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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:51:25 »
Noob question -> Is there a way to see if the pcb is working without having switches soldered?I'm planning on buying all the components for the GH60 gradually,starting with case/pcb/plate and finally switches.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:23:22 »
Hey wow on so many levels! Thanks to all who made this so sweet and so soon!

We'll have to get Retro DSA as well as Retro Blue and Retro Green out to match this pace, AND we'll have to support all of those nice layouts!

Speaking of which, that 'samwisekoi' layout is meant to allow an embedded arrow pad.  I'll find and post a mockup, perhaps in Retro Green a la the Nuclear Data keyboard.

Anyhow, thanks very much!  Order coming soon.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:23:54 »
Order placed...

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:32:49 »
How is with assembly for Europe? Is anyone going to do it? And stabilizers aren't included, are they?
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:33:53 »
We'll have to get Retro DSA as well as Retro Blue and Retro Green out to match this pace, AND we'll have to support all of those nice layouts!


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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:34:55 »
How is with assembly for Europe? Is anyone going to do it? And stabilizers aren't incleded, are they?
I'm doing it.
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:36:12 »
What about GHPad integration?
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:42:41 »
Buy some Cherry/GMK doubleshot modifiers, we have you covered for just about any possible layout you wish as long as you like purple!

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:46:00 »
What switches and in what layout need to be rotated?
We'll try to have no switches rotated at 90 degrees. Only 0 and 180.

"We'll try" and "there are" are two different things. Are there any 90 degree switches anywhere on the board? If so what layouts and what switches?


I just wanna know so I can design a plate with the correct rotation of phantom cutouts
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:46:56 »
What about GHPad integration?
4-I/O extension port + all 5 rows are broken out.
We'll worry later, but it must be possible to integrate somehow. In the worst case just a ribbon cable between the boards somewhere inside the joined case.
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:49:38 »

"We'll try" and "there are" are two different things. Are there any 90 degree switches anywhere on the board? If so what layouts and what switches?


I just wanna know so I can design a plate with the correct rotation of phantom cutouts
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:49:48 »
What about GHPad integration?
4-I/O extension port + all 5 rows are broken out.
We'll worry later, but it must be possible to integrate somehow. In the worst case just a ribbon cable between the boards somewhere inside the joined case.

Would it be possible to have just another USB connection going to the computer for the GHpad? I'm not loving the idea of an attached GHpad to my GH60
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:53:36 »
What about GHPad integration?
4-I/O extension port + all 5 rows are broken out.
We'll worry later, but it must be possible to integrate somehow. In the worst case just a ribbon cable between the boards somewhere inside the joined case.

Would it be possible to have just another USB connection going to the computer for the GHpad? I'm not loving the idea of an attached GHpad to my GH60

Of course, that's the main option!
Ribbon only in case of a common case, where it can be nicely hidden.
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:55:25 »
What about GHPad integration?
4-I/O extension port + all 5 rows are broken out.
We'll worry later, but it must be possible to integrate somehow. In the worst case just a ribbon cable between the boards somewhere inside the joined case.

Would it be possible to have just another USB connection going to the computer for the GHpad? I'm not loving the idea of an attached GHpad to my GH60

Of course, that's the main option!
Ribbon only in case of a common case, where it can be nicely hidden.

Gottcha, thanks bub :P
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:09:19 »
Are we supposed to be able to acquire cases on our own? i kinda want one of The_Beast's cases

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:10:52 »
Are we supposed to be able to acquire cases on our own? i kinda want one of The_Beast's cases

Yes. Or you could go caseless.
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:11:51 »
Use cardboard
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:12:28 »
cardboard case sounds nice

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:12:39 »
or go cardboard-case style ! that's the swaggy way, will post pics once i get my poker pcb and plate so i can get measurements and build one =P


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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:52:07 »
Will there be an solderless option for people like me who don't know how to use a soldering iron that will have it all put together minus the case and the keycaps?

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:53:10 »
Will there be an solderless option for people like me who don't know how to use a soldering iron that will have it all put together minus the case and the keycaps?
There is (in the first post). I'll add more info soon.
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #71 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:56:17 »
I'm hoping someone may answer the questions regarding the plates soon. There have three or four people ask the same thing. I was ready to be like fourth in line to order, but things are a bit unclear...

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:59:48 »
Could you make a Pure 1.5x plate? Or would you say the Universal plates would be just as sturdy? And in that case, why not just offer those plates to help increase orders and decrease costs? (And yes, I understand the stab dilemma between the two)

It's in the order form. "ANSI 1.5x (pure shift) plate quantity"

Some people may not want the "Universal" plate, because they want to use plate-mount stabilizers.


Question that may solve my own above: for the ISO and ANSI HHKB layouts, is there a space available for the outside 1.5x key?

Yes, the hole is there in the plate. If you get the HHKB cover option when you order the case, it simply covers that hole.
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #73 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:09:20 »
I assume that the SMD-soldered option will be pick-and-place and not hand-soldered by one of you?
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:10:09 »
I assume that the SMD-soldered option will be pick-and-place and not hand-soldered by one of you?

You assume correctly, sir.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #75 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:15:02 »
Great.  Do we need to keep the GB open for ~2 months?
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:17:39 »
What's the difference between plate-mount stabs and pcb-mount?

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #77 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:22:37 »
Great.  Do we need to keep the GB open for ~2 months?

I month until orders close, 3 weeks to get all payments...seemed reasonable to me. You need this like NAO, or what?


What's the difference between plate-mount stabs and pcb-mount?

Um, well, plate mount Cherry stabs mount to the stab holes in the plate. PCB mount Cherry stabs mount to some holes in the PCB. Costar stabs use a different design, and ONLY mount to a plate.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #78 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:28:11 »
Yeah, I mean if I were to order the universal plate or the specific plate. What are the difference between the 2 if I were to use the different stabilizers

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:35:24 »
Yeah, I mean if I were to order the universal plate or the specific plate. What are the difference between the 2 if I were to use the different stabilizers

Some people just prefer one over the other. I personally prefer Cherry plate mount, because every once in a while, while removing keycaps on a board with PCB mount Cherry stabs, the stab will pull out of the PCB and I have to reinsert it.

Some people prefer Costar. Some people don't have a preference. If you would rather have the convenience of a universal plate, and don't care about which stabilizers you use, then you have the option go that route.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:48:01 »
I've been thinking for a couple of hours now, and the best layout for me seems to be a ANSI WKL with 1.75x right shift and a function key to the right of that, HHKB style. I don't really like PCB mounted Cherry stabilizers though, so if the HHKB layout uses a 7x spacebar (which it seems to do), will this plate also have the holes for the outer bottom row 1.5x keys?

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #81 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:51:34 »
Here is a layout for the GH60 "samwisekoi" -- including arrow keys.

[edit] I changed Shift_L to ISO 1.25 and added the tilde key.  WFD modified the 'samwisekoi' plate to match.  I will try to make all the 'special' keycaps available in the Klaxon/GH60/RGBY GB to come soon.[/edit]

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« Last Edit: Tue, 26 March 2013, 11:30:29 by samwisekoi »
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:56:28 »
Here is a layout for the GH60 "samwisekoi" -- including arrow keys.

WFD, I'd like to change Shift_R to ISO 1.25 and add the tilde key.  Can this be done for that version of the plate?

Thanks!

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It's not the plate. The PCB doesn't support a 1.25 R_Shift. That wasn't in our design.


My bad.  Shift_L.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:57:23 »
Here is a layout for the GH60 "samwisekoi" -- including arrow keys.

WFD, I'd like to change Shift_L to ISO 1.25 and add the tilde key.  Can this be done for that version of the plate?

Thanks!

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It's not the plate. The PCB doesn't support a 1.25 R_Shift. That wasn't in our design.

My bad.  Shift_L.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:05:09 »
Oh man, I really want this but I want my phantom too and I can't have both! More keys or an awesome HHKB w/ clears? Decisions decisions.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:07:10 »
You already know which decision is the right one...:D
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:07:43 »
You already know which decision is the right one...:D
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« Reply #87 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:09:06 »
both multiplied by two :D
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:13:53 »
going to get 1 hhkb now and 1 poker one possibly later...need to find the best plate for the hhkb

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« Reply #89 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:14:55 »
You already know which decision is the right one... :D
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:16:23 »
going to get 1 hhkb now and 1 poker one possibly later...need to find the best plate for the hhkb

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« Reply #91 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:31:54 »
Gonna place an order on sunday :)
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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #92 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:36:40 »
A huge THANK YOU for unsoldered option!!! Yes it's more tedious, but also more fun for me.  Will have to scan the local craigslist for a used toaster oven and get some paste, been a few years since I did production like that! :D
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« Reply #93 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:37:31 »
You can always do it with a good soldering iron!

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:37:42 »
I might have to start selling off my boards to buy more of these. It's all the stuff I like about my poker and pure, without the annoying parts.


Also, when it says "the switch color you want" is that any cherry color? Like can we do clears/grays/greens?


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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #95 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:41:32 »
I might have to start selling off my boards to buy more of these. It's all the stuff I like about my poker and pure, without the annoying parts.


Also, when it says "the switch color you want" is that any cherry color? Like can we do clears/grays/greens?

considering selling my das for another one of these...i want 2

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #96 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:41:51 »
Placed order for 2 SMD presoldered GH60 PCBs, 1 Ansi 1.5x Plate, 2 sets of costar stabs, 1 set of mx green switches, 1 set of mx red switches.

i was not sure if 7bit has MX Green Switches. If this is not possible that is cool, I can adapt.

This is very very exciting stuff. I am curious about assembly service. I could be interested in having that done to one of my boards depending on cost.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #97 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:42:59 »
I might have to start selling off my boards to buy more of these. It's all the stuff I like about my poker and pure, without the annoying parts.


Also, when it says "the switch color you want" is that any cherry color? Like can we do clears/grays/greens?

Hope so, I want to try milk/white switches.

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #98 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:43:39 »


considering selling my das for another one of these...i want 2

I know man, I want a linear (gray) and clicky (green or white) for sure, and maybe a tactile non clicky (clear).

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Re: GH60 Group Buy
« Reply #99 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:44:59 »
going to get 1 hhkb now and 1 poker one possibly later...need to find the best plate for the hhkb

ansi 1.5x

should i get ansi 1.5x or ansi 1.5 pure shift? i think i need to get the ansi 1.5 pure shift plate right? the real hhkb has a small 1.75 shift i think