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Offline Zephyraeon

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[IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:03:47 »
Delftware
Based on porcelain art (just another blue and white keycap set)


This set will hopefully run in PBT to allow for a huge base kit without having a high cost.
This set is still in early stages of design, there are still a few things I'd like to get some opinions on:
  • Modifier legends
  • Sublegends or basic alphas
  • Determining novelties
  • If sublegends, designing Delftware themed sublegends

IC form, please fill out!

Here are some renders I have so far (thanks Kingk22!):

Delftware sublegend examples:


The remaining renders do not have sublegends, the sublegends will be added to all alphas and the number row for the final set. Please look at the kits for compatibility only. If there's interest we may add a kit with plain alphas.

Kits:
Tableware kit (base)

Supports most 40%, alice, 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL keyboards with basic ISO support

Tile kit (numpad)

For those of you that need a numpad

Cobalt oxide kit (accent)

To make everything else more interesting

Board renders:
More
RAMA Koyu


TGR Jane



What's left to do?
  • Finalise white/blue colours
  • Finalise kits
  • Finalise novelties/sublegends
  • Find vendors
  • Determine pricing
  • Schedule GB

Thanks again to Kingk22 for renders and emotional support, and Agilr for feedback on the design.

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« Last Edit: Thu, 13 February 2020, 03:50:29 by Zephyraeon »

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:05:00 »
Nice one Zeph, big fan of this kit breakdown. Really like the little detail sublegends too!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:13:26 »
A E S T H E T I C

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:45:13 »
FORTIES. IN. BASE. LEEEGOOO

Talk it up with Infinikey.
 Recent got my 40s in from there and it's lookin' good.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:47:56 »
My late mother loved colors relative to her interior decorating and would have adored custom keysets and boards. Hard to say what would've been endgame for her, but this mightve been it.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 18:32:47 »
Sub legends would be amazing, def interested

Offline Agilr

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 18:38:20 »
This is it.

Was a pleasure working with you, and to see what it has become with the unique subs really defines the set for me and makes it something I have to get. :eek:

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 18:53:37 »
Absolutely gorgeous

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 20:15:32 »
Looks great. Kind of a big fan of functional sublegends though. Will have to see more renders.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 20:26:18 »
very naise

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 20:26:30 »
Nice inspiration. I'm a fan of black wedgewood jasperware.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 22:31:16 »


stop using discordcdn images please for the love of everything sacred

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 00:53:14 »
i like this. could be nice if there's another lighter blue accent color to show the nuances in the blues. i like the idea of icon sublegends :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 10:05:19 »
Definitely interested

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 10:08:02 »
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stop using discordcdn images please for the love of everything sacred

You taught me to always move my pics to a imgur album!  hahaha

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 12:42:33 »
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stop using discordcdn images please for the love of everything sacred

You taught me to always move my pics to a imgur album!  hahaha

and i appreciates you for it.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 17:37:49 »
I'm 100% in for at least two sets.  I was contemplating learning about GBs this year and trying to run "gmk blue danube" because it's my mom's favorite china.  This removes any amount of effort I have to invest :)

My only thoughts are the blue looks wrong.  I'm using a pixelbook chromebook so maybe the color reproduction of the screen is poor.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 17:40:25 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods? 
« Last Edit: Wed, 29 January 2020, 17:51:37 by pixelpusher »

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 17:54:34 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?

yes

Offline Quinella

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 20:04:06 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?

looks closer to gmk rudy to me

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 22:51:50 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?

looks closer to gmk rudy to me

really? i see more demon sword

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 04:50:24 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?

looks closer to gmk rudy to me

really? i see more demon sword

let's be real, it's just a blue olivia clone

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 04:55:56 »
Compatibility is hard to assess without knowing which PBT manufacturer you're going for (EPBT, Infinikey?), but I like where you're going with this.

If you're going for EPBT then personally I'd ask for an international kit so I could have proper UK legends - child kits essentially have a MOQ of 1 for EPBT (base has MOQ of 200).

If you're going for Infinikey then TKC already has kits in place that designers have to use (though they can add others, as long as it's something TKC is willing to buy out - child kits have a MOQ of 300 for Infinikey, making them basically impossible without help).

The colourway here is really nice, and as a die-hard PBT fan, I'd be interested in picking this up.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 20:56:02 »
I feel like this may benefit from sublegends or something similar, as a way of adding more blue to the set without overpowering. Maybe dutch sublegends if that's a thing.

Offline Zephyraeon

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 01 February 2020, 13:56:21 »
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stop using discordcdn images please for the love of everything sacred

The existing renders are a bit old and need some tweaks, I'll make sure to move everything to imgur when I get new renders. Thanks for pointing this out.

I feel like this may benefit from sublegends or something similar, as a way of adding more blue to the set without overpowering. Maybe dutch sublegends if that's a thing.

The idea of the set was to design unique sublegends for every key, the first render was an example of the first three sublegends I designed. I've got another ~40 unique sublegends that I'm in the process of creating. I'm going to get new renders done with unique sublegends on all alphas, and with limited sublegends (like with CRP tulip for example) based on feedback from the IC.

I'm 100% in for at least two sets.  I was contemplating learning about GBs this year and trying to run "gmk blue danube" because it's my mom's favorite china.  This removes any amount of effort I have to invest :)

My only thoughts are the blue looks wrong.  I'm using a pixelbook chromebook so maybe the color reproduction of the screen is poor.

These colours are not final. I was originally looking to design a GMK set based on Mercy from Overwatch but then Classic Blue was announced and I decided to find new inspiration. I've already looked at a RAL colour deck and couldn't find a blue I was happy with, so I've ordered a pantone colour deck and will find some new colour options for the refreshed renders. The white will be different too - these renders have WS1 white but PBT white is closer in colour to WS2.

If you're going for EPBT then personally I'd ask for an international kit so I could have proper UK legends - child kits essentially have a MOQ of 1 for EPBT (base has MOQ of 200).

If you're going for Infinikey then TKC already has kits in place that designers have to use (though they can add others, as long as it's something TKC is willing to buy out - child kits have a MOQ of 300 for Infinikey, making them basically impossible without help).

Wasn't aware of the different MOQ for each - thanks for the info. If I go with ePBT an international kit would be on the cards. Maybe I could also add a colevrak+ kit :)

Also as another note, Agilr pointed out my 40s compatibility was lacking so I'll be adding the following keys to the base kit (to be reflected in new renders):
  • R2 1u Tab
  • R3 1u Esc
  • R2 1u Enter

This is making the base kit fairly bloated - if the pricing for base turns out being too high, I'll create a 40s kit instead of having it in base.

Novelties kit also incoming. Stay tuned! And thank you to everyone that's filled out the IC form, your suggestions have been very helpful :)

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 04 February 2020, 03:15:42 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?
Yes, plus PBT.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 10 February 2020, 13:48:11 »
Just registered to say it's beautiful one. I love that Russian style https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gzhel, so hope to see something similar.
Looking forward to see final renders.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 11 February 2020, 00:18:21 »
I'd buy just those QWE accent keys in GMK, in the same colors as the Classic Blue set that will run soon.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 12 February 2020, 08:03:23 »
Yes, b1g fan of your work !

+1 for PBT set

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 12 February 2020, 19:06:33 »
Love this.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 04:03:13 »
Small update - will have updated kit renders in the next week or two. I'm waiting on my pantone deck (ETA 24 Feb) to arrive to settle on a final blue. Pantone 293C has been used for the renders so far, will see how it looks in person and try a few colours. I've also updated the images in the first post to use imgur instead of copying the link straight from Discord.

I've finished designing 27 unique sublegends. In order to fill all 47 alpha keys I'll be reusing/flipping/rotating some of these. Here's a little spoiler of what's to come:



Novelties kit is coming! Thanks everyone for your novelty ideas. Based on the suggestions I've received and some research, I have a kit planned which will be added to the main post when the rest of the renders are refreshed.

I'll also be adding an alphas kit where only some keys have sublegends to give everyone a choice of how busy they want their keycaps to look.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 04:59:42 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 05:52:45 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?
The kit currently uses partial ISO UK support - having both as pipe would be an example of ISO US support (the r4 key can also be <>).

The partial ISO UK support, while not an official ISO standard by any means, is a very common compromise in the community.

An article covering this well was written by depletedvespene.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 17:00:47 »
From what it looks like, you nailed it with these sublegends, beautiful!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 22:35:44 »
 :thumb:

Just elegant and beautiful !

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 04:43:39 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?
The kit currently uses partial ISO UK support - having both as pipe would be an example of ISO US support (the r4 key can also be <>).

The partial ISO UK support, while not an official ISO standard by any means, is a very common compromise in the community.

An article covering this well was written by depletedvespene.

Kinda agree, but weird compromise to see no R3 pipe and a 1U tab in the base kit.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 04:46:43 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?
The kit currently uses partial ISO UK support - having both as pipe would be an example of ISO US support (the r4 key can also be <>).

The partial ISO UK support, while not an official ISO standard by any means, is a very common compromise in the community.

An article covering this well was written by depletedvespene.

Kinda agree, but weird compromise to see no R3 pipe and a 1U tab in the base kit.
Not really - if the goal is physical coverage, then the base already covers ISO. The 1u tab is for ortho coverage.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 05:25:23 »
I'd buy just those QWE accent keys in GMK, in the same colors as the Classic Blue set that will run soon.

this! interested if it was GMK (V4 color) ;)
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 07:20:52 »
I kinda dig this aesthetic, I remember my Nana & Great Aunt used to collect the **** out of fine China that had that white & blue look. I think it's gonna have to be a PBT set with the custom sublegends, I mean you could go ABS doubleshot, but the MOQ & pricing would probably be way through the roof. Anyways I'll be keeping an eye on this one as I need to get some more PBT sets with better coverage than the 117 key old school ePBT sets I have.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 10:19:44 »
I'd buy just those QWE accent keys in GMK, in the same colors as the Classic Blue set that will run soon.

this! interested if it was GMK (V4 color) ;)

Yup exactly, V4 GMK.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 12:37:24 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?
The kit currently uses partial ISO UK support - having both as pipe would be an example of ISO US support (the r4 key can also be <>).

The partial ISO UK support, while not an official ISO standard by any means, is a very common compromise in the community.

An article covering this well was written by depletedvespene.

Kinda agree, but weird compromise to see no R3 pipe and a 1U tab in the base kit.

I'm not an ISO user so I've used other light ISO compatibility kits to determine what keys to include. If you would like more ISO compat, please let me know what keys you'd like, and I'll see what I can do. Ultimately it comes down to kit pricing when I decide on a manufacturer.

I'd buy just those QWE accent keys in GMK, in the same colors as the Classic Blue set that will run soon.

this! interested if it was GMK (V4 color) ;)

Yup exactly, V4 GMK.

It's unlikely this will be made with doubleshot ABS due to the high costs of each sublegend, and even if it was I will not be running with V4 blue. The V4 blue is nowhere near the right blue for Delftware - I'll show some colour comparisons to pantones when I do my render update. If you're looking for an all white with V4 blue set, maybe ask the Classic Blue GB runner if they will add a second mod kit.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 00:44:56 »
Small update - will have updated kit renders in the next week or two. I'm waiting on my pantone deck (ETA 24 Feb) to arrive to settle on a final blue. Pantone 293C has been used for the renders so far, will see how it looks in person and try a few colours. I've also updated the images in the first post to use imgur instead of copying the link straight from Discord.

I've finished designing 27 unique sublegends. In order to fill all 47 alpha keys I'll be reusing/flipping/rotating some of these. Here's a little spoiler of what's to come:

Show Image


Novelties kit is coming! Thanks everyone for your novelty ideas. Based on the suggestions I've received and some research, I have a kit planned which will be added to the main post when the rest of the renders are refreshed.

I'll also be adding an alphas kit where only some keys have sublegends to give everyone a choice of how busy they want their keycaps to look.

Since you already have 27 sublegends, I think an alphas kit or base with only the alphabets having sublegends would be nice. A more consistent look with all alphas having 2 legends and none with 3.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #42 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 00:48:54 »
PBT would be perfect for this in terms of cost, viability, durability, everything... — except — the smoother texture of ABS would, I think, be a better match for the theme you're going for here.

That said, PBT is still the better option.


Edit: By the way, you should move the R1 End and PgDn keys to the numpad kit, as those keys aren't useful whatsoever without a numpad (they can usually be found on 1800, CP, 96-key and similar layouts, above the numpad).
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #43 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 01:49:25 »
Small update - will have updated kit renders in the next week or two. I'm waiting on my pantone deck (ETA 24 Feb) to arrive to settle on a final blue. Pantone 293C has been used for the renders so far, will see how it looks in person and try a few colours. I've also updated the images in the first post to use imgur instead of copying the link straight from Discord.

I've finished designing 27 unique sublegends. In order to fill all 47 alpha keys I'll be reusing/flipping/rotating some of these. Here's a little spoiler of what's to come:

Show Image


Novelties kit is coming! Thanks everyone for your novelty ideas. Based on the suggestions I've received and some research, I have a kit planned which will be added to the main post when the rest of the renders are refreshed.

I'll also be adding an alphas kit where only some keys have sublegends to give everyone a choice of how busy they want their keycaps to look.
Just do that cool sublegends for Latin legends

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 01:50:46 »
this is a very creative idea and i like it a lot
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 00:26:53 »
Any updates on this?

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 03:15:08 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 04:26:57 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

Excited to see them, thanks for replying!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 04:50:16 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

You've gone above and beyond so far with the designs Zeph.

 this is such an extremely gorgeous set its so hard to not pass on it

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 04:51:02 »
Really digging it with the sub legends.

And considering my girlfriends fondness (and absurd collection of) fine china, I think she may actually not shake her head at this purchase!