convince me to buy a topre keyboard

[Linkbane]

55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.

What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.

Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?

I have..and I prefer 45g.  55g is snappier but it also requires more force to use.

If we come back to what sells and why 45g is more popular..I'm sure it wasn't because all the manufacturers have thought 55g was the best but decided to make 45g instead.  I know this is hard to understand because a lot of people can't grasp how others may possibly have a different preference to them.   

Some people like 55g..and that's great...and if someone prefers heavier switches I'd definitely point them towards 55g...otherwise I'd probably stick with the popular version first...

I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.

 People like light switches, that's why we have rubber domes

I thought rubber domes were considered 'heavy'?

Are they? Most of the ones I use are pretty mushy and light (on HP laptops at my school, anyways). I guess they are moderate, but at least they aren't heavy like BS.

[mrelectric]

Whatever you do, don't get a hhkb2, it feels like a toy!!

FWIW very few people agree with your assessment.

It just doesn't feel solid like my filco, pressing the keys just isn't satisfying.
^^^ this is all personal opinion of course , definitely try out the board, you may love it.

[Polymer]

I think the HHKB has a very warm feel to it..It is still very solid but something very organic feeling when you bottom out vs. a bit more of of a wall type feel when using RF...It is not like a Plate vs. PCB, the case mounted I think adds something different to the mix..

While I don't have an issue w/ it slipping, I can see why some might..it isn't stuck to the table like a lot of other keyboards might be...

[drinkbleach]

I would suggest a 660c - silent modded

I have tried a realforce (variable) and HHKB and find the 660 great. It is build like a tank and blank pbt caps are very nice. I have yet to try a 55g but feel they might be a little too heavy. (But with how I have been spending, it wont be long until I procure one to make my own personal judgement)

Understanding the switch can help with how they will feel. Knowing there is almost no physical contact to activate the switch and imaging nothing under your figertips is like what it feels like to type on a topre.

Pressing it to actuation is almost like pressing on those large sized bubble wrap (nickel sized) without popping the air-pocket.

Would be great to see what OP decides on and thoughts.

[osi]

If you have to be convinced to buy a topre board then you are not ready for it yet, padawan.

When it is time, you will know and your fingers will ask for it.

[Belfong]

If you have to be convinced to buy a topre board then you are not ready for it yet, padawan.

When it is time, you will know and your fingers will ask for it.

Rather I think that if OP doesn't hang around GH, he will never want a Topre after he got his mechanical. It is only when he hang around more that his heart will wonder, what is this magic called Topre that everyone is talking about. So, we will never know unless he stay on.

[Linkbane]

If you have to be convinced to buy a topre board then you are not ready for it yet, padawan.

When it is time, you will know and your fingers will ask for it.

Rather I think that if OP doesn't hang around GH, he will never want a Topre after he got his mechanical. It is only when he hang around more that his heart will wonder, what is this magic called Topre that everyone is talking about. So, we will never know unless he stay on.

I have a suspicion that the only reason a lot of people end up 'liking' Topre over MX is because so many fanboys on the site say that it is, without acknowledging that the tactility and actuation are completely different and shouldn't be thought of as such; a Topre is capacitative, Cherry mechanical. Just separate the two categories like you would an ALPS or a reed.

[Polymer]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.  Most GHers seem to have pretty strong opinions with enough Topre haters and enough strong preferences to other things to make me think your theory isn't right. 

They're all good in different ways, you just have to find what works for you....There has just been a recent Topre wave recently because they've been a bit more affordable...660c, Type Heaven, etc...

[tuxsavvy]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.  Most GHers seem to have pretty strong opinions with enough Topre haters and enough strong preferences to other things to make me think your theory isn't right. 

They're all good in different ways, you just have to find what works for you....There has just been a recent Topre wave recently because they've been a bit more affordable...660c, Type Heaven, etc...

Quote in bold is what I personally very much agree. The forums and all are a good place of information but also a good place full of opinions of sort. If you are buying Topre just because of the name or some hype behind it and only because of that, you really are missing out the whole logical point behind it which may leave you disappointed when someone comes along with a handful of information that depics Topre as inferior or whatever.

Personally I never bought my Topre based keyboard (HHKB) was purely because it is a Topre switch but rather because it has a Topre switch it made it even more tempting. Ultimately I chose a keyboard with the layout and the style that best fit my needs, virtually everything else falls in place when I start fuelling my interest with knowledge on the specific choice of keyboard.

[mougrim]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.  Most GHers seem to have pretty strong opinions with enough Topre haters and enough strong preferences to other things to make me think your theory isn't right. 

They're all good in different ways, you just have to find what works for you....There has just been a recent Topre wave recently because they've been a bit more affordable...660c, Type Heaven, etc...

Quote in bold is what I personally very much agree. The forums and all are a good place of information but also a good place full of opinions of sort. If you are buying Topre just because of the name or some hype behind it and only because of that, you really are missing out the whole logical point behind it which may leave you disappointed when someone comes along with a handful of information that depics Topre as inferior or whatever.

Personally I never bought my Topre based keyboard (HHKB) was purely because it is a Topre switch but rather because it has a Topre switch it made it even more tempting. Ultimately I chose a keyboard with the layout and the style that best fit my needs, virtually everything else falls in place when I start fuelling my interest with knowledge on the specific choice of keyboard.

Yep. First I had to try some Topre boards - and only then I'll think if I want one. But, as I said, I enjoy tactility and clicky sound of mechanical boards way too much. Maybe I can be tempted to try non-clicky switches, but non-tactile - If I wanted THIS type of keyboards, I'd just stayed on my robust A4Tech one.

[demik]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.

And who here falls under that?

Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?

[mougrim]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.

And who here falls under that?

Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?

Oh, it's easy. Sell to someone piece of garbage for 2000$, and he'll start to call it "modern art"

Same with keyboards. Not everyone can be honest with themselves and admit they bought a keyboard for 300 bucks which feels like total crap to them. So they start to justify their choice, start to "find" something in in. Hell, they can even persuade themselves they love it

[demik]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.

And who here falls under that?

Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?

Oh, it's easy. Sell to someone piece of garbage for 2000$, and he'll start to call it "modern art"

Same with keyboards. Not everyone can be honest with themselves and admit they bought a keyboard for 300 bucks which feels like total crap to them. So they start to justify their choice, start to "find" something in in. Hell, they can even persuade themselves they love it

I'd like to think people on here are smarter than the average bear.

Although there is one user that loves to hop on trends, but he has never used topre from what I know but he talks about it like an expert.

[sth]

Hypebeasts, we know aboutcha
Don't buy keyboards unless they're popular

convince-da-grams, straight flexin

[demik]

161wpm, yo.

I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.

Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?

[Polymer]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.

And who here falls under that?

Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?

Based on the rest of my post after that sentence I said most people on here are not like that.  My response was based on Linkbane's comment that fanboys like it because others say it is great..but based on the number and level of strong opinions on here and the varied number of switches that are people's favorites, I don't think that is the case at all.

Not saying that some people aren't sheep...there are plenty out there...and there might be some people that like X or Y based on what others have said...but most of the regulars on here or short term regulars on here have read a lot, tried a lot..and have spent enough to where they're likely coming to their own opinions about what they like. 

[demik]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.

And who here falls under that?

Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?

Based on the rest of my post after that sentence I said most people on here are not like that.  My response was based on Linkbane's comment that fanboys like it because others say it is great..but based on the number and level of strong opinions on here and the varied number of switches that are people's favorites, I don't think that is the case at all.

Not saying that some people aren't sheep...there are plenty out there...and there might be some people that like X or Y based on what others have said...but most of the regulars on here or short term regulars on here have read a lot, tried a lot..and have spent enough to where they're likely coming to their own opinions about what they like. 

so it sounds like we're on the same page.

sorry if i came off as rude, but this "topre is only liked because it's popular" mentality is annoying.

[Lain1911]

Don't buy a Topre, Don't let people tell you what to do. *Looks at you with a reverse psychology look

[Polymer]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.

And who here falls under that?

Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?

Based on the rest of my post after that sentence I said most people on here are not like that.  My response was based on Linkbane's comment that fanboys like it because others say it is great..but based on the number and level of strong opinions on here and the varied number of switches that are people's favorites, I don't think that is the case at all.

Not saying that some people aren't sheep...there are plenty out there...and there might be some people that like X or Y based on what others have said...but most of the regulars on here or short term regulars on here have read a lot, tried a lot..and have spent enough to where they're likely coming to their own opinions about what they like. 

so it sounds like we're on the same page.

sorry if i came off as rude, but this "topre is only liked because it's popular" mentality is annoying.

Yeap...There was a time when the argument was made (mainly by tp4) that people liked their Topre boards because they had invested so much in them they had no choice but to like them..which is rather ridiculous considering how much people spend on keyboards here..but outside of that, once lower cost alternatives starting coming out, that argument got a severe beatdown. 

I have no doubt that the posts on here and the talking about it influences people to TRY Topre...But are the users on here really so weak as to LIKE it because others do?  I don't think so..not any of the semi regulars or regulars anyways...

[rowdy]

The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.

[demik]

If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.

And who here falls under that?

Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?

Based on the rest of my post after that sentence I said most people on here are not like that.  My response was based on Linkbane's comment that fanboys like it because others say it is great..but based on the number and level of strong opinions on here and the varied number of switches that are people's favorites, I don't think that is the case at all.

Not saying that some people aren't sheep...there are plenty out there...and there might be some people that like X or Y based on what others have said...but most of the regulars on here or short term regulars on here have read a lot, tried a lot..and have spent enough to where they're likely coming to their own opinions about what they like. 

so it sounds like we're on the same page.

sorry if i came off as rude, but this "topre is only liked because it's popular" mentality is annoying.

Yeap...There was a time when the argument was made (mainly by tp4) that people liked their Topre boards because they had invested so much in them they had no choice but to like them..which is rather ridiculous considering how much people spend on keyboards here..but outside of that, once lower cost alternatives starting coming out, that argument got a severe beatdown. 

I have no doubt that the posts on here and the talking about it influences people to TRY Topre...But are the users on here really so weak as to LIKE it because others do?  I don't think so..not any of the semi regulars or regulars anyways...

yeah, i tend to not pay attention to what TP has to say about anything.

[keymaster]

The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.

We're all really here to voice our biased opinions, regardless of what OP actually does 

[mrelectric]

What was this thread about again?

[atlas3686]

The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.

We're all really here to voice our biased opinions, regardless of what OP actually does 

I think OP made the right decision 

[Belfong]

The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.

He did? Well done!! 
Case close, glad to be of help.. and I think we should stickied this post as someone suggested above.

On the other hand, if we stickies and no one ask, we have nothing to talk about. This could be a problem. No wonder threads like this were never stickied and that the search functions are broken. My fingers itch to type more on the supreme HHKB and RF!

[atlas3686]

On the other hand, if we stickies and no one ask, we have nothing to talk about. This could be a problem. No wonder threads like this were never stickied and that the search functions are broken. My fingers itch to type more on the supreme HHKB and RF!

Haha Belfong, I think you might be onto something there

[admiralvorian]

What was this thread about again?

for real i just wanted some opinions on topre from people who'd used tactile mechs.

It's in the mail, I really hope I like it. Not because it's topre and I want to like topre, but because I don't want to go through the trouble of selling it if it doesn't "click" for me (get it?)

[Bucake]

The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.

it's still a good read-through for others who're curious about topres.
i've been itching to get a new keyboard and would like something different from cherry mx switches, so this thread's nice :j

[Dyslexic]

161wpm, yo.

I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.

Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?

Neither do I, because right about everything you do online is try to bait others into getting mad at you, which I'm not. It's just sad that you have so many posts on the forum yet contribute nothing, but I guess trolling online is all you can do to get your ego trip. 

More ****posting from the 16 year old with a victim complex. This is like the third thread in a week where he picks a fight and then acts like people are jumping down his throat. Sometimes people really do just like a product and aren't following trends by enjoying something, but then, being a highschool student his world likely revolves around trends and so assumes everyone else makes purchase decisions based on what their peers think.

[keymaster]

161wpm, yo.

I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.

Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?

Neither do I, because right about everything you do online is try to bait others into getting mad at you, which I'm not. It's just sad that you have so many posts on the forum yet contribute nothing, but I guess trolling online is all you can do to get your ego trip. 

More ****posting from the 16 year old with a victim complex. This is like the third thread in a week where he picks a fight and then acts like people are jumping down his throat. Sometimes people really do just like a product and aren't following trends by enjoying something, but then, being a highschool student his world likely revolves around trends and so assumes everyone else makes purchase decisions based on what their peers think.

What do the 90s babies call this? #REKT #REQTUIEM_4_A_DREAM

[Shikarikato]

Time to see what admiralvorian thinks of it.
 
#keyboardwarrior4lyfe

[Linkbane]

161wpm, yo.

I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.

Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?

Neither do I, because right about everything you do online is try to bait others into getting mad at you, which I'm not. It's just sad that you have so many posts on the forum yet contribute nothing, but I guess trolling online is all you can do to get your ego trip. 

More ****posting from the 16 year old with a victim complex. This is like the third thread in a week where he picks a fight and then acts like people are jumping down his throat. Sometimes people really do just like a product and aren't following trends by enjoying something, but then, being a highschool student his world likely revolves around trends and so assumes everyone else makes purchase decisions based on what their peers think.

Qqqqqqqqqq
I really don't care what you think. That's also not what I said, but I don't really want to waste time talking with someone who jumps into other arguments and tries to seem cool or something idiotic, when you yourself would run home crying if anyone disagreed with you.

[rowdy]

What was this thread about again?

for real i just wanted some opinions on topre from people who'd used tactile mechs.

It's in the mail, I really hope I like it. Not because it's topre and I want to like topre, but because I don't want to go through the trouble of selling it if it doesn't "click" for me (get it?)

HHKB will not click for you - it will thock instead

When it does arrive, give yourself at least 1 to 2 weeks with it, to become accustomed to the layout and the unique Topre feel.

[eth0s]

161wpm, yo.

I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.

Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?

Neither do I, because right about everything you do online is try to bait others into getting mad at you, which I'm not. It's just sad that you have so many posts on the forum yet contribute nothing, but I guess trolling online is all you can do to get your ego trip. 

More ****posting from the 16 year old with a victim complex. This is like the third thread in a week where he picks a fight and then acts like people are jumping down his throat. Sometimes people really do just like a product and aren't following trends by enjoying something, but then, being a highschool student his world likely revolves around trends and so assumes everyone else makes purchase decisions based on what their peers think.

Qqqqqqqqqq
I really don't care what you think. That's also not what I said, but I don't really want to waste time talking with someone who jumps into other arguments and tries to seem cool or something idiotic, when you yourself would run home crying if anyone disagreed with you.

lol.  wtf?

I live in the real world.  I've gotten used to a fair amount of disagreement, mostly from numbskulls, ninnies and nincompoops.  And tbh, it won't make me cry if you don't like my keyboard.

Furthermore, mentioning Topre on GH is a kind of a rorshach test.  One can use this test to examine a GH'er's personality characteristics and emotional functioning.  It detects underlying thought disorders, especially in cases where respondents are reluctant to describe their disturbed thinking processes openly.   

In other words, discussing Topre basically serves as an acid test of a person's character.  Watch out for the Topre Haters, they are not all bad, but many of them are defective mentally or emotionally in some way. 

[daerid]

Whoah whoah whoah...


another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

[rowdy]

Whoah whoah whoah...


another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

That wouldn't happen on Geekhack, would it?

We are all so mature

[mougrim]

It's all so like poo fight in kindergarten...

[admiralvorian]

Whoah whoah whoah...


another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

That wouldn't happen on Geekhack, would it?

We are all so mature

Can I moderate my own thread  )

[rowdy]

Whoah whoah whoah...


another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

That wouldn't happen on Geekhack, would it?

We are all so mature

Can I moderate my own thread  )

No, but you can report posts to a moderator.

[admiralvorian]

omg the HHKB showed up today and so far I love it. It's completely different from the feel of MX switches, and I originally thought that that'd be a bad thing. It's not! Now I just have to get used to the backspace key location. If I can't get used to this layout I will be getting a 660c for sure. Something tells me I will get used to it though.

Anyone got some cool topre caps!?

[demik]

Whoah whoah whoah...


another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

that's what happens when children are allowed on here

[smknjoe]

omg the HHKB showed up today and so far I love it. It's completely different from the feel of MX switches, and I originally thought that that'd be a bad thing. It's not! Now I just have to get used to the backspace key location. If I can't get used to this layout I will be getting a 660c for sure. Something tells me I will get used to it thought.

Anyone got some cool topre caps!?

Glad you like it. It's a rubber dome, but a rubber dome done right. I like my HHKB a lot.

[ideus]

omg the HHKB showed up today and so far I love it. It's completely different from the feel of MX switches, and I originally thought that that'd be a bad thing. It's not! Now I just have to get used to the backspace key location. If I can't get used to this layout I will be getting a 660c for sure. Something tells me I will get used to it thought.

Anyone got some cool topre caps!?

Congratulations on your new rubber dome. 

[SpAmRaY]

Do people think its cute to call a HHKB a rubberdome? It sounds kind of stupid. I mean yes topre switches have rubber domes in them, so, haha I guess, but the connotation they are what most people consider a rubber dome keyboard could not be farther from the truth.

[sth]

Do people think its cute to call a HHKB a rubberdome? It sounds kind of stupid. I mean yes topre switches have rubber domes in them, so, haha I guess, but the connotation they are what most people consider a rubber dome keyboard could not be farther from the truth.

who cares about "most people" and their stupid connotations?
if someone forms a negative opinion of a keyboard just because some sarcastic neckbeard calls it a rubber dome, sucks for them and their stupid lives because they're the only ones missing out.

[Lurch]

Congrats on the purchase, and welcome to Club Topre!

I'm still very curious to what an HHKB feels like. I have only tried Realforce 55g so far.

Now find yourself some novelty caps!

[zippox]

I convinced a coworker to get a Realforce 87u. He let me try it out today and part of me died inside because I know I won't be getting one for quite some time. I thought I would really dislike the actuation weight differences but I thought they did it right. It allowed me to determine that 45g is my favorite on the board. 55g just seemed a bit too stiff.

Time to go back to my blues and browns. Life is tough.

[epzy]

I convinced a coworker to get a Realforce 87u. He let me try it out today and part of me died inside because I know I won't be getting one for quite some time. I thought I would really dislike the actuation weight differences but I thought they did it right. It allowed me to determine that 45g is my favorite on the board. 55g just seemed a bit too stiff.

Time to go back to my blues and browns. Life is tough.

[Beca]

I convinced a coworker to get a Realforce 87u. He let me try it out today and part of me died inside because I know I won't be getting one for quite some time. I thought I would really dislike the actuation weight differences but I thought they did it right. It allowed me to determine that 45g is my favorite on the board. 55g just seemed a bit too stiff.

Time to go back to my blues and browns. Life is tough.

sell your cherry mx keyboards for the realforce? it's basically what I did. I went from 4 keyboards to just my realforce.

[Belfong]

I convinced a coworker to get a Realforce 87u. He let me try it out today and part of me died inside because I know I won't be getting one for quite some time. I thought I would really dislike the actuation weight differences but I thought they did it right. It allowed me to determine that 45g is my favorite on the board. 55g just seemed a bit too stiff.

Time to go back to my blues and browns. Life is tough.

sell your cherry mx keyboards for the realforce? it's basically what I did. I went from 4 keyboards to just my realforce.

Yeah, and watch the classifieds. Just a couple of days ago, Bro Caps sold a RF for $180. I know it is still quite expensive but if you have sold your other mech in exchange for this, it should be affordable then. You will not regret it and you don't really need more than 2 keyboards.

I have since sold the KBT ONI (MX Brow), Razer BlackWidow (Blue) and Noppo Choc Mini (Black) and is using two Topre board as my daily driver. I do have a Poker Blue, Code Clear and Matias Quiet Pro as back up and they are unique because I love all the different switches they represent, although I have not been using them for some time.