[IC] ALL NEW Midnight SA set

[LechnerDE]

Thanks for giving the ISO set some love and include alphas with legends and not just blank caps!

Maybe you could also squeeze in twilight Enter+Shift?

[Matt3o]

Thanks for giving the ISO set some love and include alphas with legends and not just blank caps!

Maybe you could also squeeze in twilight Enter+Shift?

I would love to but unfortunately ISO Enter is expensive and we have to make a decision on coloring. I will try to ask a quotation for both options but I'm pretty sure it won't come cheap.

[Cods]

The SA kits look awesome.
Waiting for the GB...

[Zebadule]

Looking good! I'm glad that there's some color to the ErgoDox and Blank sets, it helps make those legend-less keys more interesting.

Does anyone else have interest in an alternate homing key set for the SA keys? I'm thinking it's something I'd like, but it sounds like more people would need to speak up to make it happen.

[Matt3o]

but it sounds like more people would need to speak up to make it happen.

THIS!

[Matt3o]

Tiny weeny update to SA (posting both to prevent people thinking dcs is no more)

DCS


SA

[agodinhost]

midnight dox kit!
+1

again, awesome work Matt3o.

[Zebadule]

I like the "SENTUH" kit, that makes me ridiculously happy, even it it may still not happen yet. Wouldn't we need a regular F/J in it too?

Has anyone done much in the way of advertising this on other forums? I really want this to be a success, so I could go make a post on a few places, especially now that it sounds like it's so close to launching.

[Matt3o]

What do you think of this instead?

SA




DCS (unchanged)

[CPTBadAss]

Matt30, I like that updated profile kit setup for the SA sets a lot.

[Matt3o]

The problem is that we are running 2 versions (slant+flat) and also DCS. I hardly see it reaching high tiers, the kits are very much diluted.

[Zebadule]

That would be my worry too about trying to run both at once. The SA kit has everything I've every wanted in a key set, so I'll try to champion that one/spread the word, but my experience says most people may go for what's most familiar (i.e. DCS). Has anyone else tried to run two profiles at once before? I'm not sure I've ever seen it happen (not to say that it wouldn't work).

[CPTBadAss]

The problem is that we are running 2 versions (slant+flat) and also DCS. I hardly see it reaching high tiers, the kits are very much diluted.

In that case, maybe it's better to just ram through one profile. Compromise on a profile so that we can get the caps at all.

[jdcarpe]

The problem is that we are running 2 versions (slant+flat) and also DCS. I hardly see it reaching high tiers, the kits are very much diluted.

In that case, maybe it's better to just ram through one profile. Compromise on a profile so that we can get the caps at all.

Maybe another poll is in order. I didn't get the chance to say anything about the SA profile rows before Matt3o posted the kits, because I had missed most of the IC up to that point. But I would definitely NOT buy a R3-only SA set, would definitely buy a slanted SA set, and would probably buy a DCS set regardless.

Edit: Also, I would probably NOT buy another 3-1-2-3-3-3 set.

[CPTBadAss]

I'd agree with that, another poll couldn't hurt. I'd prefer the slant kit as well.

[Matt3o]

ok, let's start with DCS and keep discussing about SA. As soon as DCS tips we can run SA.

how does it sound?

[Cods]

Set looks great - I really like what you've done Matt3o. 

I'm not interested in DCS, but will buy the SA sets once released.

[Heliosphere]

Just to clarify according to the latest images, SA will not include a gamer kit nor a full twilight modifier set?

I am fine with any form factor. My only concern is that I will want to buy all the sets if DCS and SA run!

[Hofy]

I am ok with waiting for SA if DCS runs first.  Gotta get the sets to tip.

[CommonCurt]

Just to clarify according to the latest images, SA will not include a gamer kit nor a full twilight modifier set?

I am fine with any form factor. My only concern is that I will want to buy all the sets if DCS and SA run!

I was also wondering why the SA set didn't have the Twilight mods?

[Elrick]

I was also wondering why the SA set didn't have the Twilight mods?

You should know by now that DCS still rules here on Geekhack.  They still get all the extras and whatnots  .

[Zebadule]

It would be interesting to run the poll again and see what ends up on top considering how long it's been and how many iterations each set has gone through. Then again, I suppose the buy does need to start at some point...

[slickmamba]

I would also like to vote for SA.  Everything is looking good !

[Matt3o]

SA does have a WASD option (look closer)

Why no twilight in SA?
Because we already have slant + flat options. If I had to add twilight we would end up with a gazillion sets and none of them would meet the MOQ.

The solution would be so settle on slant OR flat and add the twilight mods back.

[Heliosphere]

SA does have a WASD option (look closer)

Why no twilight in SA?
Because we already have slant + flat options. If I had to add twilight we would end up with a gazillion sets and none of them would meet the MOQ.

The solution would be so settle on slant OR flat and add the twilight mods back.

I see that SA has the twilight WASD, but not the Glow or Transparent(?) WASD sets shown in the DCS. I understand though how there may be too many options and would be too costly to implement in SA.

[Matt3o]

what do you think of making the base kit on variable rows and then add full ergodox kit (with alphas et all) on row3?

[eMps]

My wallet says I must resist, but it's such a gorgeous set...

Colemak user signing in, so +1 for extra homing

[Zebadule]

what do you think of making the base kit on variable rows and then add full ergodox kit (with alphas et all) on row3?

That's an interesting idea. I'm not sure what that would do to the chances of hitting MOQ for the alternate homing keys, but clearly hitting MOQ on the set period is the more important issue. I love the current options, but could completely understand if you want to run it that way. The most important thing would be to gauge how many users want all R3 vs. how many want variable rows (looking through the thread, it seem like there's significant interest in both).

I'm not sure if this option would be popular at all, but what about choosing SA or DCS first and then running the next profile a while later? I feel like the biggest obstacle here to making it work is trying to run a number of kits in two profiles at once.

[Matt3o]

I will push the midnight DCS today or tomorrow. We can keep talking about SA for some more days. I will also ask for a quotation for SA to see where we are heading.

[Cods]

Apologies: I'm aware that I am both new and talkative, so I will try and contain my enthusiasm...

In SA I would be keen on both the All R3 and the Slant sets.
I really want all R3, however I am intrigued by the idea of the R3 lower plus slanted upper rows. I've not seen that before (although that's not saying very much).

Or, if it's offered with Slant as primary, and All R3 is available only via an all-in-Ergodox-&-R3 kit, well, that route is OK too. Whatever is most likely to get up.

[Matt3o]

I definitely want to do the SA kit right. I'd also like to add the twilight mods to it if we find the way.

I must say that I like the current setup even if it lacks some options. Let's see how the price looks like as we are now.

[Elrick]

I definitely want to do the SA kit right. I'd also like to add the twilight mods to it if we find the way.

I must say that I like the current setup even if it lacks some options. Let's see how the price looks like as we are now.

Just do what you feel is right.  Like in every GB you run, it'll go brilliant because those that love either DCS and/or SA will have so much choice here  .

[agodinhost]

Would be cool to have blank packs for other sizes too:
- 1.25, 1.5, 1.75 and 2.
I think it would be enough to cover some odd layouts (like I'm used to use).

[zah]

With the SA profile could you also include a 4.5 spacebar.  Not sure if it'd hit MOQ, but I think it did with the commando set. 
I really want a replacement key set for the pure pro, love the layout;  I've used mine forever and the stock keys are getting really worn.

[Matt3o]

sure, no problem with the spacebars.

[JinDesu]

I would prefer SA but could try DCS on my Race keyboard. It's a lovely looking set.

[GSimon]

sure, no problem with the spacebars.

Are the 6.25 spacebars universal? Now that I have a leopold I see myself needing to ask this question a lot in the future

[Matt3o]

DCS 6.25 is universal, yes.

[agodinhost]

and the blancks?
is is possible?

[Matt3o]

up to 1.75 are pretty inexpensive.

[LechnerDE]

sure, no problem with the spacebars.

Are the 6.25 spacebars universal? Now that I have a leopold I see myself needing to ask this question a lot in the future

Keep in mind that the universal spacebar only works on the FC200 and afaik also on the new FC750R.

But it will definitely NOT fit on a FC500R or a FC700R!

[GSimon]

DCS 6.25 is universal, yes.

Nice! Though I'm a big fan of SA (or possible DSA) of this set. Any word on the spacebar for those sets?

sure, no problem with the spacebars.

Are the 6.25 spacebars universal? Now that I have a leopold I see myself needing to ask this question a lot in the future

Keep in mind that the universal spacebar only works on the FC200 and afaik also on the new FC750R.

But it will definitely NOT fit on a FC500R or a FC700R!

Thanks, though ya should of mentioned I have the FC750R.

[Matt3o]

Only DCS has universal spacebar methinks

[Matt3o]

... waiting for quotation...

[KaLam1ty]

Does anyone have any examples or photos of what an all R3 SA profile setup looks like?

The more I think about the SA set, the more I'm leaning towards it vs. DCS, but I'm unsure as to
whether I'll like all R3 or variable rows. Most of the photos I've googled for SA profiles are all variable
aside from some of the ergodox sets floating around.

I feel like a non-variable profile will look better on a Poker 2 and might be a good alternative.

[jdcarpe]

Does anyone have any examples or photos of what an all R3 SA profile setup looks like?

The more I think about the SA set, the more I'm leaning towards it vs. DCS, but I'm unsure as to
whether I'll like all R3 or variable rows. Most of the photos I've googled for SA profiles are all variable
aside from some of the ergodox sets floating around.

I feel like a non-variable profile will look better on a Poker 2 and might be a good alternative.

It doesn't matter how it looks, it's all about how it feels, man.

[slickmamba]

I guess it would be:
Does anyone have a review of varible row SA vs r3 SA? 

[Matt3o]

got the quote for Midnight in DCS. Everything looks fine. A base set (alpha+mods) ends up at $70 and the additional kits are all very nicely priced.

I will set the MOQ for the base set to 100 and 50 for each modifier kit. ISO kit will have both enters (midnight AND twilight).

Tomorrow I will push everything to PMK and we can start. Then we will talk about SA.

[Heliosphere]

I can't wait! If we spread the word about the group buy we should have no problem getting to MOQ.

[jdcarpe]

I can't wait! If we spread the word about the group buy we should have no problem getting to MOQ.

You're not talking about signatures, I hope.