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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 17 March 2020, 19:09:32 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

Small update - I tidied up the sublegends, created the novelties but while waiting for renders I asked Gok and a couple others for feedback and as a result Iíve got a few more things to try to make this set even better. Itís going to take some time to get everything ready so give me a couple more weeks for the big update.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #51 on: Tue, 17 March 2020, 21:40:25 »
forgot how good this looks. an instant purchase.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #52 on: Tue, 21 April 2020, 19:05:50 »
with crp r2.2 coming soon, ~assumingly~ the r2.2/r3 molds have improved and stem twist and crucifix tightness has been tighted up, it would be cool to see delfware done in CRP.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 21 April 2020, 19:08:15 »
Really looking forward to updates on this set. The sublegend tease looks amazing.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 09:36:30 »
This set is classy AF!  I really hope it gets off the ground! :D

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« Reply #55 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 11:45:02 »
I love how unique this is

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 14:45:15 »
Sub legends would be amazing, def interested

This. Love the idea!

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 12 May 2020, 04:02:53 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

Small update - I tidied up the sublegends, created the novelties but while waiting for renders I asked Gok and a couple others for feedback and as a result Iíve got a few more things to try to make this set even better. Itís going to take some time to get everything ready so give me a couple more weeks for the big update.

Sorry to be "that annoying guy", but any updates on this?

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« Reply #58 on: Fri, 15 May 2020, 21:13:31 »
Any updates on this?

Sorry - got a bit busy IRL. I should have the updated kit renders posted this weekend, assuming all goes well. The pantone deck has arrived and I will be changing the blue - going to wait and see how the renders turn out to confirm this though. Thanks for your patience! :)

Small update - I tidied up the sublegends, created the novelties but while waiting for renders I asked Gok and a couple others for feedback and as a result Iíve got a few more things to try to make this set even better. Itís going to take some time to get everything ready so give me a couple more weeks for the big update.

Sorry to be "that annoying guy", but any updates on this?

I've got most of the design sorted but I'm stuck on the design for the modifiers which is preventing me from updating the renders/IC post. I have a new font for the alphas which would mismatch with default text legends, but icon mods are too straight/precise to fit with the theme. I'll probably design some new icon or text/icon mods but I haven't had time recently. The IC responses I've had so far also are spread fairly thinly making it hard for me to make a decision.



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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 15 May 2020, 23:43:54 »
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I have a new font for the alphas which would mismatch with default text legends

You're saying text mods would mis-match with the alphas?

Looking at the renders, I personally don't see an issue with icon mods from a theme perspective. IMO, custom icons (that is, icons adapted to a certain style thematic to the set) are almost always a turn-off for me.


EDIT: That said, this set (since it is icon-based to begin with) may be a great opportunity to create custom icon mods that work well. Rooting for you, OP!

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 29 May 2020, 01:59:31 »
This set is perfect for my Foxlab Key65.
Hope this IC finally turn into GB.

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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 29 May 2020, 09:29:41 »
I'm def in on the color and sub legends. Kitting is 10/10, would really like to see something like this come out as CRP.
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Re: [IC] PBT(?) Delftware
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 16:48:34 »
Text + Icon mods would look the most consistent with the rest of the set, IMO.  Especially if there were some custom icons with them.  Especially if mods were in Dutch.   :cool:

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« Reply #63 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 06:06:37 »
Still hoping this will go to group buy. At this point I'd even get it without any sublegends. Just love the colours and the fact it will be PBT(?).

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« Reply #64 on: Mon, 22 June 2020, 03:53:15 »
I'd get this in an instant if there is a colemak set.

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« Reply #65 on: Mon, 22 June 2020, 04:54:59 »
Still hoping this will go to group buy. At this point I'd even get it without any sublegends. Just love the colours and the fact it will be PBT(?).

I'm still pushing on with this behind the scenes! I was hoping to have my big update ready by now but university exams have delayed things a bit. The assets are almost completed, waiting on renders to finalise everything and then will update here. Things might be progressing a bit slowly but I want to make sure the set turns out as good as it can. Small heads up that the colours will change slightly to reflect the theme better, but it should still look just as good  :thumb:

I'd get this in an instant if there is a colemak set.

After the next render update I'm going to update the IC form to see if there's enough interest in other kits (e.g. colemak++, international ISO, mac), so it could happen.

Text + Icon mods would look the most consistent with the rest of the set, IMO.  Especially if there were some custom icons with them.  Especially if mods were in Dutch.   :cool:

I've drafted up some text + icon mods and just waiting on renders to see how they look as part of the set. Dutch mods would be pretty awesome! I was looking at the layout of keyboards used in the Netherlands but it seemed like they use similar layout to US-ANSI so I didn't investigate further. I'll see if there's interest in something like this when I update the IC form next. Depending on the manufacturer's MOQs I might be able to split out alphas/mods so everyone has a bit more choice in what they get.



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« Reply #66 on: Mon, 22 June 2020, 23:12:12 »
if this isn't dead DM me here on discord (Puddsy#3434) i like this set a lot and want to make it a reality
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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:00:51 »
I've just updated the new post with updated renders, and a new IC form. Please fill the IC form out again - questions are all optional. Mainly hoping to figure out preferences for factory + interest in other kits.

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:06:21 »
Love the full new set of sublegends, but I can't say I'm a fan of the new typeface used for the main legends. It looked a lot cleaner and more refined (to quote the OP) with the regular Cherry / Helvetica Rounded Bold font and icons, in my opinion. The sublegends were sufficient to give it a quirky and playful look; now it just looks weird.
« Last Edit: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:16:20 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:30:48 »
Love the full new set of sublegends, but I can't say I'm a fan of the new typeface used for the main legends. It looked a lot cleaner and more refined (to quote the OP) with the regular Cherry / Helvetica Rounded Bold font and icons, in my opinion. The sublegends were sufficient to give it a quirky and playful look; now it just looks weird.

Thank you for the feedback, if the consensus is to move back to a more 'default' font, I can do that - let me know in the IC form (already got one response stating this).

I'd like to explain why I picked this specific font though - the sublegends I've designed have all come from examples of delftware I've searched through the internet for, and although I was using vector images to mimic these, I've tried to keep them looking a little 'off' to mimic the small deviations that come through when you're handpainting such intricate designs. In order to fit the theme I spent many hours looking through various websites, even trying my hand at designing a new font from scratch, in order to look similar to how the signatures on the bottom looked. I referred to this image constantly:


Instead of trying to go for something completely crazy, I felt using something with a handwritten style that was close to the GMK legends was the way to go, as delftware is handpainted, it felt wrong using such a consistent looking font. I understand with this hobby that consistency is usually king, but in my opinion, this set isn't about being consistent but about the beauty in something that is handmade.

TL;DR: Let me know in the IC form and I will change it back.

Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:35:01 »
I like it as youve got it now but Iíd buy either way. Love it.

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 19:03:10 »
Thank you for the feedback, if the consensus is to move back to a more 'default' font, I can do that - let me know in the IC form (already got one response stating this).

I'd like to explain why I picked this specific font though - the sublegends I've designed have all come from examples of delftware I've searched through the internet for, and although I was using vector images to mimic these, I've tried to keep them looking a little 'off' to mimic the small deviations that come through when you're handpainting such intricate designs. In order to fit the theme I spent many hours looking through various websites, even trying my hand at designing a new font from scratch, in order to look similar to how the signatures on the bottom looked. I referred to this image constantly:
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Instead of trying to go for something completely crazy, I felt using something with a handwritten style that was close to the GMK legends was the way to go, as delftware is handpainted, it felt wrong using such a consistent looking font. I understand with this hobby that consistency is usually king, but in my opinion, this set isn't about being consistent but about the beauty in something that is handmade.

TL;DR: Let me know in the IC form and I will change it back.

Thank you for the explanation. I definitely understand where you're coming from, and why the change makes sense given the inspiration of this set. I also applaud your efforts; creating a typeface is no easy task! You've certainly done a good job of mimicking the hand-painted look of the lettering, so I would say that you've achieved your goal there. Now, of course, this is just one man's opinion, but I believe there's a fine line to be drawn between sticking close to the source material and respecting the aesthetics and conventions of the medium (in this case, Cherry-style plastic keycaps). And in this case, the different overall font crosses that line just slightly.

Again, just my opinion! I think you've done a great job regardless of which style you decide on in the end :)
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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 19:13:20 »
Thank you for the feedback, if the consensus is to move back to a more 'default' font, I can do that - let me know in the IC form (already got one response stating this).

I'd like to explain why I picked this specific font though - the sublegends I've designed have all come from examples of delftware I've searched through the internet for, and although I was using vector images to mimic these, I've tried to keep them looking a little 'off' to mimic the small deviations that come through when you're handpainting such intricate designs. In order to fit the theme I spent many hours looking through various websites, even trying my hand at designing a new font from scratch, in order to look similar to how the signatures on the bottom looked. I referred to this image constantly:
Show Image


Instead of trying to go for something completely crazy, I felt using something with a handwritten style that was close to the GMK legends was the way to go, as delftware is handpainted, it felt wrong using such a consistent looking font. I understand with this hobby that consistency is usually king, but in my opinion, this set isn't about being consistent but about the beauty in something that is handmade.

TL;DR: Let me know in the IC form and I will change it back.

Thank you for the explanation. I definitely understand where you're coming from, and why the change makes sense given the inspiration of this set. I also applaud your efforts; creating a typeface is no easy task! You've certainly done a good job of mimicking the hand-painted look of the lettering, so I would say that you've achieved your goal there. Now, of course, this is just one man's opinion, but I believe there's a fine line to be drawn between sticking close to the source material and respecting the aesthetics and conventions of the medium (in this case, Cherry-style plastic keycaps). And in this case, the different overall font crosses that line just slightly.

Again, just my opinion! I think you've done a great job regardless of which style you decide on in the end :)

Yeah, I see your point and I'm glad you brought it up. I work in data analytics so if the data says to change back, I will.

Also, wanted to clarify the typefaces in the renders were not designed by me (but I have paid for licensing to use them). I got about 4 letters into my font before I realised what a gargantuan task it was to design a font where every character fits together and decided on another approach.   ;)

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 19:38:44 »
it just gets cuter and cuter
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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 20:25:02 »
.ooooh yes

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« Reply #75 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 23:56:00 »
The left tab in base looks a bit too busy, with both the icons and the "tab", maybe change sizes or opt for one or the other?

Otherwise, can't wait for the set!

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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 00:03:46 »
I'm more of a darker keycap guy, but this idea is great and the keycaps look awesome!

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 00:17:09 »
Are the old renders still available somewhere for comparison?  I seem to recall liking the previous renders better than the new ones, but it would be easier to judge if I could actually compare them side by side (and I think only the new renders are in the OP now).  Am I misremembering, or were there blue mods or a blue mod kit in the previous set of kits?

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« Reply #78 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 01:50:26 »
Are the old renders still available somewhere for comparison?  I seem to recall liking the previous renders better than the new ones, but it would be easier to judge if I could actually compare them side by side (and I think only the new renders are in the OP now).  Am I misremembering, or were there blue mods or a blue mod kit in the previous set of kits?

I liked the old ones better too. They were a lighter blue and yes there were blue mods.

Edit: I'm doubting myself now about the blue mods, but I think it makes sense since there are blue mods "leftover" in the new numpad kit.
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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 09:18:00 »
My only thoughts are the blue looks wrong.  I'm using a pixelbook chromebook so maybe the color reproduction of the screen is poor.
I think the color has changed? because looking at the "big update" the color looks really good now!
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« Reply #80 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:10:20 »
This is pure class! Filled out the form; I like both font options. Goding to get all the kits, wish for NorDeUK of course, but can live in pure ANSI or US-ISO land too. Fingers crossed!


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« Reply #81 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 14:49:26 »
Glad to see this is still alive. Absolutely fantastic. Wasnít a fan of the new font upon first glance, but itís growing on me for sure. The sublegends and novelties are amazing!

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« Reply #82 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:07:55 »
Super stoked to see this moving forward--this is one of the ICs I'm most excited about right now.  Filled out the form.  I'm on the fence about the new typeface...  I kinda like it on the alphas, but it seems like a bit much on the mods.  Maybe in Dutch it would look better, as Dutch looks weird already.  I also preferred the lighter shade of blue from the previous renders; even if the new shade is technically closer to real ceramics, I think the old shade is closer to my perception of what I think ceramics should look like.  Either way, I'm in for this set!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT Delftware - BIG UPDATE - All kits redone + novelties!
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:46:24 »
Are the old renders still available somewhere for comparison?  I seem to recall liking the previous renders better than the new ones, but it would be easier to judge if I could actually compare them side by side (and I think only the new renders are in the OP now).  Am I misremembering, or were there blue mods or a blue mod kit in the previous set of kits?

I liked the old ones better too. They were a lighter blue and yes there were blue mods.

Edit: I'm doubting myself now about the blue mods, but I think it makes sense since there are blue mods "leftover" in the new numpad kit.

I've taken the older renders down to not cause any confusion (they didn't have the sublegends or anything and yes, the blue has changed). There never was a mods kit, only accent keys (maybe I included too many numpad accent keys... I'm not a numpad user), at the time GMK Classic Blue was in IC and I didn't want to do anything too similar (still got compared to it a lot though lol).

For the blue colour change, I preferred the old one at first glance but after a while it looked a bit over saturated, especially for this theme.

Super stoked to see this moving forward--this is one of the ICs I'm most excited about right now.  Filled out the form.  I'm on the fence about the new typeface...  I kinda like it on the alphas, but it seems like a bit much on the mods.  Maybe in Dutch it would look better, as Dutch looks weird already.  I also preferred the lighter shade of blue from the previous renders; even if the new shade is technically closer to real ceramics, I think the old shade is closer to my perception of what I think ceramics should look like.  Either way, I'm in for this set!  :thumb:

Jury's still out on the typeface (IC form results pretty evenly split), but if I do keep the current typeface I will still be revisiting the mods. I was stuck on them for around a month so just decided to get something done so I could get the new renders out, but most of the feedback I'm getting is that they don't really work.

I'm still leaning towards keeping the new typeface - if people want a PBT blue on white set with a standard typeface they also have ePBT TA Origins to choose. I'll make a final decision shortly, going to post on reddit for the first time sometime in the next few days and will see how the IC form responses are looking then.

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« Reply #84 on: Thu, 02 July 2020, 16:14:19 »
2.25u & 2.75u novelty spacebars would be nice!