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Offline Jae-3soteric

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Welcome to the interest check for the Lodestone, a collaboration between Flex (of the FLX-Virgo) and Jae (of the J-01 & J-02).

This is an early interest check for a magnet mounted and gasket combo 65%. The board is a blocked 65% with stylish base, and chunky bezels. Designed to look sleek and unique, with a seamless side profile, the board is as elegant as she is functional.



Design
Using the standard 65% layout, and inspired by large rounded bezels, the design puts aesthetic alongside function. This layout has long been popular within the community, and for good reason. With support for all usual layouts on the PCB (incl ISO, split or full left shift / right shift / backspace, and a few variations on the bottom row) you can be sure to be able to build this board to the layout of your choice. Please note - the top blocker area is till a work in progress. There is a version with or without it as currently stands.



Updates
Updates will be posted here and on my discord: https://discord.gg/qm944aC
You should also check out Flex's discord here: https://discord.gg/KRAuQRc



MagLev & Gasket Mounting
The board features a unique mounting system, comprising of both magnetic levitation for a cushioned feel, and a top mount gasket to isolate the plate from the case. This reduces ping and noise transference from the plate to the case; and will highlight the true sound of the switches and caps without detracting from the maglev experience.

This design requires a firmer plate material, due to the way the typing feel is accentuated by the forces applied to the magnetic repulsion when typing. As such we will default to Carbon Fibre, as it is non magnetic and rigid, whilst offering an even feel. Even so, due to the unique interplay with the magnets, the typing experience is cushioned across the board.




Naming
The first magnets were not invented, but rather were found from a naturally occurring mineral called magnetite. The mineral magnetite is an iron oxide that is easily magnetized when it forms. Magnetite is also known as Lodestone.



Prototypes
A prototype of the current iteration of design is on order and will be used as a test bed to determine the correct orientation and volume of magnets required. Through rapid prototyping we have experimented with multiple magnet mounting solutions to test the forces applied and required to keep an interesting typing feel.

Once the final Prototype is here we will share details of the build and videos of the experience you can expect.



Proof of Concept
We have completed multiple iterations of the board, and some working examples of how the mounting will work. Whilst there is too many iterations to share in the IC, I thought it would be useful for you to Flex's original POC with mounting two boards on a rigid, adjustable plane, and the strength of the magnets intended for use.

These invaluable experiments and multiple iterations have really shaped the final design.




Specification
  • 2piece case - Aluminium
  • Plate - Carbon Fibre (fixed ISO and ANSI variants)
  • PCB - USB C and QMK Compatible (ESD protected)
  • Breakout Daughterboard
  • 7 degree Angle
  • Colours TBC
  • Gasket; 1.5mm Nitrile Rubber



Group-Buy Details
Whilst we would like to take this product to Group Buy, we are dependent on the prototypes success. We have a good level of confidence, and believe in the potential of this board to deliver a new and innovative solution to the market.

Initially it would likely be a small 50 unit run post the prototype completion; with the potential for larger runs later if demand is there. No dates are currently planned for this; however the aspirational plan is that we would be looking at April for the first run.



Next Steps
  • More renders
  • Receive Prototype
  • Build and test Prototype
  • Share results
  • Arrange GB pending prototype success



Render Gallery
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Offline huey

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:53:41 »
Those are some THICC bezels, I love it.

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:53:58 »
Gorgeous board and interesting concept. I’m excited to see where this goes!

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:54:19 »
Yes pls

Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:54:46 »
MagLev

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:56:16 »
WKL? pleeeeeease ;)

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:56:28 »
Oh hell yes

Offline bill_ng117

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:57:04 »
This is incredibly interesting Jae! Can’t wait to see prototypes and soundtests  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:57:17 »
maglev eh???? i am interested for sure!

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:58:18 »
Magnets ;D  Looking forward to seeing how this one works out

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Re: [IC] Loadstone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:59:06 »
This is crazy. I’m in.

Offline Carcha

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:01:26 »
I love it. Definitely interested!

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:02:58 »
Looks super sweet and it’s 65%. Looking forward to seeing prototype and sound test!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:04:51 »
This may well be my first 65% if it all comes out on a timeline i can work with. Love the Thick bezel look same as i loved the exent, more is better for to me in the looks department.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:09:53 »
Wow, crazy ideal I really hope works out! Not a huge fan of the wide bezels, but that is something I can easily overlook because of the novel mounting system you guys are trying to put into place here. GL with everything moving forward!

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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:10:43 »
I’ve actually been thinking of a maglev keyboard design for the last few months. Glad to see I’m not the only one to think of it lol. Looks awesome!!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:11:50 »
Like the design, not sure about the big bezel and iso layout  ;D

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:13:17 »
Wow, crazy ideal I really hope works out! Not a huge fan of the wide bezels, but that is something I can easily overlook because of the novel mounting system you guys are trying to put into place here. GL with everything moving forward!

Yeah we needed the bezels to hold the magnets in place and be the right size and thin enough to support as needed - we actually considered many types of magnet and positions before settling on this one

I’ve actually been thinking of a maglev keyboard design for the last few months. Glad to see I’m not the only one to think of it lol. Looks awesome!!


Awesome!! I've been toying with this since teh J-01 with the mag mounted pen rail. It took Flex to make the design work

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:14:13 »
Like the design, not sure about the big bezel and iso layout  ;D

It'll support ANSI!!!  :p

The bezels are there for the magnets mainly

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:21:47 »
Between this and the Evolv I am very impressed with the innovation in the community this year. Also, the design is gorgeous. That bottom piece is beautiful and the thick bezels look stunning. Love the seamless frame, too.

My only question here would be whether this MagLev implementation is susceptible to de-magnetization over time. Other MagLev applications I know of (japanese trains and computer fans) all use electromagnets to achieve suspension (that's why they're called EMS - Electromagnetic Suspension). This (I assume) uses permanent magnets, which can lose miniscule amounts of magnetism over time and can be completely demagnetized if exposed to a magnetic field of a reversed polarity. Temperature is also a factor in retaining magnetic properties. Is this something that was considered during the design process?
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:23:02 »
Looks real good. These units will fly off quickly...

Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:23:50 »
I'm really digging that orange color board.  Orange + Thicc.  I'm in.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:25:57 »
Large Bezel + magnetic cushion + ISO = music to my ears!

You might need to write a few lines addressing the unmagnetizing possibilities and conditions?
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:34:34 »
Looks great! Those orange renders are amazing.

What's the reason for not having an upper-right key? Would love a standard layout or something special to go in that corner.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:37:45 »
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:40:07 »
The magnets will support all the weight of the  switches and keycaps?

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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:40:08 »
jae 65 so bad pls men gltho

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:44:59 »
Between this and the Evolv I am very impressed with the innovation in the community this year. Also, the design is gorgeous. That bottom piece is beautiful and the thick bezels look stunning. Love the seamless frame, too.

My only question here would be whether this MagLev implementation is susceptible to de-magnetization over time. Other MagLev applications I know of (japanese trains and computer fans) all use electromagnets to achieve suspension (that's why they're called EMS - Electromagnetic Suspension). This (I assume) uses permanent magnets, which can lose miniscule amounts of magnetism over time and can be completely demagnetized if exposed to a magnetic field of a reversed polarity. Temperature is also a factor in retaining magnetic properties. Is this something that was considered during the design process?
Under normal conditions neodymium magnets lose 1% force over 10 years. Unless as you stated some weird science happens. They should be fine. There are also "permanent" magnets, though expensive.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:49:59 »
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:59:01 »
Everything looks great. As a Mac user though, I dearly wish you'd have a 1.25u-1.25u-1.25u bottom row. 1u WK (or ⌥ for Mac) is rather unergonomic for macOS usage.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:00:02 »
From an innovation standpoint: Highly interested!
Design-wise: Well...

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:01:06 »
The magnets will support all the weight of the  switches and keycaps?

Yes - easily.

Large Bezel + magnetic cushion + ISO = music to my ears!

You might need to write a few lines addressing the unmagnetizing possibilities and conditions?

Between this and the Evolv I am very impressed with the innovation in the community this year. Also, the design is gorgeous. That bottom piece is beautiful and the thick bezels look stunning. Love the seamless frame, too.

My only question here would be whether this MagLev implementation is susceptible to de-magnetization over time. Other MagLev applications I know of (japanese trains and computer fans) all use electromagnets to achieve suspension (that's why they're called EMS - Electromagnetic Suspension). This (I assume) uses permanent magnets, which can lose miniscule amounts of magnetism over time and can be completely demagnetized if exposed to a magnetic field of a reversed polarity. Temperature is also a factor in retaining magnetic properties. Is this something that was considered during the design process?

The Magnet lifespan was def considered. The Neodymium magnets we intend to use will only lose 1% of their repulsion force every ten years in this type of application. We will also share where the magnets can be bought from if anyone does accidentally expose their keyboard to a large electromagnet capable of damaging the mounting system.

Looks great! Those orange renders are amazing.

What's the reason for not having an upper-right key? Would love a standard layout or something special to go in that corner.

Just havent decided as yet - it was a design affectation just for the proto, but as you can see on the plate we do have a key there. This is just an early IC so will have more details post the Prototype. (personally I think we will just end up with a key there)


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:01:49 »
Everything looks great. As a Mac user though, I dearly wish you'd have a 1.25u-1.25u-1.25u bottom row. 1u WK (or ⌥ for Mac) is rather unergonomic for macOS usage.

Multiple bottom rows will be avail - fear not!! I'll double check we included that on the OP as I thought we had

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:02:55 »
From an innovation standpoint: Highly interested!
Design-wise: Well...

Each to their own :D

We needed the bezels to house the magnets. The base is my favourite part

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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:09:58 »
Looks great! Those orange renders are amazing.

What's the reason for not having an upper-right key? Would love a standard layout or something special to go in that corner.
I'm probably the minority here, but I prefer no key there for one actually practical reason:
When I need to delete text, I tend to just throw my finger to the upper left for Backspace without looking.
This often backfires when I use a 65% because I sometimes hit the key to the right of Backspace instead.
A logo there would be nice too.
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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:11:16 »
From an innovation standpoint: Highly interested!
Design-wise: Well...

Each to their own :D

We needed the bezels to house the magnets. The base is my favourite part

I thought something like this.

Well, the J-02 grew on me too during the weeks leading to the GB. We will see if this is also the case with Lodestone ;)

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:13:53 »
Although I'm not the biggest fan of the case design, the MagLev mounting mechanism definitely caught my attention, very interesting and innovative, great idea!

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:15:22 »
Very interesting mounting concept.  Not a fan of the wide bezel and skinny blocker. Top right blocked is /yawn at this point. Maybe consider Fc660c layout.  Looks better with big bezels. 

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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:15:40 »
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The Magnet lifespan was def considered. The Neodymium magnets we intend to use will only lose 1% of their repulsion force every ten years in this type of application. We will also share where the magnets can be bought from if anyone does accidentally expose their keyboard to a large electromagnet capable of damaging the mounting system.
Great to hear. The possibility of just replacing the magnets completely alleviates any concerns I had about the mounting system. :)

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it was a design affectation just for the proto, but as you can see on the plate we do have a key there. This is just an early IC so will have more details post the Prototype. (personally I think we will just end up with a key there)
Personally, I would just engrave a little symbol resembling the schematic of a magnetic field. Something similar to this:
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:25:57 »
This is how you win at keyboards.. I love this.
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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:26:18 »
Bezel me daddy

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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:28:55 »
we are living in the future!

flex and jae - apart from the mounting tech, which is super cool - that base looks divine. sensual curves. definitely a she.
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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:30:01 »
Pretty interesting design.  Looking forward to updates.

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:38:05 »
Love everything about it. Best of luck making it a reality and I look forward to purchasing a unit. Great work.

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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:44:33 »
Really cool mounting concept! You should put a logo, insert or something in the top right corner. It would look neat.
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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 10:54:00 »
 :thumb:  ME like it!

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« Reply #46 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 11:05:47 »
Very nice and interesting concept.
Could i ask what the expected front height is please?

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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 11:07:37 »
Finally, this becomes official! In for one, for sure!

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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 11:20:10 »
hype

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« Reply #49 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 11:45:55 »
You definitely have my attention. Also love the GMK Midnight Rainbow in the renders. Can't wait for that set's gb to go live later this year!

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« Reply #50 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 11:46:42 »
Could i ask what the expected front height is please?


It comes in just under 18mm (17.89 to be exact)  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:05:00 »
I believe we can start calling the aesthetic of Jae’s boards, the JaestheticTM.  Looks wonderful.  Can’t wait to see and hear the prototype.

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« Reply #52 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:10:21 »
I believe we can start calling the aesthetic of Jae’s boards, the JaestheticTM.  Looks wonderful.  Can’t wait to see and hear the prototype.
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:18:36 »
Looks great! Those orange renders are amazing.

What's the reason for not having an upper-right key? Would love a standard layout or something special to go in that corner.
I'm probably the minority here, but I prefer no key there for one actually practical reason:
When I need to delete text, I tend to just throw my finger to the upper left for Backspace without looking.
This often backfires when I use a 65% because I sometimes hit the key to the right of Backspace instead.
A logo there would be nice too.

This is good point. I do the same thing. The problem for me is that I also don't like the way those corner badges look. Conflicted, but agree with you.

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« Reply #54 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:24:06 »
Following this one with interest. Looking forward to build streams and design iteration.

Very much appreciate inclusion of ESD protection, as well as the fact that you call it out as a feature.

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« Reply #55 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:25:55 »
Corner logo would be dope

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« Reply #56 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:26:08 »
Maybe bezels seem large for the first sight, but the beautifully curved bottom, chamfers and rounded corners make the design aesthetic and easy to the eye.

And of course I'm pretty curious about the typing feel of the magnetic mount.

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« Reply #57 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:32:15 »
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We have completed multiple iterations of the board, and some working examples of how the mounting will work. Whilst there is too many iterations to share in the IC..
Could you share at least one of them? In my opinion two wooden boards in a weird perspective and in gif form isn't a great format how to show a proof of concept.

Also how do you plan to even out the force that's applied on sides and corners of the board?

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..believe in the potential of this board to deliver a new and innovative solution to the market..
What's the problem with just gasket mounts, and what's problem are you trying to solve?

I don't mean to sound too negative or skeptical but I personally don't see the usefulness of magnets, though I would love to see the prototype!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:39:21 »
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We have completed multiple iterations of the board, and some working examples of how the mounting will work. Whilst there is too many iterations to share in the IC..
Could you share at least one of them? In my opinion two wooden boards in a weird perspective and in gif form isn't a great format how to show a proof of concept.

Also how do you plan to even out the force that's applied on sides and corners of the board?

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..believe in the potential of this board to deliver a new and innovative solution to the market..
What's the problem with just gasket mounts, and what's problem are you trying to solve?

I don't mean to sound too negative or skeptical but I personally don't see the usefulness of magnets, though I would love to see the prototype!
Well in my opinion this hobby is just chasing the useless and novelty. There is no real use for a gasket in a keyboard but we enjoy it. I think magnets will just be another step for us to get even cooler stuff!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:50:10 »
I was wondering when someone would bring out a magnet held plate... interested

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:04:10 »
You already know this is going to be hype.

Count me in!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:44:09 »
I was wondering when someone would bring out a magnet held plate... interested

It's fun, because I'm not actually a huge fan of magnet held cases, but magnetic floating plates? Where do I sign up!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:50:18 »
It'd be awesome to have a small symbol representative of loadstone somewhere on here, like the ancient chinese compass (han dynasty)

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Normally not huge on symbols or stamps, but there's just so much history behind loadstones. They're just so important to the development of the world, honestly.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:16:10 »
Really cool concept looking forward to seeing the protos before I judge it. Though, I will say that having a corner blocker without any logo or anything there kinda looks weird. I would rather actually have something there, or just put a key there instead. Something about it being blank, in addition to the large bezels just seems a bit weird to me.
 

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:24:19 »
Wow, this thing is really cool!

Will different strength magnets be available as options to customize the feel, or perhaps will the magnets be a standard off-the-shelf part so that would be possible?

Also, I was curious if you had any estimate on how much force it takes to bottom the plate out? It's kinda hard to tell how hard it's being pressed in the proof of concept.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:26:04 »
Very interesting concept. Given how popular split backspace is on 65% boards (and in general), will this board have a split backspace option? Either in the form of a fixed plate, or as an option on the existing ANSI plate.
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:39:33 »
Would love to see it at a lower type angle like 3-5°.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 17:11:54 »
Really cool concept looking forward to seeing the protos before I judge it. Though, I will say that having a corner blocker without any logo or anything there kinda looks weird. I would rather actually have something there, or just put a key there instead. Something about it being blank, in addition to the large bezels just seems a bit weird to me.

Blocker is likely to go tbh - if you see the plate file it has a key there.

Very interesting concept. Given how popular split backspace is on 65% boards (and in general), will this board have a split backspace option? Either in the form of a fixed plate, or as an option on the existing ANSI plate.
Layout choices not fully decided as yet - but I'll def keep it in mind.

Would love to see it at a lower type angle like 3-5°.

Its 7 degrees at the min - I wouldnt want to go below 5. Any changes will be made based on the Proto

Wow, this thing is really cool!

Will different strength magnets be available as options to customize the feel, or perhaps will the magnets be a standard off-the-shelf part so that would be possible?

Also, I was curious if you had any estimate on how much force it takes to bottom the plate out? It's kinda hard to tell how hard it's being pressed in the proof of concept.

Will likely keep it as one set of magnets - pre installed. Given how easy it is to install magnets in the wrong orientation, they would be pre-fitted for convenience.

As part of the proto process we will show bottom out forces etc.


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 17:42:22 »
Definitely Interested in being part of the trial run, if the costs are suitable.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 17:54:59 »

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 17:55:18 »
This is so rad

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 18:27:52 »
Wouldn't you need a fully loaded plate + actual typing to be a proper "proof of concept"? The weight of a piece of wood with 1 finger pressing down surely is nothing in comparison to real-world typing demo?
I love the idea & design though & I hope you manage to make it work on a functional plate with switches etc.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 18:42:32 »
Wouldn't you need a fully loaded plate + actual typing to be a proper "proof of concept"? The weight of a piece of wood with 1 finger pressing down surely is nothing in comparison to real-world typing demo?
I love the idea & design though & I hope you manage to make it work on a functional plate with switches etc.
They said they'd post stuff when the prototypes were in.

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« Reply #73 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 19:53:00 »
Damn this is a really interesting concept! Hope everything goes smoothly and we can get a gb.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 00:46:15 »
Thicc. Orange. Magnets.

I think I’m in love.

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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 01:43:48 »
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 01:58:46 »
I on the other hand don't really care about the magnetic mount system, but I'd get it for the design only.

So few options out there for few of us who like bezels.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 02:08:34 »
Interest sparked.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 03:30:08 »
This looks really interesting. I like  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 05:34:21 »
I on the other hand don't really care about the magnetic mount system, but I'd get it for the design only.

So few options out there for few of us who like bezels.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 06:05:38 »
What about an encoder at the top blocker?

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 06:55:51 »
What about an encoder at the top blocker?

No - the blocker will likely be removed in favour of a switch. But I wouldnt want to put a rotary encoder on this particular design

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« Reply #82 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 08:01:20 »
Love the concept and your work always seems top notch!
Too bad mechanical watches and strong magnetic fields dont mix well otherwise I would love to join.

The growing diversity is only going to grow the hobby even more!  :thumb:

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« Reply #83 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 09:00:16 »
Magnets AND carbon fibre?

Nice...

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« Reply #84 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 14:49:35 »
The "initial" colors look cool as well!
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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:19:58 »
Love the concept and your work always seems top notch!
Too bad mechanical watches and strong magnetic fields dont mix well otherwise I would love to join.

The growing diversity is only going to grow the hobby even more!  :thumb:

Doesn’t it take like a more powerful magnet to interfere with electronics though? Like an electromagnet?

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #86 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 03:55:04 »
A mechanical watch, either hand wound or automatic has no electronic parts.
But certain elements of the movement, e.g. the hairspring can get magnetized which results in the watch speeding up or running irregular.
For most current watches these magnets shouldnt be able to magnetize the watch, but vintage watches with worn down plating might get affected.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #87 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 04:17:38 »
Love the concept and your work always seems top notch!
Too bad mechanical watches and strong magnetic fields dont mix well otherwise I would love to join.

The growing diversity is only going to grow the hobby even more!  :thumb:

Doesn’t it take like a more powerful magnet to interfere with electronics though? Like an electromagnet?
Mechanical watches are more fragile.
Speakers' magnets are mostly fine, but it's been reported that the magnets inside laptop lids (to keep them tightly close) can stop a watch cold if it's put directly on the lid.
No problem if the watch is on your hand though.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #88 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 04:21:53 »
A mechanical watch, either hand wound or automatic has no electronic parts.
But certain elements of the movement, e.g. the hairspring can get magnetized which results in the watch speeding up or running irregular.
For most current watches these magnets shouldnt be able to magnetize the watch, but vintage watches with worn down plating might get affected.

... I have to admit, I read your first post as “mechanical switches” 🙈
Thank you though this was very illuminating.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #89 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 13:50:48 »
The top blocker was a miss communication turns out we each thought the other wanted it  :-[ .

The order for the prototype has been changed and I've done a few renders sans blocker for all the blockerphobes out there.





I prefer it like this too, other tops have been discussed, but we need to make sure everything else is working before trying to iterate purely on the design aesthetic.
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« Reply #90 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 15:45:09 »
Those renders look great to me.
Looking forward to seeing how the prototype turns out.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #91 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:58:35 »
The new renders with the key there looks lot better. Lot more excited for this board now.
 

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #92 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 17:17:48 »
Would you consider using a more traditional 1.25–1.25–1.25–6.25–1.25–1.25 bottom row instead of 1.5–1–1.5–7–1.5? The lack of a second right-hand modifier key is a big turn-off for me, and is the main reason why I didn't jump on some notable 65% boards that I otherwise liked (Koyu springs to mind).
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:28:04 »
Love the new no blocker renders!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:29:23 »
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The lack of a second right-hand modifier key is a big turn-off for me, and is the main reason why I didn't jump on some notable 65% boards that I otherwise liked
Ditto. As an Adobe Creative Cloud user I just can't imagine having a board without the right-hand side ctrl and alt keys.
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:30:49 »
Would you consider using a more traditional 1.25–1.25–1.25–6.25–1.25–1.25 bottom row instead of 1.5–1–1.5–7–1.5? The lack of a second right-hand modifier key is a big turn-off for me, and is the main reason why I didn't jump on some notable 65% boards that I otherwise liked (Koyu springs to mind).


Most likely. It’s usually my preferred layout for 65s as well. We will have an updated set of layouts for the PCB in due course. So feedback like this is invaluable.


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #96 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:37:28 »
I love everything about this board. Big bezels are really cool, the base is super nice (Kepler vibes), and the magnets????? Instant-buy. I'm sure it will be difficult to get into the small first run of 50 people. Have you guys considered doing a raffle or making it a larger run?

Also has the effect of magnet on the PCB been analyzed? A still magnet next to the circuit I'm sure won't be a big deal, but what if the user is heavy handed and moves the plate up an down a lot during use? That moving magnetic field might induct a current into the circuit if it's near enough right?

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #97 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 19:26:18 »
This concept sounds incredible. Can't wait to hear how the prototype will sound.

Please be kind enough for some sound comparisons between Lodestone and a more typically mounted board if possible. :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 00:22:56 »
Beautiful board and with ISO support 😍 Would love one of these in white to go with my GMK Copper set 😁

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« Reply #99 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 02:42:00 »
Perfecto!  ;D
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #100 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 07:37:31 »
Looks much better without the top blocker. Would look better without the arrow blocker too but can't have everything.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #101 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 11:10:09 »
This is a rad concept!  If the price isn't outrageous (like the Evolv is going to be), I'd be in for this.  I'm down with thick bezels.  And in particular the no-blocker orange render looks fantastic!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 12:09:31 »
I like the magnet concept ! I'm in if there's a key on top right corner (I don't like that unused space)
BTW, no issue with magnets for those who wear mechanical watches ?

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« Reply #103 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 13:57:46 »
Definitely interested in this!

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« Reply #104 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 22:51:59 »
Looks awesome Jae & Flex! Now make it a 40 thank you

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 14:29:36 »
It looks like the magnets are only housed along the outer rim on the pcb assembly. Is this true?

What's the target plate displacement during normal typing?

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 15:12:45 »
Could i ask what the expected front height is please?


It comes in just under 18mm (17.89 to be exact)  :thumb:

Thanks a mill for the response.
Looking forward to the GB and hope I manage to snatch one.

PS: If the orange colour is made. Can I vote for it to be called Datsun Orange please  :)


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #107 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 15:15:01 »
Could i ask what the expected front height is please?


It comes in just under 18mm (17.89 to be exact)  :thumb:

Thanks a mill for the response.
Looking forward to the GB and hope I manage to snatch one.

PS: If the orange colour is made. Can I vote for it to be called Datsun Orange please  :)

Which sun? lololol jk. The renders kinda look like the Maserati orange to me, but I like the idea of Datsun Orange better

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 18:29:54 »
Could i ask what the expected front height is please?


It comes in just under 18mm (17.89 to be exact)  :thumb:

Thanks a mill for the response.
Looking forward to the GB and hope I manage to snatch one.

PS: If the orange colour is made. Can I vote for it to be called Datsun Orange please  :)

Which sun? lololol jk. The renders kinda look like the Maserati orange to me, but I like the idea of Datsun Orange better

He mentions to name it that because I have a Datsun Fairlady in a very close colour :D

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 19:08:17 »
Love this!! Can’t wait to see how the protos go :0

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« Reply #110 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 02:25:11 »
Excited to see where this goes.

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« Reply #111 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 02:37:01 »
Looks amazing, any estimate on pricing?


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #112 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 09:57:34 »
Looks amazing, any estimate on pricing?


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« Reply #113 on: Sun, 23 February 2020, 04:05:42 »
It'll be interesting to see how much give this has during normal typing.

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« Reply #114 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 12:07:21 »
This is the proper chonky boi we need!

Any chance you can update the discord link for updates?

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 13:33:25 »
This is the proper chonky boi we need!

Any chance you can update the discord link for updates?


Here is the updated link!!


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« Reply #116 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 13:36:25 »
This is the proper chonky boi we need!

Any chance you can update the discord link for updates?


Here is the updated link!!


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #117 on: Thu, 05 March 2020, 08:16:38 »
Interested, depending on price. I can't imagine maglev is cheap... ;)

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #118 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 20:13:25 »
This is extremely interesting! The only thing I really don't like is the missing key in the top right corner.
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #119 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 20:17:48 »
This is extremely interesting! The only thing I really don't like is the missing key in the top right corner.


As addressed later in the thread we are experimenting with multiple top cases so there will be other options as well.

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« Reply #120 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 20:22:02 »
Yay, awesome!

Also, thinking about it a tad more, I'm concerned about the feeling being just like a top mount if the magnets are too powerful... Do you plan to propose different force of magnets? And how will you avoid the rattle between the plate and the housing if the plate has to move a little?
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #121 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 20:29:16 »
Yay, awesome!

Also, thinking about it a tad more, I'm concerned about the feeling being just like a top mount if the magnets are too powerful... Do you plan to propose different force of magnets? And how will you avoid the rattle between the plate and the housing if the plate has to move a little?

There is a gasket above the plate. There has been a lot of math done on the magnets/ load/ repulsion / typing forces to come up with what we believe is a good range. The prototypes will enable us to test those ranges and confirm what we have interpreted from the math


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #122 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 20:37:49 »
This is extremely interesting! The only thing I really don't like is the missing key in the top right corner.


As addressed later in the thread we are experimenting with multiple top cases so there will be other options as well.

Still aiming to receive the prototypes this month

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That looks fantastic

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« Reply #123 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 01:06:05 »
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This back case design reminds me of those Lumina LE's that we never got. :D
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« Reply #124 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 01:34:43 »
definitely going to be watching this one closely O.O
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #125 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 03:32:53 »
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This back case design reminds me of those Lumina LE's that we never got. :D


Ugh - the memories.... I’d kinda forgotten about just how many I was owed...


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #126 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 03:59:29 »
I'd like to suggest a rotary dial on the top right, instead of the blocker, or another button.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #127 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 04:06:31 »
Ugh - the memories.... I’d kinda forgotten about just how many I was owed...


Just to be clear, 100% Tes free boards here - this is all original from Flex and I

Tbh I think this case back looks much nicer too.
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #128 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 04:47:14 »
Yay, awesome!

Also, thinking about it a tad more, I'm concerned about the feeling being just like a top mount if the magnets are too powerful... Do you plan to propose different force of magnets? And how will you avoid the rattle between the plate and the housing if the plate has to move a little?

There is a gasket above the plate. There has been a lot of math done on the magnets/ load/ repulsion / typing forces to come up with what we believe is a good range. The prototypes will enable us to test those ranges and confirm what we have interpreted from the math


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it's not the above the plate that concerns me, I read about the gasket, but rather on its sides
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #129 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 05:19:10 »
This looks super interesting!  would love to get in on this when the GB goes live

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #130 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 10:17:30 »
Yay, awesome!

Also, thinking about it a tad more, I'm concerned about the feeling being just like a top mount if the magnets are too powerful... Do you plan to propose different force of magnets? And how will you avoid the rattle between the plate and the housing if the plate has to move a little?

There is a gasket above the plate. There has been a lot of math done on the magnets/ load/ repulsion / typing forces to come up with what we believe is a good range. The prototypes will enable us to test those ranges and confirm what we have interpreted from the math


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it's not the above the plate that concerns me, I read about the gasket, but rather on its sides


Shouldn’t be an issue with our implementation - but the proto will confirm that.

It won’t be a quiet board tho I don’t think :)


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #131 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 13:24:38 »
Very interesting concept for the plate.  Watching with interest.
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #132 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 05:13:35 »
Can I just send you my credit card information now? Lol. I’m definitely in for this. I was hoping to create something similar with a maglev mount not too long ago, but it only transpired in my drawings and ideas. Didn’t have the time to devote to it, and didn’t really know where to start.

Super excited to see the prototype, and really hope to get one of these for myself.


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 06:33:49 »
Interested in it!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #134 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 13:20:35 »
Some more prototype images on my insta for anyone interested:


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #135 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 14:52:08 »
This looks amazing! Ill def try to snatch one if I don't miss the GB!! Good luck with the prototypes

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #136 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 23:23:02 »
Any updates on this? We're you able to test the magnets and PCB?

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #137 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 23:35:07 »
I’m interested in this board. Hope there’s more updates!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #138 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 03:18:33 »
Hey folks - small update.

Got the proto's in, and both Flex and I have used and had a play with them. We are both really excited about the way it works, but the prototypes did highlight some things with the design that we want to fix.

Right now we have a revised Proto being made to test the changes - after all, this is why we prototype! Once those are approved, Salvun will be machining the final pre-production model which is where you folks may see a Build stream or two :D

You can see some of the proto pictures here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-KX0jUn-3H/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-R52aEn-hj/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-XMp88nzuf/

As always, updates will be on my Discord: https://discord.gg/qm944aC     & Flex's discord:   https://discord.gg/KRAuQRc

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 17:33:39 »
Hey folks - small update.

Got the proto's in, and both Flex and I have used and had a play with them. We are both really excited about the way it works, but the prototypes did highlight some things with the design that we want to fix.

Right now we have a revised Proto being made to test the changes - after all, this is why we prototype! Once those are approved, Salvun will be machining the final pre-production model which is where you folks may see a Build stream or two :D

You can see some of the proto pictures here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-KX0jUn-3H/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-R52aEn-hj/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-XMp88nzuf/

As always, updates will be on my Discord: https://discord.gg/qm944aC     & Flex's discord:   https://discord.gg/KRAuQRc

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65% - Prototypes in Production
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 19:37:33 »
Hey folks - small update.

Got the proto's in, and both Flex and I have used and had a play with them. We are both really excited about the way it works, but the prototypes did highlight some things with the design that we want to fix.

Right now we have a revised Proto being made to test the changes - after all, this is why we prototype! Once those are approved, Salvun will be machining the final pre-production model which is where you folks may see a Build stream or two :D

You can see some of the proto pictures here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-KX0jUn-3H/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-R52aEn-hj/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-XMp88nzuf/

As always, updates will be on my Discord: https://discord.gg/qm944aC     & Flex's discord:   https://discord.gg/KRAuQRc

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Can't wait for pending updates. Renders look incredible.

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Looks super interesting to me