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« on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 01:11:58 »
As some of you may know, I've started a personal keyboard project back in April after I've joined geekhack and it finally came to completion last week.

It's a 60% keyboard like the HHKB but with cherry mx switches and programmable multiple layout firmware.

Here are the details about the keyboard and all the information you need if you want to build one for yourself.

First, Ive started out by drawing up the PCB in the software from http://expresspcb.com/. Download Here.
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Then, I've redrawn the entire keyboard in Solidworks to design the case/mounting plate and to make sure everything would fit.  Download Here.
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Once I was set with the design, I've ordered the PCB from http://expresspcb.com/ directly from the software. 2 PCB cost 149$.
I've ordered 128 clear and 30 blue switches from Mouser for 160$ and a G80-3000 from Half-Saint for 45$ to harvest some cherry blue stem and springs.
I'm using ergo clear and blue switches in my keyboards.

I got 200 1N41418 diodes from onlinecomponents.com for about nothing.

For the controller, I'm using a teensy form http://www.pjrc.com/ I've ordered 3 of those for 48$.
I've took the code from PrinsValium symmetric stagger keyboard and modified it to fit my needs. Download Here.

It doesn't have NKRO but it does have 6KRO + 4 modifiers.
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#include <avr/io.h>
#include <avr/pgmspace.h>
#include <avr/interrupt.h>
#include <util/delay.h>
#include &quot;usb_keyboard.h&quot;

#define bool            uint8_t
#define true            1
#define false           0

#define _PINB           (uint8_t *const)&PINB
#define _PORTC          (uint8_t *const)&PORTC
#define _PORTD          (uint8_t *const)&PORTD
#define _PORTF          (uint8_t *const)&PORTF

#define NULL            0
#define NA              0
#define KEY_MACRO       0
#define KEY_FN          0
#define FN_KEY1_ID     13*6+1
#define FN_KEY2_ID     0*6+1
#define MACRO_KEY_ID    0*6+0

const uint8_t is_modifier[84] = {
//ROW 0          ROW 1 ROW 2            ROW 3            ROW 4            
1,              1,               1, 1,               0,               0, // COL  0
1,               0, 0,               0,               0,   0, // COL  1
1,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL  2
0,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL  3
0,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL  4
0,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL  5
0,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL  6
0,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL  7
0,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL  8
1,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL  9
1,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL 10
0,               0, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL 11
1,               1, 0,               0,               0,               0, // COL 12
0,               1, 0,               0,               0,                 // COL 13
 0 // COL 14
};

const uint8_t layer1[84] = {
//ROW 0          ROW 1 ROW 2            ROW 3            ROW 4            
  KEY_MACRO, KEY_FN, KEY_LEFT_SHIFT, KEY_LEFT_CTRL, KEY_TAB,         KEY_ESC, // COL  0
KEY_LEFT_GUI,    KEY_Z, KEY_A,           KEY_Q,           KEY_1,       NULL, // COL  1
KEY_LEFT_ALT,    KEY_X, KEY_S,           KEY_W,           KEY_2,           NULL, // COL  2
NULL, KEY_C, KEY_D,           KEY_E,           KEY_3,           NULL, // COL  3
NULL,            KEY_V, KEY_F,           KEY_R,           KEY_4,           NULL, // COL  4
KEY_SPACE,       KEY_B, KEY_G,           KEY_T,           KEY_5,           NULL, // COL  5
NULL,            KEY_N, KEY_H,     KEY_Y,  KEY_6,           NULL, // COL  6
NULL,            KEY_M, KEY_J,           KEY_U,           KEY_7,       NULL, // COL  7
NULL,            KEY_COMMA, KEY_K,           KEY_I,           KEY_8,           NULL, // COL  8
KEY_RIGHT_ALT,   KEY_PERIOD, KEY_L,           KEY_O,           KEY_9,           NULL, // COL  9
KEY_RIGHT_GUI,   KEY_SLASH, KEY_SEMICOLON,   KEY_P,           KEY_0,           NULL, // COL 10
NULL,            NULL, KEY_QUOTE,       KEY_LEFT_BRACE,  KEY_MINUS,       NULL, // COL 11
KEY_RIGHT_CTRL,  KEY_RIGHT_SHIFT, NULL,     KEY_RIGHT_BRACE, KEY_EQUAL,       NULL, // COL 12
KEY_DELETE,      KEY_FN, KEY_ENTER,       KEY_BACKSPACE,   KEY_BACKSLASH, // COL 13    
 KEY_TILDE // COL 14
};

const uint8_t layer2[84] = {
//ROW 0          ROW 1 ROW 2            ROW 3            ROW 4            
NULL, KEY_FN, KEY_LEFT_SHIFT, KEY_LEFT_CTRL,   KEY_CAPS_LOCK,   KEY_ESC, // COL  0
KEY_LEFT_GUI,    KEY_Z, KEY_LEFT,        KEY_Q,           KEY_F1,          NULL, // COL  1
KEY_LEFT_ALT,    KEY_X, KEY_DOWN,        KEY_UP,          KEY_F2,   NULL, // COL  2
NULL, KEY_C, KEY_RIGHT,       KEY_E,           KEY_F3,   NULL, // COL  3
NULL,            KEY_V, KEY_F,           KEY_R,           KEY_F4,       NULL, // COL  4
KEY_SPACE,       KEY_B, KEY_G,     KEY_T,           KEY_F5,          NULL, // COL  5
NULL,            KEY_N, KEY_H,           KEY_Y,           KEY_F6,          NULL, // COL  6
NULL,            KEY_M, KEY_J,           KEY_U,           KEY_F7,          NULL, // COL  7
NULL,            KEY_HOME, KEY_PAGE_UP, KEY_PRINTSCREEN, KEY_F8,          NULL, // COL  8
KEY_RIGHT_ALT,   KEY_END,   KEY_PAGE_DOWN,   KEY_SCROLL_LOCK, KEY_F9,       NULL, // COL  9
KEY_RIGHT_GUI,   KEY_DOWN, KEY_LEFT,        KEY_PAUSE,       KEY_F10,         NULL, // COL 10
NULL, NULL, KEY_RIGHT,       KEY_UP,          KEY_F11,         NULL, // COL 11
KEY_RIGHT_CTRL,  KEY_RIGHT_SHIFT, NULL,            KEY_RIGHT_BRACE, KEY_F12,       NULL, // COL 12
KEY_DELETE, KEY_FN, KEY_ENTER,       KEY_BACKSPACE,   KEY_INSERT,    // COL 13
 KEY_DELETE // COL 14
};

const uint8_t layer3[84] = {
//ROW 0          ROW 1 ROW 2            ROW 3            ROW 4            
NULL, KEY_FN, KEY_LEFT_SHIFT, KEY_LEFT_CTRL, KEY_TAB,         KEY_ESC, // COL  0
KEY_LEFT_GUI,    KEY_Z, KEY_LEFT,        KEY_Q,           KEY_F1,       NULL, // COL  1
KEY_LEFT_ALT,    KEY_X, KEY_DOWN,        KEY_UP,          KEY_F2,          NULL, // COL  2
NULL, KEY_C, KEY_RIGHT,       KEY_E,           KEY_F3,          NULL, // COL  3
NULL,            KEY_V, KEY_F,           KEY_R,           KEY_F4,          NULL, // COL  4
KEY_SPACE,       KEY_B, KEY_G,           KEY_T,           KEY_F5,          NULL, // COL  5
NULL,            KEY_N, KEY_H,     KEY_Y,  KEY_F6,          NULL, // COL  6
NULL,            KEYPAD_0,   KEYPAD_1,        KEYPAD_4,        KEYPAD_7,        NULL, // COL  7
NULL,            KEY_COMMA, KEYPAD_2,        KEYPAD_5,        KEYPAD_8,        NULL, // COL  8
KEY_RIGHT_ALT,   KEY_PERIOD, KEYPAD_3,        KEYPAD_6,        KEYPAD_9,        NULL, // COL  9
KEY_RIGHT_GUI,   KEY_SLASH, KEY_SEMICOLON,   KEY_P,           KEYPAD_SLASH,    NULL, // COL 10
NULL,            NULL, KEY_QUOTE,       KEY_LEFT_BRACE,  KEYPAD_MINUS,    NULL, // COL 11
KEY_RIGHT_CTRL,  KEY_RIGHT_SHIFT, NULL,     KEY_RIGHT_BRACE, KEYPAD_PLUS,     NULL, // COL 12
KEY_DELETE,      KEY_FN, KEY_ENTER,       KEY_BACKSPACE,   KEYPAD_ASTERIX, // COL 13    
 KEY_NUM_LOCK // COL 14
};

const uint8_t *layout = layer1;

uint8_t *const row_port[6]  = { _PINB,  _PINB,  _PINB,  _PINB,  _PINB,  _PINB};
const uint8_t   row_bit[6]  = {  0x01,   0x02,   0x04,   0x08,   0x10,   0x20};
uint8_t *const col_port[14] = {_PORTD, _PORTD, _PORTD, _PORTD, _PORTD, _PORTC, _PORTD, _PORTD, _PORTF, _PORTF, _PORTF, _PORTF, _PORTF, _PORTF};
const uint8_t   col_bit[14] = {  0x01,   0x02,   0x04,   0x08,   0x10,   0x40,   0x80,   0x40,   0x01,   0x02,   0x10,   0x20,   0x80,   0x40};

bool pressed[84];
uint8_t queue[7] = {0,0,0,0,0,0,0};
uint8_t mod_keys = 0;

void init(void);
void send(void);
void poll(void);
void key_press(uint8_t key_id);
void key_release(uint8_t key_id);

int main(void) {
  init();
  for(;;) poll();
}

void send(void) {
  uint8_t i;
  if(pressed[FN_KEY1_ID])
    layout = layer2;
  else if(pressed[FN_KEY2_ID])
 layout = layer3;
  else
    layout = layer1;
  for(i=0; i<6; i++)
    keyboard_keys[i] = layout[queue[i]];
  keyboard_modifier_keys = mod_keys;
  usb_keyboard_send();
}

void poll() {
  uint8_t row, col, key_id;
  _delay_ms(5);
  for(col=0; col<14; col++) {
    *col_port[col] &= ~col_bit[col];
    _delay_us(1);
    for(row=0; row<6; row++) {
      key_id = col*6+row;
      if(!(*row_port[row] & row_bit[row])) {
if(!pressed[key_id])
 key_press(key_id);
      }
      else if(pressed[key_id])
key_release(key_id);
    }
    *col_port[col] |= col_bit[col];
  }
}

void key_press(uint8_t key_id) {
  uint8_t i;
  pressed[key_id] = true;
  if(is_modifier[key_id])
    mod_keys |= layer1[key_id];
  else {
    for(i=5; i>0; i--) queue[i] = queue[i-1];
    queue[0] = key_id;
  }
  send();
}

void key_release(uint8_t key_id) {
  uint8_t i;
  pressed[key_id] = false;
  if(is_modifier[key_id])
    mod_keys &= ~layout[key_id];
  else {
    for(i=0; i<6; i++) if(queue[i]==key_id) break;
    for(; i<6; i++) queue[i] = queue[i+1];
  }
  send();
}

void init(void) {
  uint8_t i;
  CLKPR = 0x80; CLKPR = 0;
  usb_init();
  while(!usb_configured());
  _delay_ms(1000);
  // PORTB is set as input with pull-up resistors
  // PORTC,D,F are set to high output
  DDRB  = 0x00; DDRC  = 0xFF; DDRD  = 0xFF; DDRF  = 0xFF;
  PORTB = 0xFF; PORTC = 0xFF; PORTD = 0xFF; PORTF = 0xFF;
  for(i=0; i<84; i++) pressed[i] = false;
}


Current layout: [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] 19756[/ATTACH]

For the mounting plate/case I've redrawn it in the software from eachineshop.com. They quote the case at around 400$ for 2 cases depending of the material, finish, tolerances. Download Here.
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I didn't personally used emachineshop. I've ordered mine form I guy I know and I'm not pleased with the result. The bends in the parts are slightly too far out on the plates but the cutting for the switches at least is perfect. I will probably use emachineshop to order a part to fix my problem tho.
Strait switches but gap in assembly.
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Then, I've started to receive parts and assemble the keyboards.

1: Solder the diodes on the PCB.
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2: Solder some wires to the teensy and place the switches and stabilizers on the plate.
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3: Solder the teensy to the PCB and then the PCB to the switches.
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4: Have fun with your new keyboards!
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So that is how you build a DoxKB!

Sorry about the bad pictures...
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Offline kriminal

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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 02:02:12 »
O_O
tough.. KB is sexy :)
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Offline REVENGE

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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 02:38:36 »
Well I guess the production costs aren't bad for a one-off...
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Offline sordna

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 03:01:17 »
Nice! Have you considered doing a keyboard with the keys in vertical columns (no stagger) or at least with a symmetrical stagger ?

For me the worst thing about off-the-shelf keyboards is the ridiculous stagger, a keyboard from scratch like yours would present a wonderful opportunity to get rid of it.
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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 03:07:05 »
That was my plan at first but I changed my mind because I couldn't figure yet the perfect layout. I'm still thinking about it and the next one will probably be a vertical column layout.
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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 03:11:45 »
Well, here's an idea:


I bet you'll have it finished before that company does :-)
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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 03:13:49 »
I've only build the ergo clear keyboard last night and I got to say that those switches are freaking awesome! I'm now thinking of changing my blue one to ergo clear too.
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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 03:18:54 »
Yeah something like the Truly ergonomic keyboard would be good. I'll let them 2 months and if it's still not available i'll build one!
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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 03:21:31 »
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Yeah something like the Truly ergonomic keyboard would be good. I'll let them 2 months and if it's still not available i'll build one!

 
Send them an email, maybe they'll hire you and finally ship the thing in this lifetime! You're in Canada too!
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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 06:47:55 »
Great mod Dox! Glad to hear you like the ergo clears.


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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 09:52:37 »
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My only kvetch? FN key where the left control key is in your layout. I realize it can be changed, but:

I've always been swapping control/CapsLock key on my keyboards. And as you said, the layout can be easily changed.

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Great mod Dox! Glad to hear you like the ergo clears.

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Thanks, I'm modding my blue one to ergo clear today. I don't get why cherry isn't making those switches standard because they feel sooooo good!
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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 09:53:39 »
I know, I agree completely.

Hey, I just realized you're in Quebec. I was in Quebec City a couple weeks ago and loved it!
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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 21:21:12 »
Dear Dox,

Could you do some of us a favor by tweaking the case of your keyboard a little so that a kbc poker can fit into it? I really enjoy my poker and my only complain is that there are no metal plates available...

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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 21:34:20 »
I would need a Poker to see if it's even possible to fit a plate in it but I don't currently own one.
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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 22:23:52 »
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Great mod Dox! Glad to hear you like the ergo clears.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 27 June 2011, 07:34:00 »
Seriously awesome keyboard build!  The links are very helpful, I might just have to do some myself.  Well done!
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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 01 July 2011, 13:48:51 »
Thanks didjamatic! It would be great to see someone else try it. If you have any questions just ask!
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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 01 July 2011, 22:35:35 »
Nice work. How did you go about tracing out the PCB? Does it have NKRO? I was half considering a mod that would give a G80-8113 a standard nav cluster and move the numpad to the left side, but if you need an electrical engineering degree then I'd best forget about it. :noidea:
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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 01 July 2011, 22:45:36 »
I've ordered the PCB from expressPCB.com. Tracing it is nothing more than linking rows and columns of switches. It doesn't have NKRO but it does have 6KRO + 4 modifiers. You don't need and engineering degree to make it but it you have any experience with soldering and programming it would help.

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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 02 August 2011, 15:36:09 »
Where did you get the switch stabilizers (for spacebar/LShift/Enter) and keycaps?

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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 02 August 2011, 15:47:33 »
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 02 August 2011, 16:00:11 »
Ah, thank you. I couldn't find any relevant thread, but I suppose my Google-fu is just that weak. I'm assuming general Cherry boards use those stabilisers -> have fitting keycaps?

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 02 August 2011, 16:07:08 »
Some boards use Cherry, some use Costar, all are physically compatible as far as the key stem fitting in the hole.  On the retail available Cherry stabilizers space bars are not necessarily compatible.  Filco spacebars will not fit on any of them, but the only issue is the stabilizer wire which can be bent and cut to the shorter length needed for a Filco spacebar.
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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 02 August 2011, 17:12:51 »
Great work!
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 02 August 2011, 17:26:00 »
Thanks, mtl!

I've ordered the stabilizers from Mouser. Cherry stabilizers. As alaricljs said, the space bar one had a too long wire so I cut it and bend it to fit.
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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 03 August 2011, 10:48:49 »
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Actually that's not quite true either.  Datacomp built keyboards have stabilizers with different spacing.

This came out so well I'll drag Geekgirl out of retirement.
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Nothing I said is inconsistent with what you just said.
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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 03 August 2011, 11:19:44 »
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Depends on how you define "all".

No it doesn't, since I qualified that statement by saying:

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...  as far as the key stem fitting in the hole...
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 05:51:06 »
definitely interested in this am interest in this layout though (Esc would actually be the main key)

might even be up for a few depending.

as to me it looks like there is a larger gap between the keys than normal.

which stabilizers are used for this? ones like Filco or Leopold? Also where can you get the plate mounted part?
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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 09:08:18 »
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definitely interested in this am interest in this layout though (Esc would actually be the main key)
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might even be up for a few depending.

as to me it looks like there is a larger gap between the keys than normal.

which stabilizers are used for this? ones like Filco or Leopold? Also where can you get the plate mounted part?


Spacing is standard, it's a illusion with the shiny backplate.
All the files are available to download and modify in the article.
I used cherry stabilizers from Mouser.
I got the plates from a contact but I give a link in the article for a place online.

Edit: See the spacing:
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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 09:28:01 »
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definitely interested in this am interest in this layout though (Esc would actually be the main key)
Show Image

might even be up for a few depending.

I think moving the arrow keys to IJKL would be better than PL;'  ... also, having an additional set of arrow keys on the left (WASD) would be cool too!
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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 09:29:18 »
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Spacing is standard, it's a illusion with the shiny backplate.
All the files are available to download and modify in the article.
I used cherry stabilizers from Mouser.
I got the plates from a contact but I give a link in the article for a place online.

Edit: See the spacing:
(Attachment Link) 29676[/ATTACH]
spacing looks much better in that picture
yes I know they are problem is that I have no experience in CAD or C (i believe whats used for the teensy)
Wondering if anyone else would be interested. That way we could make a few and split costs. Also if we all stick with the same layout we could probably get a discount through WASD.

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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 09:32:08 »
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I think moving the arrow keys to IJKL would be better than PL;'  ... also, having an additional set of arrow keys on the left (WASD) would be cool too!
arrow key are where they are so that you can hold right Fn with your pinky. media keys are over by WASD because the fit nicely also the standard user is used to using arrows with their right hand.

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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 09:53:44 »
if you get that layout setup i'd be interesting in a case too, but i'd prob modify the function layer... i really don't like the way the arrows are setup... the HHKB arrow setup, it works better when holding down the Fn key with the pinky.

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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 10:01:23 »
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if you get that layout setup i'd be interesting in a case too, but i'd prob modify the function layer... i really don't like the way the arrows are setup... the HHKB arrow setup, it works better when holding down the Fn key with the pinky.
I agree with you there but from my testing this should still work may take some getting used to. I designed this layout as a competitor to a HHKB, one that someone should be able to use with almost no adjustment from a standard keyboard.

So you would be in for everything except for the keycaps? I think wasd would have a problem if it would just be a slight alteration.

Do you think I should post an interest check in the Group Buy sub forum?

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 10:02:42 »
Dox do you think that you could post some more pic of the inside. Im kind of wondering how you did everything in there.

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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 11:09:09 »
i would be in for the board and case, I got extra blue, clear, and brown donor boards sitting around that i can make some ergo clears with.

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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 11:17:01 »
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Dox do you think that you could post some more pic of the inside. Im kind of wondering how you did everything in there.
I'll try to take some pictures tonight.
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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 12:13:26 »
Solution to the arrow key disagreements is to make the 2nd layer user programmable. The "proper / touch-typing way" for multi-key combos is to hold the modifer (in this case the Fn) with the opposite hand, it's very strenuous for the hand to hold the Fn with the pinky and do arrow work with other fingers of the same hand... it's a similar stress to dragging/drawing with a mouse: bad for RSI.
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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 12:42:48 »
so who would be interested in getting a group buy for the pcb? think i'd be interested in getting the board to play around with customizing... i do have a teensy sitting around already

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« Reply #39 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 13:31:03 »
Dox, is it okay that we use your files? i know some people dosen't like thier stuff used by others.

I'm considering printing that board but use it with a modified key layer

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« Reply #40 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 15:40:04 »
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so who would be interested in getting a group buy for the pcb? think i'd be interested in getting the board to play around with customizing... i do have a teensy sitting around already
pcb, for sure. though I dont know how many I need yet. what about the plate?

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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 17:01:57 »
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Dox, is it okay that we use your files? i know some people dosen't like thier stuff used by others.

I'm considering printing that board but use it with a modified key layer
I don't mind at all. that's why all the files are available.
I'm now using hasu's firmware with mouse keys and working media control in windows.
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« Reply #42 on: Mon, 24 October 2011, 17:07:41 »
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I don't mind at all. that's why all the files are available.
I'm now using hasu's firmware with mouse keys and working media control in windows.
both of those sound really nice to add it hink I would put the mouse buttons on ZXC so I could hold left win with my pinky
 z=right x=middle c=left possibly f=forward v=back
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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 25 October 2011, 01:32:41 »
Profosist: I tweeked DOX's PCB file to fit the layout you want with the software and got this:


I also moved a few traces so I can use the PCB mounted stabilizers if I end up not being able to afford the casing (just go all PCB mounted :D)

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 25 October 2011, 01:37:16 »
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Profosist: I tweeked DOX's PCB file to fit the layout you want with the software and got this:
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I also moved a few traces so I can use the PCB mounted stabilizers if I end up not being able to afford the casing (just go all PCB mounted :D)
I was thinking about this would it be any more expensive or hard to add the ability to have leds in the keys? I dont have any real reasoning behind this because getting backlight keys would be hard and I am not that intered in a back light board just thought it would be an option and might have some nice glow effect since there is no case around the switches.

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 25 October 2011, 01:44:19 »
Just checked price, I can order 2 keep one and ship you the other for $65-70. The price quote right now is $56 per board + 10.50 shipping

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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 25 October 2011, 01:45:08 »
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I was thinking about this would it be any more expensive or hard to add the ability to have leds in the keys? I dont have any real reasoning behind this because getting backlight keys would be hard and I am not that intered in a back light board just thought it would be an option and might have some nice glow effect since there is no case around the switches.

it would take alot of time since we would need to flip all the switches 180 degrees for the LED to be on the right side.

alternatively you can just use: this if you want lights around the border

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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 25 October 2011, 01:51:27 »
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it would take alot of time since we would need to flip all the switches 180 degrees for the LED to be on the right side.

alternatively you can just use: this if you want lights around the border
so you would have to basically remake the PCB. which would kinda suck. I just though I would put some LEDs in since I have to do everything already. but its just more work and changes so ill skip. also I have some other interested people and I couldnt do this right away. Also we could try a PCB group buy to start out with because I know I dont have the money to do the entire build right away.
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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 25 October 2011, 01:59:23 »
yup basically...

im going to keep tweeking around see if i can get the teensy to be able to be soldered straight onto the underside of the board or at the space under the spacebar (gives us access to that button on the topside... but not sure if its useful, and we would also need to somehow route the USB out to the back too...)

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« Reply #49 on: Tue, 25 October 2011, 02:00:34 »
just checked price for more quanitity... its going to be pretty much splitting up that $10 shipping... unless we can get ALOT of people