fake clack discussion

[danielucf]

And we have never seen the ClackFactory gas mask key to this day.......or at least I have not.

[MKULTRA]

And we have never seen the ClackFactory gas mask key to this day.......or at least I have not.

Well...   

[demik]

Guys send me your CCs and I'll authenticate them for free. Might take 1 day to 6 years to return them though.

[MKULTRA]

Guys send me your CCs and I'll authenticate them for free. Might take 1 day to 6 years to return them though.

Sounds legit

[demik]

I'm the MC hammer of legit. I just can't quit being legit.

Some might say... too legit to quit.

[bueller]

too legit to quit.

Damn it, beat me to it!

[Lu_e]

The stem is a dead giveaway... Clack Factory doesn't have the ****ty look to it.

[zenuty]

Opps My all caps are no pants  )

If you want proof i would show to you a pictures. 

Definitely going to need to see the bottom....

[zenuty]

Your wellcome
Maybe i will prepare SC2 ticket for you !

Wellcome to korea

If you are visit to korea that You are not need to Hotel.
I would give to you Food, Beer, Bed and G*ir*l*s

My home is  accommodate up to MAX 30 guests
I have experience many times for visit a group at my home.

If you want proof i would show to you a pictures. 

When can I visit? Definitely has to be during a major GSL or other SC2 event

[danielucf]

Your wellcome
Maybe i will prepare SC2 ticket for you !

Wellcome to korea

If you are visit to korea that You are not need to Hotel.
I would give to you Food, Beer, Bed and G*ir*l*s

My home is  accommodate up to MAX 30 guests
I have experience many times for visit a group at my home.

If you want proof i would show to you a pictures. 

When can I visit? Definitely has to be during a major GSL or other SC2 event

That would be awesome. I was sort of half joking, but if you ever wanted to visit Orlando for the Disney parks or Universal theme parks or any other reason I have a guest bedroom. I know I won't be able to make it to South Korea for a year or two unless something crazy happens.

[leesofi]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He knew about value of cc. Dont shield him.
He was even darkside.
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/5892593

[Pacifist]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He knew about value of cc. Dont shield him.
He was even darkside.
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/5892593

Wow. I think its clear at this point that drugER is guilty. He's owned multiple CCs, knows the price they go for, and most likely know's cc's marks.

[leesofi]

Wow. I think its clear at this point that drugER is guilty. He's owned multiple CCs, knows the price they go for, and most likely know's cc's marks.

i know he sold them for his mother`s surgery. now he has night owl, fake ccs and so on.
I dont understand he is clear mind, why he deleted his post of fake cc in korean community? but we can find with google cache:

[zenuty]

Yes im serious 

Appreciated it your kindness !
 

Your wellcome
Maybe i will prepare SC2 ticket for you !

Wellcome to korea

If you are visit to korea that You are not need to Hotel.
I would give to you Food, Beer, Bed and G*ir*l*s

My home is  accommodate up to MAX 30 guests
I have experience many times for visit a group at my home.

If you want proof i would show to you a pictures. 

When can I visit? Definitely has to be during a major GSL or other SC2 event

That would be awesome. I was sort of half joking, but if you ever wanted to visit Orlando for the Disney parks or Universal theme parks or any other reason I have a guest bedroom. I know I won't be able to make it to South Korea for a year or two unless something crazy happens.

[Glod]

This whole thing is depressing, more veteran community members we are losing trust with. i don't know what to think about people anymore. I hope he resolves this whole thing.

[zenuty]

Who cares about fake clacks? We're going to visit zenuty!!
) ) )

Do worry !
I just finished clear my mass up rooms for you !

[dustinhxc]

Elitism surrounding CCs would instantly disappear since the "exclusivity" of the item would be non-existent.

This will never ever happen because owning an original will immediately make you "elite" with an exclusive original. I wouldn't really call any CC owner elite any more, just lucky or hard working. They got their CCs by being in the right place at the right time either with money, communication, or luck in sales.

Also one of the worst things people think they see (elitism and "inner circle") comes from one of the nicest intentions. CC himself does something extremely nice and sends keys to people unannounced as a gift. He is trying to do something nice for someone that is a friend or acquaintance. You have no idea what conversation took place maybe in passing "Hey how have you been long time no talk via the interwebs" "kind of meh, personal problems, work sucks, blah blah blah, but I did some really fun stuff too, chit chat stuff", and then some keys get sent out. You as someone not privy to the conversation/situation see some clacks show up in the post your clacks thread with no sales recently and think the person is an "elite" in some cool club. All someone did was maybe have one or two conversations with CC ever and CC decides to do something nice. I used to think there was an elite group until I thought it out. Sure you see cool new stuff like glow in the dark skulls, or oktoberfest themed 420 caps, but someone needs to give them a test before a sale. That person is a guinea pig to make sure the keys came out alright to go on sale.

If you talk and communicate with people on a forum and put out a positive vibe and do nice things for people, others hear about it and reciprocate. Sometimes if you don't do anything nice at all like me someone still does something nice like eyesmiles sending me a toxic gift. He sure got me trying to do nice things to be worthy his gift though.

Couldn't of said it better, great post man! 

[deSheol]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He was taken over by greed, it seems. I offered my clacks and he accepted immediately, it made me wondered but I went with it anyway, I've already received the fake clacks, but never sent mine yet (was already suspicious then). I will be sending the fake clacks to CC.

I am surprised by the clack though, it is so damn similar, flawless, just feel like THEY could be doing something themselves of THEIR own design and art instead of copying.  I know for a fact that they might be doing something themselves, but releasing copy cats of another person's art?

-_-

[meiosis]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He was taken over by greed, it seems. I offered my clacks and he accepted immediately, it made me wondered but I went with it anyway, I've already received the fake clacks, but never sent mine yet (was already suspicious then). I will be sending the fake clacks to CC.

I am surprised by the clack though, it is so damn similar, flawless, just feel like THEY could be doing something themselves of THEIR own design and art instead of copying.  I know for a fact that they might be doing something themselves, but releasing copy cats of another person's art?

-_-

Honestly, not sure if that is any better...

You agreed to a trade and if it was actually legit how would it look like?

[deSheol]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He was taken over by greed, it seems. I offered my clacks and he accepted immediately, it made me wondered but I went with it anyway, I've already received the fake clacks, but never sent mine yet (was already suspicious then). I will be sending the fake clacks to CC.

I am surprised by the clack though, it is so damn similar, flawless, just feel like THEY could be doing something themselves of THEIR own design and art instead of copying.  I know for a fact that they might be doing something themselves, but releasing copy cats of another person's art?

-_-

Honestly, not sure if that is any better...

You agreed to a trade and if it was actually legit how would it look like?

If it was legit? It looks the SAME as what everyone posted, sharp corners, no FXE code.  If you think I was scamming, we made a deal of me receiving them FIRST.

He suggested to either sending them to CC or sending them back to him, why would I want to do that? I might as well just send them to CC, so he can burn them, eat them, or just put them in an acrylic casing for all I care.

[demik]

I am surprised by the clack though, it is so damn similar, flawless, just feel like THEY could be doing something themselves of THEIR own design and art instead of copying.  I know for a fact that they might be doing something themselves, but releasing copy cats of another person's art?

[yasuo]

Actually what difference authentic Clack with fake,just material or....?
sorry i can't see picture on pg one because slow connection

[Pacifist]

Actually what difference authentic Clack with fake,just material or....?

pls be kidding

its stealing cc's ideas and design

but physically no fxe or cf logo, sharp edges. material is probally close but not exact

[demik]

Actually what difference authentic Clack with fake,just material or....?

pls be kidding

its stealing cc's ideas and design

but physically no fxe or cf logo, sharp edges. material is probally close but not exact

You are quickly rising to the top as the most annoying knowitall that actually doesn't know ****. He asked a legit question. He's not excusing what the guy making fakes did.

[bueller]

Actually what difference authentic Clack with fake,just material or....?

pls be kidding

its stealing cc's ideas and design

but physically no fxe or cf logo, sharp edges. material is probally close but not exact

You are quickly rising to the top as the most annoying knowitall that actually doesn't know ****. He asked a legit question. He's not excusing what the guy making fakes did.

I'm actually starting to cringe before I even read his posts now.

[kenmai9]

Actually what difference authentic Clack with fake,just material or....?
sorry i can't see picture on pg one because slow connection

The middle one is the counterfeit one.

[meiosis]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He was taken over by greed, it seems. I offered my clacks and he accepted immediately, it made me wondered but I went with it anyway, I've already received the fake clacks, but never sent mine yet (was already suspicious then). I will be sending the fake clacks to CC.

I am surprised by the clack though, it is so damn similar, flawless, just feel like THEY could be doing something themselves of THEIR own design and art instead of copying.  I know for a fact that they might be doing something themselves, but releasing copy cats of another person's art?

-_-

Honestly, not sure if that is any better...

You agreed to a trade and if it was actually legit how would it look like?

If it was legit? It looks the SAME as what everyone posted, sharp corners, no FXE code.  If you think I was scamming, we made a deal of me receiving them FIRST.

He suggested to either sending them to CC or sending them back to him, why would I want to do that? I might as well just send them to CC, so he can burn them, eat them, or just put them in an acrylic casing for all I care.

Sorry then about the accusation, didn't know you had the deal going on with Druger since everyone else sent it at same time, almost as if he already knew it was fake. ._.

[MKULTRA]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He was taken over by greed, it seems. I offered my clacks and he accepted immediately, it made me wondered but I went with it anyway, I've already received the fake clacks, but never sent mine yet (was already suspicious then). I will be sending the fake clacks to CC.

I am surprised by the clack though, it is so damn similar, flawless, just feel like THEY could be doing something themselves of THEIR own design and art instead of copying.  I know for a fact that they might be doing something themselves, but releasing copy cats of another person's art?

-_-

Honestly, not sure if that is any better...

You agreed to a trade and if it was actually legit how would it look like?

If it was legit? It looks the SAME as what everyone posted, sharp corners, no FXE code.  If you think I was scamming, we made a deal of me receiving them FIRST.

He suggested to either sending them to CC or sending them back to him, why would I want to do that? I might as well just send them to CC, so he can burn them, eat them, or just put them in an acrylic casing for all I care.

Sorry then about the accusation, didn't know you had the deal going on with Druger since everyone else sent it at same time, almost as if he already knew it was fake. ._.

He sent mine without hesitation, 3 day shipping from Korea, didn't even ask if I shipped mine.  It was almost like he didn't even care.

[kenmai9]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He was taken over by greed, it seems. I offered my clacks and he accepted immediately, it made me wondered but I went with it anyway, I've already received the fake clacks, but never sent mine yet (was already suspicious then). I will be sending the fake clacks to CC.

I am surprised by the clack though, it is so damn similar, flawless, just feel like THEY could be doing something themselves of THEIR own design and art instead of copying.  I know for a fact that they might be doing something themselves, but releasing copy cats of another person's art?

-_-

Honestly, not sure if that is any better...

You agreed to a trade and if it was actually legit how would it look like?

If it was legit? It looks the SAME as what everyone posted, sharp corners, no FXE code.  If you think I was scamming, we made a deal of me receiving them FIRST.

He suggested to either sending them to CC or sending them back to him, why would I want to do that? I might as well just send them to CC, so he can burn them, eat them, or just put them in an acrylic casing for all I care.

Sorry then about the accusation, didn't know you had the deal going on with Druger since everyone else sent it at same time, almost as if he already knew it was fake. ._.

He sent mine without hesitation, 3 day shipping from Korea, didn't even ask if I shipped mine.  It was almost like he didn't even care.

Low risk with high gain

[YoungMichael88]

I can't say anything for certain but I feel like I should defend Martin a little here (if those were actual accusations against him that I read earlier). In this picture, the left and right walls of the cap seem a tad thicker than the top and bottom walls. The same is true of bunnies picture. Also the stem on both are poor quality. It's very thin at each tip of the MX cross section (+).
These thicker/thinner walls and stem quality are not consistent with the gas mask caps that I have. All four walls are uniform thickness and there is quite a bit more material around the + of the stems. Take from that what you will. I don't have the means to take quality bottom pictures of my gas masks but maybe someone could for a fair comparison? Like I said, I don't know for sure so I don't want to choose sides here but I'm inclined to say it's not Martin. Maybe I'm wrong. 

[deSheol]

I can't say anything for certain but I feel like I should defend Martin a little here (if those were actual accusations against him that I read earlier). In this picture, the left and right walls of the cap seem a tad thicker than the top and bottom walls. The same is true of bunnies picture. Also the stem on both are poor quality. It's very thin at each tip of the MX cross section (+).
These thicker/thinner walls and stem quality are not consistent with the gas mask caps that I have. All four walls are uniform thickness and there is quite a bit more material around the + of the stems. Take from that what you will. I don't have the means to take quality bottom pictures of my gas masks but maybe someone could for a fair comparison? Like I said, I don't know for sure so I don't want to choose sides here but I'm inclined to say it's not Martin. Maybe I'm wrong. 

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Not trying to point fingers, but it might be done before the creation of Gasmasks? Just a thought tho, but even if that's the case, the black gasmask martin did has different bottom than this one. I don't think it's made by Martin at all. Weren't they made in China? and Martin is situated in Hong kong?

[daetsid]

Has DrugER ever posted CCs before? Has he chimed up in CC topic centered threads? It is possible he had no idea how rare the keys were, or didn't care how rare they were not seeing a reason for insane inflated prices. Also often times in Redline threads it is hard to get suitable pictures from these guys, they can be one and done on the picture front so I can totally see why he might only take one picture of each key assuming others might know what they look like. It is also completely possible he knew exactly what he was doing, and who he was working with but we will never know for sure. He has admitted some fault, and said he is going to make it better and send the fake CCs to ClickClack himself as evidence while returning the traded items.

He was taken over by greed, it seems. I offered my clacks and he accepted immediately, it made me wondered but I went with it anyway, I've already received the fake clacks, but never sent mine yet (was already suspicious then). I will be sending the fake clacks to CC.

I am surprised by the clack though, it is so damn similar, flawless, just feel like THEY could be doing something themselves of THEIR own design and art instead of copying.  I know for a fact that they might be doing something themselves, but releasing copy cats of another person's art?

-_-

Honestly, not sure if that is any better...

You agreed to a trade and if it was actually legit how would it look like?

If it was legit? It looks the SAME as what everyone posted, sharp corners, no FXE code.  If you think I was scamming, we made a deal of me receiving them FIRST.

He suggested to either sending them to CC or sending them back to him, why would I want to do that? I might as well just send them to CC, so he can burn them, eat them, or just put them in an acrylic casing for all I care.

Sorry then about the accusation, didn't know you had the deal going on with Druger since everyone else sent it at same time, almost as if he already knew it was fake. ._.

He sent mine without hesitation, 3 day shipping from Korea, didn't even ask if I shipped mine.  It was almost like he didn't even care.

Wow, we are in the same situation. He offered cash + 2 translucent CC's for a rare keyboard. Since the beginning he wanted to trade both CC's right away, and actually I thought he was just simply and idiot (considering the last sale of a CC for $400). He hasn't answer my pm's since 4 days ago...now I understand why.

And he is a seller here as Red-Line?? Wow, what a community this GH is!

[snoopy]

I really start to wonder how many of those he had.... And how many are alredy traded for good/real stuff. We will see...

[MKULTRA]

Wow you're really going to judge the integrity of the GH community because of this one incident?  Logical.

[rowdy]

I really start to wonder how many of those he had.... And how many are alredy traded for good/real stuff. We will see...

I, too, was wondering this, and how many are still in circulation, perhaps in the possession of people who do not know they are fake.

[daetsid]

Wow you're really going to judge the integrity of the GH community because of this one incident?  Logical.

Oh I didn't really mean it in a bad way...It just surprised me that this guy has its own subforum as a vendor and he has the guts to sell fake clacks...

[deSheol]

Wow you're really going to judge the integrity of the GH community because of this one incident?  Logical.

Oh I didn't really mean it in a bad way...It just surprised me that this guy has its own subforum as a vendor and he has the guts to sell fake clacks...

Who knew? He was just a seller, for all we know, someone in gh might actually be a serial killer, but is addicted to keyboards and selling stuff.

Not me tho..

[fohat.digs]

for all we know, someone in gh might actually be a serial killer, but is addicted to keyboards

In that case, his weapon of choice would be a Model F.

[Krogenar]

for all we know, someone in gh might actually be a serial killer, but is addicted to keyboards

In that case, his weapon of choice would be a Model F.

Do we know of anyone who specializes in Model F's?    I vote that we all send our home addresses to fohat for evaluation. 

I still think CF should mark each keycap and take a photo so that in the future people could authenticate the markings. Each one is a little work of art unto itself, why not treat them as such? Even if these fakes are obvious fakes, they're likely to get better -- especially if we show the forger exactly where they fell short. So with a unique marking on each and a photo you'll make it harder to mass produce a lot of fake CCs. Sure, you might be able to make one really good forgery, of a single one, but multiples of the same one (with the same markings) would set off some alarm bells.

It's not perfect, but it would be better than letting a forger prosper.

[Photekq]

Haha, I'm sorry if my wall of text brought out some sort of insecurity that makes me seem like a 'pretentious ass' for giving reasons why the forum is falling apart and how it can be fixed. You don't agree or disagree with anyone at this point? Now THAT'S pretentious. You are everyone's best friend, am I right? (lol) Make up your mind and stop getting butthurt when someone with an intellectual response attempts to diagnose the issue.

Insecurity? What are you talking about?

I don't disagree or agree with anyone since there is no way of knowing where this will lead, and not enough information has been presented in order to make an educated guess yet. I don't see how that is pretentious. On the other hand... Intellectual response? Diagnosing the issue? "Perhaps what I'm suggesting will go over the heads of many short-sighted users", etc. etc. Now THAT'S pretentious. Your post was nothing other than you making a guess about what will come of this situation, and you expressing what you believe to be the best way forward IF what you guessed what will come of this situation actually happens.

And I'm not mad/butthurt about anything, other than the fake clacks/the maker of the fake clacks. I'm not going to argue any more.

[demik]

Oh my glob.  How did this turn into a fight with each other? For once we all had a common enemy!

[SpAmRaY]

Oh my glob.  How did this turn into a fight with each other? For once we all had a common enemy!

This is why its best to just hate everyone all the time, so much easier.

[demik]

Oh my glob.  How did this turn into a fight with each other? For once we all had a common enemy!

This is why its best to just hate everyone all the time, so much easier.

Preaching to the choir broham

[IPT]

Hehateme

[Krogenar]

Oh my glob.  How did this turn into a fight with each other? For once we all had a common enemy!

This is why its best to just hate everyone all the time, so much easier.

Also faster.

[Michael]

Oh my glob.  How did this turn into a fight with each other? For once we all had a common enemy!

This is why its best to just hate everyone all the time, so much easier.

Also faster.

[Wildcard]

Oh my glob.  How did this turn into a fight with each other? For once we all had a common enemy!

This is why its best to just hate everyone all the time, so much easier.

Preaching to the choir broham

Time to break out the Hulk keys

[oTurtlez]

for all we know, someone in gh might actually be a serial killer, but is addicted to keyboards

In that case, his weapon of choice would be a Model F.

Do we know of anyone who specializes in Model F's?    I vote that we all send our home addresses to fohat for evaluation. 

I still think CF should mark each keycap and take a photo so that in the future people could authenticate the markings. Each one is a little work of art unto itself, why not treat them as such? Even if these fakes are obvious fakes, they're likely to get better -- especially if we show the forger exactly where they fell short. So with a unique marking on each and a photo you'll make it harder to mass produce a lot of fake CCs. Sure, you might be able to make one really good forgery, of a single one, but multiples of the same one (with the same markings) would set off some alarm bells.

It's not perfect, but it would be better than letting a forger prosper.

I read the thread, but not sure if this was posted down the line... Why not just add Certificates of Authenticity into the mix? For all future clacks, individually number them, and have a matching certificate to go along with them. Whenever the key changes hand, so does the certificate. CC could even get one of those paper stamps in the shape of a skull to mark it and authenticate the certificate lol. Just my $0.02

[jdcarpe]

Anyone seen megaxpop's signature? Photoshop, or fake clacks?

[SpAmRaY]

Anyone seen megaxpop's signature? Photoshop, or fake clacks?

maybe both?