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Offline Esheu2

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The Fallacy

People were calling Alice clones "Falice". Sounded a lot like "Phallus" to me. Friend told me that wasn't a good idea. Fallacy it is.


Group Buy Date: January 25th, 2020. 5PM PST.
GB Post: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104300.0

Interest Check Form:
https://forms.gle/9dJJL3cx34cppmsu7

Prototype Pictures



Buy Details
To make the buy more manageable for me, there will be 50 units. Limit one per person. FCFS

Features
  • Top Mount
  • Anodized 5052 Aluminum for the Top and Bottom Case
  • Sandblasted Brass Weight
  • 6.5 Degree Typing Angle
  • 16.5mm Front Typing Height
  • USB Mini port
  • PCB Compatible With QMK
  • PCB features flex cuts
  • Brass weight spans the entirety of the alpha cluster
  • Side cutouts for grip

I chose to go with a relatively low typing angle at 6.5 degrees and front lip height of 16.5mm for my own comfort. I have found that my preferred range for typing angles is between 5 degrees and 7.5 degrees.
Any lower feels awkward. Any higher results in strain on my wrists. Similarly, a typing height of over 20mm results in my wrists losing contact with my desk, forcing me to keep my hands floating. I find this tiring so I made the typing height as low as possible.

Supported Layouts

Will have standard Alice supported layouts
  • Split/normal backspace
  • Split/normal right shift
  • Stepped/normal capslock

Plate

The plate will be the standard 1.5mm thickness. It will be compatible with the standard Alice plate.
There will be a few choices for plate material:
  • Aluminum
  • Brass
  • POM Plastic

PCB
  • QMK Compatible
  • USB Mini port
  • Flex Cuts

Designed by Trifelife

The board is also able to accept standard Alice PCBs if you already have those on hand.

Weight
  • "Fallacy" engraving
  • Sandblasted
  • Internally secured by screws
  • Alpha cluster has brass under it for acoustics

GIF of weight:https://i.imgur.com/yXv2Cm0.mp4

I enjoy patina so there will be no coating added. End users can apply a layer of wax or something if they would like to prevent patina from forming.





Colors
  • Black
  • Silver
  • Navy
  • Pink

Price (not inclusive of any shipping or fees):
$420 for top + bottom + weight + PCB + POM/Alu plate (+$15 for brass)
$50 for additional PCB
$30 for additional POM or Aluminum plate
$45 for additional Brass plate

FAQ

Q: Polycarbonate?
A: No.

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More Information and Updates

Discord Server Invite: https://discord.gg/pYVsseU
Please join the Discord server and subscribe to the !fallacy role if you would like to get updates on the project as soon as possible.

Special Thanks

Choobies, Trifelife, Exfinite (Vov), and Warren for helping me prototype and giving me feedback.
Trifelife for designing the PCB.
Yuktsi for open sourcing his Alice files and giving me the okay to manufacture this keyboard.
« Last Edit: Mon, 20 January 2020, 19:00:58 by Sinapanis »
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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 00:57:38 »
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Offline XtReeM1337n355

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 00:58:22 »
I think you might need to check your discord link again. Also, would you consider a USB C port instead of mini?

Offline Esheu2

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 01:01:31 »
I think you might need to check your discord link again. Also, would you consider a USB C port instead of mini?

Fixed I think. Thanks!

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Offline octix

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 01:06:53 »
Definitely interested!


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Offline LXVRGS

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 01:10:23 »
id lose the weight engraving personally

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 01:16:32 »
id lose the weight engraving personally

Same, not a fan of the text.

Offline FinalEleven

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 01:23:33 »
I am totally in.

Not too fond of the font for the weight engraving though.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 01:37:34 »
Great to finally see something fresh, new and exciting.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 04:59:28 »
oh wow
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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 06:32:37 »
Forget the IC!!!! Lets goooooooooooooo XD omgarddddddddd X3
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Offline CrazyNun

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 07:08:24 »
Would love to see this in white

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 07:15:31 »
Can one use the PCB this has for a regular Alice?

Offline Solotov

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 07:32:25 »
+1 for the new design of the weight if possible  :thumb:
Flex is love, flex is life.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 07:44:05 »
Oooo yeeeees


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Offline adxlk

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 07:58:21 »
Can one use the PCB this has for a regular Alice?

Yeah,
Quote
The board is also able to accept standard Alice PCBs if you already have those on hand.

Offline Vigrith

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 08:42:16 »
Great to finally see something fresh, new and exciting.

LOL

Offline lolafineday

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 08:55:17 »
Great to finally see something fresh, new and exciting.

LOL
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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 09:05:17 »
You got me at Blue Gray

Offline DukeEsquire

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 09:32:29 »
Would love to see people do at least something different with these Alice clones.

I guess itís easier to just use the files without changing anything.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 10:10:06 »
Would love to see people do at least something different with these Alice clones.

I guess itís easier to just use the files without changing anything.

Check out the Majaphit or the EM7 in that case. People like the original look of the Alice, I see TKLs looking the same everyday but there's not an outcry about that.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 10:12:42 »
Question now;
Unlimited GB?

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 10:19:30 »
this looks nice, but I do hope you got permission from Yuktsi to run this. good luck!

edit: nvm, saw the last line.

Offline nickaster1

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 10:27:52 »
That weight is super nice!

Offline Aevyn

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 11:02:12 »
"Similarly, a typing height of over 20mm results in my wrists losing contact with my desk, forcing me to keep my hands floating."

SMH. Proper typing means your wrists should be floating. And for that reason, I'm out.

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Offline Aevyn

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 11:06:47 »
Would love to see people do at least something different with these Alice clones.

I guess itís easier to just use the files without changing anything.

Check out the Majaphit or the EM7 in that case. People like the original look of the Alice, I see TKLs looking the same everyday but there's not an outcry about that.
There should be outcry about TKLs being boring af. Same ol' boring Alice. I appreciate the idea with the flex cuts. Not sure how helpful it is on only two rows. Also like the idea of the weight expanding whole alpha cluster.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 11:29:31 »
Would love to see people do at least something different with these Alice clones.

I guess itís easier to just use the files without changing anything.

Check out the Majaphit or the EM7 in that case. People like the original look of the Alice, I see TKLs looking the same everyday but there's not an outcry about that.

1. There should be. Iíve certainly brought it up.

2. There is a difference between similar TKLs and literally using the same files.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 11:32:37 »
Interested 100%
hbcp

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 12:04:10 »
Looks pretty damn good. If I were in the market for another Alice riff, I'd be looking at this one.

Offline AlcoholEnthusiast

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 13:27:19 »
Don't love the font engraving. Also don't love not offering coating for the brass weight. You might like patina, which is fine. But many others don't. Having a clear coat option or something similar shouldn't be too hard to add for people who want it.

Offline lolafineday

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 13:50:59 »
How many units will be avail?

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 14:40:14 »
I think you might need to check your discord link again. Also, would you consider a USB C port instead of mini?
+1

Offline Esheu2

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 16:02:44 »
Can one use the PCB this has for a regular Alice?

It is compatible with standard Alice PCB's as well.

Would love to see this in white

Unfortunately, it is not possible to anodize aluminum white. And, at least for now, I will not be looking into e-coating. So, no white for now. Sorry!

Would love to see people do at least something different with these Alice clones.

I guess itís easier to just use the files without changing anything.

There are design differences from the Fallacy and the Alice. It sounds more like you want a completely different board/layout. And if that is the case, then I understand that this is not something that is for you.

I think you might need to check your discord link again. Also, would you consider a USB C port instead of mini?
+1

No USB C for this. I want to retain compatibility for what is now the "standard" for Alice PCBs. I might have added USB C compatibility if the Project Keyboard Alice PCB USB C variant had a top mounted port instead of a bottom mounted port. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

How many units will be avail?

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~50

"Similarly, a typing height of over 20mm results in my wrists losing contact with my desk, forcing me to keep my hands floating."

SMH. Proper typing means your wrists should be floating. And for that reason, I'm out.

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I never claimed to have "proper" typing. If you have any feedback for the design rather than my typing, you can feel free to voice that instead. And no, "ree another alice" is not feedback. An Alice layout is fundamentally what this board is. If you do not like or want that, you do not have to give this IC anymore of your attention.
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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 16:05:00 »
Would love to see people do at least something different with these Alice clones.

I guess itís easier to just use the files without changing anything.

Check out the Majaphit or the EM7 in that case. People like the original look of the Alice, I see TKLs looking the same everyday but there's not an outcry about that.

1. There should be. Iíve certainly brought it up.

2. There is a difference between similar TKLs and literally using the same files.

I agree there should be more differences with the TKL but there isn't quite a lot you can with with 84-87 keys with a classic top face without it looking like a monster overall exception of F13  ^-^ I don't design boards but I do appreciate a classic style

and to be fair, the top piece may be the same but the original Alice case doesn't have a wedge cutout, and if Yuktsi gave him the OK I don't see an issue with him wanting to run something like this for people who want it. We see it with key sets all the time that look stupid similar but doesn't seem to bother people.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 16:31:18 »
That pink looks amazing, I really want a pink Alice like board after seeing it in the LA meetup yesterday.


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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 17:58:24 »
Please include compatibility for top mount usb c for future proof and for me as I have some usb c pcbs

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 18:09:58 »
Please include compatibility for top mount usb c for future proof and for me as I have some usb c pcbs

Wait are there top mount USB C Alice PCBs being publicly made?
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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 21:41:46 »
def in for one. hoping for optional name on the weight as i am not a fan of the font either. i am sure with as many people have said that, there will be a resolution. with that said i am forsure in for atleast one!

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 22:43:08 »
100% in. Hopefully I'll get in.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 23:36:32 »
Can you add an arrow cluster?
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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 23:48:45 »
Very neat Alice adaptation.

I think the weight corner radius looks a bit "fat" compared to the tight corner of the case.

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EDIT: agree with above statements. The weight engraving doesn't do this board any favors.
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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 00:05:33 »
Please include compatibility for top mount usb c for future proof and for me as I have some usb c pcbs

Wait are there top mount USB C Alice PCBs being publicly made?

HomerowCo's Lubrigante uses a top mount USB C PCB, but unsure of the availability of those going forward.

Offline Esheu2

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 00:58:23 »
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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 01:16:37 »
Please include compatibility for top mount usb c for future proof and for me as I have some usb c pcbs

Wait are there top mount USB C Alice PCBs being publicly made?
No but I joined a private gb for some

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 08:40:45 »
Let the haters hate, and the thread crappers spread their crap. Even with that, your ~50 units will be sold out in no time.

In for one, hoping to get 2.

Also, suggestion for the script for the bottom weight logo is attached.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 09:26:46 »
I just pre-ordered 2 of the "ALICE PCB REV2" (USB-C) and 1 POM plate and 1 fiberglass plate. Will your case fit any of those?

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 09:49:59 »
I just pre-ordered 2 of the "ALICE PCB REV2" (USB-C) and 1 POM plate and 1 fiberglass plate. Will your case fit any of those?

No, the PCB you ordered has the USB port on the component side (bottom) of the PCB while this case supports the original Alice PCB with it on the top.

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 09:54:05 »
No, the PCB you ordered has the USB port on the component side (bottom) of the PCB while this case supports the original Alice PCB with it on the top.

 :(

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 12:03:30 »
Let the haters hate, and the thread crappers spread their crap. Even with that, your ~50 units will be sold out in no time.

In for one, hoping to get 2.

Also, suggestion for the script for the bottom weight logo is attached.

(Attachment Link)

Bruh, just keep it to one

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Re: Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 12:18:49 »
Hope to see the price for this go down, especially if we have to provide our own PCB. Here is what the original Alice went for: "$463 for case + plate + weight + PCB (Pre-soldered with controller parts, LED's resistors, and diodess)". Cheers!