[GB] Double shot replacements ROUND FOUR! - SHIPPING!

[metafour]

Yes I am able to do a group buy from SP for those prices. I had already been quoted that when I made my original interest check thread that is now on like the 2nd or 3rd page of the group buy section, see that thread for more info.

This one?

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23966-IC-Doubleshot-87-Key-Red-on-Black-Keyset

[hazeluff]

The prices keep going up because he doesn't have enough quantity to put in an order of any significant amount for any keyset. Because they are less than the minimum order size quoted, usually 25, the price per set keeps going up because it costs a lot more for a single or handful of sets than it does for 25- setup costs are huge when you're doing such low quantities of several different sets.

Yes I am able to do a group buy from SP for those prices. I had already been quoted that when I made my original interest check thread that is now on like the 2nd or 3rd page of the group buy section, see that thread for more info.

It's a landslide. Not enough orders -> Expensive -> more people drop out. I think the main problem was too much customization and styles.

If we go with lets say 104 ANSI layout for Retro and nothing else. Just that would be really cheap with the numbers we have.

[lightsout714]

It's a landslide. Not enough orders -> Expensive -> more people drop out. I think the main problem was too much customization and styles.

If we go with lets say 104 ANSI layout for Retro and nothing else. Just that would be really cheap with the numbers we have.

I agree sounds like everyone wants retro. And lots are probably going to bail when they realize these prices. Maybe this thing should be trimmed down?

[hazeluff]

I agree sounds like everyone wants retro. And lots are probably going to bail when they realize these prices. Maybe this thing should be trimmed down?

I do like the idea of R4 and what it provides. But at the moment I don't think it's working with everyone.

[pitashen]

Thanks, but I hope you don't hate me the same you love me now, when you look into you inbox and realise the prices went up again!

Tip: get sphericals, they are the cheapest!

ya those moogle kits pricing are quite scary.

[dorkvader]

It's a landslide. Not enough orders -> Expensive -> more people drop out. I think the main problem was too much customization and styles.

If we go with lets say 104 ANSI layout for Retro and nothing else. Just that would be really cheap with the numbers we have.

I notice that "sure things" always attract wore interest. There wasn't much for the sphericals in R4 until someone pledged to buy up to the minimum quantity. Now it's one of the (if not the) most popular sets. A similar thing happened with the joker keycaps. Someone pledged to buy up to a certain price bracket, and there was a lot of interest, once again overtaking the initial pledge.

So, for example, if Ragnarock said he was going to buy 100 sets of 'blood', to guarantee a price, I'm sure lots of people would order. There'd likely be enough that his initial pledge wouldn't be necessary. The point is: it seems that lots of people are interested in low prices and sure things. We know that if there isn't interest, then the price will be high, and that stems our enthusiasm for purchasing. But I'll buy any doubleshot for $.71 that features green as one of the colours, even if there's no way I'd use it.

[slueth]

It was exactly why I offered to buy up the minimum to get spherical going.  Also made sure that I got one design that people could be in for via polls.  Not everyone is going to get what they want but at least we can get a good public opinion.

[hashbaz]

I notice that "sure things" always attract wore interest. There wasn't much for the sphericals in R4 until someone pledged to buy up to the minimum quantity. Now it's one of the (if not the) most popular sets. A similar thing happened with the joker keycaps. Someone pledged to buy up to a certain price bracket, and there was a lot of interest, once again overtaking the initial pledge.

So, for example, if Ragnarock said he was going to buy 100 sets of 'blood', to guarantee a price, I'm sure lots of people would order. There'd likely be enough that his initial pledge wouldn't be necessary. The point is: it seems that lots of people are interested in low prices and sure things. We know that if there isn't interest, then the price will be high, and that stems our enthusiasm for purchasing. But I'll buy any doubleshot for $.71 that features green as one of the colours, even if there's no way I'd use it.

Yup, thus the existence of the much-maligned interest check.

[Gawkbasher]

Yup, thus the existence of the much-maligned interest check.

Except then there's the situation when way more people say they want something than actually do.  Somebody brought this up recently to all the people talking about wanting aluminum Poker cases.  How many people want one and are actually going to pay the $140+shipping?

Interest Checks are great though.  Price guarantees are really great but unrealistic for big buys like this and honestly sort of a sad statement.

[Lamaboi]

ROUND3/TKL price is still the same? Phew, hope it stays that way.
On the other hand the way this is going, there's probably no end to R4 group-buy :<

[nntnam]

ROUND3/TKL price is still the same? Phew, hope it stays that way.
On the other hand the way this is going, there's probably no end to R4 group-buy :<

No, it's 87$ now ):

[7bit]

I'm hoping Signature Plastics realizes by now that high prices don't please anyone.

Fixed that.

[7bit]

I agree sounds like everyone wants retro. And lots are probably going to bail when they realize these prices. Maybe this thing should be trimmed down?

Also, fewer colors would help.

No RGB.

[Lamaboi]

No, it's 87$ now ):

According to the pricelist it's still 70 bucks.

ROUND3/TKL | 93 | 70 | TKL kit (87 keys)

[Ragnorock]

Fixed that.

Yes, because having 18 (It once had twice that many) different configurations is easy for them to deal with. Its expensive because it is expensive for them to set up everything to run 2-3 of one set, then shut down the entire process and change it over to another configuration... over and over again. Just because they are making 20,000 keys in the end doesn't mean it isn't extremely cumbersome to deal with setup times. Do 20,000 keys of one set and it costs pennies... because the machines just have to keep running. Blame SP all you want, but the novelty group buy probably has done more keys than this will end up doing and it cost each buyer pocket change in comparison.

[7bit]

Code: [Select]


#keycaps: 55371

Order-ID|   Qty|     Pcs|   Total
SPH     |363.00|13107.00|$10529.10
RETRO   |467.00|11320.00|$12096.60
ROUND3  |452.00|10488.00|$10850.80
NOIR    |512.00| 7638.00| $8945.20
ORANJE  |228.00| 6566.00| $7081.70
BLOOD   | 69.00| 3234.00| $3179.00
BLANK   |247.00| 1358.00| $1628.70



.
   
     


[nntnam]

According to the pricelist it's still 70 bucks.

But the mail that I received last night said differently... I guess 7bit hasn't updated the price list.

[7bit]

But the mail that I received last night said differently... I guess 7bit hasn't updated the price list.

I did update it.

[nntnam]

I did update it.

I'm sorry if I state it wrongly, but I'm sure that there is a difference between the actual price, that I was announced, and the price in the price list for Round3/TKL kit (:

Btw, I will keep my order until the end and hope for a reasonable price.

[7bit]

I'm sorry if I state it wrongly, but I'm sure that there is a difference between the actual price, that I was announced, and the price in the price list for Round3/TKL kit (:

Btw, I will keep my order until the end and hope for a reasonable price.

OK, you are right. Don't know why the prices are only half-ways updated. I will correct this.

The only way out seems to cut down the whole thing to sphericals plus RETRO plus a bit of ROUND3 add ons.

BLOOD and NOIR are tied together through the RGB keys (they share the red) and the space bars.  There was someone who wanted BLOOD, he should run it on is own along with the NOIR style. Then I will kill ORANJE and concentrate on the rest.

[zulios]

The only way out seems to cut down the whole thing to sphericals plus RETRO plus a bit of ROUND3 add ons.

If it helps the GB going, it might be the best solution.
Would it lower the price if you changed the colors around for the sets ? Like using white lettering instead of beige for sphericals ?

[7bit]

If it helps the GB going, it might be the best solution.
Would it lower the price if you changed the colors around for the sets ? Like using white lettering instead of beige for sphericals ?

Don't touch the sphericals!

They are cheapest because:
- SP can produce more 1 unit sphericals in one production run than 1 unit cylindricals.
- Most keys larger than 1 unit will be from row 3.
- SPH style has got the most orders.
- I luckily I avoided RGB key caps for them: 2 colors are better than 5 or 6.

Cutting off color-choices will make sure people can't waste their money for the wrong styles, or if somene else runs those styles, I don't have to handle that huge amount of different styles anymore.

[zulios]

Don't worry, I was not asking on changing the sphericals colors ; if this had to be done, it should have been before starting taking orders anyway.

I was (and still am) wondering if changing colors to reduce their total number would help in getting lower prices, and up to what point. I'll try taking a better example this time (and please keep in mind this is just meant as an illustration, not an actual request !) : changing NOIR to black and beige instead of black and white. Would it help in reducing prices for both SPH and NOIR ? Or is it still better to cut NOIR down and try to group people around less styles ?

[dorkvader]

Don't worry, I was not asking on changing the sphericals colors ; if this had to be done, it should have been before starting taking orders anyway.

I was (and still am) wondering if changing colors to reduce their total number would help in getting lower prices, and up to what point. I'll try taking a better example this time (and please keep in mind this is just meant as an illustration, not an actual request !) : changing NOIR to black and beige instead of black and white. Would it help in reducing prices for both SPH and NOIR ? Or is it still better to cut NOIR down and try to group people around less styles ?

I like this: also black/beige is closer to what black/white doubleshot keys look like now that they've yellowed a bit.

edit: there's like $54,000 in keycaps!

[lightsout714]

I like this: also black/beige is closer to what black/white doubleshot keys look like now that they've yellowed a bit.

edit: there's like $54,000 in keycaps!

Sheesh. That would need a bunch of people. Aren't you going top get taxed or something if that much money goes into your account.

[pitashen]

I don't have to handle that huge amount of different styles anymore.

i guess it is a lesson learned for 7bit?

[7bit]

Don't worry, I was not asking on changing the sphericals colors ; if this had to be done, it should have been before starting taking orders anyway.

I was (and still am) wondering if changing colors to reduce their total number would help in getting lower prices, and up to what point. I'll try taking a better example this time (and please keep in mind this is just meant as an illustration, not an actual request !) : changing NOIR to black and beige instead of black and white. Would it help in reducing prices for both SPH and NOIR ? Or is it still better to cut NOIR down and try to group people around less styles ?

It does not really help to throw out some styles, it is just so that some people who order Noir will get Retro or Round 3 or sphericals instead. Colors for dsphericals and cylindricals are independant. We could use a different color per every key type at exactly the same price (all 1.25 units keys in white on red, all 1.5 units keys in blue on pink, etc.)

[7bit]

I like this: also black/beige is closer to what black/white doubleshot keys look like now that they've yellowed a bit.

edit: there's like $54,000 in keycaps!

This would be absolute useless. Yep, still that many, just spread accross too many color-schemes ...

[7bit]

Sheesh. That would need a bunch of people. Aren't you going top get taxed or something if that much money goes into your account.

I doubt there will be any problem with that, especially the amount of incoming payments is about the same, or even less than the expenses. Does the ministry of finance (or what they are called) have access to your bank accounts in the US?

i guess it is a lesson learned for 7bit?

At least I gave it a try. Too many other group buys are around, plus a lot of genuine Chery key caps. Plus the higher prices.

[Ekaros]

I'm too poor to order anything. But, I noticed µ on some regional kits, not sure if it's acctualy needed, might be one way to save $ from those...

I realy should read this thread, my inner detail nazi notices everything irrelevant like price list containing 101 or 104 key of certain layouts? Aren't they for 102 or 105?

[zulios]

It does not really help to throw out some styles, it is just so that some people who order Noir will get Retro or Round 3 or sphericals instead. Colors for dsphericals and cylindricals are independant. We could use a different color per every key type at exactly the same price (all 1.25 units keys in white on red, all 1.5 units keys in blue on pink, etc.)

Understood. Thanks for the clarification :-)

At least I gave it a try. Too many other group buys are around, plus a lot of genuine Chery key caps. Plus the higher prices.

3 good reasons to stick in :

- ISO keycaps with almost any layout we can wish for.
- Sphericals ; the orange "X%&#!" caps from pimpmykeyboard are sphericals I assume, and they're lovely.
- Great kits for text lovers that would be likely to get no chance on a regular GB.

[Lamaboi]

7bit, your signature changed, does that mean you found somebody to handle the payments?

[7bit]

7bit, your signature changed, does that mean you found somebody to handle the payments?

I did but only for a fraction of what we need to collect, because as so many he fears that too much money in his account would raise suspicions.

I think the best way would be that some people collect money from only a few others and forward it to SP.

Also, I got annoyed by my large signature.

[7bit]

I'm too poor to order anything. But, I noticed µ on some regional kits, not sure if it's acctualy needed, might be one way to save $ from those...

I realy should read this thread, my inner detail nazi notices everything irrelevant like price list containing 101 or 104 key of certain layouts? Aren't they for 102 or 105?

You can order something like:

SPH/STANDARDFI
or
RETRO/TENKLESSFI
or
whateverFI
...

They come in ISO layout with Finish labels on them.

[Zehkul]

I'm hoping you realize by now that high prices don't please anyone.

I am quite pleased.

If we go with lets say 104 ANSI layout for Retro and nothing else. Just that would be really cheap with the numbers we have.

Screw you ANSI bastards.

I like this: also black/beige is closer to what black/white doubleshot keys look like now that they've yellowed a bit.

I prefer new ones, that's why I'm in this group buy.

I agree sounds like everyone wants retro.

I don't. It's Noir>Blood>Oranje>Retro>Round3 for me (and I'd never buy round3). MAYBE if I've just got too much money and don't know what to do with it - yeah, I might be getting Retro then, but any WASD Keyboards set looks better than SP ones for brighter colors, IMO. Double Shots are just "needed" when you want bright font on dark colors. (The DARK set was quite dumb as well in my eyes, you could have a PBT dyesubbed set instead)

Trimming things down would be good (who needs RGB anyway ;P), but throwing out everything but one set won't work, you could start a whole new group buy for that. I don't really get why there are so many round 3 orders, shouldn't the majority already have those?

[lightsout714]

I disagree on the wasd thing.They don't look very good imo. The legends are very small and the colored caps don't look that good in person. But yes it seems there is a pretty good demand for stuff besides retro. A seperate group buy for each would probably be the easiest approach.

[7bit]

I am quite pleased.

Screw you ANSI bastards.

ANSI - ISO - these are the layouts of history. Nowadays we have 7BIT layout!

I prefer new ones, that's why I'm in this group buy.



I don't. It's Noir>Blood>Oranje>Retro>Round3 for me (and I'd never buy round3). MAYBE if I've just got too much money and don't know what to do with it - yeah, I might be getting Retro then, but any WASD Keyboards set looks better than SP ones for brighter colors, IMO. Double Shots are just "needed" when you want bright font on dark colors. (The DARK set was quite dumb as well in my eyes, you could have a PBT dyesubbed set instead)

Trimming things down would be good (who needs RGB anyway ;P), but throwing out everything but one set won't work, you could start a whole new group buy for that. I don't really get why there are so many round 3 orders, shouldn't the majority already have those?

The Dolch color-scheme is quite popular. Maybe, if I withdraw my orders it will be less popular :-(

RGB are a real pain. If we'd do them all in RGB with Caps and Return in red, shift in green and all bottom-row modifiers in blue it would be not so much a problem (except for the 1.25 units ISO Shift).

[Zehkul]

ANSI - ISO - these are the layouts of history. Nowadays we have 7BIT layout!

I prefer my 2.75 units space bar. However I do like the J return.

[7bit]

I prefer my 2.75 units space bar. However I do like the J return.

A 2.75 units space bar is quite a progress.

It is 1.25 units better than the shortest conventional 4 units Tipro space bar.

[rindorbrot]

I just looked how my order would look in SPH style.
Does it have a specific reason that there are no symbol kits for SPH?
Then I think I have to hope that you don't kill Round3 style, 7bit ;-)

[grik]

Have you arranged the proxy to receive the money?

Im ready to payup when you need, order, #0087, just send me the paypal details preferably.

Danke

[pitashen]

Have you arranged the proxy to receive the money?

Im ready to payup when you need, order, #0087, just send me the paypal details preferably.

Danke

u still got quite a bit of waiting to do before you'll be informed to pay up.

[7bit]

I just looked how my order would look in SPH style.
Does it have a specific reason that there are no symbol kits for SPH?
Then I think I have to hope that you don't kill Round3 style, 7bit ;-)

Yes, I wanted to keep it simple ;-)

Also, it would not match the retro-feeling of the key caps.

[7bit]

Have you arranged the proxy to receive the money?

Im ready to payup when you need, order, #0087, just send me the paypal details preferably.

Danke

I will contact SP to see how small the chunks of money we send to them could be, so they don't get annoyed and nobody gets suspicious about that lot of money on their bank accounts. Seems to be a serious issue.

[emptythecache]

I'm sticking in for now, but $139 for RETRO/STANDARD seems a little absurd given the stats you posted earlier. If it doesn't drop, I may have to duck out.

[hazeluff]

I'm sticking in for now, but $139 for RETRO/STANDARD seems a little absurd given the stats you posted earlier. If it doesn't drop, I may have to duck out.

Same. There were two prince increases and they were quite big. = /

[kps]

SPH prices went down a little, so I ordered a little more to make up for it. Yay!

[7bit]

Same. There were two prince increases and they were quite big. = /

I will throw out ORANJE and BLOOD and then wait what happens. Some might order RETRO stuff and the prices will go down.

I hope I can keep NOIR ...

[Thion]

NOIR would be very nice, i think that's what the BLOOD and ORANJE guys will order as replacement...

will canceling the RGB Things bring the price down? Or merging RGBSYM with RGB somehow?

[eth0s]

Oh well, Oranje and Blood were the only really interesting options in Round4.  They were creative and inspired options.  I was quite excited about both of them.  Too bad you had to kill the only keycaps that could possibly become collector's items out of Round4.  Retro is just a copy of the SoWaRe keycaps, and Round3 is a repeat of fake Dolsch.  Noir is what you can already get from old Cherry keyboards.  But I guess people would rather be safe and boring, than to risk something new.