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Offline davkol

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 03:25:23 »
nevermind, damn Google Image search

back on topic: damn once again, the patent is two years old and linked in the article I linked earlier.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 03:47:13 »
Hey, shaaniqbal. You've been already called out for being a !@#$ elsewhere, no need to repeat that. The preceding "discussion" wasn't any different from this.

Actually davkol, it was I who called you out for being a dumbass elsewhere.

The patent is two years old, yes. Doesn't mean they won't ever release something with it. Personally I hope they do. I love short travel keyboards.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 03:54:49 »
It looks like they are making something that looks very similar to IBM's beam spring switches. I'll bite once it comes out.

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Beam_Spring

This sounds interesting. Thanks for the link.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 06:31:02 »
Anyway, Synaptics ThinTouch looked more promising (it faked feeling of longer key travel), but it didn't go anywhere either...

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 07:03:29 »
The video for that looks cool. It looks like you can press a key a certain pressure and it would do a lower case letter, and then press a bit harder and you have an upper case letter. That's an intriguing idea. Actually I wonder why analogue keyboard buttons aren't used on keyboards. Or at least for certain keys they could be used, they've been on game controllers for ages. Browsing their site they do have a pressure sensitive touchpad out, the Synaptics Forcepad. I'd like to have a look at the design patent for the ThinTouch to see the details of it. Not sure if it's this. How does it accomplish "faking" of long travel?

Edit: Ah, something about a "tactile perceptional illusion":

[...][0042] The planar-translation-responsiveness-to-vertical-travel technology introduced herein takes advantage of a tactile perceptional illusion where a person misinterprets an atypical force experience of his fingertip as a typical force experience. For example, with the new technology, when a person presses and releases a key of a keyboard, the person feels a force normal to his fingertip as the key presses back against his fingertip as the key moves only in the Z-direction (e.g., up and down) and unexpected tangential forces are misinterpreted as normal forces. In this way, the person obtains a "feel" of a typical key travel of the keys of the keyboard. This is so, at least in part, because humans cannot perceive directionality for sufficiently small motions but can still perceive relative changes in force due to skin shear.[...]
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 13:29:29 »
Well, all mechanicals are ugly, noisy and basically a rip off IMO.
You’re going to have to further unpack/elaborate that comment. As it stands, it’s basically just flamebait on a forum for mechanical keyboard enthusiasts.

Mechanical keyboards, in general, promote faster and more accurate typing, are more comfortable (lead to fewer repetitive stress injuries), are considered by many/most to be more pleasant to use, and are much more durable than rubber dome or scissor-switch keyboards. As long as it’s not bothering someone sitting near by, loudness is a feature, because audio feedback improves typing speed and accuracy (this is measurable, though I don’t have links to papers off-hand).

Ugliness is a matter of personal taste, but I also think they tend to look better. And whether something is a “rip off” I suppose depends on what you value. Considering that many or perhaps most of the people on this forum do some kind of “knowledge work”, and use a computer keyboard all day every day to do their jobs, a few hundred dollars is a fairly insignificant amount to pay for an improved experience.

There’s such a huge variety of mechanical keyboards, however, that it’s hard to lump them together.

But again, which mechanical keyboards, specifically, have you tried?

You're absolutely right Jaco. I mean, just look at my WPM score. Ever since adopting the use of mech keys, I've just been blazing it.  :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 17:10:07 »
If that 242 WPM is your real score on 10FF, I'm impressed. Do you have a profile on Typeracer?

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 18:32:42 »
holy **** this thread sucks ass.
No, he’s not around. How that sound to ya? Jot it down.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #58 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 19:49:20 »
I have no idea what is going on here .

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #59 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 20:56:26 »
I wonder where shaaniqbal developed his / her debate skills. At the colliseum? With such logic loaded sentence like: all mechanical keyboards are ugly blah blah... What a great rethoric. Don't you think?

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #60 on: Sat, 08 March 2014, 22:19:13 »
Everyone:

Please keep this on topic.

This is a topic about apple switches, and the possibility of their manufacture.

You are all allowed to make a topic about debates, or skills or whatever in the off-topic forum. I will gladly consider moving anyone's post to such a topic that requests it of me.

Let's make page 3 an "on-topic" page.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 09 March 2014, 00:09:10 »
Thank you, dorkvader :)

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I wonder where shaaniqbal developed his / her debate skills. At the colliseum? With such logic loaded sentence like: all mechanical keyboards are ugly blah blah... What a great rethoric. Don't you think?

Butthurt detected.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 10 March 2014, 01:02:56 »
So, does anyone feel like modeling this key out in some 3d program or something?
I can't really picture how it will work. I wonder if it will feel like an omron mouse switch.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 10 March 2014, 14:52:47 »
I'd hope it would feel just like their current scissor switches on the Apple wireless except shorter.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 11 March 2014, 15:59:22 »
apple should go back to alps. there keyboards have been straight awful for at least 15 years.

the scissor switch boards are really crappy and the imac boards before them were the worst keyboards ever produced.

i for one welcome apple to come back to the fold of mechanical switches. they use to make some really nice boards (even though they were alps).  i am not too sure about the logistics of this new switch in the patent (i would have to try it first before judging) but from what i read i think the actuation force would be absurdly high on these.

but anything is better than what apple produces today.  they make really nice hardware and really bad keyboards.  i love my old lady's mac book pro as a laptop. solid aluminum body, descent screen, sturdy, etc. 

i think apple should just save themselves some effort and buy Matias. Matias is the only company making keyboards in the true vein of apple's original concept.  nice boards too. 

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 11 March 2014, 17:40:46 »
Hm, I'm not sure the actuation force would be higher. As I understand it the elastomeric spacer would be would be what the user depresses rather than the metal dome directly. The metal dome then provides the bounce back sensation. Or something.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 11 March 2014, 18:04:05 »
Apple does have a need to create a very thin, yet still usable keyboard for its portable devices. Tactile feedback is crucial for a decent keyboard, but it seems to me there's a practical limit to how thin a keyboard can be. "Typing" on glass doesn't work because there's no feedback on where you are on the keyboard. And if you create a physical keyboard that's too thin, how will a user know when they've clicked a key?

So tradeoffs for portable devices, especially ones like the iPad? Yeah, I can see it.

What I don't get is Apple's insistence on applying the tradeoffs necessary for portable keyboards to desktop computer keyboards. While the current keyboards are better than the numb, stiff, and creaky original iMac keyboards, they just don't hold a candle to Apple's best keyboards: the Apple Extended Keyboard and AEK II. I will say that I think they're better than most computer makers' stock keyboards, but that's kind of like saying that a simple fracture is better than a compound fracture. (IMHO)

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 11 March 2014, 18:25:54 »
I have the AEK II, the Apple Wireless is superior in every way IMO.

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And if you create a physical keyboard that's too thin, how will a user know when they've clicked a key?

Maybe you do the ThinTouch trick. Create an illusion!
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 11 March 2014, 18:36:58 »
Yeah, I'm going to have to say no.  The only way in which it is superior is the case color, material, and maybe aesthetic.  The switches are dull and uninspired with too short of a throw, the caps feel crappy since they don't cup and they're easy to get lost on, and so on.  My T500's keyboard is dramatically better.  I'd also take a Sidewinder X4 over it any day.  It's better than your stock HP desktop keyboard, but that's not saying much.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 11 March 2014, 18:51:35 »
Chiclet keyboards are not terrible IMO.  If Apple can make something that feels similar and is thin enough to be integrated into phones and tablets, more power to them.  Almost anything is better than touch keyboards.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 11 March 2014, 20:52:24 »
I was able to find several articles on the ThinTouch. The most recent hands on articles were from over a year ago, and though I found the same press release in a lot of places saying that they would be demoing the ThinTouch at CES 2014, there was not a single hands on review to be found. That struck me as odd.

Here's what Engadget had to say when they tried it last year: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/06/synaptics-thintouch-keyboard-hands-on/

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Even so, it was interesting to type on a full set of keys, and compare that to how it felt playing with those button samples last summer. What we found tonight was that the keys felt exceptionally loose and flappy. We could just chalk that up to the fact that the keyboard is a work in progress, but we do wonder if that diagonal key travel has anything to do with it. That might well explain why the keys felt less like springboards, and more like trap doors.

The few other reports I found said pretty much same thing. The keys were loose, sometimes sticky or didn't register, and obviously still a work in progress. The Verge mentioned that it was supposed to be in production in the second half of 2013, which makes the silence from CES 2014 all the louder.

While shaaniqbal may actually prefer the shorter throws of the Apple Wireless to the AEK II, he's clearly in the minority. Most people prefer the feel of a good full throw keyboard over the chicklet keys, even pretty good chicklet keys. Heck, it seems most people prefer crappy rubber dome keyboards with full throw over reduced throw keys used in notebooks. I think nubbinator hit on the prime reason:

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the caps feel crappy since they don't cup and they're easy to get lost on

It's because the caps are barely cupped (and can't really be cupped on a notebook) that it's easy to get lost on a short throw keyboard. And getting lost means poor typing.

I obviously have the opposite opinion from shaaniqbal. I have the original AEK, and it's one of my favorite keyboards of all time. I also have the wired version of the current Apple keyboard that uses the same key switches as the wireless, and I only use it for emergencies because it's not suitable for real, hours-on-end work. Heck, the MS Natural I just retired had better feel than the short throw Apple keyboard and it's switches were stupid rubber dome membrane switches. (Full throw, well broken in, and a good layout beat decent snap, too short a throw, flat, and unshaped key caps).

If the question is which type of keyboard is better for most people then polling people who have experience with both is probably the best way to answer that question. So far we have 1 vote for short throw (and ultra-short throw) vs. at least 4 for full throw mechanical switches.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 12 March 2014, 02:34:31 »
Yeah, because this enthusiasts' forum is of course representative of most people.

I have the Sidewinder X4 as well and there is just no comparison to the Apple wireless for me.

I've never gotten "lost" on the Apple wireless, so not sure what you mean there. The f and j keys have the usual grooves so I can touch type.

What I've found using the Wired version though is that the keys are much less crisp.

Anyone wanna buy my AEK II off me? £20 but in person collection only in London.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 09:53:06 »
Since you want sources, here you go: http://www.immersion.com/docs/Value-of-Haptics_Jun10-v2.pdf 

That PDF gives a couple scientific studies that found the superiority of mechanical keyboards for non-skilled typists and even skilled ones, though the skilled typists could recover some of their losses. 

I looked at the paper cited above by nubbinator. Titled "The Value of Haptics - A summary of published findings on the value of
haptic feedback in human-computer interaction", the article discusses the value of tactile feedback keyboards vs. non-tactile such as on a touchscreen device. While interesting, it doesn't claim anywhere that mechanical keyboards (in the sense that we use the word "mechanical" on this forum) are superior to scissor switch keyboards such as the Apple Wireless keyboard.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:23:15 »
With apologies to dorkvader (I know you said to drop it)



"superior" is subjective. Most people on this forum prefer mechanicals. You happen not to. That's fine.

But to come in here and claim "all mechanical keyboards are ugly and a rip off" and then get defensive when you get a backlash? Come on, don't be an idiot. You knew exactly the type of reaction you'd get by saying that. It would be similar to going to something like a BMW enthusiast forum and saying "All BMW's are ugly and a rip off". You basically ruined all credibility of wanting an honest debate the moment you made that post.

If you really, really want this thread to be productive, just man up and say you're sorry for it and we can all move on. Present your argument in a way that's not insulting or offensive, and invite positive feedback. Don't hide behind technicalities and BS about who provided what evidence or backed up which claim after pissing people off. Don't make it an emotional discussion and then cry about people being emotional rather than logical.

(Not that any discussion about personal preferences can be anything but emotional)

PS: If you truly, truly weren't aware of this forum's affinity for mechanical keyboards over non-mechanicals, then one must assume that you made this post without taking the time to familiarize yourself with this community before making such a polarizing statement.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:36:14 »
No, I won't apologise for having an opinion that is different to most. Calling me an "idiot" just shows what sort of person you are. That is a form of abuse. Yes, I'm aware that most people on this forum happen to prefer mechanical keyboards.  If you're not interested in the debate then just don't join in. But please, let's not backtrack here. We've been over all this already. :)

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #75 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:39:56 »
Reading emotional remarks on your dislikes on mechanical keyboards is not a debate.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #76 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:46:17 »
What I expressed in a post on the first page was simply my own opinion based on personal preferences. I happen to like very quiet, very compact, very low travel and very aesthetically pleasing (to my own eye) keyboards that are priced reasonably (again in my own eyes). It had nothing to do with the discussion that followed with regards to actual proof, in academic publications, for the superiority of mechanical keyboards compared with scissor switches.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:53:04 »
Come to a Colemak forum and start claiming that Colemak is outdated.

Come to a mechanical keyboard forum and start despising mechanical keyboards.

If there really is correlation between trolling and sadism, maybe it's better you spend time flamebaiting online...

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #78 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:55:37 »
I don't "despise" mechanical keyboards. I actually use one myself (a Coolermaster Quickfire tk) which I use for the NKRO capabilities. 'Course I've modded it with double stacked o-rings to reduce the travel and the noise bit it still doesn't compare to the Apple keyboard for normal typing.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #79 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 12:06:09 »
No, I won't apologise for having an opinion that is different to most. Calling me an "idiot" just shows what sort of person you are. That is a form of abuse. Yes, I'm aware that most people on this forum happen to prefer mechanical keyboards.  If you're not interested in the debate then just don't join in. But please, let's not backtrack here. We've been over all this already. :)


I'm not calling you an idiot. I'm telling you not to act like one. It's an important distinction. All I'm saying is that walking into a community that clearly likes a certain thing and then deriding that thing means you're going to get an emotional response, a negative one. And to not expect that is idiotic.

From my experience your posting style, the words you choose to use, the things you choose to respond to, all are the hallmarks of a person whose only interest is to cause problems. And you seem to have done that. Congratulations.

We've all heard the "I was only expressing my opinion" defense before. Many, many times. But I'm pretty sure nobody buys it here. After all, it's the same defense that racists, bigots, misogynists, and the like use. You're free to express an unpopular opinion, just as those kinds of people are, and the rest of us are free to express what we think of that opinion.

And to be crystal clear: I'm not talking about mechanicals vs scissor switches. I happen to like both, and don't give a flying f**k if somebody else likes one or the other. I have a problem with anybody coming in here and posting just to get a rise, and then acting all innocent and surprised like they weren't expecting the response they got.

At least tp4 has the decency to own up to the fact that he pisses people off sometimes. You want to be a troll around here, take some notes.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #80 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 12:07:35 »
Predicting an attack on my character in 3....2....1...

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #81 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 12:31:49 »
No, I won't apologise for having an opinion that is different to most. Calling me an "idiot" just shows what sort of person you are. That is a form of abuse. Yes, I'm aware that most people on this forum happen to prefer mechanical keyboards.  If you're not interested in the debate then just don't join in. But please, let's not backtrack here. We've been over all this already. :)


I'm not calling you an idiot. I'm telling you not to act like one. It's an important distinction. All I'm saying is that walking into a community that clearly likes a certain thing and then deriding that thing means you're going to get an emotional response, a negative one. And to not expect that is idiotic.

From my experience your posting style, the words you choose to use, the things you choose to respond to, all are the hallmarks of a person whose only interest is to cause problems. And you seem to have done that. Congratulations.

We've all heard the "I was only expressing my opinion" defense before. Many, many times. But I'm pretty sure nobody buys it here. After all, it's the same defense that racists, bigots, misogynists, and the like use. You're free to express an unpopular opinion, just as those kinds of people are, and the rest of us are free to express what we think of that opinion.

So we've established that we're all free to express our opinions. Provided nobody is being personally attacked, I think expression of an opinion whether it attracts criticism or otherwise, should be welcomed. Wonderful! Let's move on then.

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And to be crystal clear: I'm not talking about mechanicals vs scissor switches. I happen to like both, and don't give a flying f**k if somebody else likes one or the other. I have a problem with anybody coming in here and posting just to get a rise, and then acting all innocent and surprised like they weren't expecting the response they got.

Actually, I did expect the sort response I got. It's quite typical of what you find on internet forums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

Anyway, what have you contributed to this topic so far? The (main) topic is "Apple to release their own keyswitch". I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, thank you.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 13:06:22 »
Seriously, like I pointed out long ago, and like others have stated, you're the one instigating issues and being an ass in here.  You don't come into a mechanical keyboard forum and say "mechanical keyboards suck, prove me wrong" and then ignore evidence when it's put forward.

I looked at the paper cited above by nubbinator. Titled "The Value of Haptics - A summary of published findings on the value of
haptic feedback in human-computer interaction", the article discusses the value of tactile feedback keyboards vs. non-tactile such as on a touchscreen device. While interesting, it doesn't claim anywhere that mechanical keyboards (in the sense that we use the word "mechanical" on this forum) are superior to scissor switch keyboards such as the Apple Wireless keyboard.

Then you didn't read it well enough.  It has several citations it uses that are scientific studies of mechanical keyboards vs. non-mechanical keyboards.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #83 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 13:13:25 »
Seriously, like I pointed out long ago, and like others have stated, you're the one instigating issues and being an ass in here.  You don't come into a mechanical keyboard forum and say "mechanical keyboards suck, prove me wrong" and then ignore evidence when it's put forward.

Never said they suck and to prove me wrong. I stated a personal opinion about them based on personal preferences, that has nothing to do with discussion of evidence.

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It has several citations it uses that are scientific studies of mechanical keyboards vs. non-mechanical keyboards.

We're discussing mechanical keyboards vs. scissor switch keyboards and proof of their superiority, not just any non-mechanical keyboard. If there are studies that have been done that show this by all means post them. I'm sure we're all interested. After all, if this evidence was there I would be more than happy to recommend mechanical keyboards to all my friends and relatives. "Hey look, it's been PROVEN that these keyboards are better. Buy one."

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #84 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 13:20:45 »
Actually, I did expect the sort response I got. It's quite typical of what you find on internet forums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink


That's just another way to point the finger at everybody else and say how they're wrong and you're right. Insulting practically an entire forum doesn't surprise me at this point.

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Anyway, what have you contributed to this topic so far? The (main) topic is "Apple to release their own keyswitch".

I'll go ahead and contribute to the original topic when I have something to say on it.

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I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, thank you.

To be perfectly blunt, at this point I'm not so sure I believe you.

I appreciate the effort to move into a more engaging topic of discussion, but it would be helpful to avoid the passive-aggressive insults next time. But, you are right. As I really have nothing to say about the original topic, and I've said my peace, I'll remove myself from the discussion.


To everyone else: Sorry I'm being so hard-ass about this, I'm just tired of placating people who are acting like ****s.


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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #85 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 13:26:21 »
Actually, I did expect the sort response I got. It's quite typical of what you find on internet forums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink


That's just another way to point the finger at everybody else and say how they're wrong and you're right. Insulting practically an entire forum doesn't surprise me at this point.

No, you criticized me for not expecting the response that I got. I corrected you and said that I did expect the response that I got, as it's typical on internet forums. Groupthink is not exclusive to this forum, but most internet discussion forums I've come across particularly where there's a niche interest. Not every single person in this forum is guilty of it of course.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #86 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 13:30:39 »
No, you criticized me for not expecting the response that I got. I corrected you and said that I did expect the response that I got, as it's typical on internet forums. Groupthink is not exclusive to this forum, but most internet discussion forums I've come across particularly where there's a niche interest. Not every single person in this forum is guilty of it of course.

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Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an incorrect or deviant decision-making outcome.


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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 13:50:04 »
And that's exactly what we've seen here. A desire for conformity. An effort to silence or ridicule dissenting viewpoints. There are people within the group who thankfully are not under the influence of Groupthink (some snap out of it, some are immune to it. Ever read the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four? Yes, like in that) and they're the ones worth having a discussion with.

Calling someone a ****? How mature.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 13:55:39 »
Alright ladies let's not get our panties in a twist
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 13:59:45 »
This is fun.

[User is ignored]

Responses.

[User is ignored]

Responses.

[User is ignored]

That's IMHO, the best way to handle a troll.  :thumb:

Now what I'm wondering is what's happening with Apple's switch design. Have they come up with a better low profile switch?

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:01:22 »
They haven't released anything yet as far as I know but I look forward to it when they do.

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Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:08:39 »
You were doing great until post #29.

Sigh.

I forgot that arguing with trolls is like arguing with a brick wall.

Nothing to be done here.
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:28:41 »
Ah I see. So up until the point where I said something that happened to not conform or agree with your viewpoint I was "doing great".

The word "troll" is way, way overused. At least try and be original if you want to start name calling. I'd seriously like to see the word banished from the Internet. Please read this article and stop using it. http://www.marcensign.com/pussification-internet/

Shall we get back on topic now then? Or indeed on any of the side topics. Thank you :)
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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 15:02:42 »
daerid + nubbinator + davkol: you might as well stop digging here.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 15:08:15 »
daerid + nubbinator + davkol: you might as well stop digging here.

Yup.  It's not a discussion, it's like talking to a two year old or an undergraduate philosophy student.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 15:24:50 »
More personal attacks, very mature.

nubbinator, you still haven't produced the evidence that you've mentioned.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 15:38:47 »
Who's talking about matureness...is like teens talking about marriage. Anyways, if the OP wanted attention he is getting plenty.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #97 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 17:21:15 »
… or an undergraduate philosophy student.

ROTFL!  :thumb:

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 18:16:44 »
Seriously, like I pointed out long ago, and like others have stated, you're the one instigating issues and being an ass in here.  You don't come into a mechanical keyboard forum and say "mechanical keyboards suck, prove me wrong" and then ignore evidence when it's put forward.

I don't ignore evidence when it's put forward. It simply has not been put forward as far as I can see. I would be happy to look over the evidence (I want links to academic publications) once it's been put forward. Thanks.

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Re: Apple to release their own keyswitch?
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 18:53:51 »
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