What keyboard things will you never 'get'?

[Photoelectric]

youtube videos where 50% of the time is eaten up by the typist getting themselves ready

And another 10% by a flashy over-the-top intro.

[TimIsABat]

MX Blues. To me they sound like a cheap attempt at the BS boards. I rather have no click than a cheap plastic racket.

[MOZ]

MX Blues. To me they sound like a cheap attempt at the BS boards. I rather have no click than a cheap plastic racket.

It is a good thing we live many miles away.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

MX Blues. To me they sound like a cheap attempt at the BS boards. I rather have no click than a cheap plastic racket.

It is a good thing we live many miles away.

I don't. Want me to go break his fingers for you?  )

But seriously, Blues ARE inferior to BS. But then again, all the rest are inferior to Blues IMO...

[Thimplum]

I think that blues are OK. They're nice and tactile, which I like, but they're also too light for my tastes.

[Oobly]

I don't get how people just learn to use a "standard" layout board without question.

I don't get stagger, QWERTY layout and why the little fingers have to work so hard. Blech.

I used to be embarrassed that I couldn't touch-type until I started to learn to and realised that my "floating" hunt-and-peck was a whole lot more comfortable and better for my hands. So I still hunt-and-peck at decent speed, but with no embarrassment

Spending more than 10 dollars on a single keycap...

Bright backlighting.

Displays on keyboards.

[ynrozturk]

Ergodox. Keyboards full of clacks. The rainbow vomit thing. I just think it looks stupid. Half printed, half blank. Those Iron Man caps for like $30 which I think look silly.

[MKULTRA]

Ergodox. Keyboards full of clacks. The rainbow vomit thing. I just think it looks stupid. Half printed, half blank. Those Iron Man caps for like $30 which I think look silly.

Coming from the guy with a blackwidow and RAT7

[Jixr]

1. Egrodrox Forum spammers
2. keyboard typing test videos
3. pad printed keycaps
4. why people buy filcos over QFR/Xt's
5. Brown switches
6. The "gamer" boards styled by a 15 year old who has seen too many fast and the furious movies
7. old keyboards, IMB M's, etc. I get the retro thing, and have used them before, but its not for me I guess
8. People who don't type on mech boards
9. why its so hard to get all the cool korean keyboard part
10. why keyboard layouts are not symetrical, why can't the caps lock be the same size as the enter key, etc...
11. Why my room mate has over $3k in his tower, but won't even take my extra mech keyboard in favor of his logitech ( G19? )rubber dome. also, why in every FPS game he uses R for run instead of shift or another modifier key. his excuse for not wanting a mech board is "it dosent have a screen on it"

[ynrozturk]

Ergodox. Keyboards full of clacks. The rainbow vomit thing. I just think it looks stupid. Half printed, half blank. Those Iron Man caps for like $30 which I think look silly.

Coming from the guy with a blackwidow and RAT7

And?

I think the Blackwidow TE looks just fine, even better after I replaced the keycaps with blank keycaps. And to me the RAT 7 is the most comfortable mouse out there. So again.. your point?

[hcry4]

Ergodox. Keyboards full of clacks. The rainbow vomit thing. I just think it looks stupid. Half printed, half blank. Those Iron Man caps for like $30 which I think look silly.

Coming from the guy with a blackwidow and RAT7

And?

I think the Blackwidow TE looks just fine, even better after I replaced the keycaps with blank keycaps. And to me the RAT 7 is the most comfortable mouse out there. So again.. your point?

I believe he thinks your stuff looks silly...

[CommunistWitchDr]

That people who
a. Have the money for ergo boards
and
b. Don't work jobs that forbid outside keyboards (e.g. military contractors)
use standard keyboards.

Sorry, but after the first week with my edox I'd never be willing to go back and don't understand how anyone could.

[mauri]

Ergodox. Keyboards full of clacks. The rainbow vomit thing. I just think it looks stupid. Half printed, half blank. Those Iron Man caps for like $30 which I think look silly.

Take it back take it back now

unicorns unite

[Binge]

"right handed" keyboards with arrows and/or numpad on the right.

Shouldn't it be on the left so you can use your dominant hand for a mouse/trackball?

[metalliqaz]

People used to use their dominant hand for the numpad.  I'm a fan of TKL-mouse-numpad myself.

[ch_123]

7. old keyboards, IMB M's, etc. I get the retro thing, and have used them before, but its not for me I guess

Some of them are also quite nice to type on, even more so that some of the modern mechanical keyboards.

[noisyturtle]

The cost of Topre keyboards.

This is top for me too. I could build a board to my own specification for that amount, plus the Realforce case is ugly as sin. Now the HHKB on the other hand looks sexy, but is even more insanely priced.

[TimIsABat]

2. keyboard typing test videos

Kinda helped me in deciding what switch to use. Once I heard all the good blues videos, I knew I couldn't stand it. It made difference when I tried out a mx blue board, too. Helped me choose the HHKB Pro 2 as well and this board is my main board (pretty much the only board I will ever use...I don't even use my Model M much, but enjoy having it as part of my collection). Some people might not find them useful, but when I first started out...they really helped.

[Linkbane]

2. keyboard typing test videos

Kinda helped me in deciding what switch to use. Once I heard all the good blues videos, I knew I couldn't stand it. It made difference when I tried out a mx blue board, too. Helped me choose the HHKB Pro 2 as well and this board is my main board (pretty much the only board I will ever use...I don't even use my Model M much, but enjoy having it as part of my collection). Some people might not find them useful, but when I first started out...they really helped.

I think he means typing test videos in which one records their typing speeds.

[vatin]

People wittering on about how tenkeyless is ergonomically *sooooo* much better than a full keyboard when they are still using a staggered layout with QWERTY.

Also, backlit boards and novelty keycaps.

+1

[ch_123]

People wittering on about how tenkeyless is ergonomically *sooooo* much better than a full keyboard when they are still using a staggered layout with QWERTY.

Well, just because it isn't the most optimal configuration does not mean that it isn't more ergonomic than a standard keyboard.

[acer589]

Ergodox. Keyboards full of clacks. The rainbow vomit thing. I just think it looks stupid. Half printed, half blank. Those Iron Man caps for like $30 which I think look silly.

Coming from the guy with a blackwidow and RAT7

And?

I think the Blackwidow TE looks just fine, even better after I replaced the keycaps with blank keycaps. And to me the RAT 7 is the most comfortable mouse out there. So again.. your point?

I believe he thinks your stuff looks silly...

I'm kinda with him though. The tournament edition looks pretty good. It'd look about three times better if it wasn't shiny, but it still looks pretty good.  And I have heard that with all the customizability, the RATs are pretty comfy.

[vatin]

That people who
a. Have the money for ergo boards
and
b. Don't work jobs that forbid outside keyboards (e.g. military contractors)
use standard keyboards.

Sorry, but after the first week with my edox I'd never be willing to go back and don't understand how anyone could.

Exactly my thought.

[ynrozturk]

Ergodox. Keyboards full of clacks. The rainbow vomit thing. I just think it looks stupid. Half printed, half blank. Those Iron Man caps for like $30 which I think look silly.

Coming from the guy with a blackwidow and RAT7

And?

I think the Blackwidow TE looks just fine, even better after I replaced the keycaps with blank keycaps. And to me the RAT 7 is the most comfortable mouse out there. So again.. your point?

I believe he thinks your stuff looks silly...

I'm kinda with him though. The tournament edition looks pretty good. It'd look about three times better if it wasn't shiny, but it still looks pretty good.  And I have heard that with all the customizability, the RATs are pretty comfy.

The Tournament Edition isn't shiny. It has a matte finish and no back light, either. It's pretty subtle.

[daerid]

If you don't get the ErgoDox and you've tried it, fair enough.

If you don't get the ErgoDox and you haven't tried it, shut it and try one already.

[Kian]

Lighting on keyboards, even the caplocks, numlock, and scrolllock lights really bug me.

[Linkbane]

Not having directional keys on a mini board, considering how frequently used they are. The centimeter or so space possibly saved doesn't make sense to me when it is at the loss of often a lot of functionality (as I stare at the HHKB).
Companies that still use the same uninteresting font as thirty years ago; I like the aesthetic, even if just slightly different like that of the Leopold FC series, compared to cheap membrane keys. A little variety in the fonts that, granted, aren't seen much with touch typing, but are still important to the look.
Keyboards with massive extensions past the ends, like the CM Mech.

And I would say the severity of ergodox elitism. It's acceptable to a point, but the rabidity displayed is disconcerting and irritating.

[TimIsABat]

Not having directional keys on a mini board, considering how frequently used they are. The centimeter or so space possibly saved doesn't make sense to me when it is at the loss of often a lot of functionality (as I stare at the HHKB).
Companies that still use the same uninteresting font as thirty years ago; I like the aesthetic, even if just slightly different like that of the Leopold FC series, compared to cheap membrane keys. A little variety in the fonts that, granted, aren't seen much with touch typing, but are still important to the look.
Keyboards with massive extensions past the ends, like the CM Mech.

And I would say the severity of ergodox elitism. It's acceptable to a point, but the rabidity displayed is disconcerting and irritating.

It really isn't that hard to get to the directional keys on a HHKB. Like do you not have pinkies?

[Grim Fandango]

People wittering on about how tenkeyless is ergonomically *sooooo* much better than a full keyboard when they are still using a staggered layout with QWERTY.

Well, just because it isn't the most optimal configuration does not mean that it isn't more ergonomic than a standard keyboard.

Agreed. These are two separate things, both contributing to comfort in two separate ways.

[phatdood9]

split ergo keyboards ... just feel so weird to me   

[Glod]

i came across this thread finally, i never saw it before, i don't understand why the ErgoDox has been thrown around like its some unnecessary trend up there with novelty key caps.

I got to rant,

I understand if you are going to say you don't want one but please don't think users are some hipsters trying to prove something.  Listen, unless you are a keyboard collector, if you have an ErgoDox just because you can say you have an ErgoDox then please get rid of it--sell it to someone who actually wants it. ErgoDox owners have an ErgoDox because they were seeking it.

The ErgoDox (with slope) has been genuinely, and i mean it with full sincerity, a game changer for me. I doubt any ergonomic keyboard will stop RSI from happening if your using a keyboard 10-14 hours a day like me so it can't hurt trying to reduce it when you can and the ergodox to me helps and its more comfortable. that is all im trying to get across here. What is wrong with me thinking this?

/rant

as for the topic, I used to say i wasn't going to ever get a Korean custom keyboard but i kind of broke that by getting a GON Kitty Pad and ordering a GON enclosure for the GH60 so i think technically that means i own a korean custom. I also said when i joined geekhack that i wouldn't ever end up with a keyboard collection, OOPS.


Edit: Dont mind me i'm just having a really bad day, time to sleep it off.

[Linkbane]

Not having directional keys on a mini board, considering how frequently used they are. The centimeter or so space possibly saved doesn't make sense to me when it is at the loss of often a lot of functionality (as I stare at the HHKB).
Companies that still use the same uninteresting font as thirty years ago; I like the aesthetic, even if just slightly different like that of the Leopold FC series, compared to cheap membrane keys. A little variety in the fonts that, granted, aren't seen much with touch typing, but are still important to the look.
Keyboards with massive extensions past the ends, like the CM Mech.

And I would say the severity of ergodox elitism. It's acceptable to a point, but the rabidity displayed is disconcerting and irritating.

It really isn't that hard to get to the directional keys on a HHKB. Like do you not have pinkies?

When playing games or just generally navigating, I don't want to use two fingers to fulfill extremely basic functions like navigation. That's like making me press Ctrl so I can press the number keys.
Yes, people harp about how easy it is, but it's still two keys for something that should only need one. I mean, it's my opinion and that's why I prefer Leopold 60% layouts rather than HHKB, I don't have anything against it besides not liking the layout.

[tbc]

i have pinkies just fine....I also know reaching for that fn key is an unnatural position for said pinky.

someone PLEASE show me a video of using the arrow keys on a HHKB; are you supposed to use one finger? cause I use three on a cursor block.

[Pacifist]

Scroll Lock - What does it do? I've never used it in my lifetime, yet there it is...

That and numlock. I see how numlock works, but it just makes 4 buttons work on a numpad and waste the dedicated arrows on my board. Also on my 75% accidentally having it on making typing letters into numbers

[rowdy]

Scroll Lock - What does it do? I've never used it in my lifetime, yet there it is...

That and numlock. I see how numlock works, but it just makes 4 buttons work on a numpad and waste the dedicated arrows on my board. Also on my 75% accidentally having it on making typing letters into numbers

There's a guy I work with who, the first thing he does, is turn Num Lock off.  I have never seen him use the dedicated arrow keys.  He ALWAYS uses those on the num pad.

[BlueBär]

There's a guy I work with who, the first thing he does, is turn Num Lock off.  I have never seen him use the dedicated arrow keys.  He ALWAYS uses those on the num pad.

I do that too when I work with fullsize keyboards. I almost never use the numpad and therefore it bugs me that an LED is informing me about something I don't even care about.

[Thimplum]

Scroll Lock - What does it do? I've never used it in my lifetime, yet there it is...

That and numlock. I see how numlock works, but it just makes 4 buttons work on a numpad and waste the dedicated arrows on my board. Also on my 75% accidentally having it on making typing letters into numbers

Good luck using an F AT without it lol.

someone PLEASE show me a video of using the arrow keys on a HHKB; are you supposed to use one finger? cause I use three on a cursor block.

I don't have a video, but there is a function layer for that.

[esoomenona]

I use up to three fingers on my HHKB arrows. Hold down the Fn key with my pinky or sometimes thumb, then use my index and middle finger on the arrows (which are under [;'/, if you don't know).

[metalliqaz]

He means that he uses pointer, middle, ring fingers on the standard arrow block.  (I do that too)  The only movement is the middle finger for up/down.

On the HHKB, you can only use two at most, because of the cross pattern, instead of the inverted T.

I picture it as pointer and middle finger.  Either holding them over left/up, or left/right, or down/right.

[esoomenona]

I use index for left and down and middle for right and up.

And sorry. I knew what he meant, and I didn't intend to say that because it was the same amount of fingers, that it was the same thing. I use standard arrows like you described as well. I just wanted to let him know how I use the arrows on the HHKB, which was his question.

[ZeodoHokill]

Kbt race, I don't get it why it's discontinued

[amasokin]

Because the Race 2 is coming "soon" https://www.facebook.com/Vortexgear

[ZeodoHokill]

Because the Race 2 is coming "soon" https://www.facebook.com/Vortexgear

I don't get it I didn't notice, yeah~~~~~ 

[korrelate]

The ugly as h*ll windows flag key. And not just that... but two of them. Two keys. Ugly as h*ll. And why did that logo have to be surrounded by a a glossy recessed circle? I guess just to make it as ugly as possible. If at all possible, these should be completely banned. Blank keys are much preferred. Why does MS get to insinuate themselves on just about EVERY keyboard on the planet? Call it "Meta," or call it "Shell" or call it nothing at all.

[metalliqaz]

The ugly as h*ll windows flag key. And not just that... but two of them. Two keys. Ugly as h*ll. And why did that logo have to be surrounded by a a glossy recessed circle? I guess just to make it as ugly as possible. If at all possible, these should be completely banned. Blank keys are much preferred. Why does MS get to insinuate themselves on just about EVERY keyboard on the planet? Call it "Meta," or call it "Shell" or call it nothing at all.

It's called branding.  Apple does it even more.  There's no "Meta" key because nobody uses Unix/Linux on the desktop. (relative to Windows)

[Thimplum]

The ugly as h*ll windows flag key. And not just that... but two of them. Two keys. Ugly as h*ll. And why did that logo have to be surrounded by a a glossy recessed circle? I guess just to make it as ugly as possible. If at all possible, these should be completely banned. Blank keys are much preferred. Why does MS get to insinuate themselves on just about EVERY keyboard on the planet? Call it "Meta," or call it "Shell" or call it nothing at all.

They shouldn't even exist. Another great reason to use a Model M!

[Pacifist]

If you don't get the ErgoDox and you've tried it, fair enough.

If you don't get the ErgoDox and you haven't tried it, shut it and try one already.

Want to make me a ergodox with ergo clears?

[Thimplum]

If you don't get the ErgoDox and you've tried it, fair enough.

If you don't get the ErgoDox and you haven't tried it, shut it and try one already.

Want to make me a ergodox with ergo clears?

There are a variety of people who have done so, if you're asking if it's possible, or are you asking for assembly services?

[tbc]

thank you to everyone who described how to use the cursors on the HHKB.  The first time someone described it to me, they said pinky on fn and their index on j and pressing with their ring finger (very painful position).  The mental image (and my physical attempt at it) was utterly ridiculous.

I still think it sucks; but it makes more sense now.

[Pacifist]

If you don't get the ErgoDox and you've tried it, fair enough.

If you don't get the ErgoDox and you haven't tried it, shut it and try one already.

Want to make me a ergodox with ergo clears?

There are a variety of people who have done so, if you're asking if it's possible, or are you asking for assembly services?

He's telling me not to judge the ergodox until I try it out. So I'm asking for a sample