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Offline katotaka

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Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 14:42:20 »
First of all please take a look at my previous creation: ApexPAD - FPS game optimized mechanical keypad......... and yeah, you guessed it, Apex Legends.

It is still serving its purpose very well to this day, I would still want some QoL improvements.

Since desk space is limited I would need to change from my main TKL(and numpad) every time I play FPS games, sometimes I would type but I couldn't if I'm not on Discord with my mates, plus changing keyboard wears out USB ports and cables, USB-C is durable but still...

Games aside, I'm leaning towards split ortho for the comfort it brings, but still want the utility of traditional layout when I work on other stuff, hotkeys of Photoshop, numpad for CAD etc.
......and I'm greedy, I'd want all that while still maintain about the size of TKL, so it inevitably borrows part of CP layout to be the do-it-all board.

While I was messing with KLE, I saw this post, oh yeah I'm totally copying it inspired ;D
All caps should be found in common keycap sets, or at least obtainable inexpensively.

So here it is:
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If my calculations are right the only non-common-104 caps are the 1.75 Shift, 1.5 Ctrl's and Alt's, but sort of common on newer keycap sets.

Case gotta be the same THICC CF plate with 3D printed top and bottom, in CF infused material as before.
Handwired using Postage board mini (didn't count but I think I have enough pins)

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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 16:47:08 »
some similar, some staggered, some otrho... but none with numpad
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similar idea for split columnar staggered AEKII
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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 17 December 2019, 12:18:12 »
So this is the slightly modified layout for compactness and a bit better aesthetic.
Matrix uses 23 pins so I have two to spare (RGB? Caps/Num lock?)
CAD design next.
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Offline katotaka

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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 18 December 2019, 23:38:58 »
Playing with plate / case design, since built-in palm rest felt so nice I gotta do it again.


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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 19 December 2019, 11:28:23 »
That case is looking cool. Do those joints articulate for adjustable tenting?

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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 19 December 2019, 13:18:28 »
That case is looking cool. Do those joints articulate for adjustable tenting?

nope, for this project I'm building a single board
but at some stage I thought about making a right part to pair with the keypad

the top parts are cut into pieces to fit inside my 3D printer, decided to give them some style

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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 08:02:12 »
Worked on the design some more, basically a T H I C C carbon fiber plate sandwiched between 3DP pieces, mounted with LOTS of screws and nuts :p
Thought about skipping the nuts and use heat set thread inserts, but that could be decided later
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Also played around with tented concept, looks comfortable but might actually introduce some issue in use, like reaching a shortcut on the right side with left hand.
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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 09 February 2020, 13:44:33 »
"2D Printed" the plate layout to see if my fingers like it, surprised it get as big as current TKL+NP setup
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Left half compared to ApexPAD
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small test piece to fit plate mounted stab on THICC plate, gotta get 3mm thick carbon fiber plate CNC'd
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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 07:04:26 »
Looking good :thumb:

If you're looking for input I'd probably swap the 1.5 ctrl and alt for standard 1.25s to save you needing an extra kit for two caps in some sets, would also make it a straighter edge down the left side to better match the right.  You might even be able to take the extra point out to make the case sides the same?  Though maybe you need a bolt there...

Just thinking out loud and aesthetics are personal so if you like the stagger and asymmetrical look go for it.
                               
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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 15:48:27 »
That's a neat idea; it needs a name related to plate tectonics.

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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 15:55:16 »
name.... platonic.
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Offline katotaka

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Re: Layout experiment: Ortho/Angled halves/CP...... thing?
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 04:36:54 »
Looking good :thumb:

If you're looking for input I'd probably swap the 1.5 ctrl and alt for standard 1.25s to save you needing an extra kit for two caps in some sets, would also make it a straighter edge down the left side to better match the right.  You might even be able to take the extra point out to make the case sides the same?  Though maybe you need a bolt there...

Just thinking out loud and aesthetics are personal so if you like the stagger and asymmetrical look go for it.

You're right, this layout might need does need extra caps in some sets but I made sure they're common enough, if I did the math right the only non-standard 104 caps are:
1.5 Ctrl
1.5 Alt
1.75 Shift
1.0 numpad 0
but they exist in most recent sets to cover WKL and 65/75/1800 layouts, so I think those will be fine
BTW, the 2.0 NP0 and 2.75 Shift can be replaced by less common mini space bars

About the left Ctrl position:
Some people push Ctrl playing FPS games by laying the "base" of the small finger (instead of tapping with the tip) on a standard 104 layout, I'm one of those people and I found the staggered Ctrl helps on an ortho position since I don't have to twist my wrist, plus its current position mimics the distance and position from WASD on a standard 104.


The current case design gives me vibes of devices in dystopia cyberpunk movies and I kinda dig it ;D
Another reason is the case cover has to be chopped to fit my 3D printer, I might as well just go wild and give it some style, while the CF plate will be outsourced to a CNC vendor.
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