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[IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - VIA Hotswap PCB
« on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 21:26:04 »





Named for the Dolores river in Utah and Colorado, this board is a two piece aluminum case with a new type of gasket system that creates a much more even flex across keys and transmits much less vibration to the case.


                - 6061 Aluminum
                - Custom 65% hotswap PCB compatible with VIA in ANSI layout
                - Custom 65% soldered PCB compatible with VIA with ISO, split spacebar, split backspace
                - 12+ Cerakote colors to choose for both top and bottom. Fill out IC form above to request a color
                - Completely hidden screws internal to case
                - 6 degree typing angle
                - Top plate is 6061. Design is FEA optimized for flex with this material so no others will be offered
                - Delivery in Q3-Q4 2021
                - GB likely in March-April. Once my previous GB ships, will run for one month or until sold out
                - First come, first serve to 300 units
                - Price TBD, will be high due to machining complexity
                - Will be available worldwide directly through my website currentkeyboards.com, I use Stripe as a payment system on my GBs without issue



          

                

          

          

          
     

Being a consumer product mechanical engineer, I spent a lot of time in finite element analysis testing different ideas for the top plate gasket system. I quickly found that many of the traditional 6 gasket systems were much too stiff to damp out vibrations and the center alphas were much stiffer than the corners. Some six gasket variations I tested saw the alphas only flexing 20-30% of what the corners flexed. To solve both these issues, I've moved to a much smaller gasket with stiffer lever arms at the corners. The smaller gasket allows more of the vibration energy to be dissipated into it (as counter-intuitive as that sounds). The smaller lever arms on the springs also create a stiffer response to make up for the fact that there are only four of them vs. six and transfer more energy into the now softer/smaller rubber pieces. By moving to the corners only, the center of the board is no longer over-stiffened. Long story short, this translates to a much higher amount of vibration being dissipated into the gaskets and a much more even flex across the top plate, especially the alphas.




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Re: [IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - 30+ cerakote colors - VIA Hotswap PCB
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 21:26:32 »
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Re: [IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - 30+ cerakote colors - VIA Hotswap PCB
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 21:30:20 »
I like the new design, but I think you should just have 3-4 set colors and have a lower price. One of the factors that drove buyers away from your first board was the pricing was simply not worth it.

This board aesthetically looks much better though!


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Re: [IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - 30+ cerakote colors - VIA Hotswap PCB
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 21:32:36 »
I like the new design, but I think you should just have 3-4 set colors and have a lower price. One of the factors that drove buyers away from your first board was the pricing was simply not worth it.

This board aesthetically looks much better though!


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The high number of colors actually doesn't add much more to the cost and really helps justify the really intricate design. You can get some nice and interesting color combos. The wild CNC paths are the main cost driver.
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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 21:42:36 »
Given the color options I can see this as a good board for a lot of people. if they can deal with the unorthodox design
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Re: [IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - 30+ cerakote colors - VIA Hotswap PCB
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 21:46:10 »
Given the color options I can see this as a good board for a lot of people. if they can deal with the unorthodox design

Honestly kinda getting tired of all the very similar looking boards is why I started doing GBs. Hence the Hatchet-01 and this haha. This is definitely more mainstream though.

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 21:47:42 »
I find it very strange that 80% of those who sell with a piece of rubber under the plate call it a gasket mount.... You have leaf spring plate with Isolation - botom maunt but not Gasket mount

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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 22:43:09 »
Keebs will eventually be outdated and replaced by a new input mechanism. Until then I love keebs. The clackier the better. This is so cool in a Clockwork Orange, 1970s retro-futuristic kinda way that it’s irresistible. Kudos on the design. Kudos on cerakote. Kudos on wild colors. Black, gray, and white have their place. But 2020 is almost over and we need to look ahead. We need color. And we need new ideas. Thank you.

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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 23:15:12 »
unique design! the mounting is basically the keycult isolation leaf-spring, with only corner mounting points (nothing wrong w/ that).

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 00:27:45 »
you say 30+ colors, i hear qc nightmare

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 01:16:54 »
Kudos, very nice design, really stands out! This would match my office chair perfectly


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Two questions:
- have you thought about making the sides plain and remove the rim for a clean, minimalist look?
- can i hope for a ortho (4x12, 5x12) option in the future?

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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 08:58:28 »
Not a big fan of the multicolored ones, but solid color looks cleeeean. GLWIC

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 10:20:13 »
Ambitious!

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Re: [IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - 30+ cerakote colors - VIA Hotswap PCB
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 10:47:35 »
Kudos, very nice design, really stands out! This would match my office chair perfectly

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https://www.interstuhl.com/silver/en/enjoy-silver#1

Two questions:
- have you thought about making the sides plain and remove the rim for a clean, minimalist look?
- can i hope for a ortho (4x12, 5x12) option in the future?

I have, personally I like the lip a bit more but I added it as a form question above as I've heard multiple people say this.
If it does well, may do some other layouts.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 10:49:41 »
Some people don’t like the design? I really like the look :)! GLWIC


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Re: [IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - 30+ cerakote colors - VIA Hotswap PCB
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 11:47:02 »
I'm always skeptical about the necessity of FEA but hey, good job the keyboard looks really great.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 12:02:13 »
Nice looking board; I look forward to builds and typing tests.

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« Reply #17 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:56:40 »
really good-looking board
would uou consider redesigning the plate? i'm a bit afraif that it would create inconsistent typing feel
pls add solderable pcb, and esd protection
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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 03:41:21 »
Looks like a rounder One 2 Mini. Not for me.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 04:51:44 »
Looks very nice, I'm interested and awaiting price.

Is it in consideration to support ISO?




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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 05:57:07 »
Nice Skeletor Render

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Re: [IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - 30+ cerakote colors - VIA Hotswap PCB
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 06:47:29 »
Looks very nice, I'm interested and awaiting price.

Is it in consideration to support ISO?

Nope. I had a bunch of requests for ISO on my last board but when it came time to order literally nobody requested ISO.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 07:23:18 »
Looks very nice, I'm interested and awaiting price.

Is it in consideration to support ISO?

Nope. I had a bunch of requests for ISO on my last board but when it came time to order literally nobody requested ISO.

O well, that sucks. That's life half the times...




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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 13:32:45 »
Design can be a lasting statement. Eames chair ca. 1956 and Avanti ca. 1962. Design similarities with the Dolores?

 
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 00:45:07 »
Looks very nice, I'm interested and awaiting price.

Is it in consideration to support ISO?

Nope. I had a bunch of requests for ISO on my last board but when it came time to order literally nobody requested ISO.


O well, that sucks. That's life half the times...

Yeah, actually like the way ISO looks more too. If it was soldered PCB I'd offer it but too hard with hotswap to have two PCBs for a small number of orders.
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 12:43:03 »
Curvy 😍

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 15:55:50 »
Looks very nice, I'm interested and awaiting price.

Is it in consideration to support ISO?

Nope. I had a bunch of requests for ISO on my last board but when it came time to order literally nobody requested ISO.


O well, that sucks. That's life half the times...

Yeah, actually like the way ISO looks more too. If it was soldered PCB I'd offer it but too hard with hotswap to have two PCBs for a small number of orders.

Well. I'll definitely need to go to sodering school   :))




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Re: [IC] Dolores - New Gasket Mount - 30+ cerakote colors - VIA Hotswap PCB
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 19:02:32 »
I will be releasing plate files with a blank pcb outline as well. I would love to see some different layouts!

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 21:58:30 »
How is the hatchet going? Are you planning on waiting for that to finish production and shipping before running this?


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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 01:36:47 »
Like the design and filled out IC form. Good luck!

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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 02:09:59 »
I really like the design, the price I must admit scares me to know

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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 02:17:21 »
Looks very interesting

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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 09:31:20 »
How is the hatchet going? Are you planning on waiting for that to finish production and shipping before running this?

Going well. Once I get all the hatchet parts in and start shipping those I'll launch this.

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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 10:06:21 »
I really like the design, the price I must admit scares me to know

It will be Keycult levels for sure but the level of QC/packaging/etc will also be that high of quality.

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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 11:18:52 »
Hmm, I don't know why but I'm having a hard time deciding whether I really like the design or don't like it at all. It's got this 80's take on modern design vibe going on, so kinda modern and retro at the same time, or at least that's how I feel.
I would have imagined the corner mounting points would create a more stiff and inconsistent typing feel in the corners, but curious to see how it actually feels and sounds if you get a prototype. On the fence for this one

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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 11:55:47 »
I'll be honest, I love it! I would not have imagined I would like this style but it's great. I like that it is different and unique without just having big bezels or a completely outlandish design. Good job. I will definitely keep an eye on this and try to prepare my wallet. The only thing I would like is an o-ring style mounting system (like the Unikorn), but that is really just me wanting to try that mounting method and nothing at all wrong with the design of this board.

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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 12:00:56 »
Design is lovely, refreshing change from the standard bezels a lot of boards have

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« Reply #37 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 12:02:10 »
Hmm, I don't know why but I'm having a hard time deciding whether I really like the design or don't like it at all. It's got this 80's take on modern design vibe going on, so kinda modern and retro at the same time, or at least that's how I feel.
I would have imagined the corner mounting points would create a more stiff and inconsistent typing feel in the corners, but curious to see how it actually feels and sounds if you get a prototype. On the fence for this one

The standard 6-mount system like Keycult and others use is actually much stiffer in the center. This one maintains about the same corner stiffness but makes the center of the board much closer to the flex and response of the corners. It's due to the fact you have a lot of material surrounding say, the "G" key causing it to have a stiff feel. The "Q" key has less material but is located closer to the mount so it's similar in stiffness. If you have mounts in the center, you have both material and springs which over stiffens the center. It sounds counter-intuitive but that's why I spent a lot of time in FEA getting it right. Want to create something that feels much better than current designs. This is also probably why a lot of tray mounts feel/sound better with the center posts removed IMO. I also don't want this to sound like a harsh criticism of the 6-mount. I think those boards are still extremely good.
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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 15:08:22 »
Dolores looks gorgeous! I'm definitely interested in owning one. Hope to see the project prosper!

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 21:21:45 »
Cute

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« Reply #40 on: Sat, 24 October 2020, 13:17:16 »
This is a gorgeous design. I am very interested and if the price is not too high I will be joining the GB  :thumb:

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« Reply #42 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 00:31:17 »
looks adorable cute! Will you release the hand rest for it?
There is no hand rest will fit it on the market...

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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 11:09:56 »
looks adorable cute! Will you release the hand rest for it?
There is no hand rest will fit it on the market...

Most 65% rests should work ok. The front is slightly angled but this shouldn't be an issue. I have had quite a few requests for a matching rest though which would be a fun future project.

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 11:48:23 »
Interesting... Will have to wait and see pricing.

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 20:07:03 »
Very nice design. You explained that you wanted to break the status quo and you're definitely doing it. It's got really nice balance. Gentle curves and slopes that make it really easy to look at while also having interesting geometry. Not too distracting but not too plain. It just blends in with everything. You could take this anywhere and it won't turn heads but closer inspection would reveal the quality of it which I like a lot. Color options looks great as well and will be a compelling selling point for a lot of people who want to match their favorite keycap set. Yeah I think it's great. It breaks the mold without being over engineered and it combines "classy" with "fun". I think the community sentiment is still fixated on the utilitarian geometry and overly engineered functionality of keyboards right now but this kind of design will catch on. gwlic!

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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 22:28:04 »
Hmm, I don't know why but I'm having a hard time deciding whether I really like the design or don't like it at all. It's got this 80's take on modern design vibe going on, so kinda modern and retro at the same time, or at least that's how I feel.
I would have imagined the corner mounting points would create a more stiff and inconsistent typing feel in the corners, but curious to see how it actually feels and sounds if you get a prototype. On the fence for this one

The standard 6-mount system like Keycult and others use is actually much stiffer in the center. This one maintains about the same corner stiffness but makes the center of the board much closer to the flex and response of the corners. It's due to the fact you have a lot of material surrounding say, the "G" key causing it to have a stiff feel. The "Q" key has less material but is located closer to the mount so it's similar in stiffness. If you have mounts in the center, you have both material and springs which over stiffens the center. It sounds counter-intuitive but that's why I spent a lot of time in FEA getting it right. Want to create something that feels much better than current designs. This is also probably why a lot of tray mounts feel/sound better with the center posts removed IMO. I also don't want this to sound like a harsh criticism of the 6-mount. I think those boards are still extremely good.

Thanks for the explanation. Yes it sounds counter intuitive but your explanation makes sense.

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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 23:14:12 »
Very nice design. You explained that you wanted to break the status quo and you're definitely doing it. It's got really nice balance. Gentle curves and slopes that make it really easy to look at while also having interesting geometry. Not too distracting but not too plain. It just blends in with everything. You could take this anywhere and it won't turn heads but closer inspection would reveal the quality of it which I like a lot. Color options looks great as well and will be a compelling selling point for a lot of people who want to match their favorite keycap set. Yeah I think it's great. It breaks the mold without being over engineered and it combines "classy" with "fun". I think the community sentiment is still fixated on the utilitarian geometry and overly engineered functionality of keyboards right now but this kind of design will catch on. gwlic!

Thanks for the kind words. That's my hope. I like the minimalist/utilitarian look as well (and those do a better job of showing off the caps in some cases) but I think it's a bit over done at this point. Andromeda is another cool departure from the norm and I hope more boards like these catch on. Designs like these are hard to machine and take a ton of CAD time though which is why I suspect there aren't more of them.
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« Reply #48 on: Wed, 28 October 2020, 00:22:37 »
I really like the design, I am hoping to join in the group buy when it becomes available and hopefully I won't have to take out a second mortgage :D

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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 28 October 2020, 04:12:30 »
I find it harder and harder to be excited for sub 500 FCFS, lol.