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PBT Graydient [feedback]
« on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 10:05:33 »
A keycap set design featuring a monochrome ombre, we’d like to gather some feedback prior to posting an official interest check thread

Theme(s)
"Defining the gray area between black and white"
Graydient(tm) is loosely inspired by the design language of contemporary streetwear; a style intersecting at the crossroads of hip hop, skate, and sneakers. We attempt to pay homage to this fashion movement, which has its rebellious roots in 80s and 90s counterculture, that has now swept into the forefront of millennial clothing trends.  A bold monochrome gradient reflects the increasingly gray area between art and commerce, in a time where streetwear is crossing over into luxury brands, with frequent collabs and hyped drops. It's an area not without controversy, including the disputed originality of certain aesthetics; however fashion is inherently grounded in appropriation and inspiration, much like many keycap sets. Fashion is art, and art is controversial. Taking the classic monochrome theme to a fresh direction, we still wanted to cover black and white, but in a creative way.  Like streetwear, we hope this set evokes the experimental edge and spirit of playfulness of modern youth, yet simultaneously acknowledges the incongruence of finding one's authenticity in branded fashion, especially in a scene with a heritage in customizability.
Mirrored community commentary and flowery language aside, this set was simply born out of a pun, and we wanted an excuse to have sub-legends, because we simply like its aesthetic. After all language is art in itself

渋谷 - Shibuya
For those not into streetwear culture, we are consider offering an alternative theme/additional novelty kit/desk mat based around Shibuya crossing - the world's busiest pedestrian crossing located in the heart of Tokyo. Here thousands of pedestrians scramble across five major crosswalks in a modern canyon of neon-colored buildings and eye-bleeding video screens. Claustrophobic pulse of masses of people from all walks of life, students to office workers, all intersect for brief moments within the rhythm of city life. Such a mundane activity being magnified makes for a memorable experience to watch and partake in, and thus it’s not hard to see why this iconic streetscape has even featured in films such as Lost in Translation and Tokyo Drift.
The controlled chaos of Shibuya's "scramble" epitomizes the efficient madness of the cutting-edge city, and this crosswalk has been described as a “great example of what Tokyo does best when it's not trying.” Furthermore it is a famed meeting spot epitomized by a legendary statue of the dog Hachikō. In the 1920s, Hachikō would meet his owner at the Shibuya Station after work every day; however when the owner died unexpectedly, Hachikō still continued to visit the station every day for almost a decade, loyally waiting for his return <3.

Having two themes within one set is a bit experimental, and might not work, but we're going to give it a go!

Renders

E8.5 By Exclusive
Kindly visit http://graydient.myportfolio.com/ for older renders on other keyboards too!


Kits

Core - Street Edition
Note - under construction! Render colour calibration and kitting incomplete

Core - Shibuya Edition

Add-on

Novelties

?Alternative Alphas/Mods


Desk Mats
Note: All designs are preliminary/WIP. Orange fragile label will also be an actual removable sticker
Insane in the Membrane

Other ideas included: Anti Social Keyboard Club & Anti RGB RGB Club, on an RGB desk mat

Off-Limits


Super Desk


Patented


The Grayed Wave

Note: this one might not be possible...

Off-Brand



Design

※Cherry profile + PBT + Dye subbed legends
Why? A combination of Designers’ personal hipster preference, lead-in manufacturing times, and ability to get prototype samples for QC. Dyesub will also let us utilise a custom typeface with sharper edges.[/size]

※Colors: Cool Gray Pantone codes
Disclaimer: We’re working on refining the lighting in our renders to better reflect the shades as well as possible. Some renders are out of date in terms of colors, fonts and legends,  but we’ll rectify these as soon as we can.

※Modifiers/Novelty Design
Terminology by streetwear enthusiasts is incorporated throughout as a tongue-in-cheek nod to a parallel community, where style similarly intersects with comfort and quality; and hype also exaggerates market forces. Novelties also reference oft-featured industrial iconography alongside deconstructed elements, underlined with the iconic ironic self-awareness. So expect simple statement elements, like arrows, diagonal stripes,  terms like グレー (gray), and subtle homages to other brands (i.e. Penrose triangle for Palace; Checkers for Vans).
Hiragana sub-legends also underline the undeniable cross-cultural influence that the Japanese have also had on global streetwear trends too.

※Disclaimer: Graydient's signature logo was initially designed as a reference to the Taiwanese Recycling symbol; satirising how a certain signature fashion symbol for casual clothing derives direct inspiration from Glasgow Airport's signage (albeit unlike us, they did not acknowledge their source)


EDIT: It has just been brought to our attention, the logo could potentially remind those of the swastika, which was not intended. Given this unfortunate coincidence, and sensitivities, we are revising that design element, whilst retaining the negative space of the 4 arrows

※We are aware of the existence of MDA Plastic, but despite having similar inspiration, our execution of it is clearly quite different


To Do List

※Gather Feedback - current
※Kitting
※Novelties
※Consolidate Desk Mats
※Post IC
※More Renders on other board/layouts
※Announce Collabs
※Appoint Vendors
※Announce Pricing
※Announce Group Buy Date



Please let us know what you think!
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 10:32:45 »
finna cop

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 11:35:45 »
As far as gradient keycap sets go, someone form someone who doesn't like them, this one looks pretty good. I would keep the numpad white tho. Great deskmats.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 12:53:37 »
So ignoring the fact that your logo looks a bit like a swastika, the off-white artwork copying is just a bad idea my dude. I suggest canning that one right now.
Additionally, this seems a bit too on the nose on hypebeast stuff. Additionally, the whole "grayscale" gradient thing just doesn't really feel much related to that of the whole streetwear/hypebeast scene. A nice 2-tone set with gray and white with some touches of grey as accents could maybe fit this aesthetic.
I suggest going back to the drawing board on this one and maybe redoing that logo. GLWIC.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 13:22:08 »
So ignoring the fact that your logo looks a bit like a swastika, the off-white artwork copying is just a bad idea my dude. I suggest canning that one right now.
Additionally, this seems a bit too on the nose on hypebeast stuff. Additionally, the whole "grayscale" gradient thing just doesn't really feel much related to that of the whole streetwear/hypebeast scene. A nice 2-tone set with gray and white with some touches of grey as accents could maybe fit this aesthetic.
I suggest going back to the drawing board on this one and maybe redoing that logo. GLWIC.
Appreciate the honest feedback. We'll be changing the logo design.

I can see how it may be a bit too on the nose on the hypebeast theme, hence why in the feedback form we're considering the option of just standard mods as alternative core kit.

The whole streetwear hypebeast scene is mainly BoW, but if we did that, we'd be accused of going into Gok kuro/shiro territory, with only differentiators being novelties and accent keys. It would also look less interesting too because there's a few other gray themed keycap sets in standard patterns. Off-White btw means 'gray' which is what our set represents, so I think the colourway still fits thematically.
We're just going to be 'loosely inspired' by some of its design language, which distilled at its core quite simple. Simple geometric shapes are ineligible for copyright and therefore in the public domain. We're also referencing other known street brands too where there is some overlap in aesthetic language too, so it's not going to be specific to OW.

Note that an alternative theme I did consider twisting this greyscale pattern too was Shibuya Crossing, which might have broader appeal.  (At initial conceptualisation, Gothic statues was an idea we had).
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 13:23:27 »
finna cop
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As far as gradient keycap sets go, someone form someone who doesn't like them, this one looks pretty good. I would keep the numpad white tho. Great deskmats.
Thanks. Understand that Gradient keycap sets aren't for everyone, so that's high praise.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 15:53:31 »
Do you know what Cherry PBT manu you're aiming for? (Infinikey, ePBT, CannonCaps?)

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 16:22:06 »
Do you know what Cherry PBT manu you're aiming for? (Infinikey, ePBT, CannonCaps?)
We're likely aiming for IFK at this stage, partially because we'd like to get prototypes if possible before GB.
Manu has not been locked in, so I would be interested to see what people's opinions are, as we're not clear on the exact differing points between all three, with CannonCaps being relatively newer (I heard they were still missing some compatibility molds for kits beyond core).

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ePBT doesn't do reverse dye sub at this stage, but they would an option on the table too if they did
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 23:11:09 »
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 23:16:21 »
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 11 October 2020, 07:35:40 »
Given potential sensitives with the logo design we chose, we will being updating all renders and relevant desk mats. We're aware there are consistency and legend alignments issues, thus will take the opportunity to try and improve images. We're aiming to iron out issues as much as we can prior to IC.
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 18:21:58 »
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 26 October 2020, 17:10:35 »
I've been wanting a hypebeast set since I missed MDA PLASTIC. Will hop on this, as well as the Membrane and Grayed Wave desk mats.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 10:08:00 »
I'm not gonna lie, when I first saw this set I didn't like the gradient effect but after looking at it a couple more times it started to grow on me. Idk if you are already working on it or not but I would like to see an alphanumeric kit without the sub legends. I like the design a lot and wish the best for your project. def a +1 from me. (just realized that there is alternate alphas in the works)
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 19:38:41 »
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Good first post bro
Nothing wrong with being a first poster. Although I don't really understand the blank emoji and would prefer constructive feedback, thanks for bumping the thread up regardless  :thumb:


I've been wanting a hypebeast set since I missed MDA PLASTIC. Will hop on this, as well as the Membrane and Grayed Wave desk mats.
Excellent to hear! I conceptualised a hypebeast set before MDA Plastic came out for GB on Drop, and although I really really like some of the elements of that design, I thought we could cover the same theme with a different interpretation.

I'm not gonna lie, when I first saw this set I didn't like the gradient effect but after looking at it a couple more times it started to grow on me. Idk if you are already working on it or not but I would like to see an alphanumeric kit without the sub legends. I like the design a lot and wish the best for your project. def a +1 from me. (just realized that there is alternate alphas in the works)
Thank you heaps! Gradients tend to be divisive, but I think Graydient being monochrome helps balance it a bit more compared to other louder gradient colourways.
I honestly would love to release variations of this set with and without sublegends, so consumers can choose their own preference, but it ultimately depends on manufacturer-related kitting/MOQ and interest we get.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 00:09:00 »
Standard mods base kit


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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 13 November 2020, 12:47:28 »
some more excellent deskmats to add to my collection  ;D

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 13 November 2020, 15:19:35 »
LOL I thought that "Under construction" Place holder pic was supposed to be a Desk mat for a sec there.. And i kind of liked it.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 13 November 2020, 16:29:15 »
some more excellent deskmats to add to my collection  ;D
;D Glad to help as a fellow deskmat collector too!

LOL I thought that "Under construction" Place holder pic was supposed to be a Desk mat for a sec there.. And i kind of liked it.
Not gonna lie. I actually had the same thought a few weeks ago when I set this IC up.
Your comment has helped pushed me to reconsider it as an idea. I'll either run it with this keycap groupbuy, or separately in its own GB (and offer a Japanese variant). It would be really cool to have an under construction deskmat given how many ppl are building their own keebs.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 04:17:37 »
This? This one here? I like it. I will throw all the monies at it hoping it will someday appear at my door.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 07 December 2020, 11:18:57 »
Yeah I'm digging this set. I would for sure keep the numpad all white to let it follow the gradient

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 03:22:19 »
This? This one here? I like it. I will throw all the monies at it hoping it will someday appear at my door.
Hi, it will appear one day! We're currently on a break as my co-designer has really important commitments, but when holidays start, we'll be able to make significantly more progress on updating kits, novelties and desk mats.

Yeah I'm digging this set. I would for sure keep the numpad all white to let it follow the gradient
Hi. That's a fair suggestion. Depending on further feedback in IC, we will consider what's most popular. If kitting permits, we might just offer both, as an option for those who have numpad macropads to also have their gradient fun.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:33:16 »
Idea for the pad: Anti Cherry Cherry Club, which I think makes more sense than the membrane one, and looks more similar to antisocial
My feedback on the keycaps: I think the gradient would look nicer if there were more phases of gradient, also it would be nice to see the gradient also cut into the spacebar instead of it being all white, if that's possible. I think the street edition looks better than the shibuya edition as well, the shibuya gradient almost looks blue.
Nice keycaps and pad designs!

I hope I'm doing this right and haven't posted this reply in the wrong place or something, I'm new here

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 16:31:09 »
Idea for the pad: Anti Cherry Cherry Club, which I think makes more sense than the membrane one, and looks more similar to antisocial
My feedback on the keycaps: I think the gradient would look nicer if there were more phases of gradient, also it would be nice to see the gradient also cut into the spacebar instead of it being all white, if that's possible. I think the street edition looks better than the shibuya edition as well, the shibuya gradient almost looks blue.
Nice keycaps and pad designs!

I hope I'm doing this right and haven't posted this reply in the wrong place or something, I'm new here

You're posting a reply in the right place! I'll take that suggestion back and discuss it with my design partner. It does sort of make more sense. We were also considering changing to Anti Deskmat Deskmat Club (Avrocado who designed has given us permission to use the term they phrased for that deskmat GB, for our keycap set GB).
In terms of phases of gradients, we're already using 6 shades of gray... thus somewhat reluctant to add more.
The spacebar having a small hint of the subtle gradient might be a nice idea; being PBT it's possible, but will have to think of the best way to implement this, if people do like it.
Yeah the renders aren't exactly colour calibrated well. The shibuya render is using different pantones of gray that definitely don't appear as blue IRL as in the renders. Still a WIP

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 18 December 2020, 04:07:56 »
You have something here.  I am not a fan of gradient sets but I have to admit that I like this so far. UK ISO would be perfect for me if that is possible.
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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 23:36:40 »
Very interesting concept; I assume the plan is IFK?

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 10:29:36 »
Honestly really like the design of the set.  It's super clean.  The Off-Limits and Super Desk pads are pretty dope too.  They remind me of an insta account @typosters

My problems come with the association with streetwear.  To me, streetwear is not just predominantly black/white but often comes with very bright colors as well.  To play off of that I would want some strong accent color mod options but there has to be a lot of choice because I think grassroots streetwear has a lot of personal choices.  I'll admit I'm only tangent to the scene and my gf isn't in design school anymore so it's frequency as a topic has faded.  The greyscale combined with hiragana(I think?) gives me more techwear vibes, which I more strongly associate with the asian streetwear scene.  Reading some of your other comments, the greyscale definitely feels like hypebeast to me, and your description of co-opting and appropriating feels like it appropriately acknowledges the irony in hypebeast.  If you reframe the kit as a hypebeast kit or techwear kit I think it would jive better with me than just streetwear.

If I'm buying the kit its the Shibuya kit as I like the cooler greys and I'm keeping standard mods.

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 31 December 2020, 21:08:03 »
You've definitely filled the gradient set sized hole in my heart. Have you thought about making the gradient longer(? if that's the right word) so that there are more of the darker colors before the set becomes totally white?

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 31 December 2020, 23:18:24 »
Have you thought about making the gradient longer(? if that's the right word) so that there are more of the darker colors before the set becomes totally white?

That's touched on a few posts up - it would require running the graydient through the spacebar. 

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 31 December 2020, 23:32:02 »
That gradient is really well done!

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Re: PBT Graydient [feedback]
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 01 January 2021, 05:12:00 »
I feel like the keycaps are too cluttered right now, maybe adjust the size on the letters to make it look less cluttered?