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No such thing as a free lunch...
« on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:18:08 »
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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.

The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:27:22 »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.html

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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.

The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??

+1

i really hate it when kids who get free lunches CUT IN THE ****ING LINE

you got that food for free, go ****ing wait in the back of the line like everyone else

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:28:42 »
Nothing is free. Not even breathing.
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:29:09 »
Nonsense, I get free lunches all the time. Mainly now, I just get free cookies and juice at the blood bank. Because I'm so poor :(

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:29:48 »
It's okay if all the kids had to work for their food. Can't be giving rich kids a free pass.

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:29:58 »
its going to get backlash cuz for the most part the people who get free lunches are lazy and don't work for their food.

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:30:28 »
let the kids who get free lunch pick up trash. that's only fair

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:35:12 »
let the kids who get free lunch pick up trash. that's only fair

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:36:41 »
let the kids who get free lunch pick up trash. that's only fair

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:41:06 »
+1 on this. People always cut in line and get free food. They all where $400 shoes and $100 hats. And forgot about g-shock for 'swag' I use my watch for keeping time lol. All those watches are not synced with the time and are 4 hours off average. I pay for my lunch, $20 a week. Get cookies and whatever they serve. MAKE EM WORK FOR FOOD!

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:42:31 »
It's okay if all the kids had to work for their food. Can't be giving rich kids a free pass.
Giving the rich kids a free pass by making them pay. Uhm...
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:45:11 »
It's okay if all the kids had to work for their food. Can't be giving rich kids a free pass.
Giving the rich kids a free pass by making them pay. Uhm...

No, they would have to work, too. Can't buy their way out.


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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:59:43 »
It's okay if all the kids had to work for their food. Can't be giving rich kids a free pass.
Giving the rich kids a free pass by making them pay. Uhm...

No, they would have to work, too. Can't buy their way out.
Yeah, I know, but I thought that paying being considered a free pass is silly logic. I'd sort of consider working a free pass.

You grab a mop and wipe the floors for a minute (Well, depends on cafeteria size), and get food for free. It's a win-win. You get physical exercise, and free food afterwards.
Paying is a lose-lose. You lose money and get lazy. Now I'm not the one to speak on the topic of laziness, but you get my point.
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:11:59 »
Are you ****ing kidding me? We're going to humiliate these kids because through no fault of their own they can't afford the normal price for a school lunch? And what in the hell does cutting in line have to do with anything? I can't believe anyone thinks this is a good idea. This is surely going to create a massive class division in the school. As it is, it's a fairly subtle thing for a student to get a free or reduced price lunch and it need not be a prominent indicator of status. But if we have a certain group of kids being made to perform labor at the school for their meals, this will create a clear and simple way for the others to set them apart, no doubt as some kind of subordinate class.

What makes this genius think there's some kind of myth of a free lunch? Does he think these kids don't go home and know about what difficulty there is in keeping the family fed, if they're at the poverty line? Does he think they don't know they're getting a free lunch precisely because it's sometimes difficult to be able to afford one and they're on the wrong side of that line? I got free lunches in school for a time, and I didn't go around thinking **** was going to fall into my lap all my life. I don't know what got into this guy's head that makes him think he needs to teach anyone a lesson, but he needs to put the god damn Heinlein down and go do something useful.

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:22:55 »
Seems pretty goofy to me.  The kids who don't need a free lunch aren't exactly paying for it out of their own pockets - their parents are paying.  So just because some student's parents can't pay, it makes sense to make the kids earn the lunch? 

I agree with the idea of working to get a "free" lunch in general, but in this case it doesn't even things out like it's meant to, given that the other kids aren't paying for their lunches either.

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:31:49 »
No, what they should do is this:

All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.

Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:48:11 »
No, what they should do is this:

All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.

Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.

Wait a minute....

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:08:45 »
No, what they should do is this:

All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.

Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.

Wait a minute....
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:10:38 »
No, what they should do is this:

All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.

Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.

Wait a minute....
Hungry games?



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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:12:04 »
No, what they should do is this:

All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.

Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.

Wait a minute....
Hungry games?

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:22:19 »
No, what they should do is this:

All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.

Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.

Wait a minute....
Hungry games?

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No, what they should do is this:

All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.

Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.

Wait a minute....
Hungry games?

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:29:08 »
I am almost surprised at this point that these out of touch politicians haven't proposed bringing back serfdom. Sorry to tell you Timmy, you have racked up lunch debt this year and are now property of the school as an indentured servant.

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:43:33 »
Dependence on entitlement programs is a real problem.  Not sure if this would help though.

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:43:51 »
Pacifist I thought you were just annoying at first. Now I see you're just an entitled dumb ****.
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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:47:46 »
Pacifist I thought you were just annoying at first. Now I see your just entitled dumb ****.

I think this is more PM material, considering it isn't really on topic.

I think hashbaz is right. Having people rely on getting stuff for free isn't going to do them any good, and could be very bad for them later on. However, I think all this would earn the school system would be lawsuits from the people who think they're entitled to get free things.

I would like to see schools put in a discounted meal rather than a free meal, if they want to do something about it.
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:50:52 »
considering it isn't really on topic.

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:54:11 »
The idea of giving kids a work ethic is a great idea, but I think ALL of the kids who have been given everything by mommy and daddy need to sweep some floors also.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:56:16 »
Pacifist I thought you were just annoying at first. Now I see your just entitled dumb ****.

I think this is more PM material, considering it isn't really on topic.

I think hashbaz is right. Having people rely on getting stuff for free isn't going to do them any good, and could be very bad for them later on. However, I think all this would earn the school system would be lawsuits from the people who think they're entitled to get free things.

I would like to see schools put in a discounted meal rather than a free meal, if they want to do something about it.
I'm talking about his stupid reasons why he backs this up.

I don't know how I feel about this tho. On one hand it's pretty ****ed up to single out a group of kids due to stuff out of their hands. On the other hand, well, I don't see how this is going to turn out well.
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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 13:59:58 »
The idea of giving kids a work ethic is a great idea, but I think ALL of the kids who have been given everything by mommy and daddy need to sweep some floors also.

I would agree with this completely, though that mostly just comes down to bad parenting and doesn't really have a ton to do with the school system
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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 14:15:04 »
Moronic idea. Last thing you want to be encouraging in school in segregation of different social strata, stigmatising one group, causing resentment of another, and as someone already said all the kids are essentially getting "free" lunches, the difference is who is paying for it - their parents or the state, but the end result to the individual kid is the same. The pupils are already receiving "free" education anyway, so how is throwing a lunch in having a huge impact on that? Speaking of education, wouldn't kids time at school be better spent learning and studying rather than sweeping floors and wiping tables?

However, I do think entitling some groups to free lunches and not to others to is generally unfair. In my view, lunches should either be made freely available to all pupils, or not at all. Means testing is bull**** and leads to situations where for example you have Family A, where neither parent works, whoa are entitled to free lunches, and Family B where both parents work two full-time minimum wage jobs who aren't entitled, because they're marginally better off economically. The system should reward work and effort rather than penalising it.
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 14:27:42 »
Moronic idea. Last thing you want to be encouraging in school in segregation of different social strata, stigmatising one group, causing resentment of another, and as someone already said all the kids are essentially getting "free" lunches, the difference is who is paying for it - their parents or the state, but the end result to the individual kid is the same. The pupils are already receiving "free" education anyway, so how is throwing a lunch in having a huge impact on that? Speaking of education, wouldn't kids time at school be better spent learning and studying rather than sweeping floors and wiping tables?

However, I do think entitling some groups to free lunches and not to others to is generally unfair. In my view, lunches should either be made freely available to all pupils, or not at all. Means testing is bull**** and leads to situations where for example you have Family A, where neither parent works, whoa are entitled to free lunches, and Family B where both parents work two full-time minimum wage jobs who aren't entitled, because they're marginally better off economically. The system should reward work and effort rather than penalising it.

You bring up a good point about the education being "free" (paid for by society).  It makes the whole idea of paying for lunch seem really petty.  I have no idea what the relative scales of costs are for the lunches vs. the teachers salaries, but it almost seems to make more sense to just make the lunch included in the tax burden.

Also, what sort of school are we all debating about here?  Is it one that requires the students to get a lunch from the school, or is it one that offers lunch and students/parents can opt to bring their own bag lunch?

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:28:14 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:31:29 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?

Because this isn't Russia.

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:31:49 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?

Because some of us make 'too much' money

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:37:40 »
+1. TBH, I'd argue they should do this for all kids, regardless of income status. There's way, way, WAY too many kids growing up these days thinking they're somehow entitled to **** that they didn't work or earn. Also, actually earning something means that it's valued more.

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:39:58 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?

Why should they? There's no such thing as "free". Somebody, somewhere has to pay for it. While I don't mind using taxes for social infrastructure, human nature has proven time and time again that those who receive for free will have no motivation to produce, and those who do produce and have the fruits of their labor given away to somebody who doesn't will have less and less motivation to produce until nobody is producing anything.

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:41:45 »
Giving away food is like the end of the world or something. Get back to work!

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:42:10 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?

War is more profitable than well fed kids
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:43:00 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?

War is more profitable than well fed kids

WAR what is it good for....

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:01:49 »
Giving away food is like the end of the world or something. Get back to work!
I would love to have this way of thinking here in my country ...
Here our politicians are used to give food to our children but WE are the ones whom are paying the bills!
*ucking third world ...

I do prefer a kid that knows that he has to fight for his food than one that sits and waits to be feed.
It's a shame, IMHO.
"bread and circuses" right?
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:04:23 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why should they?
on the planet where i grew up, kids were given two choices: get a free three-meal course or get a cash compensation if they didn't need a free lunch.
on your planet of the free and the brave, i guess, mopping the floor to get a free lunch makes more sense.
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:40:09 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?

Why should they? There's no such thing as "free". Somebody, somewhere has to pay for it. While I don't mind using taxes for social infrastructure, human nature has proven time and time again that those who receive for free will have no motivation to produce, and those who do produce and have the fruits of their labor given away to somebody who doesn't will have less and less motivation to produce until nobody is producing anything.

Where's your proof of this exactly? Why do countries like Luxembourg and Norway have higher GDP per capita and lower unemployment rates than the United States then? Which would indicate the opposite of what you're proposing.

Really, nonsensical stuff like this is only adding to the increasing image of the US as a country in gradual decline, seen as less developed than Europe, and on the verge of becoming a laughing stock.
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:41:42 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?

Why should they? There's no such thing as "free". Somebody, somewhere has to pay for it. While I don't mind using taxes for social infrastructure, human nature has proven time and time again that those who receive for free will have no motivation to produce, and those who do produce and have the fruits of their labor given away to somebody who doesn't will have less and less motivation to produce until nobody is producing anything.

Where's your proof of this exactly? Why do countries like Luxembourg and Norway have higher GDP per capita and lower unemployment rates than the United States then? Which would indicate the opposite of what you're proposing.

I think a big part of that is size and scaling.

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:42:14 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why should they?
on the planet where i grew up, kids were given two choices: get a free three-meal course or get a cash compensation if they didn't need a free lunch.
on your planet of the free and the brave, i guess, mopping the floor to get a free lunch makes more sense.

get paid to eat school lunch...that's more like it.....

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:43:50 »
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?

Why should they? There's no such thing as "free". Somebody, somewhere has to pay for it. While I don't mind using taxes for social infrastructure, human nature has proven time and time again that those who receive for free will have no motivation to produce, and those who do produce and have the fruits of their labor given away to somebody who doesn't will have less and less motivation to produce until nobody is producing anything.

Where's your proof of this exactly? Why do countries like Luxembourg and Norway have higher GDP per capita and lower unemployment rates than the United States then? Which would indicate the opposite of what you're proposing.

I think a big part of that is size and scaling.

Why not elaborate?

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:56:44 »
Look, these kids in 'Murica nowadays are lazy.  Kids in China and India at that age work 12 hours a day making your Nike shoes and your Apple iPhones.  They are learning valuable skills.  How can you compare real world experience like that with going to school?   You can't.  Sure they lose a finger now and again, but that child's loss is your gain.



Do you think those kids ^ in Asia have a free lunch?  Or any lunch?  They are lucky to get one meal per week.  So these kids in 'Murica are just spoiled.  We need more right thinking 'Muricans like this Rep. Jack Kingston (R-CA) guy.



He is the kind of man who will bring child-labor sweatshops back to 'Murica. 
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 17:11:58 »
Look, these kids in 'Murica nowadays are lazy.  Kids in China and India at that age work 12 hours a day making your Nike shoes and your Apple iPhones.  They are learning valuable skills.  How can you compare real world experience like that with going to school?   You can't.  Sure they lose a finger now and again, but that child's loss is your gain.

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Do you think those kids ^ in Asia have a free lunch?  Or any lunch?  They are lucky to get one meal per week.  So these kids in 'Murica are just spoiled.  We need more right thinking 'Muricans like this Rep. Jack Kingston (R-CA) guy.

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He is the kind of man who will bring child-labor sweatshops back to 'Murica.

I get that this is a joke post, but when the kids in China and India learn valuable skills, when will they use them when they're just making more of the same stuff?

I, for one, support the all-or-nothing approach. Either it's all free lunch or no free lunch. I think that the latter is better, as long as the free lunch is replaced with a discounted lunch with similar items (that is, if the free lunch is a cheese sandwich and some milk, as it was when I knew of them. If it's a regular lunch, then make them pay.)
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 17:48:33 »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.html

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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.

The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - The Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

Is food right, life, liberty and happiness for all, especially kids, isn't it?
So why this guy, Jack Kingston, wants "low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals" while the other kids don't?
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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 17:52:38 »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.html

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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.

The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - The Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

Is food right, life, liberty and happiness for all, especially kids, isn't it?
So why this guy, Jack Kingston, wants "low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals" while the other kids don't?
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The other kids are paying for it.  With money.

Also, when interpreting that quote, please keep in mind the difference between positive and negative rights.  They have vastly different implications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights

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Re: No such thing as a free lunch...
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 17:55:30 »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.html

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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.

The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - The Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

Is food right, life, liberty and happiness for all, especially kids, isn't it?
So why this guy, Jack Kingston, wants "low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals" while the other kids don't?
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Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.)

you see that R next to Ga? Stands for republican. Some (not all) republicans believe that if you aren't rich, you aren't worthy.

it all boils down to politics, not this guy actually giving a **** about what kids learn.
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