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Offline Zephyraeon

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[IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:03:47 »
Delftware
Based on porcelain art (just another blue and white keycap set)


Delftware is a set based on old porcelain artwork, painted by hand, the font and sublegends have all been chosen in order to make a set that looks refined but a little bit imperfect. I picked the theme a) because porcelain stuff is really cool if you think about the effort that goes into making it, and b) because blue and white are super awesome colours which look great together (see every other blue and white keycap set ever made). The sublegends and novelties were all designed being heavily based on actual porcelain artwork, in order to fit the theme better. The fonts were selected to look hand painted (like the authenticity stamps and signatures you find underneath delftware).

This set will run in PBT (factory still TBD) to allow for a huge base kit without having a high cost.

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Big thanks to Kingk22 for all the renders and general support.



Colours


These have changed slightly to fit closer with the Delftware theme, I've got a physical Pantone deck + GMK caps and will be ordering pantone plastic chips to send to the factory along with WS2 keycaps for accurate colour matching.



Kits:
Base kit

Supports most 40%, ortho, alice, 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL keyboards with basic ISO support

Numpad

For those of you that need a numpad

Accent kit

To make it pop a little more

Novelties kit

To make add some more character to your boards

Board renders:
Constellation






More board renders coming soon


What's left to do?
  • Order Pantone chip
  • Decide on factory
  • Find vendors
  • Determine pricing
  • Schedule GB

Big thank you to all that have helped,  Kingk22 (again) for renders and emotional support, Agilr for feedback on the design and colour matching, Would for advice on typography and fonts, Gok for advice on designing a dyesub keycap set and general design tips, Peaches for emotional support, and the Finder Works and NZ discord groups and IC form fillers for general feedback. Couldn't have done it without you guys <3

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:05:00 »
Nice one Zeph, big fan of this kit breakdown. Really like the little detail sublegends too!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:13:26 »
A E S T H E T I C

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:45:13 »
FORTIES. IN. BASE. LEEEGOOO

Talk it up with Infinikey.
 Recent got my 40s in from there and it's lookin' good.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 16:47:56 »
My late mother loved colors relative to her interior decorating and would have adored custom keysets and boards. Hard to say what would've been endgame for her, but this mightve been it.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 18:32:47 »
Sub legends would be amazing, def interested

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 18:38:20 »
This is it.

Was a pleasure working with you, and to see what it has become with the unique subs really defines the set for me and makes it something I have to get. :eek:

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 18:53:37 »
Absolutely gorgeous

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 20:15:32 »
Looks great. Kind of a big fan of functional sublegends though. Will have to see more renders.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 20:26:18 »
very naise
keyboards are kinda cool i guess

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 20:26:30 »
Nice inspiration. I'm a fan of black wedgewood jasperware.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 22:31:16 »


stop using discordcdn images please for the love of everything sacred

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 00:53:14 »
i like this. could be nice if there's another lighter blue accent color to show the nuances in the blues. i like the idea of icon sublegends :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 10:05:19 »
Definitely interested

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 10:08:02 »
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stop using discordcdn images please for the love of everything sacred

You taught me to always move my pics to a imgur album!  hahaha

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 12:42:33 »
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stop using discordcdn images please for the love of everything sacred

You taught me to always move my pics to a imgur album!  hahaha

and i appreciates you for it.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 17:37:49 »
I'm 100% in for at least two sets.  I was contemplating learning about GBs this year and trying to run "gmk blue danube" because it's my mom's favorite china.  This removes any amount of effort I have to invest :)

My only thoughts are the blue looks wrong.  I'm using a pixelbook chromebook so maybe the color reproduction of the screen is poor.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 17:40:25 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods? 
« Last Edit: Wed, 29 January 2020, 17:51:37 by pixelpusher »

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 17:54:34 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?

yes

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 20:04:06 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?

looks closer to gmk rudy to me

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 22:51:50 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?

looks closer to gmk rudy to me

really? i see more demon sword

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 04:50:24 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?

looks closer to gmk rudy to me

really? i see more demon sword

let's be real, it's just a blue olivia clone

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 04:55:56 »
Compatibility is hard to assess without knowing which PBT manufacturer you're going for (EPBT, Infinikey?), but I like where you're going with this.

If you're going for EPBT then personally I'd ask for an international kit so I could have proper UK legends - child kits essentially have a MOQ of 1 for EPBT (base has MOQ of 200).

If you're going for Infinikey then TKC already has kits in place that designers have to use (though they can add others, as long as it's something TKC is willing to buy out - child kits have a MOQ of 300 for Infinikey, making them basically impossible without help).

The colourway here is really nice, and as a die-hard PBT fan, I'd be interested in picking this up.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 20:56:02 »
I feel like this may benefit from sublegends or something similar, as a way of adding more blue to the set without overpowering. Maybe dutch sublegends if that's a thing.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 01 February 2020, 13:56:21 »
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stop using discordcdn images please for the love of everything sacred

The existing renders are a bit old and need some tweaks, I'll make sure to move everything to imgur when I get new renders. Thanks for pointing this out.

I feel like this may benefit from sublegends or something similar, as a way of adding more blue to the set without overpowering. Maybe dutch sublegends if that's a thing.

The idea of the set was to design unique sublegends for every key, the first render was an example of the first three sublegends I designed. I've got another ~40 unique sublegends that I'm in the process of creating. I'm going to get new renders done with unique sublegends on all alphas, and with limited sublegends (like with CRP tulip for example) based on feedback from the IC.

I'm 100% in for at least two sets.  I was contemplating learning about GBs this year and trying to run "gmk blue danube" because it's my mom's favorite china.  This removes any amount of effort I have to invest :)

My only thoughts are the blue looks wrong.  I'm using a pixelbook chromebook so maybe the color reproduction of the screen is poor.

These colours are not final. I was originally looking to design a GMK set based on Mercy from Overwatch but then Classic Blue was announced and I decided to find new inspiration. I've already looked at a RAL colour deck and couldn't find a blue I was happy with, so I've ordered a pantone colour deck and will find some new colour options for the refreshed renders. The white will be different too - these renders have WS1 white but PBT white is closer in colour to WS2.

If you're going for EPBT then personally I'd ask for an international kit so I could have proper UK legends - child kits essentially have a MOQ of 1 for EPBT (base has MOQ of 200).

If you're going for Infinikey then TKC already has kits in place that designers have to use (though they can add others, as long as it's something TKC is willing to buy out - child kits have a MOQ of 300 for Infinikey, making them basically impossible without help).

Wasn't aware of the different MOQ for each - thanks for the info. If I go with ePBT an international kit would be on the cards. Maybe I could also add a colevrak+ kit :)

Also as another note, Agilr pointed out my 40s compatibility was lacking so I'll be adding the following keys to the base kit (to be reflected in new renders):
  • R2 1u Tab
  • R3 1u Esc
  • R2 1u Enter

This is making the base kit fairly bloated - if the pricing for base turns out being too high, I'll create a 40s kit instead of having it in base.

Novelties kit also incoming. Stay tuned! And thank you to everyone that's filled out the IC form, your suggestions have been very helpful :)

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 04 February 2020, 03:15:42 »
How is this different from Classic Blue?  Ever so slightly brighter shade of blue and white mods?
Yes, plus PBT.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 10 February 2020, 13:48:11 »
Just registered to say it's beautiful one. I love that Russian style https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gzhel, so hope to see something similar.
Looking forward to see final renders.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 11 February 2020, 00:18:21 »
I'd buy just those QWE accent keys in GMK, in the same colors as the Classic Blue set that will run soon.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 12 February 2020, 08:03:23 »
Yes, b1g fan of your work !

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 12 February 2020, 19:06:33 »
Love this.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 04:03:13 »
Small update - will have updated kit renders in the next week or two. I'm waiting on my pantone deck (ETA 24 Feb) to arrive to settle on a final blue. Pantone 293C has been used for the renders so far, will see how it looks in person and try a few colours. I've also updated the images in the first post to use imgur instead of copying the link straight from Discord.

I've finished designing 27 unique sublegends. In order to fill all 47 alpha keys I'll be reusing/flipping/rotating some of these. Here's a little spoiler of what's to come:



Novelties kit is coming! Thanks everyone for your novelty ideas. Based on the suggestions I've received and some research, I have a kit planned which will be added to the main post when the rest of the renders are refreshed.

I'll also be adding an alphas kit where only some keys have sublegends to give everyone a choice of how busy they want their keycaps to look.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 04:59:42 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 05:52:45 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?
The kit currently uses partial ISO UK support - having both as pipe would be an example of ISO US support (the r4 key can also be <>).

The partial ISO UK support, while not an official ISO standard by any means, is a very common compromise in the community.

An article covering this well was written by depletedvespene.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 17:00:47 »
From what it looks like, you nailed it with these sublegends, beautiful!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 22:35:44 »
 :thumb:

Just elegant and beautiful !

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 04:43:39 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?
The kit currently uses partial ISO UK support - having both as pipe would be an example of ISO US support (the r4 key can also be <>).

The partial ISO UK support, while not an official ISO standard by any means, is a very common compromise in the community.

An article covering this well was written by depletedvespene.

Kinda agree, but weird compromise to see no R3 pipe and a 1U tab in the base kit.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 04:46:43 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?
The kit currently uses partial ISO UK support - having both as pipe would be an example of ISO US support (the r4 key can also be <>).

The partial ISO UK support, while not an official ISO standard by any means, is a very common compromise in the community.

An article covering this well was written by depletedvespene.

Kinda agree, but weird compromise to see no R3 pipe and a 1U tab in the base kit.
Not really - if the goal is physical coverage, then the base already covers ISO. The 1u tab is for ortho coverage.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 05:25:23 »
I'd buy just those QWE accent keys in GMK, in the same colors as the Classic Blue set that will run soon.

this! interested if it was GMK (V4 color) ;)
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 07:20:52 »
I kinda dig this aesthetic, I remember my Nana & Great Aunt used to collect the **** out of fine China that had that white & blue look. I think it's gonna have to be a PBT set with the custom sublegends, I mean you could go ABS doubleshot, but the MOQ & pricing would probably be way through the roof. Anyways I'll be keeping an eye on this one as I need to get some more PBT sets with better coverage than the 117 key old school ePBT sets I have.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 10:19:44 »
I'd buy just those QWE accent keys in GMK, in the same colors as the Classic Blue set that will run soon.

this! interested if it was GMK (V4 color) ;)

Yup exactly, V4 GMK.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 12:37:24 »
Isn't R3 pipe missing on the ISO base kit for full ISO support?
The kit currently uses partial ISO UK support - having both as pipe would be an example of ISO US support (the r4 key can also be <>).

The partial ISO UK support, while not an official ISO standard by any means, is a very common compromise in the community.

An article covering this well was written by depletedvespene.

Kinda agree, but weird compromise to see no R3 pipe and a 1U tab in the base kit.

I'm not an ISO user so I've used other light ISO compatibility kits to determine what keys to include. If you would like more ISO compat, please let me know what keys you'd like, and I'll see what I can do. Ultimately it comes down to kit pricing when I decide on a manufacturer.

I'd buy just those QWE accent keys in GMK, in the same colors as the Classic Blue set that will run soon.

this! interested if it was GMK (V4 color) ;)

Yup exactly, V4 GMK.

It's unlikely this will be made with doubleshot ABS due to the high costs of each sublegend, and even if it was I will not be running with V4 blue. The V4 blue is nowhere near the right blue for Delftware - I'll show some colour comparisons to pantones when I do my render update. If you're looking for an all white with V4 blue set, maybe ask the Classic Blue GB runner if they will add a second mod kit.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 00:44:56 »
Small update - will have updated kit renders in the next week or two. I'm waiting on my pantone deck (ETA 24 Feb) to arrive to settle on a final blue. Pantone 293C has been used for the renders so far, will see how it looks in person and try a few colours. I've also updated the images in the first post to use imgur instead of copying the link straight from Discord.

I've finished designing 27 unique sublegends. In order to fill all 47 alpha keys I'll be reusing/flipping/rotating some of these. Here's a little spoiler of what's to come:

Show Image


Novelties kit is coming! Thanks everyone for your novelty ideas. Based on the suggestions I've received and some research, I have a kit planned which will be added to the main post when the rest of the renders are refreshed.

I'll also be adding an alphas kit where only some keys have sublegends to give everyone a choice of how busy they want their keycaps to look.

Since you already have 27 sublegends, I think an alphas kit or base with only the alphabets having sublegends would be nice. A more consistent look with all alphas having 2 legends and none with 3.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #42 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 00:48:54 »
PBT would be perfect for this in terms of cost, viability, durability, everything... — except — the smoother texture of ABS would, I think, be a better match for the theme you're going for here.

That said, PBT is still the better option.


Edit: By the way, you should move the R1 End and PgDn keys to the numpad kit, as those keys aren't useful whatsoever without a numpad (they can usually be found on 1800, CP, 96-key and similar layouts, above the numpad).
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #43 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 01:49:25 »
Small update - will have updated kit renders in the next week or two. I'm waiting on my pantone deck (ETA 24 Feb) to arrive to settle on a final blue. Pantone 293C has been used for the renders so far, will see how it looks in person and try a few colours. I've also updated the images in the first post to use imgur instead of copying the link straight from Discord.

I've finished designing 27 unique sublegends. In order to fill all 47 alpha keys I'll be reusing/flipping/rotating some of these. Here's a little spoiler of what's to come:

Show Image


Novelties kit is coming! Thanks everyone for your novelty ideas. Based on the suggestions I've received and some research, I have a kit planned which will be added to the main post when the rest of the renders are refreshed.

I'll also be adding an alphas kit where only some keys have sublegends to give everyone a choice of how busy they want their keycaps to look.
Just do that cool sublegends for Latin legends

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 01:50:46 »
this is a very creative idea and i like it a lot
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 00:26:53 »
Any updates on this?

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 03:15:08 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 04:26:57 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

Excited to see them, thanks for replying!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 04:50:16 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

You've gone above and beyond so far with the designs Zeph.

 this is such an extremely gorgeous set its so hard to not pass on it

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 04:51:02 »
Really digging it with the sub legends.

And considering my girlfriends fondness (and absurd collection of) fine china, I think she may actually not shake her head at this purchase!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 17 March 2020, 19:09:32 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

Small update - I tidied up the sublegends, created the novelties but while waiting for renders I asked Gok and a couple others for feedback and as a result Iíve got a few more things to try to make this set even better. Itís going to take some time to get everything ready so give me a couple more weeks for the big update.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #51 on: Tue, 17 March 2020, 21:40:25 »
forgot how good this looks. an instant purchase.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #52 on: Tue, 21 April 2020, 19:05:50 »
with crp r2.2 coming soon, ~assumingly~ the r2.2/r3 molds have improved and stem twist and crucifix tightness has been tighted up, it would be cool to see delfware done in CRP.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 21 April 2020, 19:08:15 »
Really looking forward to updates on this set. The sublegend tease looks amazing.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 09:36:30 »
This set is classy AF!  I really hope it gets off the ground! :D

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 11:45:02 »
I love how unique this is

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 14:45:15 »
Sub legends would be amazing, def interested

This. Love the idea!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 12 May 2020, 04:02:53 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

Small update - I tidied up the sublegends, created the novelties but while waiting for renders I asked Gok and a couple others for feedback and as a result Iíve got a few more things to try to make this set even better. Itís going to take some time to get everything ready so give me a couple more weeks for the big update.

Sorry to be "that annoying guy", but any updates on this?

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« Reply #58 on: Fri, 15 May 2020, 21:13:31 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

Small update - I tidied up the sublegends, created the novelties but while waiting for renders I asked Gok and a couple others for feedback and as a result Iíve got a few more things to try to make this set even better. Itís going to take some time to get everything ready so give me a couple more weeks for the big update.

Sorry to be "that annoying guy", but any updates on this?

I've got most of the design sorted but I'm stuck on the design for the modifiers which is preventing me from updating the renders/IC post. I have a new font for the alphas which would mismatch with default text legends, but icon mods are too straight/precise to fit with the theme. I'll probably design some new icon or text/icon mods but I haven't had time recently. The IC responses I've had so far also are spread fairly thinly making it hard for me to make a decision.



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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 15 May 2020, 23:43:54 »
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I have a new font for the alphas which would mismatch with default text legends

You're saying text mods would mis-match with the alphas?

Looking at the renders, I personally don't see an issue with icon mods from a theme perspective. IMO, custom icons (that is, icons adapted to a certain style thematic to the set) are almost always a turn-off for me.


EDIT: That said, this set (since it is icon-based to begin with) may be a great opportunity to create custom icon mods that work well. Rooting for you, OP!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 29 May 2020, 01:59:31 »
This set is perfect for my Foxlab Key65.
Hope this IC finally turn into GB.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 29 May 2020, 09:29:41 »
I'm def in on the color and sub legends. Kitting is 10/10, would really like to see something like this come out as CRP.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 16:48:34 »
Text + Icon mods would look the most consistent with the rest of the set, IMO.  Especially if there were some custom icons with them.  Especially if mods were in Dutch.   :cool:

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 06:06:37 »
Still hoping this will go to group buy. At this point I'd even get it without any sublegends. Just love the colours and the fact it will be PBT(?).

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 22 June 2020, 03:53:15 »
I'd get this in an instant if there is a colemak set.

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« Reply #65 on: Mon, 22 June 2020, 04:54:59 »
Still hoping this will go to group buy. At this point I'd even get it without any sublegends. Just love the colours and the fact it will be PBT(?).

I'm still pushing on with this behind the scenes! I was hoping to have my big update ready by now but university exams have delayed things a bit. The assets are almost completed, waiting on renders to finalise everything and then will update here. Things might be progressing a bit slowly but I want to make sure the set turns out as good as it can. Small heads up that the colours will change slightly to reflect the theme better, but it should still look just as good  :thumb:

I'd get this in an instant if there is a colemak set.

After the next render update I'm going to update the IC form to see if there's enough interest in other kits (e.g. colemak++, international ISO, mac), so it could happen.

Text + Icon mods would look the most consistent with the rest of the set, IMO.  Especially if there were some custom icons with them.  Especially if mods were in Dutch.   :cool:

I've drafted up some text + icon mods and just waiting on renders to see how they look as part of the set. Dutch mods would be pretty awesome! I was looking at the layout of keyboards used in the Netherlands but it seemed like they use similar layout to US-ANSI so I didn't investigate further. I'll see if there's interest in something like this when I update the IC form next. Depending on the manufacturer's MOQs I might be able to split out alphas/mods so everyone has a bit more choice in what they get.



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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 22 June 2020, 23:12:12 »
if this isn't dead DM me here on discord (Puddsy#3434) i like this set a lot and want to make it a reality
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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:00:51 »
I've just updated the new post with updated renders, and a new IC form. Please fill the IC form out again - questions are all optional. Mainly hoping to figure out preferences for factory + interest in other kits.

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:06:21 »
Love the full new set of sublegends, but I can't say I'm a fan of the new typeface used for the main legends. It looked a lot cleaner and more refined (to quote the OP) with the regular Cherry / Helvetica Rounded Bold font and icons, in my opinion. The sublegends were sufficient to give it a quirky and playful look; now it just looks weird.
« Last Edit: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:16:20 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:30:48 »
Love the full new set of sublegends, but I can't say I'm a fan of the new typeface used for the main legends. It looked a lot cleaner and more refined (to quote the OP) with the regular Cherry / Helvetica Rounded Bold font and icons, in my opinion. The sublegends were sufficient to give it a quirky and playful look; now it just looks weird.

Thank you for the feedback, if the consensus is to move back to a more 'default' font, I can do that - let me know in the IC form (already got one response stating this).

I'd like to explain why I picked this specific font though - the sublegends I've designed have all come from examples of delftware I've searched through the internet for, and although I was using vector images to mimic these, I've tried to keep them looking a little 'off' to mimic the small deviations that come through when you're handpainting such intricate designs. In order to fit the theme I spent many hours looking through various websites, even trying my hand at designing a new font from scratch, in order to look similar to how the signatures on the bottom looked. I referred to this image constantly:


Instead of trying to go for something completely crazy, I felt using something with a handwritten style that was close to the GMK legends was the way to go, as delftware is handpainted, it felt wrong using such a consistent looking font. I understand with this hobby that consistency is usually king, but in my opinion, this set isn't about being consistent but about the beauty in something that is handmade.

TL;DR: Let me know in the IC form and I will change it back.

Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:35:01 »
I like it as youve got it now but Iíd buy either way. Love it.

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 19:03:10 »
Thank you for the feedback, if the consensus is to move back to a more 'default' font, I can do that - let me know in the IC form (already got one response stating this).

I'd like to explain why I picked this specific font though - the sublegends I've designed have all come from examples of delftware I've searched through the internet for, and although I was using vector images to mimic these, I've tried to keep them looking a little 'off' to mimic the small deviations that come through when you're handpainting such intricate designs. In order to fit the theme I spent many hours looking through various websites, even trying my hand at designing a new font from scratch, in order to look similar to how the signatures on the bottom looked. I referred to this image constantly:
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Instead of trying to go for something completely crazy, I felt using something with a handwritten style that was close to the GMK legends was the way to go, as delftware is handpainted, it felt wrong using such a consistent looking font. I understand with this hobby that consistency is usually king, but in my opinion, this set isn't about being consistent but about the beauty in something that is handmade.

TL;DR: Let me know in the IC form and I will change it back.

Thank you for the explanation. I definitely understand where you're coming from, and why the change makes sense given the inspiration of this set. I also applaud your efforts; creating a typeface is no easy task! You've certainly done a good job of mimicking the hand-painted look of the lettering, so I would say that you've achieved your goal there. Now, of course, this is just one man's opinion, but I believe there's a fine line to be drawn between sticking close to the source material and respecting the aesthetics and conventions of the medium (in this case, Cherry-style plastic keycaps). And in this case, the different overall font crosses that line just slightly.

Again, just my opinion! I think you've done a great job regardless of which style you decide on in the end :)
« Last Edit: Tue, 30 June 2020, 19:05:07 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 19:13:20 »
Thank you for the feedback, if the consensus is to move back to a more 'default' font, I can do that - let me know in the IC form (already got one response stating this).

I'd like to explain why I picked this specific font though - the sublegends I've designed have all come from examples of delftware I've searched through the internet for, and although I was using vector images to mimic these, I've tried to keep them looking a little 'off' to mimic the small deviations that come through when you're handpainting such intricate designs. In order to fit the theme I spent many hours looking through various websites, even trying my hand at designing a new font from scratch, in order to look similar to how the signatures on the bottom looked. I referred to this image constantly:
Show Image


Instead of trying to go for something completely crazy, I felt using something with a handwritten style that was close to the GMK legends was the way to go, as delftware is handpainted, it felt wrong using such a consistent looking font. I understand with this hobby that consistency is usually king, but in my opinion, this set isn't about being consistent but about the beauty in something that is handmade.

TL;DR: Let me know in the IC form and I will change it back.

Thank you for the explanation. I definitely understand where you're coming from, and why the change makes sense given the inspiration of this set. I also applaud your efforts; creating a typeface is no easy task! You've certainly done a good job of mimicking the hand-painted look of the lettering, so I would say that you've achieved your goal there. Now, of course, this is just one man's opinion, but I believe there's a fine line to be drawn between sticking close to the source material and respecting the aesthetics and conventions of the medium (in this case, Cherry-style plastic keycaps). And in this case, the different overall font crosses that line just slightly.

Again, just my opinion! I think you've done a great job regardless of which style you decide on in the end :)

Yeah, I see your point and I'm glad you brought it up. I work in data analytics so if the data says to change back, I will.

Also, wanted to clarify the typefaces in the renders were not designed by me (but I have paid for licensing to use them). I got about 4 letters into my font before I realised what a gargantuan task it was to design a font where every character fits together and decided on another approach.   ;)

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 19:38:44 »
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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 20:25:02 »
.ooooh yes

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 23:56:00 »
The left tab in base looks a bit too busy, with both the icons and the "tab", maybe change sizes or opt for one or the other?

Otherwise, can't wait for the set!

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #76 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 00:03:46 »
I'm more of a darker keycap guy, but this idea is great and the keycaps look awesome!

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 00:17:09 »
Are the old renders still available somewhere for comparison?  I seem to recall liking the previous renders better than the new ones, but it would be easier to judge if I could actually compare them side by side (and I think only the new renders are in the OP now).  Am I misremembering, or were there blue mods or a blue mod kit in the previous set of kits?

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 01:50:26 »
Are the old renders still available somewhere for comparison?  I seem to recall liking the previous renders better than the new ones, but it would be easier to judge if I could actually compare them side by side (and I think only the new renders are in the OP now).  Am I misremembering, or were there blue mods or a blue mod kit in the previous set of kits?

I liked the old ones better too. They were a lighter blue and yes there were blue mods.

Edit: I'm doubting myself now about the blue mods, but I think it makes sense since there are blue mods "leftover" in the new numpad kit.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 09:18:00 »
My only thoughts are the blue looks wrong.  I'm using a pixelbook chromebook so maybe the color reproduction of the screen is poor.
I think the color has changed? because looking at the "big update" the color looks really good now!
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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:10:20 »
This is pure class! Filled out the form; I like both font options. Goding to get all the kits, wish for NorDeUK of course, but can live in pure ANSI or US-ISO land too. Fingers crossed!


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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:49:26 »
Glad to see this is still alive. Absolutely fantastic. Wasnít a fan of the new font upon first glance, but itís growing on me for sure. The sublegends and novelties are amazing!

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #82 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:07:55 »
Super stoked to see this moving forward--this is one of the ICs I'm most excited about right now.  Filled out the form.  I'm on the fence about the new typeface...  I kinda like it on the alphas, but it seems like a bit much on the mods.  Maybe in Dutch it would look better, as Dutch looks weird already.  I also preferred the lighter shade of blue from the previous renders; even if the new shade is technically closer to real ceramics, I think the old shade is closer to my perception of what I think ceramics should look like.  Either way, I'm in for this set!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:46:24 »
Are the old renders still available somewhere for comparison?  I seem to recall liking the previous renders better than the new ones, but it would be easier to judge if I could actually compare them side by side (and I think only the new renders are in the OP now).  Am I misremembering, or were there blue mods or a blue mod kit in the previous set of kits?

I liked the old ones better too. They were a lighter blue and yes there were blue mods.

Edit: I'm doubting myself now about the blue mods, but I think it makes sense since there are blue mods "leftover" in the new numpad kit.

I've taken the older renders down to not cause any confusion (they didn't have the sublegends or anything and yes, the blue has changed). There never was a mods kit, only accent keys (maybe I included too many numpad accent keys... I'm not a numpad user), at the time GMK Classic Blue was in IC and I didn't want to do anything too similar (still got compared to it a lot though lol).

For the blue colour change, I preferred the old one at first glance but after a while it looked a bit over saturated, especially for this theme.

Super stoked to see this moving forward--this is one of the ICs I'm most excited about right now.  Filled out the form.  I'm on the fence about the new typeface...  I kinda like it on the alphas, but it seems like a bit much on the mods.  Maybe in Dutch it would look better, as Dutch looks weird already.  I also preferred the lighter shade of blue from the previous renders; even if the new shade is technically closer to real ceramics, I think the old shade is closer to my perception of what I think ceramics should look like.  Either way, I'm in for this set!  :thumb:

Jury's still out on the typeface (IC form results pretty evenly split), but if I do keep the current typeface I will still be revisiting the mods. I was stuck on them for around a month so just decided to get something done so I could get the new renders out, but most of the feedback I'm getting is that they don't really work.

I'm still leaning towards keeping the new typeface - if people want a PBT blue on white set with a standard typeface they also have ePBT TA Origins to choose. I'll make a final decision shortly, going to post on reddit for the first time sometime in the next few days and will see how the IC form responses are looking then.

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 02 July 2020, 16:14:19 »
2.25u & 2.75u novelty spacebars would be nice!