Author Topic: Sooo dissapoint (Read 16222 times)

kwantz · « **on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 16:08:12 »

Got my first mech keyboard yesterday,,,,, leo cherry browns.

Cant type worth a **** on the damn thing

(so use to my laptop keyboard) and much louder than expected. I wish it was more tactile. Damn I wish clears were more popular.

The leopold is a friggen tank though. I will never knock its quality. And no it does not squeek or whatever the filco fanboys say about it.

I just really wish it would come in a clear version.

audioave10 · « **Reply #1 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 16:12:43 »

I would also like to see more "clear" alternatives. You might still get used to it...it takes awhile.

peda · « **Reply #2 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 16:14:38 »

A shame that you don't like it but it might need to grow on you?

Give it a few days/weeks and see if you perception changes?!

and even if you don't like them then, those should be quiet easy to sell.

<= potential buyer

NumberJ · « **Reply #3 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 16:23:16 »

Just give yourself a few days it it, and I'm sure that you'll learn to love it. I could barely feel the bump on my leo browns at first, but now it really stands out to me, even when typing full speed.

Clickey · « **Reply #4 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 16:30:14 »

You could buy a cheap clear board from Rawko on ebay (~$35) and swap out the clear switch heads to make ergo clears (more tactile) or the heads and to springs to make it full clears.

Or just resell it here using the marketplace, I am sure there is someone that would be interested since it would be like new.

kwantz · « **Reply #5 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 16:44:34 »

yeah, just after years of using a macbook pro.....my fingers have become adapted to the low profile "island: style keys.... Im sure after a few days I really hope that I can adapt to them... if not, I think I am going to have to goto clears.... I am making wayyyy to many typos with these browns... even while playing sc2 last night,, i played the most horrible games ever to date.... ill give her a week or so until I make a decision to sell it..... I love the buid quality of the leopold, the friggin thing is built like a god damn tank.

kwantz · « **Reply #6 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 16:50:59 »

im starting to regret my purchase, I really wish I would have went with blues..... browns are not as quiet as I thought they would have been.... and I wish the browns were more tactile....

simon_C · « **Reply #7 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 16:52:07 »

give it time. keyboards take time to adjust to.

Jago · « **Reply #8 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 17:03:58 »

Quote from: kwantz;405645

im starting to regret my purchase, I really wish I would have went with blues..... browns are not as quiet as I thought they would have been.... and I wish the browns were more tactile....

If you find browns to be loud, why on earth would you think of getting blues, considering that blues are a LOT LOUDER than browns?

EllipticSquare · « **Reply #9 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 17:34:57 »

Quote from: Jago;405648

If you find browns to be loud, why on earth would you think of getting blues, considering that blues are a LOT LOUDER than browns?

My guess would be to get the more tactile feel. I really doubt that can compensate the loudness of them though if you think browns are pushing it.

I got my Noppoo Mini Browns a few days ago, and while I love the feel I had a huge problem with typing on it (and same issue with the expected sound level). It gets to you though ... it's starting to do it for me

keyboardlover · « **Reply #10 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 18:43:30 »

Quote from: Jago;405648

If you find browns to be loud, why on earth would you think of getting blues, considering that blues are a LOT LOUDER than browns?

Not if you have a board with browns that rings when you type.

OP, does your board making a loud ringing noise when you type?

Arcanius · « **Reply #11 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 19:51:50 »

OP, it would be a good idea to keep trying to type on the board for a while. The typos don't come from lack of tactility, but from the lightness of the switch. Browns are 20gms lighter than Macbook scissors, and you WILL make typos until you get used to the lightness and the profile of the keys. One day is nowhere near enough to get accustomed to that difference. Give it a week, as NumberJ and peda said, and only then make your mind up.

BiNiaRiS · « **Reply #12 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 20:10:33 »

If you think browns are loud, it just means you need to learn how not to bottom out.

Type lighter.

Quote from: kwantz;405645

im starting to regret my purchase, I really wish I would have went with blues..... browns are not as quiet as I thought they would have been.... and I wish the browns were more tactile....

Sent from my EVO

sordna · « **Reply #13 on:** Fri, 26 August 2011, 20:53:06 »

Also don't forget cherry switches register the keystroke half way through their travel. You don't have to squish them down like scissors and rubber domes. It's much healthier for you hands in the long run once you adjust to the reduced typing effort.

nocturn4l3030 · « **Reply #14 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 13:15:08 »

just to repeat...you really have to get used to them. browns were my first mechanical and i sold it after a few days. was wayy too light (was used to bottom it out and hitting the keys real hard)

after venturing out i went back to browns and theyre my favorite switches now. your fingers have to adjust to the keyboard... to type properly on browns..you really only press it down about half way...you can get a nice rhythm going where your fingers just flow through it when typing..love the browns.

kwantz · « **Reply #15 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 20:14:57 »

I think they are just louder than what I expected them to be... after hearing videos and sound clips.... They dont do the browns justice when it comes to sound... yeah definatly not use to the lightness of the keys... and I just think the layout in general compared to the island style.... I just make sooo many typos on the Leo I almost feel semi retarded.

I dont really notice the tactileness either, unless I sit there press lightly and slowly and focus. Then I can feel her.... Thats why I think I would have ratherd the blue or clears... The noise doesnt bug me,, just saying its definatly louder than expected... And no it doesnt ping at all... I heard some of the filco pinging videos, and mine is a legit blue.

Hhah im not complaining about the noise just much louder than expected.... If this board came in a clear version, I think it would be the perfect board for me. It will just take me a few weeks to get use to it.... and it doesnt help that I am on my laptop 8 hours a day, and only at home on the keyboard 4-5 hours a day. So its going to take more time than usual. and no its not possible for me to bring my keyboard to work lol, i thought of it, but it doesnt seem logical to bring it, it would be a pain in the arse to drag around from site to site during the day.

Magna224 · « **Reply #16 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 20:36:13 »

If browns make you sad buy ALPS. ( alot louder though)

hyperq · « **Reply #17 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 21:29:54 »

Quote from: kwantz;406179

I think they are just louder than what I expected them to be... after hearing videos and sound clips.... They dont do the browns justice when it comes to sound... yeah definatly not use to the lightness of the keys... and I just think the layout in general compared to the island style.... I just make sooo many typos on the Leo I almost feel semi retarded.

Here is an easy fix: when typing, don't bottom out.

If you are a "heavy hitter", add an o-ring under each key. Search for o-ring on this site.

False_Dmitry_II · « **Reply #18 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 21:51:50 »

Quote from: Magna224;406188

If browns make you sad buy ALPS. ( alot louder though)

Yeah, could be you ain't a cherry person.

I know, go buckling springs! That right thar has some plenty good tactility. Certainly can't be beat by any cherry switch. Though I haven't tried ergos quite yet.

I think you'll find that if that board fits your definition of a tank every single mech board will too (barring, perhaps, pcb mount cherry boards).

hyperq · « **Reply #19 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 22:43:58 »

Buckling springs are not quiet. They are 50% louder than blue switches, which are 50% louder than brown switches. If the OP thinks browns are loud, I wouldn't recommend buckling springs.

kwantz · « **Reply #20 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 22:58:10 »

the orginal poster thinks browns are loud, but doesnt care for the noise (as in it doesnt bug me).... I was just saying I find the browns loud in comparison to what I have heard via youtube videos etc....
I think i am going to aim towards the Clears next, this is a killer keyboard, just wish it was a bit heavier and more tactile so I could feel it more distinctivly

Saturn · « **Reply #21 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 23:24:22 »

Since the noise of browns will come mostly from bottoming out, soft landing pads are an option. You might give them a try, before getting rid of the keyboard.

My first mech keyboard was a Leopold with cherry browns as well. Got it about a week ago, and I too couldn't type worth a damn with it at first. Got used to it after a few days, though, and now I really love it. You just need to get used to it. Don't concentrate on pressing lightly or typing especially slowly or trying not to bottom out. Just type as comes natural. Your fingers will adjust.

False_Dmitry_II · « **Reply #22 on:** Sat, 27 August 2011, 23:57:38 »

I think the word for describing what buckling springs sound like is 'awesome'.

And if you can hear them, your metal isn't loud enough.

kwantz · « **Reply #23 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 08:27:42 »

well i fixed the typo error last night. When im on my laptop throughout the day at work, I have it a lower level... and my new desk the new keyboard sat about 4-5 inches higher than what I was use to. with my chair maxed out on how high it can go. I went out last night at staples and bought one of those 25 dollar keyboard attchements you can add to any desk or table. Wow what a world of a difference. back top typing fast and normal again... It didnt even really cross my mind that 3 inches would make a world of a differnce...... (thats what she said)

welll looks like problem is solved, actually the lightness wasnt the culprit to my massive typos afterall I am actually typing way better now than I ever did on my laptop. Now to just work on my beastly man fingers to stop from bottoming out. It friggin takes more energy and is more exhausting to try typing lighter. Im a competitive weightlifter/bodybuilder so it was probably not the best idea to get such a light of a key, me bottoming out is prolly defeating the whole purpose of this switch... I think now that I dont have to concentrate on making so many typos i can start feeling the bump ever so slightly. But I am still sooo damn curious to see what clears are like. That bump looks like it would make a world of a difference... Like the difference in feeling a Clit or a G-spot. One is noticable and one is ever so slightly noticeable.

fossala · « **Reply #24 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 09:02:12 »

^^ Sex on the brain much?

Arcanius · « **Reply #25 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 10:52:07 »

kwantz, it's great that you're finally typing well on the keyboard! Trying to not bottom out won't work, it'll only keep your hands more tense, do as somebody here (Saturn?) said, and don't focus on it, instead, just type naturally, and your fingers will eventually get used to the subtle tactility and lightness. Even if you're a bodybuilder, that doesn't mean you can't make subtle, light movements. It just means you CAN make very strong ones.

BigWopHH · « **Reply #26 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 15:37:34 »

I don't understand how someone can say browns are loud? The switches don't make any noise whatsoever. It's the user bottoming out that makes the noise, not the switches. Just do an o-ring or landling-pad mod and it'll be almost silent.

nolliepoper · « **Reply #27 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 16:57:01 »

I was using rubberdome keyboards for years and was automatically used to to my Das Silent with Cherry MX Browns. So maybe you just need to get use to the feel of the keyboard because you switched over from flats but as far as feeling the tactile feedback, just test them very slowly and they are easily felt. You will start to notice the tactile feel more and more as you get use to it. The only errors I was making was because of how much faster the repeat rate of PS/2 is compared to USB, after a while I am starting to get used to the repeat rate and start to enjoy my typing or gaming speeds more.

If you totally have you heart set on Cherry MX Clears then you would always take the springs from you browns and make some "Ergo" Clears. Which is what I am interested in. The guy who makes them says, "The feel of these switches is basically like a cherry brown with a much more noticeable tactile bump. If you like browns or even Topres but feel like you need more tactility, this may be the perfect switch for you."
Source: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:17248&highlight=clears

nolliepoper · « **Reply #28 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 17:05:39 »

Edit: doublepost

Tony · « **Reply #29 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 19:01:24 »

Your experience is normal. After years of using rubber domes, every new user of mechanical keyboards tend to bottom out heavily. They don't know any other way than punching the keys.

When you are bottoming out, your fingers get the whole reaction force from the keyboards, and your fingers go longer. When your fingers realize that they can go only halfway on Cherry switches but the key still registers, you will type a lot lighter. And faster too.

Just give it more time. A month later you may feel that brown is the best switch, since you are typing on boobs and your fingers are having sex with your keyboard.

Playtrumpet · « **Reply #30 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 20:07:40 »

Hey, I'm a Macbook to Cherry Brown switcher and I also found it a bit difficult to get used to not bottoming out when I typed, especially when typing/gaming at a fast pace. If you don't have a plate mounted board (less work without soldering/de-soldering) and want more of that tactile bump then you might find it easier to just make your Browns into Ergo Clears.

But you CAN train yourself to not bottom out and really feel the bump in Browns. Even if you don't, I made TONS of extra mistakes when I started with my keyboard. It's just SUCH a different feel, but before I learned how to type without bottoming out, I got used to typing a lot with the keyboard and found that my errors subsided after having more time with it.

And btw, NOT bottoming out is really the only way you're gonna reduce noise without buying the rubber o's or finding another switch entirely. If you're willing, TRAIN yourself to not bottom out by constantly trying to type quietly. It'll give you that lighter touch, and people around you may appreciate it. ^_^

kwantz · « **Reply #31 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 21:37:33 »

well I have a Leopold cherry brown.... less than a week old like I said.... How hard would the process be to change my keyboard in to cherry clears? and how expensive is the process??? ive seen a few videos of people just changing the stems and springs.... bt really is it that easy?
and where the heck do you get the gear from?

the more i type the slightly better i am getting with it,,,, and one of the posters wrote, "how the heck am I gettting sound from this???" Well my man going from a island style robber dome.... the ******* are soo silent even when you **** stab it, it doesnt yelp!. So the change is huge bro.... and like i said I dont care about sound, all I was stateing in the op was how different the sound was from the cherry browns i had heard on youtube vs the cherry browns im typing on.

I was just expecting a very quiet board similar to my rubbers. And no there isnt a ping. Well from what I can tell from the multiple filcos I have heard on video/audio files.

but The new angle I am loving my leopold on i think im hearing a squeeky in my back space key but only press it at the extream left corner.... the other corners are fine. also there is a tiny bit of resistance as well.. I donno if that is normal. This only happens when i press at the very very very very very bottom left corner??? is that normal

also if there is typos, I am slightly intoxicated, if not, **** yeah good for me.

Arcanius · « **Reply #32 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 21:42:36 »

The backspace issue is one caused by the stabilizer, pressing it very far off-centre will cause squeaks and a higher resistance, you can try greasing the stabilizer to silence and lube it a bit.
Replacing stems on a Leopold (or any plate-mounted board) isn't trivial, it requires opening the board and desoldering every single switch. On a PCB-mounted board, it's much easier.

The clear stems can be found on Cherry boards that come with clears, usually the G80-8xxx series has browns or clears. Check the Great Finds subforum.

Here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cherry-MX-8000-POS-card-swipe-keyboard-PS2-WHITE-SWITCH-/330590827681?_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%2BIA%2BUA%2BFICS%2BUFI%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D320722040204%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2393305979740534451

kwantz · « **Reply #33 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 21:51:38 »

oh screw that noise lol... haha i didnt think it would be that much work and cost.... hopefully maybe one day there will be an alternative, but who knows maybe by then ill either have bought a blue or got use to these ones..... I love the **** out of the keyboard, its a little tank...... just has to get some use to i suppose.

Arcanius · « **Reply #34 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 21:55:32 »

To clarify, greasing the stabilizer is easy, just pop the key off, and apply lube to the mechanism around the switch.

Tony · « **Reply #35 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 00:02:18 »

Your experience is normal. After years of using rubber domes, every new user of mechanical keyboards tend to bottom out heavily. They don't know any other way than punching the keys.

When you are bottoming out, your fingers get the whole reaction force from the keyboards, and your fingers go longer. When your fingers realize that they can go only halfway on Cherry switches but the key still registers, you will type a lot lighter. And faster too.

Just give it more time. A month later you may feel that brown is the best switch, since you are typing on boobs and your fingers are having sex with your keyboard.

Johannes · « **Reply #36 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 02:06:05 »

Welcome to the club. Cherry browns are highly overrated. Soft-landing pads help though, if you are feeling geeky enough to spend an hour or so modding your board. They eliminate the harsh bottom-out clacks (but not the top-out ones)

kwantz · « **Reply #37 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 03:52:44 »

The Solutor · « **Reply #38 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 04:19:38 »

Funnily enough browns are suggested by everyone to the newbies, and are at the same time the worst kind of cherry switches, likely the worst kind of any mechanical keyboard.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #39 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 05:19:20 »

Quote from: kwantz;406683

the ****ers are soo silent even when you **** stab it, it doesnt yelp!

Best keyboard description I've ever heard XD

Arcanius · « **Reply #40 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 09:46:34 »

Quote from: The Solutor;406793

Funnily enough browns are suggested by everyone to the newbies, and are at the same time the worst kind of cherry switches, likely the worst kind of any mechanical keyboard.

So what would you suggest to noobs? It can't be blues or buckling springs, because they're loud, and can't be used by everybody as a daily driver, also, some may find the hysterisis annoying, although they do feel nice. Clears are hard to find and heavy, ergo clears aren't trivial to make for noobs, and end up being expensive. ALPS are friction-y, espeically on older boards, reds and blacks are linear and that may not be liked by many people new to mechanicals, Topre is expensive and arguably not even mechanical, Space Invaders, Futabas, NEC's, and all the other obscure switches are well, obscure and hard to find. Browns are light and not very tactile. Please, tell us what you would recommend, considering that switch preference is a completely personal matter?

The fact of the matter is that many people want a solid board that isn't clicky, and for availability issues, people have to tell them to go for browns. Any noob could browse the forum and wikis, and make a relatively thorough opinion on most switches, without even using them.

False_Dmitry_II · « **Reply #41 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 10:00:33 »

None of the alps I've used so far can be described as frictiony. Being mostly complicateds that also means they are old.

noodles256 · « **Reply #42 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 10:18:54 »

ping

quack

Arcanius · « **Reply #43 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 11:55:55 »

Quote from: False_Dmitry_II;406848

None of the alps I've used so far can be described as frictiony. Being mostly complicateds that also means they are old.

Some people have complained that ALPS bind on off-centre keypresses, that they're not as smooth as cherries, although less so for complicated ALPS, more so for simplified ALPS. (Did somebody say XMs?) However, looking at the last few threads on AT101s, people seem hesitant to recommend older black ALPS.

Chobopants · « **Reply #44 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 12:11:43 »

Quote from: The Solutor;406793

Funnily enough browns are suggested by everyone to the newbies, and are at the same time the worst kind of cherry switches, likely the worst kind of any mechanical keyboard.

Absolutely your opinion. Having quite a bit of experience with all sorts of switches, from BS to nearly every Cherry to Topre I swear by Browns. So yeah, I disagree with you quite strongly.

Overrated? I guess. I'm sure ergo clears are awesome and I will try them eventually (would love a switch try going around with some) but I love my Browns and they're still the switch I recommend to anyone new to mechanicals, though I'll do blues if they REALLY want clicky.

My Filco brown with white PBTs is my favorite (overall/jack of all trades) board even after trying all the others. It's legit good.

The Solutor · « **Reply #45 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 12:40:28 »

Quote from: Chobopants;406923

Absolutely your opinion.

Surely is not the Lady Gaga's or Mahatma Ghandi's opinion.

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Having quite a bit of experience with all sorts of switches, from BS to nearly every Cherry to Topre I swear by Browns. So yeah, I disagree with you quite strongly.

Topre doesn't count being not a mechanical keyboard, BS and blues are clicky, so not direct competitors.

All in all you've tried just the reds, that surely have more personality than browns.

The Solutor · « **Reply #46 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 12:49:52 »

Quote from: Arcanius;406840

So what would you suggest to noobs?

A worth microswitch KB or a good RD or scissor board.

What's the point to switch to mechanichal if the end result is worst than the one you can have with a good RD at a fraction of the cost ?

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It can't be blues or buckling springs, because they're loud, and can't be used by everybody as a daily driver

If silence is a requirement, they can't

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Clears are hard to find and heavy, ergo clears aren't trivial to make for noobs, and end up being expensive.

I can't agree here. On GH the default suggestion is 'get a brown filco !" a couple of cherry boards meant to have the ergo clears are less expensive than a single filco.

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ALPS are friction-y, espeically on older boards

Alps are frictiony on worn boards, but browns means surely friction w/o pleasure.

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Please, tell us what you would recommend, considering that switch preference is a completely personal matter?

More or less anything but the browns, being the worst compromise between all the competing features.

The Solutor · « **Reply #47 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 12:51:55 »

Quote from: ripster;406937

So you're saying Topres shouldn't be in the Mechanical Switch poll because they aren't mechanical?

Either exclude the topre or include also the other good RD like the Olivetti, the Keytronic or whatever.

The word of the day is "brain"

Bird · « **Reply #48 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 13:01:30 »

Three weeks. That's about the time i needed to truly rock my first mechanical.

woody · « **Reply #49 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 13:07:44 »

Quote from: The Solutor;406938

A worth microswitch KB or a good RD or scissor board.

What's the point to switch to mechanichal if the end result is worst than the one you can have with a good RD at a fraction of the cost ?

If you seriously compare MX browns with RD/scissors, then typing is not the primary objective you seek in a keyboard.

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Author Topic: Sooo dissapoint (Read 16222 times)

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