[IC] ALL NEW Midnight SA set

[justnits]

shipping price/method from the SP's gb system is pretty much a killer for international buyer if buying in bulk

Yeah, this really makes me think twice about joining this GB.

I mean I love the set and it was a no-brainer for me before to buy it, but these costs add up, especially since I can't combine shipping for Matt3o's 2 Group Buys that basically end at the same time. On top of that SP won't undervalue the items so I am looking at an additional  ~30$ of import taxes.

I am afraid I'll have to skip these GBs and save my money for Bunnylake's upcoming GMK sets

Maybe we can arrange a proxy solution for international shipping? I guess most of the orders will come from the US anyway so it shouldn't be too much of a hassle.

i guess most of us international buyers are hoping that matt3o will switch to the conventional system which everyone is familiar and comfortable with...deal breaker is still the shipping charge/method since this is one awesome looking set.

[LechnerDE]

Yeah, at least international buyers should get separate shipping otherwise the majority of them won't join which affects the prices for everyone.

[Matt3o]

when I first heard of the SP system I was super excited, theoretically it was a great service and in part it still is.

When we (fans) organize a GB we do not have to worry about certain problems that a company simply cannot ignore. The problem is mainly for international users anyway (mind you, like myself) who have to pay taxes and high shipping rates.

Please note anyway that this set is in Cherry font and the skull squadron includes 8 custom keys. The price of these two set might seem on par of other GBs but they actually include a lot of extras. Cherry font misses some of the keys in our GB, so they need to be manufactured, this raise the price but the new legends will be available back to the community.

For a comparison look at the recent RainDrop round 2, that has the same legends. The base set goes for $90, Midnight base + additional mods + additional spacebar goes for $90 as well (at 50 tier which is pretty low), but includes 9 more keys and 3 new custom legends. Nobody seems to notice, but at the end it's not that bad of a deal.

[LechnerDE]

For a comparison look at the recent RainDrop round 2, that has the same legends. The base set goes for $90, Midnight base + additional mods + additional spacebar goes for $90 as well (at 50 tier which is pretty low), but includes 9 more keys and 3 new custom legends. Nobody seems to notice, but at the end it's not that bad of a deal.

Nobody said it's a bad deal for the set itself. There are many unique keys and I agree the price is more than fair.

The thing that is bothering us are the additional costs. Most international buyers are looking at another 50+$ for shipping and taxes which is half the set! Bunny offers international shipping with tracking and insurance for 15$ without extra taxes (btw a base RainDrop set is 75$, The Deluxe Set with extra keys and a storage box costs 90$).

Just to be clear: This is not meant to critisize you Matt3o! I appreciate all the hard work you put into your latest GBs. We just want to point out the flaws in SP's new GB system and why it's basically only suitable for CONUS customers. Maybe we should do that in a separate thread...

I'll probably won't join, which is really sad because I like your designs

[Matt3o]

If bunny wants to take over I'm more than happy to give Midnight to him.

[StylinGreymon]

In principle, I'm not sure we should use a system that basically alienates international participants.
That can only hurt a groupbuy's chances for success, it seems.

[LechnerDE]

If bunny wants to take over I'm more than happy to give Midnight to him.

I am afraid Bunny is way to busy with his own GBs. Plus he is already helping out with the Calm Depths SA Set.

Besides that he is a vendor and if he takes over the sets will get a little more expensive for the CONUS customers and only international buyers would profit because they save on shipping and taxes.

I think the only viable solution for this situation is to make a deal with SP to allow one bulk order for an International proxy. If I understood Melissa correctly you can only order a one set basis right now.

[Matt3o]

If bunny wants to take over I'm more than happy to give Midnight to him.

I am afraid Bunny is way to busy with his own GBs. Plus he is already helping out with the Calm Depths SA Set.

Besides that he is a vendor and if he takes over the sets will get a little more expensive for the CONUS customers and only international buyers would profit because they save on shipping and taxes.

I think the only viable solution for this situation is to make a deal with SP to allow one bulk order for an International proxy. If I understood Melissa correctly you can only order a one set basis right now.

I could do that, but it is going to be expensive anyway (shipping to me + tax + shipping to you). I don't know if it is really worth

[LechnerDE]

If bunny wants to take over I'm more than happy to give Midnight to him.

I am afraid Bunny is way to busy with his own GBs. Plus he is already helping out with the Calm Depths SA Set.

Besides that he is a vendor and if he takes over the sets will get a little more expensive for the CONUS customers and only international buyers would profit because they save on shipping and taxes.

I think the only viable solution for this situation is to make a deal with SP to allow one bulk order for an International proxy. If I understood Melissa correctly you can only order a one set basis right now.

I could do that, but it is going to be expensive anyway (shipping to me + tax + shipping to you). I don't know if it is really worth

Yeah, this way we would end up with the same costs.

Therefore the proxy has to be in the US and use non flatrate shipping. If you take the smallest box / padded envelope possible it should be around ~15$.

[Matt3o]

open to this option if someone pops in

[BunnyLake]

just got linked this convo, this is matteos buy and im not interested in taking it over, however, if it can be arranged for that a bulk amount gets ordered for non conus users, i can arrange a conus address for the sets to be sent to, all the sets to be sent to me, and then i can ship them

itll cost about 100 dollars to ship 50 sets to me, so that divided by the buyers works out pretty good and will cut out the taxes and inflated shipping rate

aside form that cost, depending on the exchange rate it ends up costing me between 13 and 16 dollars (£9) to send things express international tracked on 1 -3 sets, not including packaging materials but i have tons and tons of that on hand

to slightly expand on the cost of the deluxe raindrop set, as stated above, the base set is 75 not 90, the deluxe not only comes with extra keys, but a display box, we have to pay to get those made, and shipped in large quantities to 2 different places around the world, individually pack the keysets into them which is time consuming, and they will then add a lot onto the cost of shipping them to the end user which we didnt reflect in shipping prices

[Matt3o]

thanks BunnyLake, I'll talk with SP about this option and let you know

[BunnyLake]

thanks BunnyLake, I'll talk with SP about this option and let you know

no problem, there are a lot of issues with sps new system, i think in its current state it isnt really suitable for use, but unless people use it they are not gonna be able to iron out the issues, im glad people like you are putting in the effort to make it successful, but it feels a bit like you have to fight against it right now rather than it making things simpler, im sure itll evolve and become better and more efficient over time because of people like you if sp are committed to making it work

[LechnerDE]

Thank you Bunny!

Splitting ~100$ among all international orders sound way better than direct shipping from SP.

This is hoping there are more than 5 international orders

I think ~20 international sets should be the MOQ here to make it worthwhile.

[BunnyLake]

Thank you Bunny!

Splitting ~100$ among all international orders sound way better than direct shipping from SP.

This is hoping there are more than 5 international orders

I think ~20 international sets should be the MOQ here to make it worthwhile.

well obviously shipping less sets is cheaper to me

for dcs sets, shipping about 50 base sets + tsangans and extras and such was about 100, sa was a lot more expensive, was about 100 for 25 sets or so, but obviously the cost will drop with less sets, but the option is there for epople if something can be sorted out

[PhineasRex]

Cherry legends

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Are the yellow arrow keys not available with the cherry font?

[Matt3o]

Cherry legends

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Are the yellow arrow keys not available with the cherry font?

dunno, just testing.

it seems more elegant this way.

[justnits]

Cherry legends

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Are the yellow arrow keys not available with the cherry font?

dunno, just testing.

it seems more elegant this way.

i prefer yellow arrow...kinda like wyse in a way...haha :)

[CommonCurt]

Cherry legends

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Are the yellow arrow keys not available with the cherry font?

dunno, just testing.

it seems more elegant this way.

Iam going to hold off for the SA set.  Hey Matt3o,  you are still going to offer the twilight (lighter color) Mods for both the DCS and SA sets correct?

[intelli78]

Are the legends translucent/meant for use with a backlit keyboard?

[SPLady]

Hey guys just wanted to give you an updated - we have lowered the international shipping charge from $26 to $15 in hopes that this might help (though at a small cost to ourselves). We are still working out the best way to handle this and hope that you bear with us once we get a few group buys under our belts with the new system.
- Melissa

[Elrick]

Iam going to hold off for the SA set.  Hey Matt3o,  you are still going to offer the twilight (lighter color) Mods for both the DCS and SA sets correct?

Most defintiely, let the noobs enjoy their DCS version  .  The REAL Key-set Profile shall be delivered in the SA form, that shall be the one to pounce on  .

[Matt3o]

Iam going to hold off for the SA set.  Hey Matt3o,  you are still going to offer the twilight (lighter color) Mods for both the DCS and SA sets correct?

yes, that is the idea.

Are the legends translucent/meant for use with a backlit keyboard?

Nope.

Hey guys just wanted to give you an updated - we have lowered the international shipping charge from $26 to $15 in hopes that this might help (though at a small cost to ourselves). We are still working out the best way to handle this and hope that you bear with us once we get a few group buys under our belts with the new system.
- Melissa

that's GREAT news! Thanks Melissa!

[LechnerDE]

Hey guys just wanted to give you an updated - we have lowered the international shipping charge from $26 to $15 in hopes that this might help (though at a small cost to ourselves). We are still working out the best way to handle this and hope that you bear with us once we get a few group buys under our belts with the new system.
- Melissa

That's really awesome news. Thank you very much!

Now you just need to forget to write the real value of the keycaps on the box

[Reckthor]

interested

[justnits]

i was wondering, when is this starting?

[Elrick]

i was wondering, when is this starting?

I think he's already running another 2 GB's at this very moment.  Correct me if I'm wrong here........

Maybe the poor guy wants a little breathing space before opening this one as well.  Maybe he wants to break BunnyLake's record for maximum Group Buys running concurrently  .

[justnits]

i was wondering, when is this starting?

I think he's already running another 2 GB's at this very moment.  Correct me if I'm wrong here........

Maybe the poor guy wants a little breathing space before opening this one as well.  Maybe he wants to break BunnyLake's record for maximum Group Buys running concurrently  .

bunny seems to be the current leader in holding the most concurrent GB i think 

i asked cuz matt did mention that macross and midnight will be running together. but i guess it's due to the SP's gb system that is not flexible for international buyer is making matt holding back this gb for now?

[Matt3o]

Midnight will likely start today

[skuko]

would buy this in DSA

[Matt3o]

They are ironing down the last few bugs on the GB system, I'll push this when everything will be fixed.

[KaLam1ty]

It might be too late to ask this but, for us 60% users,
is it possible to get an addon that makes the 5678 keys the lighter blue base ala the function keys?

Also, are there any alternatives to the moon/WIN key?

[Matt3o]

It might be too late to ask this but, for us 60% users,
is it possible to get an addon that makes the 5678 keys the lighter blue base ala the function keys?

nope, sorry.

Also, are there any alternatives to the moon/WIN key?

I might introduce blanks

[KaLam1ty]

Also, are there any alternatives to the moon/WIN key?

I might introduce blanks

Blanks would be awesome!

[wasabah]

Blanks would be awesome!

Yes, definitely! I was already disappointed that the Skull Squadron didn't have any blanks.

[noisyturtle]

I got some thick high-profile caps with a very similar colorway in my crapbag which really stood out, so now I'm very excited for this one 

[KaLam1ty]

I got some thick high-profile caps with a very similar colorway in my crapbag which really stood out, so now I'm very excited for this one 

Mind sharing what the cap looks like? Would love to get some sort of irl color depiction  .

[BunnyLake]

I got some thick high-profile caps with a very similar colorway in my crapbag which really stood out, so now I'm very excited for this one 

[Firebolt1914]

I would totally buy this keycap set, depending on the price

[KaLam1ty]

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My blood pressure just sky rocketed..

@ Firebolt,
I believe Matt said in a previous post that it would be somewhere around 90USD -- given that the package will include a lot of things.

[noisyturtle]

I really love this set, and interest has grown after seeing the Calm Depths set in person(if only it wasn't SA profile.) The only issue I have is the yellow coloring on the arrows. I dunno if this has been addressed ITT yet, but it seems offputting. The yellow doesn't seem to match the mood of the set, nor the colorway whatsoever. Would you consider changing it to something that matches the rest of the sets coloring a bit better?

[jufa]

yap, why the arrow with yellow color ?

[LechnerDE]

I guess the yellow on the arrow keys is supposed to pick up the the color of the ESC and the ENTER key.

But I agree, I could live without it

[Matt3o]

when I post a picture with yellow arrows, people want blue arrows. When I put the blue arrows, people want the yellow arrow back. I'll choose it for your, don't worry

[LechnerDE]

when I post a picture with yellow arrows, people want blue arrows. When I put the blue arrows, people want the yellow arrow back. I'll choose it for your, don't worry

Fair enough   

[Hofy]

60% , we dont need no stinking arrows! 

[Kempher]

I'm very interested and would love to see it get under way. I too would like to see blanks for this.

[Rewind]

I love the yellow accents on esc/enter/arrows.

Bright stars in the night sky 

[soufun4roland]

I've been waitting a long time for something like this...and I wish it would become real as soon as possible.
Lange habe ich schon auf sowas gewartet,und ich hoffe dass es in der naeheren Zukunft realisiert wird .

[Matt3o]

just after the granite set. I'll work on a 3D render and then we can start this too.