How do you feel about 'copycaps'?

[dustinhxc]

How the hell did I get on the banned list? 

How do you know you're banned?

His artisan thread.

[nubbinator]

How the hell did I get on the banned list? 

Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.

Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously .

So are you sad that you're not banned?

It's all water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned at this point.  I made my feelings known, others have had their say, and it is what it is.  I'll just be more selective in who I share things with in the future and what guides I make.

And I'm still making my 100% original designs and plan on unveiling a new one tomorrow with a freebie for whoever comes up with the best name for it.  My last caps were a bit more serious than usual and this new one returns to whimsy.

[riotonthebay]

How the hell did I get on the banned list? 

Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.

Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously .

So are you sad that you're not banned?

I just wanna be a part of the exclusive club

[nubbinator]

How the hell did I get on the banned list? 

Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.

Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously .

So are you sad that you're not banned?

I just wanna be a part of the exclusive club

I can add you to my short list of hidden users if it will make you feel better.

Of course I like you too much to not expand what you say or add you as a friend, but I can still do it if you like.

[dustinhxc]

How the hell did I get on the banned list? 

Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.

Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously .

So are you sad that you're not banned?

It's all water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned at this point.  I made my feelings known, others have had their say, and it is what it is.  I'll just be more selective in who I share things with in the future and what guides I make.

And I'm still making my 100% original designs and plan on unveiling a new one tomorrow with a freebie for whoever comes up with the best name for it.  My last caps were a bit more serious than usual and this new one returns to whimsy.

Sweet, excited to see it! 

[HoffmanMyster]

How the hell did I get on the banned list? 

How do you know you're banned?

His artisan thread.

oh. that's new.   

[riotonthebay]

How the hell did I get on the banned list? 

Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.

Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously .

So are you sad that you're not banned?

I just wanna be a part of the exclusive club

I can add you to my short list of hidden users if it will make you feel better.

Of course I like you too much to not expand what you say or add you as a friend, but I can still do it if you like.

That's sweet of you

But no, I don't want you to have to expand to all my good comments...

[nubbinator]

His artisan thread.

oh. that's new.   

I don't know a Spamaray or Nubbinator.  I do know a SpAmRaY and nubbinator though.


I tend to support new and novel capmakers (hell, hipsterpunks will tell you that as will JiggityJane who seems to have gone AWOL), but I guess I can't for any of his designs I may like at some point.  Oh well, his loss.

That's sweet of you

But no, I don't want you to have to expand to all my good comments...

That's cute, thinking you have good comments.





Kidding man, you're great.

[moptimus]

So everyone has their panties in a twist because someone who made keycaps used the same source material as inspiration/model as someone else?

Mountain over a mole-hill people.

If the issue is that one person has directly copied source material for personal gain, without paying royalties to an original user, than why is johny-come-lately the one copping the flak, surely that should be shared for everyone that has used trademarked items as source material.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if you started producing Mickey Mouse caps to sell, you would hear from Disney if you appeared on their radar, regardless whether it was a clay model base, a print on a cap, or just a mold from a figure.

Nature abhors a vacuum, but so does the market, if their is demand for custom keycaps, there will be supply - this can be seen in the rip-off clacks that surfaced, and it can be seen in everyone that makes caps to sell.

nope this isn't what happened at all m8

Well maybe not for you - you are invested in the situation - as an outsider, that is exactly what it looks like.

The artisan thread - he made a cap that looked like another cap that was itself a copy of something else, and than boom.

[baldgye]

How the hell did I get on the banned list? 

How do you know you're banned?

His artisan thread.

Hahahaha how did I not make the list?? It's more exclusive than clacks dibs list! >.<

[TheSoulhunter]

I don't care about copies as long they don't pretend to be the original (fraud).
Often it helps to save money...

- I bought chinese copies of well known knife designs, similar quality but 1/3 the price
- I bought a chinese Terminator endo-skull statue copy, almost the same quality but 1/4 the price

[SpAmRaY]

His artisan thread.

oh. that's new.   

I don't know a Spamaray or Nubbinator.  I do know a SpAmRaY and nubbinator though.

Whew, guess we are still good then. Don't want to have to cry myself to sleep tonight.

And in all seriousness my biggest issue with any of this is there are just too many people out there who don't give a crap about community or keycaps or anything ALL they see are $$$$ and sheeple who will throw money at them. Open your eyes people.

[Krogenar]

Thank you for your reply. I don't really consider myself an artist, but I have fallen in love with what resin casting can do, and I am going to take a sculpting class next year to learn more about art and have some more time to make caps.

That's great Pac. I wish you both artistic and financial success (however you decide to define them) -- just do me a favor? Stop with these sorts of statements:

Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.

Just... have fun in the keycap casting rabbit hole, and don't try to be (or sound like) an altruist. Make cool **** for the sake of making cool ****, and if you can also make some money in the process, do it, and don't say that "I did it all for you, people!" Be honest. Say, "I did it for me -- to make cool **** and make some money." Because that, Pac, that would be original. Your designs may end up only being awesome in your own eyes, and that's okay too. Just don't conflate buying a pressure pot into tearing down the Berlin Wall, or throwing yourself on top of a financial hand grenade. Say, instead, "I want to make more/better/cooler **** (and money) and so I need a pressure pot."

This teacup tempest (at first) provoked a facepalm, but now I think these kinds of dust-ups are the mark of a creative community. No drama means there's no passion -- nothing is happening. Even with the rustling, GH is a fun place. To wit:

(yet another incredibly brilliant, engaging, perfectly written comment by yours truly)

ooohhh my god i dont care holy COW do i ever not care about whatever you have to say

LOL i actually read it what the hell is going on stop agreeing with me

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of all who had been martyred for the word of God and for being faithful in their testimony.

 

This is totally (sort of) off topic, but I have one of your flocked spacebars and it is awesome.  I've told you this before, but I'm telling you again because it's still true.   

I really didn't want to mention this but since you mentioned it I think now you've forced me to -- my flocked keycaps are still available for sale at techkeys. Check my keycap flocking build log to see all the love that went into making them. And discover the mystery of the keycap bathmat.
Hoff, I'm glad you like the spacebar! Thanks for the mention -- also, keep in mind that when your flocked spacebar starts to gets dirty, it can be gently cleaned with hand soap and some TLC.

Last point and then I'm done: I hope people don't close up their worklogs. That would suck. I think these logs make it easier for others to learn, and some of those people will inevitably become competitors, but they also add perceived value to products. Which is more romantic? Seeing SP or GMK cast dozens of keycaps at once and unceremoniously dumped into a washing solution, or seeing them hand-designed and cast to the sonorous song-stylings of Barry White? So I hope the writeups continue because they're good for business and they push the art form forward.

Sincerely in it for the money,

-K.

[Sissy]

Well this has at the very least been amusing to read

[Binge]

My log will stay up.  Pacifist's personal integrity aside there are plenty of great crafters out there who have done wonderful things with the knowledge.

[Xowie]

His artisan thread.

oh. that's new.   

I don't know a Spamaray or Nubbinator.  I do know a SpAmRaY and nubbinator though.

Whew, guess we are still good then. Don't want to have to cry myself to sleep tonight.

And in all seriousness my biggest issue with any of this is there are just too many people out there who don't give a crap about community or keycaps or anything ALL they see are $$$$ and sheeple who will throw money at them. Open your eyes people.

I do not think that is too much of a surprise, nor necessarily a bad thing (maybe I am not correctly understanding what you mean). It is not that far of a stretch to imagine that someone who spends a lot on keyboards would also be willing to spend a lot on unique keycaps.

My log will stay up.  Pacifist's personal integrity aside there are plenty of great crafters out there who have done wonderful things with the knowledge.

Awesome  I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.

[Binge]

Awesome  I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.

It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out!  There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process.  There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums.  At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.

Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!



I suggest others voluntarily join this club.  We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.

[BunnyLake]

Awesome  I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.

It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out!  There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process.  There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums.  At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.

Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!

(Attachment Link)

I suggest others voluntarily join this club.  We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.

we can call ourselves ATSL

the anti twat super league

[hwood34]

Awesome  I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.

It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out!  There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process.  There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums.  At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.

Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!

(Attachment Link)

I suggest others voluntarily join this club.  We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.

we can call ourselves ATSL

the anti twat super league

Man, I never get invited to the cool clubs

[BunnyLake]

Awesome  I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.

It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out!  There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process.  There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums.  At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.

Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!

(Attachment Link)

I suggest others voluntarily join this club.  We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.

we can call ourselves ATSL

the anti twat super league

Man, I never get invited to the cool clubs

i dont think it takes much to be able to join, i got on the banlist just by asking a question to him

[baldgye]

Awesome  I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.

It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out!  There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process.  There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums.  At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.

Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!

(Attachment Link)

I suggest others voluntarily join this club.  We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.

we can call ourselves ATSL

the anti twat super league

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Best club never ever!

[riotonthebay]

I wish the master of ceremonies would allow my induction into the league

[SpAmRaY]

And in all seriousness my biggest issue with any of this is there are just too many people out there who don't give a crap about community or keycaps or anything ALL they see are $$$$ and sheeple who will throw money at them. Open your eyes people.

I do not think that is too much of a surprise, nor necessarily a bad thing (maybe I am not correctly understanding what you mean). It is not that far of a stretch to imagine that someone who spends a lot on keyboards would also be willing to spend a lot on unique keycaps.

I think people are just too quick to throw money at things and therefore you get people who just start throwing caps out there at $15-20 a pop with no regard for quality or respect for anyone, but that is just my opinion.

Again a lot of this all has to do with the attitude someone approaches this all with both buyer and seller as well as the different way we all perceive things. As you can see there are plenty who are willing to say they don't care about any artists are what someone has to do to make caps or what they have already done, they just want caps now, so take our money. This will in turn lead to plenty of people 'making' caps because they want to line there pockets. In fact I'd say it goes beyond caps to other things related to this hobby but I digress.

Is it free market, supply and demand, maybe but the more I think about it the people who are successful and the people who I respect their cap making, those people just thought they had a cool idea and wanted to try something out, it just so happened that others liked the caps they made and bought them but most of these capcrafters don't just pour out caps by the bag full because they put work and effort into what they do.

Something Krog (that ole' flocker, I like flocked caps to btw), said earlier is so true, we are all passionate about all things keyboard and we all have opinions, and come on it'd be boring if we always agreed with each other.

Also I have thrown my fair share of money at many of the artisans and vendors on here, not all of them but most of them, whether they are cap makers, cable makers etc because I think it is important to support the community.

Awesome  I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.

It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out!  There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process.  There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums.  At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.

Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!

(Attachment Link)

I suggest others voluntarily join this club.  We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.

1st place is best plate, but he could at least spell my username correctly. 

And just so no one is confused it wouldn't matter if I was on the banned list or not I wouldn't be buying.

I wish the master of ceremonies would allow my induction into the league

Just buy a paccap then sell it to someone on the banned list that'll get you banned.

[baldgye]

Just buy a paccap then sell it to someone on the banned list that'll get you banned.

That would be good advice only his caps are horrible and I'd never be able to sell it to anyone QQ

[lightsout714]

Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those

[hwood34]

Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those

Who knows, someone might be able to hook you up

[SpAmRaY]

Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those

Who knows, someone might be able to hook you up

But read the fine print you'll be blacklisted FOREVER if you do that.

[Zeal]

Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those

Who knows, someone might be able to hook you up

But read the fine print you'll be blacklisted FOREVER if you do that.

But isn't that like the easiest way to enter this elusive club? )

[SpAmRaY]

Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those

Who knows, someone might be able to hook you up

But read the fine print you'll be blacklisted FOREVER if you do that.

But isn't that like the easiest way to enter this elusive club? )

Well if that's the intent then sure!

[esoomenona]

So this thread has run it's course now, where we've devolved to poking fun at this stupid list, instead of just pointing out to Pacifist that his list is childish, because if those people didn't want them at all, they wouldn't buy them, regardless of what list they're on. Ray, perhaps you should consider closing it voluntarily. Or a moderator should.

[riotonthebay]

So this thread has run it's course now, where we've devolved to poking fun at this stupid list, instead of just pointing out to Pacifist that his list is childish, because if those people didn't want them at all, they wouldn't buy them, regardless of what list they're on. Ray, perhaps you should consider closing it voluntarily. Or a moderator should.

+1

[SpAmRaY]

So this thread has run it's course now, where we've devolved to poking fun at this stupid list, instead of just pointing out to Pacifist that his list is childish, because if those people didn't want them at all, they wouldn't buy them, regardless of what list they're on. Ray, perhaps you should consider closing it voluntarily. Or a moderator should.

I got this.

Locking thread in 4, 3, 2....1....

[SpAmRaY]

And this threads open again...

[rowdy]

Welcome back!

[litster]

I didn't know this was parody.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37066.0



And this was parody of parody?  Mind blown!

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41915.0

[rowdy]

^ That's respect!

[nubbinator]

I didn't know this was parody.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37066.0

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And this was parody of parody?  Mind blown!

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41915.0

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I forgot how much I need an OG hapster in my life.

[VesperSAINT]

Schweet. I own an awesome parady of a parody! Love this cap.

[IPT]

I didn't know this was parody.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37066.0

Show Image

And this was parody of parody?  Mind blown!

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41915.0

Show Image

i still don't have a yellow lister...

[domoaligato]

inb4 parody inception

[VesperSAINT]

inb4 parody inception

I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it.  Lol.

[SpAmRaY]

inb4 parody inception

I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it.  Lol.

Always post first think later.

[rowdy]

Always post first think later regret never.

FTFY

[lightsout714]

Always post first think later regret never.

FTFY

lol

[VesperSAINT]

inb4 parody inception

I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it.  Lol.

Always post first think later.

Always post first think later regret never.

FTFY

Lol. Truth. Will do so from now on. Post first. Think later. Let the feels sink in later, whatever those feels may be.

[domoaligato]

inb4 parody inception

I have typed it multiple times today and second guessed it. Litsters post was the perfect time.

[HoffmanMyster]

inb4 parody inception

I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it.  Lol.

Always post first think later.

Always post first think later regret never.

FTFY

Lol. Truth. Will do so from now on. Post first. Think later. Let the feels sink in later, whatever those feels may be.

I love you.

[litster]

So, what you guys are saying is not only did pac copy other people caps, he also copied my parody?  Or, everything he does has prior art before him?  Hum...

[VesperSAINT]

inb4 parody inception

I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it.  Lol.

Always post first think later.

Always post first think later regret never.

FTFY

Lol. Truth. Will do so from now on. Post first. Think later. Let the feels sink in later, whatever those feels may be.

I love you.

I love you too.

... Let the feelings set in after typing that first.. . Nothing needs to be changed

[do_Og@n]

What the hell is going on here....I've been "absent" from Geekhack for far to long.

IMO before you even start making a copy of someone else's design you should ask & receive permission. I asked Click Clack once for permission to paint some keycaps with his skull on them. It would have been just for me so no profit would have been made. But, he didn't say yes and he didn't say no.....so I didn't paint them.

If you do get permission it should never be to make a profit on or marked as an original. Just enjoy making them and using them for yourself.

If you are going to make your own artistic interpretation that is similar to someone else's work than at least tell them so it doesn't come as a surprise...that just sucks! Asking for permission is something I would still advise and please don't sell them for a profit. Give them away or use them for yourself. And of course....don't mark them as originals.

That being said I would like to wish everybody who is making keycaps or looking into it...good luck. I myself would like to start casting my own keycaps and designs.

And in reality most of this conversation could have all been handled through PM's. There is no need to call someone out like this even if that wasn't the threads original intention.


Good luck Pacifist! I can't wait to see what your future keycap casting will bring forth.



Now to get myself a red, flocked IBM spacebar!