely in.

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 22:37:14 »
I mean, if I can get like 4 of each stabilized key included in the base set for when they don't fit properly on the stabilizers

P.S... can we get these in GMK instead? :)
« Last Edit: Fri, 31 May 2019, 22:40:45 by pixelpusher »
:)

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 22:51:46 »
I mean, if I can get like 4 of each stabilized key included in the base set for when they don't fit properly on the stabilizers

P.S... can we get these in GMK instead? :)

Sure; if you pay the several hundred thousand dollars for the molds, I'll happily do it for you

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 22:55:18 »
I mean, if I can get like 4 of each stabilized key included in the base set for when they don't fit properly on the stabilizers

P.S... can we get these in GMK instead? :)

Sure; if you pay the several hundred thousand dollars for the molds, I'll happily do it for you

I wish there was some way to fix the darn stabilized keys.  I've got 3 sets of ePBT that I can't use.  They look and feel nice, but I kinda need my space bar to come back up after I press it down :(
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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 23:20:51 »
I mean, if I can get like 4 of each stabilized key included in the base set for when they don't fit properly on the stabilizers

P.S... can we get these in GMK instead? :)

Sure; if you pay the several hundred thousand dollars for the molds, I'll happily do it for you

I wish there was some way to fix the darn stabilized keys.  I've got 3 sets of ePBT that I can't use.  They look and feel nice, but I kinda need my space bar to come back up after I press it down :(

1. Heat spacebar with hairdryer until somewhat pliable
2. Ever so slightly overbend beyond neutral
3. Dunk into cold water or under running water, retaining the shape
4. Dry completely. Enjoy

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 01 June 2019, 00:21:22 »
I really like this!

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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 01 June 2019, 00:22:37 »
Heh, accidental kaomoji.



I'm in. This is the sort of wacky-yet-classic sets that ẸnoyPBT should be known for. Keep it weird!
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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 01 June 2019, 07:20:23 »
Finally JIS support xD

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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 01 June 2019, 09:03:03 »
Do like the keyset! Looking forward to the GB.

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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 01 June 2019, 16:23:02 »
very interested!

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 01 June 2019, 19:53:26 »
I mean, if I can get like 4 of each stabilized key included in the base set for when they don't fit properly on the stabilizers

P.S... can we get these in GMK instead? :)

Sure; if you pay the several hundred thousand dollars for the molds, I'll happily do it for you

I wish there was some way to fix the darn stabilized keys.  I've got 3 sets of ePBT that I can't use.  They look and feel nice, but I kinda need my space bar to come back up after I press it down :(

1. Heat spacebar with hairdryer until somewhat pliable
2. Ever so slightly overbend beyond neutral
3. Dunk into cold water or under running water, retaining the shape
4. Dry completely. Enjoy

The space bars I have from my slate set are all perfectly flat. If you measure from stem to stem they are about ~1mm off.  Flatness isnít the issue for me
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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #26 on: Sat, 01 June 2019, 23:33:07 »
Since this is kind of a JIS support set, is there any chance that we can get a 4.5u spacebar?

Also because I'm not so sure, is the current set fully support a minila air JIS?

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 01 June 2019, 23:39:21 »
Since this is kind of a JIS support set, is there any chance that we can get a 4.5u spacebar?

Also because I'm not so sure, is the current set fully support a minila air JIS?

I'm pretty sure that EnjoyPBT doesn't own all of the molds required for full JIS bottom row.

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 00:32:50 »
Will there be 9009 themed accents to match this color?



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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 05:20:54 »
101% in for this! Looks amazing.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 08:51:55 »
This is really cool.

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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 09:29:49 »
100% in baby!
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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 09:41:57 »
very nice
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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:45:30 »
This set meets so many of my requirements, it's pretty amazing!

To completely work on Filco JIS boards, it's gonna need a 4.5u spacebar: https://imgur.com/a/kBFKi7j

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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 12:02:33 »
Unfortunately I don't think that Enjoy PBT has 4.5u or 2.5u space bars that so many JIS boards use. I wonder if there isn't some other manufacturer they could be sourced from, though.

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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 12:44:20 »
Unfortunately I don't think that Enjoy PBT has 4.5u or 2.5u space bars that so many JIS boards use. I wonder if there isn't some other manufacturer they could be sourced from, though.
Well, maybe they'll see the interest here, and decide to make some? They went ahead and created 3u convex spacebars. Both 2.5u & 4.5u would follow a similar process.

If not then I will go with SA 128K since SP already has the necessary molds for a bottom now - they've done it already for Filco's fullsize and TKL JIS boards. The likleyhood of compatibility is higher, but unfortunately not cherry profile.

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 13:18:10 »
Unfortunately I don't think that Enjoy PBT has 4.5u or 2.5u space bars that so many JIS boards use. I wonder if there isn't some other manufacturer they could be sourced from, though.
Well, maybe they'll see the interest here, and decide to make some? They went ahead and created 3u convex spacebars. Both 2.5u & 4.5u would follow a similar process.

If not then I will go with SA 128K since SP already has the necessary molds for a bottom now - they've done it already for Filco's fullsize and TKL JIS boards. The likleyhood of compatibility is higher, but unfortunately not cherry profile.

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I imagine, ROI-wise, itíd be a hard sell for them.
The 3.0uís mold exists because the Filco Minila Air is a big hit in various Asian countries, including China.
Itís practically the main reason why every set needs a 3.0u keycap.
Only Japanese folks use JIS, and judging from the recent Tokyo meetup, they donít seem to mind non-JIS layouts.
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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 14:16:41 »
Bookmarked this thread for an hopeful update. I'd buy it.
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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 14:38:58 »
Kind of difficult to pass up, let's get it

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 15:23:43 »
must have

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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 17:06:49 »
Seems like there's enough positive feedback so far to go ahead; I'll tune up the kits and send it into ePBT for a quote.

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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 17:32:09 »
Surely in such a beautiful Japanese Keyset we can't be missing out on JIS Support, can we? There's basically two kinds of JIS You'd actually have to cater to; Realforce JIS (Proper JIS) and HHKB JP (Lots of 1Us)

Here is a picture of a Realforce JIS Board, I'll get accurate key sizes in a little bit.

Meanwhile, here is a picture of a HHKB Type JP, something I know a few people here have with Novatouch stems who would most likely love your set.


Generally you need a 1U backspace, a Yen key on the top row, two 1.25U keys for changing scripts and 4.75U Spacebar (I think) for JIS.

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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 17:45:48 »
this looks awesome, i'm interested

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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 20:00:48 »
Surely in such a beautiful Japanese Keyset we can't be missing out on JIS Support, can we? There's basically two kinds of JIS You'd actually have to cater to; Realforce JIS (Proper JIS) and HHKB JP (Lots of 1Us)

Here is a picture of a Realforce JIS Board, I'll get accurate key sizes in a little bit.
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Meanwhile, here is a picture of a HHKB Type JP, something I know a few people here have with Novatouch stems who would most likely love your set.
Show Image


Generally you need a 1U backspace, a Yen key on the top row, two 1.25U keys for changing scripts and 4.75U Spacebar (I think) for JIS.
This is not a Topre set though?

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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 02 June 2019, 21:30:41 »
Customs occasionally support JIS right shift (GH60, Clueboard, Noxary 268 pcb but not plate - off the top of my head) but much more rarely a bottom row with enough keys for a JIS layout, and the vast majority of mass produced JIS keyboards have spacebars that don't really exist in custom sets (2.5u, 4.5u). To me it makes sense to compromise most on the bottom row for this reason. It appears that there are at least just enough 1u and 1.25u keys though? There aren't enough 1.5u keys for some other Realforce layouts on the other hand.

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« Reply #45 on: Mon, 03 June 2019, 00:29:27 »
Regarding the colours, personally I would prefer a greyish set, there are guite a few beige kits with japanese sublegends already.

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« Reply #46 on: Mon, 03 June 2019, 06:16:07 »
I'd say ai03 is pretty familiar with Japanese keysets.

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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 03 June 2019, 11:06:12 »
Regarding the colours, personally I would prefer a greyish set, there are guite a few beige kits with japanese sublegends already.

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+1 for this. I mean, I'm probably still in even if it ends up beige. But if you look at all the epbt sets out there, like 90% are beige so I'd be down for a more granite/muted look instead.
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Re: [IC] SimpleJA - Vintage-Styled Japanese Keyset
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 03 June 2019, 11:44:33 »
Surely in such a beautiful Japanese Keyset we can't be missing out on JIS Support, can we? There's basically two kinds of JIS You'd actually have to cater to; Realforce JIS (Proper JIS) and HHKB JP (Lots of 1Us)

Here is a picture of a Realforce JIS Board, I'll get accurate key sizes in a little bit.
Show Image

Meanwhile, here is a picture of a HHKB Type JP, something I know a few people here have with Novatouch stems who would most likely love your set.
Show Image


Generally you need a 1U backspace, a Yen key on the top row, two 1.25U keys for changing scripts and 4.75U Spacebar (I think) for JIS.
This is not a Topre set though?

Plenty of people use Novatouch or JTK MX Compatible stems on those boards and wat something that fits into a Japanese aesthetic, it's also more options in terms of split spacebar layouts, I just happened to choose Topre boards because they're what I wanted to show it off on.

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 03 June 2019, 18:34:24 »
Very interested if this stays PBT.