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Offline Blamby

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[IC] GMK Pride
« on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:45:10 »
Hello! I'm launching my first IC for a keycap set that is based on the pride flag!
this idea came to me a long time ago and I started working on it,
I created this set because I want to show my support as an ally to the LGBTQ+ community. I want to celebrate their bravery, confidence, positive vibes. I like a lot to make different gifts so I'm glad to start this set to put a big smile on their faces.
I'm so excited to make my dream come true, I would be happy to hear your feedback on how I can further improve this set



Collab announcement:
 ZeusCables and I are actively working on a red cable to make up for the layouts, such as 60% and 65%, that do not allow for the red stripe to be on the board along with the other colors.

Artisan Keycap: TBD

ATTENTION:

The donation will be produced by the vendors to the charity organizations with the amount of 50% of the profit

NA Charity Organization-https://pointfoundation.org/
EU Charity Organization-https://www.ilga-europe.org/donate
Asia Charity Organization-https://www.hrc.org/resources/coming-out-living-authentically-as-lgbtq-asian-and-pacific-islander-america
Australia Charity Organization-https://pridefoundation.org.au/donate/


Kits:


The Base Kit.





And Some Renders.



















GB:
03.11.2020

Pricing:
TBD


IC Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc89rdWwDfnkDkq5p_o8h3zz058cZcsOu10YGvQl-dNpbpEaA/viewform



Special thanks to: Swishy, Liz and all the keycap designer server


Vendors:
NA: Kono
EU: My Keyboard
Asia: Thic Thock
Australia: Daily Clack

Updates:
29.07.2020
So I decided to remove the novelties kit beacuse it would be imposible to include all the symbols that represent the LGBTQ+ community, but will remain the expression "Out And Proud" that represent the strong part of LGBTQ+.
Also I'm waiting to work with vendors to decide on an organization that will help with charities, but will be doing research on organizations

14.08.2020:
Added some new and corrected renders.
24.08.2020:
Arranged and corrected the Base Kit
09.08.20:
Corrected the Base Kit

« Last Edit: Tue, 20 October 2020, 11:07:51 by Blamby »

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:46:16 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:50:14 »
I wouldn't exactly say that the LGBTQ+ community is hated (at least not in most of the western parts of the world).

For the name I think GMK LGBTQ would actually be better.

Nevertheless I like this set. Would buy just for the lolz (and cuz I'm big gay).  ;D
« Last Edit: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:39:36 by elmo »

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:51:47 »
So.. basically handerbeit in horizontal rows? I like the idea behind it but not really a creative set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:53:26 »
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.
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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:55:53 »
So.. basically handerbeit in horizontal rows? I like the idea behind it but not really a creative set.

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Offline Blamby

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:56:44 »
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.
Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:57:30 »
Not lgbtq+, yet plans to profit from them. Novelties seem super ignorant too. Ohhh boy.

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:57:54 »
I think the term "gender equality" means something else: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:58:12 »
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.
Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible

Why wouldn't it be possible?

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:59:06 »
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.
Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible

I can't say I have any experience in doing that myself. but it definitely can be done. For example, some proceeds from GMK Coral went to the Coral Reef Alliance, and all proceeds from ePBT Ivory were donated to Save The Elephants. If you're serious about taking up a similar mantle, throw some PMs to the designers of those sets and I'm sure they'd love to help unpack the process
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Offline Blamby

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:59:54 »
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.
Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible

Why wouldn't it be possible?
If I'll have vendors, I'll talk with them about this

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:00:07 »
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.
Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible

It's absolutely possible. You work with vendors who support the idea, then you take all the profits and instead of keeping them you give them to charity.

Offline Blamby

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:01:32 »
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.
Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible

It's absolutely possible. You work with vendors who support the idea, then you take all the profits and instead of keeping them you give them to charity.
Okay I'll try my best

Offline leexy

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:04:36 »
I think the term "gender equality" means something else: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality

exactly. clicked on this thread expecting something else.

GMK Pride would be a more appropriate name for this set/idea.

Offline harlekein

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:05:49 »
I think the term "gender equality" means something else: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality

Yeah, this has nothing to do with gender equality. There's probably another term OP is looking for.

Offline Visionaire

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:06:16 »
Suggestions:

1. Designate a charity that you're passionate about supporting and send your proceeds to this. It's been done in other sets and seems to be appropriate here (at least how you've setup the backstory)
2. A better name for this might be GMK Pride
3. Don't think the novelties are on point, or needed imo
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Offline Blamby

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:07:54 »
Changed the name of the set to GMK Pride

Offline SlipperyPeteED

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:09:47 »
Suggestions:

1. Designate a charity that you're passionate about supporting and send your proceeds to this. It's been done in other sets and seems to be appropriate here (at least how you've setup the backstory)
2. A better name for this might be GMK Pride
3. Don't think the novelties are on point, or needed imo

this exactly. Profiting off of something meant to spread awareness is super disingenuous, the name makes no sense and the novelties need a revision at the very least. that all being said i think the concept is a good one. done properly this could be a cool way to spread awareness and positivity.

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Re: [IC] GMK Gender Equality
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:21:08 »
Not lgbtq+, yet plans to profit from them. Novelties seem super ignorant too. Ohhh boy.
I think their heart’s in the right place; they’re just lacking in the execution.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:29:55 »
I'm sure there's no ill intent at play, but the sum of a lot of what's laid out (the original name, the novelties, the "they're hated", etc) just turns out pretty uncomfortable to be honest.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:35:12 »
I'm sure there's no ill intent at play, but the sum of a lot of what's laid out (the original name, the novelties, the "they're hated", etc) just turns out pretty uncomfortable to be honest.

Agreed on all of this. Seems like the intention is good, but too many things were wide of the mark.

It would probably be better for a colourway to reflect something the OP was more familiar in order to avoid missteps.

Offline Blamby

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:37:17 »
Sorry for misunderstooding, I corrected all my mistakes i could do for now

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:40:07 »
I suggest you reach out and work with a vendor to help you sort out the donation plans.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 09:07:44 »
Possibly a silly idea, and not sure if/how it'd drive up costs, but maybe instead of plain white lettering you could use the white/pink/cyan/brown/black from a "modern pride flag" -- either assigning a specific letter color to each keycap color (pink on blue, brown on yellow, etc), or try to emulate the "chevron" pattern in some way.


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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 09:09:14 »
Possibly a silly idea, and not sure if/how it'd drive up costs, but maybe instead of plain white lettering you could use the white/pink/cyan/brown/black from a "modern pride flag" -- either assigning a specific letter color to each keycap color (pink on blue, brown on yellow, etc), or try to emulate the "chevron" pattern in some way.

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Thank you for a good idea, I'll try

Offline jamster

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 09:13:53 »
This is still essentially Handerbeit.

Offline Julia

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 09:50:49 »
Big fan of the blue! If you ever make a set with that color, I'd be interested!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 10:13:31 »
Ahhhhh a LGBT set by a non lgbt who is seeking their acceptance. Surprised this didn’t happen until 2020

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 10:26:34 »
Would like to see non-binary symbols for novelties.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 10:45:47 »
Ahhhhh a LGBT set by a non lgbt who is seeking their acceptance. Surprised this didn’t happen until 2020
i don't think that's a problem tho, he just want to support them
« Last Edit: Mon, 27 July 2020, 10:51:40 by Paputcher »

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:02:16 »
Ahhhhh a LGBT set by a non lgbt who is seeking their acceptance. Surprised this didn’t happen until 2020
i don't think that's a problem tho, he just want to support them
Well, it's not much of a support if the money goes into his pocket. In general profiting off of support for a marginalised group one doesn't belong to without any of the money going to that group is... not the best, or rather it's less supporting someone and more profiting off of their marginalisation.

Also that novelty which I can only assume is meant to symbolise nonbinary people seriously needs work.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:27:31 »
this seems like a blatant cash grab on top of exploiting the lgbtq community

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:37:55 »
Ahhhhh a LGBT set by a non lgbt who is seeking their acceptance. Surprised this didn’t happen until 2020
i don't think that's a problem tho, he just want to support them

Intent =/= impact. Many people don't understand this. Good intentions aren't enough when the impact of the action falls short, or in the worse scenarios, causes harm.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:40:58 »
this seems like a blatant cash grab on top of exploiting the lgbtq community

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totally 1000% agree. The fact that this set dosnt contribute any funds to any sort of charity out the gate is a huge red flag.

However I will say that whether or not OP is LGTBQ shouldnt matter at all if hes making this keycap set. "You can only participate in pride if you're one of us" is such a stupid thiughtprocess and not how you advance your cause
« Last Edit: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:42:58 by GalaxyDynamite »

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:42:42 »
I would like to see what someone who is actually an LGBTQ+ person thinks about the novelties.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:42:44 »
this seems like a blatant cash grab on top of exploiting the lgbtq community

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:49:45 »
I would like to see what someone who is actually an LGBTQ+ person thinks about the novelties.

The Out and Proud one is ok, the man/woman public bathroom signs are a strange and not ideal choice and the half man half woman one which I can only assume is meant to represent trans and/or nonbinary people is extremely not great. Honestly none of those on their own make me think queer/LGBTQIA+. One of them is just Swiss flag.
Maybe you should have queer people at the very least consulting on any queer related project.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:54:00 »
As a gay person myself, I think the novelties are lacking a lot. The out and proud is okay but the man, woman, and then gender neutral symbols remind me of a bathroom stall. I think there's a lot more to the LGBTQ+ community then just the fact that we are attracted to the same gender. There's a lot of vibrant culture and art and I think if you should get a queer artist to design some novelties that better represent us and the joy of PRIDE. I think overall from design, execution, proceeds, this needs to involve actual queer people. I appreciate that your heart is in the right place but it's reading a bit off and bit of a saviour complex to me

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 11:55:01 »
As a gay person myself, I think the novelties are lacking a lot. The out and proud is okay but the man, woman, and then gender neutral symbols remind me of a bathroom stall. I think there's a lot more to the LGBTQ+ community then just the fact that we are attracted to the same gender. There's a lot of vibrant culture and art and I think if you should get a queer artist to design some novelties that better represent us and the joy of PRIDE. I think overall from design, execution, proceeds, this needs to involve actual queer people. I appreciate that your heart is in the right place but it's reading a bit off and bit of a saviour complex to me

Also is the Swiss Flag/Plus sign supposed to represent....aids?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:11:46 »
Agree that making personal profit out of this is super shady.

I don't think the novelties add any sort of meaning or value. Are people supposed pick... their gender? The gender they're attracted to? I'm nb, I've always hated the half skirt/half pants icon. The tough part is a lot of LGBTQ+ iconography relies on multiple colors, which is not practical for injection molded novelties. Flag artisans could be really cool, though.

Good luck!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:36:43 »
Possibly a silly idea, and not sure if/how it'd drive up costs, but maybe instead of plain white lettering you could use the white/pink/cyan/brown/black from a "modern pride flag" -- either assigning a specific letter color to each keycap color (pink on blue, brown on yellow, etc), or try to emulate the "chevron" pattern in some way.

That would make the set look way too busy and uneven. Plain white legends work much better on these colors.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:39:29 »
Hey OP, appreciate the attempt at an LGBTQ+ themed key set. A set like this would be great for introducing new people into the community.

However, looking at the novelties and your description, I think you should learn more about the LGBTQ+ community and make revisions. It doesn’t look good on the keyboard community if we are to support and release a set like this as it shows we don’t know much about the cause and communities we’re trying to support.

The LGBTQ+ community is quite diverse and there are a lot of complicated issues involved. The novelties especially may alienate people who identify as trans or non-binary, and the lack of colours for other identities such as transgender and asexual leaves those groups out.

I’m not familiar with resources you can use, but the 519 Community Centre in Toronto, Canada has been useful for me: https://www.the519.org/education-training/glossary

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:47:30 »
My thoughts as a gay guy:

I would like to see what someone who is actually an LGBTQ+ person thinks about the novelties.

I agree with what others have said that the novelties are a bit narrow in their representation of gender. Can women not wear pants? Is a person that wears a dress necessarily a woman? Can a person only be a man, a woman, or one third gender in the middle? Also, visually, they really do give off a 'bathroom' vibe that is separately off-putting to me. I think the "out and proud" enter is okay. "Love is love" would be worth considering as well. The former is more about pride and the latter is more about LGBTQ+ equality / marriage equity. Regarding the "+" novelty, I think the thought is in the right place, but I find it visually uninteresting. Regarding the gender symbol novelties, I would scrap them as well. In addition to not including the hybrid gender symbols which include features of both the gender binary male and female symbols, they still are evocative of the gender binary that is somewhat counter to the set's theme. I am by no means a graphic designer, so while I feel qualified to say that the novelties aren't hitting the mark, I'm not at all qualified to offer a better alternative, which I admit isn't super helpful.

this seems like a blatant cash grab on top of exploiting the lgbtq community

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totally 1000% agree. The fact that this set dosnt contribute any funds to any sort of charity out the gate is a huge red flag.

However I will say that whether or not OP is LGTBQ shouldnt matter at all if hes making this keycap set. "You can only participate in pride if you're one of us" is such a stupid thiughtprocess and not how you advance your cause

It is always a little suspicious when a new account launches an IC. I agree that it is particularly off-putting in this case for the aforementioned reasons. If the theme of the set is support for the LGBTQ+ community, at least some significant portion of the profits should follow suit. If it were just a rainbow colored set, it would be different. However, because OP is going with an LGBTQ+ support theme, I would find it disingenuous if a portion of the profits do not go to an LGBTQ+ supporting charity.

I agree that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with OP not being a member of the LGBTQ+ community. You absolutely do not have to be LGBTQ+ to be an ally or advocate. That being said, being a good ally does require some work. The initial name of the set, the novelties, the low-effort description in the original post, and the lack of profit donation to me indicate that OP did not make an effort to consult with any LGBTQ+ people before posting the IC.

As a gay person myself, I think the novelties are lacking a lot. The out and proud is okay but the man, woman, and then gender neutral symbols remind me of a bathroom stall. I think there's a lot more to the LGBTQ+ community then just the fact that we are attracted to the same gender. There's a lot of vibrant culture and art and I think if you should get a queer artist to design some novelties that better represent us and the joy of PRIDE. I think overall from design, execution, proceeds, this needs to involve actual queer people. I appreciate that your heart is in the right place but it's reading a bit off and bit of a saviour complex to me

+1. Definitely recommend consulting with LGBTQ+ designers for the novelties. They really need to be re-done.


On to my other thoughts:

1.) LGBTQ+ issues aside, I have a significant plagiarism concern. Signature Plasics has for a long time made a set called "DSA 'Rainbow." This is the exact same layout of keycap colors with white double-shot legends instead of black sublimation. I do realize, as has been said in other IC's, that similarity is inevitable as there are only so many colors and we will eventually reach a point where there aren't many new color combinations. That being said, whether intentional or not, this is extremely similar to the Signature Plastics set in a way that makes me a little uncomfortable.

2.) The set isn't my aesthetic. There is nothing wrong with this, obviously. I think the pride flag can be a difficult thing to work with when designing. I personally bought GMK Midnight Rainbow to be my personal pride set, as it's subdued character is much more my taste. The annual Nike Be True collection is released each June by Nike, and similarly features a lot of black and more subdued use of the rainbow that I personally think is more elegant. Importantly, Nike financially supports LGBTQ+ groups. If profit donation is added and the novelties are appropriately updated, I'll buy this set anyway though.

3.) You need a blue R4 1u Fn key for HHKB/split right shift. For a set like this, it's very important that you are careful to include enough keycaps to maintain the alignment of colors. Even though R4 profile is used in two rows, you can't mix and match them because of the color.

4.) Generally, try to include more detailed color information. Not doing so makes your IC look a little under-baked/rushed. Especially because of how many colors are used here, try to include color codes for stock colors, pantone colors for anything custom, etc.

5.) One more thing about the novelties: where are they supposed to go? Are all of the red ones supposed to go in the function row and all of the orange ones supposed to go in the number row? Does that mean they're all R1 profile? This is a separate issue from the appropriateness of the legends. None of them are purple, so none of them are well suited to the bottom row. Personally I almost only ever put my novelties on the bottom row or as my escape key.

6.) Hot take: cut out the numpad support. Maybe it's just me, but I've never used any of my GMK numpad keycaps, even though every set I own includes them. In this case, I think it's a very logical thing to cut. The add and enter keys for the numpad to not fit into the color rows that are so central to this set's design. It looks weird, and for that reason I wouldn't put this set on a full-size board even if I owned one. Furthermore, cutting out the numpad may help to offset the cost of using so many colors.

7.) ISO users please weigh in here: would you use this knowing the enter key won't align with the color rows? I feel like I couldn't live with that for similar reasons to my thoughts on the numpad, which leads me to say it should be cut, but I am an ANSI user so shouldn't speak on your behalf.

I know that was a lot. I think this set has a lot of potential, but it also needs a lot of work. Thank you for attending my TED Talk.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:47:42 »
People getting offended?

How about KAM Felix Argyle as a warm up.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:48:40 »
Hey OP, appreciate the attempt at an LGBTQ+ themed key set. A set like this would be great for introducing new people into the community.

However, looking at the novelties and your description, I think you should learn more about the LGBTQ+ community and make revisions. It doesn’t look good on the keyboard community if we are to support and release a set like this as it shows we don’t know much about the cause and communities we’re trying to support.

The LGBTQ+ community is quite diverse and there are a lot of complicated issues involved. The novelties especially may alienate people who identify as trans or non-binary, and the lack of colours for other identities such as transgender and asexual leaves those groups out.

I’m not familiar with resources you can use, but the 519 Community Centre in Toronto, Canada has been useful for me: https://www.the519.org/education-training/glossary

With how diverse the LGBT community is nowadays and people creating new flags and logos for literally everything it's probably impossible to make everyone happy :D

But I agree that the current novelties are a bit bland. There could be some more stuff in there.
Some extra kits in like trans and bi flag colors might be a nice idea but in the end every extra color will increase the sets price.
So staying with the "original" six colors might not be the worst idea after all.

1.) LGBTQ+ issues aside, I have a significant plagiarism concern. Signature Plasics has for a long time made a set called "DSA 'Rainbow." This is the exact same layout of keycap colors with white double-shot legends instead of black sublimation. I do realize, as has been said in other IC's, that similarity is inevitable as there are only so many colors and we will eventually reach a point where there aren't many new color combinations. That being said, whether intentional or not, this is extremely similar to the Signature Plastics set in a way that makes me a little uncomfortable.

I don't think that Signature Plastics (or anyone else in particular) has a copyright on a rainbow colored keycap set.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:49:35 »
The novelties especially may alienate people who identify as trans or non-binary, and the lack of colours for other identities such as transgender and asexual leaves those groups out.

I wouldn't personally worry too much about colours for specific orientation/gender identities. It is literally impossible to cover every single one in a set like this and going with the rainbow flag which is generally accepted as a catch all umbrella symbol for the entire queer/LGBTQAI+ community is the simplest solution, otherwise you always end up with someone being left out. I would love to see the flag be the Philly Pride or the Progress Pride one, but sadly that wouldn't really work in this form factor.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:58:56 »
Yeah the whole LGBTQ+ community is honestly a land mine and I wouldn’t even try to get into that sphere... But OP should at least try harder if he’s gonna try IMO.

A set that’s just rainbow without the novelties with proceeds supporting an org he thinks best supports the community would be much better.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 13:17:24 »
Hey everyone! I have read all the opinions and concluded that I will redesign the novelties, I'll try to be more careful with that. Regarding giving funds to charities, I'm planning on doing that but I don't have any vendors right now. Please give me some time to reach out them and I'll see what I can do. Sorry for the inconvenience created!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 14:53:25 »
As someone who is a part of the LGBTQ+, I agree with the sentiments posted here. Interested in seeing a redesign!
Kinda makes me want to try making an LGBTQ+ theme myself lol

Looking forward to following this idea. It has a lot of potential :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 15:18:27 »
I agree with most of what has been said by others already and I'm pleased that you're going to take it on board.

I would say that rather than approaching this with the thought of "I'll go to vendors and then see what I can do" think rather "I'm going to give profits from this set to charity, I'll approach vendors with that and negotiate around it".

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 17:44:20 »
I appreciate the sentiment, but this looks a little rough at this point. And OMIGOD, those colors. Been out and proud 30 yrs (before it was cool) and I gotta say those colors only look good on the flag (just). Jae ran a spectacular set a few months back here- https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106793.0, that used the pride colors, but as legends so as not to blind passersby. Not sure if you're locked into that design but maybe tone it down with pastels or color legends on white.
In any event, good luck! I am anxious to see how this pans out.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 19:50:10 »
LGBT person here, I really like the idea behind the set, but the execution is a little eh. The novelties are a great idea and could easily be expanded to cover at bare minimum the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, and Trans flags for starters. And I don't think the white font looks good on the flag colors, but I'm not sure how to fix that 🤔

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 20:14:50 »
This ain't it. not nice.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 20:15:05 »
well this is one of the worst things i've seen in nearly a decade in keyboards
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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 23:00:10 »
Well aside from the... awkward presentation of the inspiration behind the set, my biggest worry is how the color scheme limits the compatibility of the set. The colors already give it a disorganized look and if you tried to put the current kit on some smaller form factor layouts, the colors wouldn't line up right (anything with clusters or columns like 75%). And adding the extra colors would be redundant and add to the expense of the set. Horizontal sets just have this problem which is why they tend to be more hassle than they are worth. 

I am not going to suggest that you completely scrap the set. Keep working on it because you may find a solution to these problems. BUT... if I were someone that wanted to add Pride material to the community, another idea would be like a nice peripheral bundle. Pride deskmats, artisans with like an enamel pride flag, custom cables, some nice vinyl stickers. I think those would be an awesome accent that can coordinate with a lot of keebs, keycaps and desks. Especially since a lot of people have RGB lol. And those items have a lot higher profit margins so a greater amount can be donated to Pride organizations while leaving a little left for yourself for your time and effort. Something to think about.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 00:21:44 »
With anything that starts off on footing this wrong, it's better to just scrap the idea and start over with something that you have more familiarity with, and has less in the way of potential cultural landmines for the uninitiated.


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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 02:02:15 »
Man, this whole thing is uncanny as hell; it made me pull a really funny looking face at my monitor. You applied the pride flag to a keyboard set in the most unimaginative way possible, came up with the most half-assed and uncomfortable set of novelties I've ever seen, then put it up with the immediate thought of "talking to vendors".

The fact that the main set itself is unimaginative isn't necessarily the problem; it wouldn't surprise me if some people would actually like to own a set similar to the main kit. But in terms of a whole package, a "Pride" set, you're not in a position to do it justice. Step back from this and let people who belong to that community do it justice. They're gonna do it a lot more passionately than you have here.

Also, I'm glad you said that you've said that you intended to donate all profits to certain charities after someone else so kindly brought it up. I read your OP before you had any mention of it, and I was gonna call you some nasty words for that.

P.S., as a general comment: half-baked ideas are best left in the oven.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 02:26:45 »
Personally, I think we got trolled here. One week old account this was the third post and the first two were a single sentence or totally redacted. IC was so off base in so many ways, it reminded me of the Simpsons thread.

3500 views on this thread so far, whatever that means.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 02:39:56 »
Personally, I think we got trolled here. One week old account this was the third post and the first two were a single sentence or totally redacted. IC was so off base in so many ways, it reminded me of the Simpsons thread.

3500 views on this thread so far, whatever that means.
You could be right. I find it really hard to tell though; I think the same about a large % of ICs I see, and they always turn out to be serious.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 02:50:07 »
You could be right. I find it really hard to tell though; I think the same about a large % of ICs I see, and they always turn out to be serious.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 02:53:50 »
I am not going to suggest that you completely scrap the set. Keep working on it because you may find a solution to these problems. BUT... if I were someone that wanted to add Pride material to the community, another idea would be like a nice peripheral bundle. Pride deskmats, artisans with like an enamel pride flag, custom cables, some nice vinyl stickers. I think those would be an awesome accent that can coordinate with a lot of keebs, keycaps and desks. Especially since a lot of people have RGB lol. And those items have a lot higher profit margins so a greater amount can be donated to Pride organizations while leaving a little left for yourself for your time and effort. Something to think about.

I would love deskmats in various pride flag colours so much. My wallet wouldn't because I'd feel the need to get at least five and I'm not sure how realistic a GB with that many options would be, but still absolutely something I need in my life.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 06:34:57 »
I think the intent to help is there. but, somehow got lost in the wording. creating a keycap set to bring awareness is a unique take on it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 08:25:52 »
So, something like this ended up being controversial. Who would have guessed?

With anything that starts off on footing this wrong, it's better to just scrap the idea and start over with something that you have more familiarity with, and has less in the way of potential cultural landmines for the uninitiated.

Agreed ^

BTW, what was the original name?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 09:12:51 »
So, something like this ended up being controversial. Who would have guessed?

With anything that starts off on footing this wrong, it's better to just scrap the idea and start over with something that you have more familiarity with, and has less in the way of potential cultural landmines for the uninitiated.

Agreed ^

BTW, what was the original name?

GMK Gender Equality.

I think the general idea behind topic was very well received, it was just the proposed execution and too many weird artefacts in the OP made it fall flat.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 29 July 2020, 17:18:36 »
Updated it a bit by people's requests, It is hard to make all the people like this set, but I will try my best to make everyone happy(which is hard to do)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 29 July 2020, 17:42:56 »
I highly suggest you take a look at how GMK Coral Relief was ran. The GB runner was very clear that his set was inspired by coral reefs and fully transparent on the amount he would gain and donate.

Your set is directly based off of the LBGTQ+ community so personally I feel that any donation less than 100% of profits (minus expenses such as working wage, of course) would be distasteful. But that's just me.

I think you are treading on dangerous waters and risk being seen as manipulating a sensitive topic to make money off of the way your thread is framed currently.

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« Reply #67 on: Thu, 30 July 2020, 20:42:32 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 30 July 2020, 22:20:21 »
I like this, definitely somewhat interested.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 20:58:36 »
I have a soft spot for GMK sets connected to a good cause. The idea behind this set rocks and if there was a NorDe Kit, I would defo buy it. The runner should consider donating or even ask for permission in case the pride founders have reserved rights. Hope this materializes and if there is a donation component to this, I will strongly consider grabbing a deskmat.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 16:25:34 »
After some thinking I have came to a conclusion that I won't do any novelties or Accent Kit related to this set because it don't fit. It's very hard to please everyone so I'll work with only on kit. Also I added a R3 1.75 Control after community feedback. Please share your thoughts regarding this
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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 07:01:03 »
Update:
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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 14:36:11 »
Ffs. Why do some people always seem to assume the worst? "Cashgrab." Why would there necessarily need to be profit? It is possible to design/sell keysets without profit/at cost. "OP is not donating any money." Is money really the only way to support? Half of it will be swallowed anyway by some charity. Does raising awareness mean nothing?

I'm not saying the set was anywhere near well designed, there were many questionable aspects or plain bad choices and the OP should have consulted someone before starting the IC. But I would personally assume their intentions are good. And honestly, in this current state I quite like it - very colourful and fun. Comparisons to the messy ugliness of Handarbeit are way off.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 16:22:53 »
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume a set is being designed to not be sold at a loss unless stated otherwise (and marginalised people don't get the luxury of always assuming the best of people). Charities having running costs isn't really an argument against giving them money, especially since you can do research and choose ones with low overhead. Is money the only way to support? No! But I see people talking about awareness and I have to ask: Awareness of what? Is this set raising awareness of the current situation in Poland? The disproportionate homelessness and suicide rate among trans youth? The high rates of domestic abuse against bisexuals? The fact gay men aren't allowed to donate blood? I can see none of that in the set. Maybe it's awareness that queer people exist, which I'd like to think is generally the one issue we've got mostly covered by now?

Just because someone tries to be an ally and has good intentions, doesn't mean what they do is right or helpful or that their feelings matter more than actual queer opinions and that they should be shielded from criticism. There's been an ongoing discussion about pride merchandise in the queer community for years now and the broad consensus is that selling marginalised people merch capitalising on that marginalisation and the need to fight against it without actually providing any material support is bad. Most of the merch is aimed at queer people anyway, non-queer allies rarely deck themselves out in rainbows. So you're selling queer people a way to express solidarity to each other and a symbol of defiance towards marginalisation and oppression, which... is cool, but maybe money towards charities that actually help fight the results of that oppression would help more, especially when, again, it's mostly queer money paying for that rainbow merch.

With all of that said I do think that this set has managed to do something amazing and deserving of praise and something that all of the people going "But isn't showing support enough on its own?" in this thread kinda keep circling around but can't really express. What OP managed to do is start a discussion that made it clear that our community is a pretty welcoming and accepting space. And that's huge. Having an explicit acknowledgement that queer people won't get attacked, ridiculed, or ostracised in the same way that's sadly common many other places on the internet is really important and while somewhat awkward and misguided in many ways, the set and the thread connected to it manage to succeed at that and it means a lot. (But doesn't necessarily erase any of the previously stated concerns. Also to all of the allies here, you can do stuff like that even without selling products.)

And props to Blamby for being willing to listen and take all the criticism into consideration. I know it can feel really bad to have an idea torn down when all you want to do is help, but willingness to listen and prioritise the voices of the people you're an ally to over your own feelings is a sign of a good ally (and generally a good person). Also I really like the new renders, they make the set look great and I really hope it makes it into GB phase and is successful. The start might have been bit rocky but I think this set has managed to recover well and is turning into something most of us can be happy with.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 20 August 2020, 20:43:02 »
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume a set is being designed to not be sold at a loss unless stated otherwise (and marginalised people don't get the luxury of always assuming the best of people). Charities having running costs isn't really an argument against giving them money, especially since you can do research and choose ones with low overhead. Is money the only way to support? No! But I see people talking about awareness and I have to ask: Awareness of what? Is this set raising awareness of the current situation in Poland? The disproportionate homelessness and suicide rate among trans youth? The high rates of domestic abuse against bisexuals? ....

And props to Blamby for being willing to listen and take all the criticism into consideration. I know it can feel really bad to have an idea torn down when all you want to do is help, but willingness to listen and prioritise the voices of the people you're an ally to over your own feelings is a sign of a good ally (and generally a good person). Also I really like the new renders, they make the set look great and I really hope it makes it into GB phase and is successful. The start might have been bit rocky but I think this set has managed to recover well and is turning into something most of us can be happy with.

I just want to say thank you for saying all this I wholeheartedly agree! I think this set is super pleasant in that it started a convo! Sometimes we forget that there are people behind the things we see online and that can lead to bullying and things. I'm glad that OP is willing to work with donations and vendors.

P.S. if it somehow incorporated the BIPOC rainbow flag / new pride flag I would love it more! Especially as a black trans woman, I know that's asking a lot though because that's so much added color but even if it was one novelty or something I think that's a great and already agreed upon good all inclusive representation.

As for "Out and Proud" that just feels antiquated and icky. I mean you can be both "out" and 'proud" but together it just sounds like a gay meme.
Honestly if it said "No U" i think you'd get a lot more love on this set XD. Maybe opening up a form for recommendations for phrases.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #75 on: Fri, 21 August 2020, 03:15:31 »
Man, I feel sorry for you. You came up with a design for a set which looks quite nice, expressed your support to some group of people you don't belong to and... got publicly shamed into promising to do things that you didn't intend to do initially. You are the author and there's nothing wrong with getting paid for the work you did. It's up to you whether to give some part of proceeds to some charity or not. That decision shouldn't be forced on you by entitled mob. Plenty of sets are capitalizing on some well known products, brands, names, etc. Some license it, most don't. Some decide to donate some part of the proceeds for some cause, most don't. Market will decide whether your set will see the light or not. You are giving the people who want to express themselves and make a statement through their keyset an opportunity to do it. The value of this proposition by itself is already good. If they want the set with no strings attached, they will buy it. If they want to make demands, blame and shame - well, they will kill a product that would have looked great on hundreds of keyboards of proud members of the community. The choice is theirs.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 21 August 2020, 04:01:05 »
As an LGBTQ person (bisexual + nonbinary/trans) I actually like this a lot. The colors you chose look nice together, and I'm even more impressed now with the addition of the nice renders :>

Please, don't let the angry masses get you down or pressure you into **** you aren't comfortable or happy doing. You have just as much of a right to run this GB as any other designer does to their own designs, as long as you aren't totally ignorant or somehow bigoted in your handling of it as someone outside the community (which, from what I've seen, doesn't seem to be the case?)

I'll be keeping an eye on this IC for sure, though. Best of luck to you, OP, I'm rooting for this GB to succeed 🏳️‍🌈
 
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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 21 August 2020, 05:31:43 »
https://prototypist.net/products/group-buy-gmk-midnight-rainbow-keyset
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102286.0


Was ran recently in regards to supporting pride in case you were not aware of the set, not sure if any of the profit for that set was donated though

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 21 August 2020, 06:24:48 »
GMK Midnight Rainbow did not donate any proceeds afaik. But it was also a set that was inspired by Pride, but not necessarily meant to be specifically explicitly Pride themed or intended to raise awareness. It was just a rainbow set. Proving that you can make a rainbow set and nobody will complain. (And not everything rainbow is automatically queer.)

It's when you make a set that's supposed to support a certain group of people that members of that group might come out and say "Here's how you could support us better" which I think is... good? And characterising marginalised people having opinions about things that relate to their marginalisation and the fight against it as angry, mean, and ungrateful is not great if you belong to the same group, and really bad if you don't.

Which isn't to say you can't disagree with the position of all the queer people speaking here (providing you're queer yourself, if you're an ally this isn't an issue that affects you and your voice can be better used elsewhere). The argument is that queer people are marginalised by non-queer people, denied opportunities, more likely to suffer from mental health issues, be homeless, driven to substance abuse, be in financial trouble, or just be killed. Pride is a symbol of defiance in face of all of that. It's not our orientations or gender identities being inherently something to be proud of, it's being proud of them as an act of rebellion against the systems that tells us to be ashamed. And non-queer people looking at this, taking our stories, telling them in their voices and profiting off of them is less helpful than some might think, and this includes selling us stuff with rainbows on it so we can display solidarity to each other while non-queer people take the money.

The counterargument to all of this is - if you're gonna buy a GMK set someone's gonna take that money anyway and at least this one has a pretty rainbow on it. What some people call rainbow capitalism is no different than regular capitalism and getting angry about it as a special kind of issue is kinda silly. We should be glad it's deemed profitable to market to us, that wasn't the case not so long ago.

And I personally agree with the second position more than the first one, I'd rather Pepsi have rainbows on it then to pretend I don't deserve to exist. But if you want to produce something like a keycap set with the explicit intention of supporting the queer/LBGTQIA+ community, might just as well try to do so in the most effective way possible.

Either way I think we all agree that the set looks much better now (again, I really like the current version) and that leaving out the original novelties was a good call. I think OP should be compensated for their labour, but I also think that donating to charity would not only help us more than just selling us a thing, but would also mean way more as a gesture of inclusivity and could help drive awareness of actual queer issues (which ones depends on the charity chosen) much stronger than just a rainbow set. We've manufactured pieces of plastic to help fight the climate change, we've raised money for a breast cancer charity, for Elephant preservation, this community is no stranger doing stuff like this and it would be awesome if we could see this set the ranks of other cool charitable sets.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 22 August 2020, 06:19:31 »
https://prototypist.net/products/group-buy-gmk-midnight-rainbow-keyset
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102286.0


Was ran recently in regards to supporting pride in case you were not aware of the set, not sure if any of the profit for that set was donated though


It was heavily inspired by pride and supportive of the movement in general but not a set in support of pride financially. Note there were no designer royalties for midnight rainbow either.


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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 22 August 2020, 08:18:57 »
Added a IC Form

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 24 August 2020, 04:37:38 »
Update:
Arranged and corrected the base kit

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 06 September 2020, 20:02:23 »

7.) ISO users please weigh in here: would you use this knowing the enter key won't align with the color rows? I feel like I couldn't live with that for similar reasons to my thoughts on the numpad, which leads me to say it should be cut, but I am an ANSI user so shouldn't speak on your behalf.

ISO user here (full disclosure: straight man).

If I were to use this set, the 2U-tall keys just can't be avoided — I'd ensure they all are consistent into "bleeding down" or, better, "bleeding up". Given the numpad has a purple Enter that bleeds into the blue row, and a green plus key that bleeds into the yellow row, I'd make the ISO Enter green instead of blue, to keep the styling consistent. That, or go with a white ISO Enter key.

(edit: typo)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #83 on: Sun, 06 September 2020, 20:08:03 »
Quick note: the kit, as it stands now, is missing the (green) R3 \| for proper ISO support (otherwise, there'd be a naked switch).

Also, it's not entirely clear to me that the red `~ key is necessary, given the one color per row design rule (orange Esc does need to remain).

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 08 September 2020, 08:37:56 »
Update:
Corrected the Base Kit by adding a missing keycap for ISO support, changed the color of the ISO enter and deleted the red `~ .

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 10 September 2020, 06:16:48 »
Quick note: the kit, as it stands now, is missing the (green) R3 \| for proper ISO support (otherwise, there'd be a naked switch).

Also, it's not entirely clear to me that the red `~ key is necessary, given the one color per row design rule (orange Esc does need to remain).
Thank you!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #86 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 02:38:29 »
Update:
Reached out the vendors I want to colaborate with

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 11:03:54 »
I would recommend changing the colors for red and purple as they are rather muted currently compared to the flag where they are brighter.

Reconsider the way you have written your inspiration section, i get the goal and it is a very nice goal but the issue is that the way you have written it is kinda red flagish.

Hope you take this into consideration!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 13:20:16 »
UPDATE:
Showed the charity organizations and the amount donated

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 13:23:36 »
Awesome, can't wait for the GB. I wish every IC and GB on GeekHack would come with updates this regular, thorough, and to the point.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 14:02:07 »
Hard pass.  Sexual preference doesn't need to make it's way into every corner of life and the things ppl are into.  You don't see much if any interest in key sets being made for whites, blacks, Hispanics, or variants such as trans or those ppl who identify as roosters or dandelions so I cannot see any need for this.  But if poster is to go down that road, there's already a lot of rainbow keysets out there so I suggest focusing on FG novelties lol....

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 12:28:17 »
Same for me. At least in my country I don't see LGBT... "community" to be mistreated, but rather I see them spreading their dubious agenda everywhere, even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).

And people already mentioned existing rainbow-themed sets, not sure if we need another one.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #92 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 13:43:53 »
Same for me. At least in my country I don't see LGBT... "community" to be mistreated, but rather I see them spreading their dubious agenda everywhere, even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).

And people already mentioned existing rainbow-themed sets, not sure if we need another one.

Oh you don't see it, then it must not exist.


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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 14:05:56 »
Hard pass.  Sexual preference doesn't need to make it's way into every corner of life and the things ppl are into.  You don't see much if any interest in key sets being made for whites, blacks, Hispanics, or variants such as trans or those ppl who identify as roosters or dandelions so I cannot see any need for this.  But if poster is to go down that road, there's already a lot of rainbow keysets out there so I suggest focusing on FG novelties lol....

Same for me. At least in my country I don't see LGBT... "community" to be mistreated, but rather I see them spreading their dubious agenda everywhere, even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).

And people already mentioned existing rainbow-themed sets, not sure if we need another one.

Link a rainbow GMK keyset that I can buy right now for $130 or however much GB's run at now, you won't 😩✊
This is why Dolch is ran so many times, it's not readily available as a new set 24/7.


IC responses may be negative but they should bring up a change to the item that may be helpful.
Although you both did that to an extent by helping us all know that you're both idiots.
BOOMISHOTYOU's comments don't need to make it into the corner of anyone's life and hopefully after this, no country in existence will have to see child's useless IC additions.


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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #94 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 17:29:42 »
even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).

Skip over every double-d anime set too then while you are there.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 30 September 2020, 02:22:57 »
IC responses may be negative but they should bring up a change to the item that may be helpful.
Although you both did that to an extent by helping us all know that you're both idiots.
BOOMISHOTYOU's comments don't need to make it into the corner of anyone's life and hopefully after this, no country in existence will have to see child's useless IC additions.

That is exactly the kind of supportive and gentle response I'd expect from "mistreated" LGBT community.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 30 September 2020, 02:30:31 »
IC responses may be negative but they should bring up a change to the item that may be helpful.
Although you both did that to an extent by helping us all know that you're both idiots.
BOOMISHOTYOU's comments don't need to make it into the corner of anyone's life and hopefully after this, no country in existence will have to see child's useless IC additions.

That is exactly the kind of supportive and gentle response I'd expect from "mistreated" LGBT community.
Because people who get mistreated and abused must always be nice and can’t be bitter towards trolls who could just go do other stuff than complain about people demanding human rights being shady agenda in threads clearly not aimed at them.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #97 on: Thu, 01 October 2020, 17:24:33 »
That is exactly the kind of supportive and gentle response I'd expect from "mistreated" LGBT community.

Nowhere in my last comment did I mention anything about the LGBT community.
I did reference your use of it as to why no country in existence should have to see your useless IC additions though.

Your issue seems to be more with them than it is about there being too many rainbow keysets.
Still waiting for that link to purchase one of the many rainbow keysets you speak of 🧐


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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #98 on: Thu, 01 October 2020, 17:42:58 »
That is exactly the kind of supportive and gentle response I'd expect from "mistreated" LGBT community.

Nowhere in my last comment did I mention anything about the LGBT community.
I did reference your use of it as to why no country in existence should have to see your useless IC additions though.

Your issue seems to be more with them than it is about there being too many rainbow keysets.
Still waiting for that link to purchase one of the many rainbow keysets you speak of 🧐
Child is a fitting username eh?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #99 on: Thu, 08 October 2020, 17:08:25 »
I really like the set. As an ISO user I would convert to ANSI (just for this board) to keep it cleaner (a reason why I'm not interested in novelties). With regards to people saying that you don't need rainbows on everything I'd like to point out that that's one reason I'd love it on my keyboard because it's not (at least in my case) going to be see in public.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 08 October 2020, 20:31:00 »
Same for me. At least in my country I don't see LGBT... "community" to be mistreated, but rather I see them spreading their dubious agenda everywhere, even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).

Do you live in Poland? :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #101 on: Fri, 09 October 2020, 00:42:16 »
This set could use some work
« Last Edit: Sat, 10 October 2020, 04:07:45 by esclab »

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #102 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 15:59:07 »
Update:
GB date reveal

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #103 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:52:33 »
Update:
Showed the secret of the cable collab and changed the IC intro

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #104 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 14:18:58 »
I don't know if it's all ready been said, (i'm lazy and didn't read through the whole thread, sorry) but i think making the rainbow vertically orientated, and like the Jadeite set and some other "gradient" sets might look better, and be a little bit more unique, all though it's probably been done before too.
 
You could make different sets, where the last/main color is different. So, like the jadite, or a better comparison would probably be the 1976 set, but replace the brown/white with whatever color you want to be last in the rainbow (i say purple, or blue, becasue yellow is the worst color ever..)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pride
« Reply #105 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 20:34:21 »
I love this set! And it's such a great message. Would love to see a portion of the proceeds donated to LGBTQA+ organizations.