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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 15:58:43 »

I plan on buying them cheap from thrift stores and reselling them here for a reasonable price. I'm not a money hungry monster, I just want more keyboards  :D

Naturally a keyboard enthusiast.  You already said you're not interested in vintage keyboards, and here you are asking about which ones are valuable.  Get whatever you want and hike the price up, will ya?  Make more money and laugh all the way to the bank.  I hope a dozen SSK's just fall into your lap and you get $2000 each.

I'm tired of this.  People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby.

And you guys wonder why /r/MK is kicking your ass in subscriber count.

Yeah but that's reddit though. It's the club that lets any kinda rabble in, not hard to get subs over there.

What you should be focusing on is how many members migrate from /r/mk to GH after visiting here.


The reason GH has an upperhand on /r/MK is the knowledge base of it's users, even if you have to twist their arms to get any info from them. /r/MK has two main kinds of people: casual keyboard fans who know barely anything, and Ripster. And I'm not sure which one is worse  :p
                           
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 16:01:11 »
/r/MK has two main kinds of people: casual keyboard fans who know barely anything, and Ripster. And I'm not sure which one is worse  :p

Oh, I know for sure. Casual keyboard fans who know barely anything are tolerable. ;)

Ripster - the #1 reason on the planet why people leave r/MK for Geekhack.




The reason GH has an upperhand on /r/MK is the knowledge base of it's users, even if you have to twist their arms to get any info from them.

I just made a sticky post in the 'new members' section that may help without said arm-twisting.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68372.0
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 16:03:16 »
retro keyboards are worthless

most valuable ones are like $20 NIB

#sarcasm
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 16:06:44 »
The reason GH has an upperhand on /r/MK is the knowledge base of it's users, even if you have to twist their arms to get any info from them. /r/MK has two main kinds of people: casual keyboard fans who know barely anything, and Ripster. And I'm not sure which one is worse  :p

Oh, I know for sure. Casual keyboard fans who know barely anything are tolerable. ;)

Ripster - the #1 reason on the planet why people leave r/MK for Geekhack.

To be honest, Ripster is really helpful if you need info but he won't let go of his past with Geek Hack... and Deskthority... and /r/Keyboards... Why'd he get banned anyway? I TAKE IT BACK! I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!  :p
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 16:08:49 »
Why'd he get banned anyway?

cuz he's a douche
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Sometimes it's like he accidentally makes a thread instead of a google search.

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 16:09:09 »
The reason GH has an upperhand on /r/MK is the knowledge base of it's users, even if you have to twist their arms to get any info from them. /r/MK has two main kinds of people: casual keyboard fans who know barely anything, and Ripster. And I'm not sure which one is worse  :p

Oh, I know for sure. Casual keyboard fans who know barely anything are tolerable. ;)

Ripster - the #1 reason on the planet why people leave r/MK for Geekhack.

To be honest, Ripster is really helpful if you need info but he won't let go of his past with Geek Hack... and Deskthority... and /r/Keyboards...  Why'd he get banned anyway?

here we go...

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 16:09:39 »
To be honest, Ripster is really helpful if you need info but he won't let go of his past with Geek Hack... and Deskthority... and /r/Keyboards...  Why'd he get banned anyway?

Well, let's see. Either everyone is the world is just out to get him, and bans him from their forum, or...


cuz he's a douche

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 16:13:50 »
The reason GH has an upperhand on /r/MK is the knowledge base of it's users, even if you have to twist their arms to get any info from them. /r/MK has two main kinds of people: casual keyboard fans who know barely anything, and Ripster. And I'm not sure which one is worse  :p

Oh, I know for sure. Casual keyboard fans who know barely anything are tolerable. ;)

Ripster - the #1 reason on the planet why people leave r/MK for Geekhack.

To be honest, Ripster is really helpful if you need info but he won't let go of his past with Geek Hack... and Deskthority... and /r/Keyboards... Why'd he get banned anyway? I TAKE IT BACK! I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!  :p
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 19:23:55 »
hey now, don't judge us because of what snowdog said.

that's not even as bad as the other **** the rest of us say.

we have scammers! a couple bad words shouldn't drive you away.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:02:53 »
And you guys wonder why /r/MK is kicking your ass in subscriber count.
First note that Snowdog has been here for <2 months.

But more generally, it’s pretty obvious reddit/r/mechanicalkeyboards has a lot of subscribers. Here are a few reasons:
(1) It takes almost no work to sign up to for someone already on reddit, and gets linked from other parts of reddit somewhat frequently; communities have network effects, and reddit has good google-juice for generic searches like “mechanical keyboard”
(2) It has a front page loaded with imgur pictures and bad jokes just like reddit more generally, which makes it very easy to become a community member in a passive occasional way, just clicking links
(3) The voting mechanism gives an easy reward for someone who posts a picture, which is great for newcomers looking for validation about their recent purchases
(4) The content cycles very quickly (like social news sites generally, and unlike forums), so everything in a discussion is ephemeral/temporary, which encourages quick jokes and simple comments; to keep up with the community it’s not necessary to read long complicated discussions or get to know anyone
(5) Ripster has sunk an incredible amount of time and energy into posting tons of stuff there, and basically treats it like a job, posting at least 10–20 new threads every day, plus dozens of comments, day in and day out. He religiously checks geekhack, deskthority, korean forums, keyboard-related companies’ blogs and facebook pages, etc., and posts anything vaguely relevant to reddit.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:23:23 »
Unsolicited ramble on old/yesteryear, not retro, keyboards

Speaking of older keyboards. I've had quite a few IBM Model Ms, including three SSKs. The problem with IBMs is, as many know, replacing the cracked plastic rivets with screws and nuts is tricky: the feel of the KB can vary from key to key because it's difficult if not impossible to secure the plate as new. Of the two SSKs I had that were modified, each had a different feel; and neither one felt like the one unmodified board I owned, ugh! All were IBM rather than Lexmark-made IBM boards. I sold off my SSKs at fair value to GH members.

This aside, if you get into older keyboards, you're likely to get into extra 'stuff' to service the keyboards. And if you reach the point of having had enough, you'll end up with at least one box of older keyboard-related parts that you'll label and consider selling. As for me, I've got a ton of extra original IBM key caps, one set that includes special notations in orange. Speaking of older boards, one guy sold an unused industrial Model M, full size, for $2000 on ebay. As outrageous as the price was, someone actually paid two-grand for it. But when it comes to keyboards, each of us has 'invested' (yeah, invested) some 'long green' on yet another KB and accessories; and going the extra C-note or two, or three, or... is always a possibility. Count me in that number.

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:03:28 »

Why'd he get banned anyway?

cuz he's a douche

I can't/ won't argue that.  Before I took a 1 to 2 year hiatus I remember enjoying his posts and he seemed funny knowledgable/funny but I was a keyboard noob and don't remember that far back well anymore.

Also this thread got really crazy really fast lol.  I'm all for people finding good deals on keyboards and passing on the savings or fair market value and not crazy eBay prices though I wouldn't blame anyone either.  But I've only ever sold 1 keyboard to a friend.  I don't like selling,  I'm a hoarder,. I think coming up with prices sucks.


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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:12:39 »

I don't like selling,  I'm a hoarder. I think coming up with prices sucks.


If you try to find great stuff for cheap, today, you will be disappointed.

Just keep your eyes open and pick up on good deals when they come along. Your patience will be rewarded.

If you can clear $20 each on 5 keyboards then you will have $100 to buy yourself something better.

Coming up with prices is easy. Look on ebay. "Completed listings" will tell you what things are really selling for.

Price yours at or just below the lowest current "Buy-It-Now" for a similar item, or at the high end of recent completed sales (completed sales =/= completed listings).
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:45:10 »
I came to this thread because the title suggested it might contain interesting discussions of retro keyboards.  And I found some of that (though it never got much beyond Model M’s), but more of it seemed to be punishing OP for being a lazy money-grubber who starts unnecessary threads and is hell bent on driving up the prices of old boards. 

This is the kind of thread that convinces me I’ll never make it as a GH insider.  I like keyboards, and GH has helped me to spend more money and own more boards than I can justify on any rational basis.  But this thread isn’t the first where a holier-than-thou attitude suggests this isn’t a  forum but a sect, the Church of the One True Keyboard Faith, and woe unto anyone who violates its unwritten tenets known only to the cognoscenti.

I understand encouraging OP to think of boards as a hobby rather than a viable income-generator – I’m pretty sure I’ll lose money if I ever sell my collection, and I doubt there are many people who’ve made it big flipping keyboards.  But I’d have preferred a kinder, gentler thread supplemented with more stuff on old boards. 
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:51:11 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:00:48 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

I think Hoff has better things to do that talk to JD.


 

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:03:21 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:19:37 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

You hope Hoff talks to me about what?
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:25:05 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

You hope Hoff talks to me about what?

You made a comment that made my blood boil.  I have not been or ever have been on any other keyboard forum.  I joined GH because of the community.  It seems the inner circle has spoken aye?

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:27:44 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

You hope Hoff talks to me about what?

You made a comment that made my blood boil.  I have not been or ever have been on any other keyboard forum.  I joined GH because of the community.  It seems the inner circle has spoken aye?

I think you need to re-read those quotes you just posted.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:30:12 »
I came to this thread because the title suggested it might contain interesting discussions of retro keyboards.  And I found some of that (though it never got much beyond Model M�s), but more of it seemed to be punishing OP for being a lazy money-grubber who starts unnecessary threads and is hell bent on driving up the prices of old boards. 

This is the kind of thread that convinces me I�ll never make it as a GH insider.  I like keyboards, and GH has helped me to spend more money and own more boards than I can justify on any rational basis.  But this thread isn�t the first where a holier-than-thou attitude suggests this isn�t a  forum but a sect, the Church of the One True Keyboard Faith, and woe unto anyone who violates its unwritten tenets known only to the cognoscenti.

I understand encouraging OP to think of boards as a hobby rather than a viable income-generator � I�m pretty sure I�ll lose money if I ever sell my collection, and I doubt there are many people who�ve made it big flipping keyboards.  But I�d have preferred a kinder, gentler thread supplemented with more stuff on old boards. 


If he's opened a thread to discuss vintage boards we probably would have had a rather lengthy discussion about them. But OP opened a thread asking which boards he'd be able to buy and flip for a profit. We don't like that around here as it makes getting into the game harder for everyone else.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:33:04 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

You hope Hoff talks to me about what?

You made a comment that made my blood boil.  I have not been or ever have been on any other keyboard forum.  I joined GH because of the community.  It seems the inner circle has spoken aye?

I think you need to re-read those quotes you just posted.

Who do you think I was talking to?  YOU?

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:34:49 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

You hope Hoff talks to me about what?

You made a comment that made my blood boil.  I have not been or ever have been on any other keyboard forum.  I joined GH because of the community.  It seems the inner circle has spoken aye?

I think you need to re-read those quotes you just posted.

Who do you think I was talking to?  YOU?

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:36:04 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

You hope Hoff talks to me about what?

You made a comment that made my blood boil.  I have not been or ever have been on any other keyboard forum.  I joined GH because of the community.  It seems the inner circle has spoken aye?

I think you need to re-read those quotes you just posted.

Who do you think I was talking to?  YOU?

I was the last person who wrote that you quoted, so yeah, I thought you were talking to me. Guess you meant to quote base_on_base?
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:45:56 »


If he's opened a thread to discuss vintage boards we probably would have had a rather lengthy discussion about them. But OP opened a thread asking which boards he'd be able to buy and flip for a profit. We don't like that around here as it makes getting into the game harder for everyone else.

 Excellent statement, thank you Bueller.

We're not some cult. If you opensecret should make the effort to look at the other threads you will find that we're very generous with help and information and there is a tremendous amount of inter-continental mutual cooperation taking place. You can have people from Poland, Japan, Australia and Brazil coming together to work on a project for nothing just to help others.

But we are also a community where non profiteering is taken very seriously.

Someone who is essentially coming in, asking for help so that he can make money off us, not even showing any genuine interest in this hobby enough to read some threads or do 10 minutes of Ebay research under 'Sold Listings - Clicky Keyboard/ Vintage Keyboard/ Mechanical Keyboard' with the search results organized by price starting highest first - I'll say up front that this person is not welcome and he is strongly encouraged to return to reddit or whatever forum with high membership rolls and low quality interactions.

But then again, redditors don't appreciate quality. So you can't offer the results of your dumpster diving. You can only sell on geekhack...
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:07:20 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

You hope Hoff talks to me about what?

You made a comment that made my blood boil.  I have not been or ever have been on any other keyboard forum.  I joined GH because of the community.  It seems the inner circle has spoken aye?

I think you need to re-read those quotes you just posted.

Who do you think I was talking to?  YOU?

I was the last person who wrote that you quoted, so yeah, I thought you were talking to me. Guess you meant to quote base_on_base?

I believe this is a simple misunderstanding started by a broken quote in the beginning.  JD, you quoted base_on_base, who quoted snowdog, and you told base_on_base to return to reddit - correct?  I think snowdog thought you were speaking to him, and interpreted that as you being rude to him and telling him to go back to reddit, when his only comment was attempting to stop someone from driving prices up.

If that's wrong on any count, feel free to correct me, anyone involved.   :thumb:

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:08:28 »
"People like you give me the urge to vomit.

Edit: Please find another hobby."

Yeah, REAL quality!

Please, feel free to return to reddit if you prefer it over Geekhack. Nothing is keeping you here.

I sure hope Hoff talks to you.

You hope Hoff talks to me about what?

You made a comment that made my blood boil.  I have not been or ever have been on any other keyboard forum.  I joined GH because of the community.  It seems the inner circle has spoken aye?

I think you need to re-read those quotes you just posted.

Who do you think I was talking to?  YOU?

I was the last person who wrote that you quoted, so yeah, I thought you were talking to me. Guess you meant to quote base_on_base?

I believe this is a simple misunderstanding started by a broken quote in the beginning.  JD, you quoted base_on_base, who quoted snowdog, and you told base_on_base to return to reddit - correct?  I think snowdog thought you were speaking to him, and interpreted that as you being rude to him and telling him to go back to reddit, when his only comment was attempting to stop someone from driving prices up.

If that's wrong on any count, feel free to correct me, anyone involved.   :thumb:

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:13:28 »
I dont have a long history here or an established presence but I want to say this place is a keyboard enthusiast community (look at the top). Many here are in the hobby because they have a passion for keyboards not a passion to make money off of those enthusiasts. Granted, like any other hobby there is money that moves around but to express profiteering seems frowned upon. If you were genuinely looking to collect retro keyboards, I am sure many members will help. That was the case for my SSK. I wanted to try an IBM buckling spring switch and hold something collectible that will not lose value if I hold on to it.

As many stated there are plenty of threads you can look up and read on to see what keyboards are worth while. Again, Im still new here and it wasnt hard for me to find info on IBM model ms. It takes a few minutes to look it up and depending on how much you are interested a few minutes/hours to read up on all/select few topics that interests you. Once you find the board that interests you and source it near you, you just have to ask "How much is this keyboard I found?" or "Is it worth for me to pay x amount?" on the Q&A thread (as JDcarpe stated). Then, members here will gladly help you. I cant be thankful enough for that. I was able to add a good board at a good price in my small collection.

Personally, I am not a fan of vintage cherry boards but that too you can easily look up. The search function/Q&A thread is all you need. Just remember some keyboards might be valued cheap but worth more to those who possess it. I for one, will never sell my first SSK even if I was offered a price that I can profit off of. Its part of a collection that took time/love to look for and it cant be priced with a number.
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« Reply #80 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:15:54 »
Right, my 'back to reddit' comment was for base_on_base, not Snowdog993. And base and I had a bit of back and forth after that, so I don't think he was offended by the comment, but rather understood it as I meant it.

I don't have any beef with you, Snowdog, which is why I was confused about your ire toward me. Looks like we got it all cleared up now, though. :)
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« Reply #81 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:19:44 »
I believe this is a simple misunderstanding started by a broken quote in the beginning.  JD, you quoted base_on_base, who quoted snowdog, and you told base_on_base to return to reddit - correct?  I think snowdog thought you were speaking to him, and interpreted that as you being rude to him and telling him to go back to reddit, when his only comment was attempting to stop someone from driving prices up.

If that's wrong on any count, feel free to correct me, anyone involved.   :thumb:

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:27:11 »
Right, my 'back to reddit' comment was for base_on_base, not Snowdog993. And base and I had a bit of back and forth after that, so I don't think he was offended by the comment, but rather understood it as I meant it.

I don't have any beef with you, Snowdog, which is why I was confused about your ire toward me. Looks like we got it all cleared up now, though. :)

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 00:02:36 »
Well, I'm no insider or expert, but I started a similar thread a month or so ago that was pretty similar, (though not focused on value), and got mixed answers, but it may interest you.

Pretty much the only boards that seem to be valuable in the $100+ sort of way are IBMs (SSK, Industrial, Model F, etc), Apple Extended Keyboards (especially the Salmon versions), and the Northgate Omnikey. Those are the only ones I know of and really consider fairly well-known while retaining higher value. Of course, that thread from a month or so ago had some great choices for overall well-regarded vintage boards, which is what I was after. I would naturally equate high vintage value with quality, but have found that's not always the case (Cream Damped ALPS? .

If the goal is to simply flip keyboards, thrift shops would be equally profitable for just about any model. I've never seen more than $10 worth of boards in a single shop, and a decent vintage mechanical should go for $20-$30 in most cases.   

If typing experience is the goal, I say nothing compares to a Model M, (and hopefully I can say the same of an F-122 when I can scrounge one up). Of course, you may prefer ALPS or Cherry, in which case I say go for it.

I do think a list of a "Top Ten Vintage Keyboards" would be nice, especially for newcomers. It would be useful to have a good, general, central reference instead of looking up individual models and switches without really knowing anything about them rather than vague descriptors. Having someone truly knowledgeable compare a few would help immensely. I'm surprised it hasn't been done.

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 00:04:20 »
I do think a list of a "Top Ten Vintage Keyboards" would be nice, especially for newcomers.

Too subjective. Some people's top 10 lists on here would include nothing but IBM boards while personally I can't think of anything worse to type on.
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« Reply #85 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 00:48:13 »
Pretty much the only boards that seem to be valuable in the $100+ sort of way are IBMs (SSK, Industrial, Model F, etc), Apple Extended Keyboards (especially the Salmon versions), and the Northgate Omnikey.
There’s no way you’ll get $100+ for an Apple Extended Keyboard unless it’s in mint condition, with orange Alps switches (orange switches are more desirable than salmon), and even then it’s a slight stretch; they’re just too common. And there are plenty of other keyboards that can fetch high prices.

As you say, Omnikeys get expensive. Other very well constructed Alps boards like old-logo Dell AT101s, SGI AT101s, Wang 724s, and similar can also get spendy in good condition, as can rare Alps boards like Xerox Docutouch keyboards. Most blue and green Alps boards go for steep, especially in good condition, for instance from Zenith, Texas Instruments, Tektronix, or Leading Edge.

Several types of IBM boards get pricey: Model F ATs, F122s, “unsavers”, and the extremely rare 4704 boards; SSKs, industrial Ms, M15s; beam spring keyboards; various Japanese boards.

Rare Old Topre boards (and new Topre boards for that matter) can be pretty expensive. There are more of those in Japan than the US though.

Certain old Cherry boards fetch very high prices, especially ones with dyesub keycaps. The G80-5000 split ergonomic keyboard is particularly sought after.

In general many types of ergonomic keybaords like Maltron, Kinesis Advantage, FingerWorks Touchstream, DataHand, etc. can go for quite a bit.

Many types of hall effect keyboards sell for quite steep, and they don’t seem to show up on ebay as much as they used to.

Many types of rare boards from the 60s–70s can get bid up very high on ebay. Just not too many people around here are interested / pay attention, because they’re usually not easy to convert to use with modern computers. Check HaaTa’s flickr accounts if you want to see some awesome crazy things.

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If the goal is to simply flip keyboards, thrift shops would be equally profitable for just about any model. I've never seen more than $10 worth of boards in a single shop, and a decent vintage mechanical should go for $20-$30 in most cases.
If the goal is to make money, flipping keyboards is unlikely to be especially profitable. It takes way more work than just doing some other job. If the goal is to try a bunch of keyboards, and then sell whatever you don’t like to bankroll the hobby, then thrift stores, flea markets, and e-recyclers are a great source, and I wouldn’t worry too much about finding “rare” boards. Just buy it if you find it interesting, since the price will usually be peanuts, and then resell whatever you decide you don’t want to keep. I wouldn’t expect to make a great profit, but many keyboards can be sold for at least $20 + shipping, so if you get them for $1–10, it’s at least not a money-loser.

Definitely don’t try to make a profit flipping boards bought on ebay or similar: it just takes way too much time for any profit, probably yields at best like half minimum wage.

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If typing experience is the goal, I say nothing compares to a Model M,
It’s all down to personal preference.

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I do think a list of a "Top Ten Vintage Keyboards" would be nice, especially for newcomers. It would be useful to have a good, general, central reference
Top 10 is impossible. But anyway, that central reference exists: http://deskthority.net/wiki/
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #86 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 18:10:35 »
A wiki is nice, don't get me wrong, to have a place where you can go to read about boards you already know about, but I wouldn't call it centralized by any stretch (to research more than one board, you'll have to search each of them out, for example). I was referring to a bridge of sorts, something condensed and imminently readable that would allow someone to know a general comparison of some of the best boards out there, and get someone started.

For example, when you get one old keyboard, say, an AT-101w, a wiki will help you find out more about it, sure. But what if you want to know more about old keyboards in general? ALPS boards alone number in the dozens on the wiki, and you have to look through them one by one to find out if they are any good (what sort of build quality), what you'd need for connection, or to see if they're made in your preferred layout, and so on. If you ask general questions on a knowledgable forum like this, you are scolded and turned toward the wiki for all your needs. It's somewhat discouraging.

For example, imagine when you first got into this hobby (vintage boards in particular), and how much more quickly you could have gotten your own preferences worked out if you had a guide of sorts from someone knowledgeable. "Top Ten" may be the wrong wording, but at least a "Keyboards to look out for" list or "So, you're looking for a vintage keyboard..." the boards listed would represent a well-known, easy-to-find, or otherwise important keyboard to give you a good idea of what's out there. At that point, you can wiki away for more information.

In fact, to take it a step further, if you're into headphones (I know a lot of us are), look how helpful a guide like the ones on headphones.com can be. Not definitive, sure, but a good start. I think it would improve the quality of discussion for those of us just getting started. I understand that it's all subjective, but that's all the more reason to have a good comparative guide out there.

And I mean no offense, or that I haven't gotten excellent feedback here, I have, I just don't understand why everyone seems so reluctant to put something like this together.

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #87 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 18:42:17 »
I was referring to a bridge of sorts, something condensed and imminently readable that would allow someone to know a general comparison of some of the best boards out there, and get someone started. [...] For example, imagine when you first got into this hobby (vintage boards in particular), and how much more quickly you could have gotten your own preferences worked out if you had a guide of sorts from someone knowledgeable. "Top Ten" may be the wrong wording, but at least a "Keyboards to look out for" list or "So, you're looking for a vintage keyboard..." the boards listed would represent a well-known, easy-to-find, or otherwise important keyboard to give you a good idea of what's out there.

Go write it then! Such a resource isn’t going to write itself.

I think it’s a much more problematic subject than you are making it out to be here, but please, prove me wrong.

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In fact, to take it a step further, if you're into headphones (I know a lot of us are), look how helpful a guide like the ones on headphones.com can be.
headphones.com seems to be a thin wrapper page which loads headsets.com in a frame; headsets.com is a headset retailer with no helpful guides that I can see. Maybe you’re talking about a different site?

Most sites with product buying guides on them are for-profit sites which make money from affiliate deals, and can therefore pay for the hundreds of hours of work it takes to write a good guide. (For example, here’s a portable headphones guide from an iOS developer/blogger http://www.marco.org/headphones-closed-portable and here’s an opinionated photographer’s recommended cameras page http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm – notice that every external link in these pages is an affiliate link.)

I highly doubt there’s a good guide to something like “the best headphones made between 1970 and 1990”.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #88 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 19:03:32 »
I was referring to a bridge of sorts, something condensed and imminently readable that would allow someone to know a general comparison of some of the best boards out there, and get someone started. [...] For example, imagine when you first got into this hobby (vintage boards in particular), and how much more quickly you could have gotten your own preferences worked out if you had a guide of sorts from someone knowledgeable. "Top Ten" may be the wrong wording, but at least a "Keyboards to look out for" list or "So, you're looking for a vintage keyboard..." the boards listed would represent a well-known, easy-to-find, or otherwise important keyboard to give you a good idea of what's out there.

Go write it then! Such a resource isn’t going to write itself.

I think it’s a much more problematic subject than you are making it out to be here, but please, prove me wrong.

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In fact, to take it a step further, if you're into headphones (I know a lot of us are), look how helpful a guide like the ones on headphones.com can be.
headphones.com seems to be a thin wrapper page which loads headsets.com in a frame; headsets.com is a headset retailer with no helpful guides that I can see. Maybe you’re talking about a different site?

Most sites with product buying guides on them are for-profit sites which make money from affiliate deals, and can therefore pay for the hundreds of hours of work it takes to write a good guide. I highly doubt there’s a good guide to something like “the best headphones made between 1970 and 1990”.

I'm sorry, I meant http://www.headphone.com/, I always forget the exact name. It is a retailer, but it does have a good guide or two for absolute newbies. I used them when picking out my first pair of nice cans. It's not vintage-oriented, so it's not a perfect analogy, but I hope you get what I mean in general.

I wish I could write such a guide, but you should see by now--by how you put me in my place in writing up valuable boards--that I don't have nearly the knowledge, let alone first-hand experience with enough boards to give but the slightest indication.

I don't mean to sound demanding or entitled here either, sorry if I came across that way, I just think it would be an awesome resource. We could even have a thread for nominations, if you think that'd be something the community would support.

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #89 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 19:21:18 »
Rather than an obsession with "rankings" and trying to ascertain "what is the best choice" in order to go straight to the top, buy that, and be finished, consider this to be a journey of discovery.

There are at least half a dozen major categories of switch types, with a multitude of variations under some of them.

Many popular types, such as Cherry, Alps, Hi-Tek, and many others, have clicky and linear subsets, often with differently-weighted springs and mechanisms.

IBM buckling spring keyboards come in the Model M and Model F, with subtle but significant differences.

Topre keyboards are hybrids in both construction and feel, and opinions vary greatly.

And true vintage mechanisms, from the late-1960s-early-1980s can get really wild.

The easiest way, but not the cheapest, is to buy examples retail or on ebay.
The cheapest way is to rummage through 2nd-hand equipment and hope that 10% of what you find is interesting.

And, after you accumulate some pieces that rise above the level of "junk" you can start trading.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 06:52:58 »
I'd rather see someone on the lookout for vintage keyboards in order to flip them for profit, than see those keyboards tossed into a garbage bin because some thrift shop owner, or recycling center didn't realize what they had. Or would it be better that those keyboards pass into oblivion rather than become overpriced on eBay?
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #91 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 07:54:38 »
I'd rather see someone on the lookout for vintage keyboards in order to flip them for profit, than see those keyboards tossed into a garbage bin because some thrift shop owner, or recycling center didn't realize what they had. Or would it be better that those keyboards pass into oblivion rather than become overpriced on eBay?
The problem is, that these resellers don't necessarily save them from being tossed into the garbage. More likely are they buying them for cheap, before an enthusiast can do it. Or, in the case of ebay, are bidding every single board up to a price I won't be paying.

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 08:43:26 »
I'd rather see someone on the lookout for vintage keyboards in order to flip them for profit, than see those keyboards tossed into a garbage bin because some thrift shop owner, or recycling center didn't realize what they had. Or would it be better that those keyboards pass into oblivion rather than become overpriced on eBay?
The problem is, that these resellers don't necessarily save them from being tossed into the garbage.

If they're rescued from Goodwill, they do.

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« Reply #93 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 08:46:31 »
Personally, I'd rather see all the 4704 77-key boards in the world shredded into oblivion than see an enthusiast pay $2000 for one.
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« Reply #94 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 08:53:09 »
we just need the richest GHer to buy Unicomp, and start making new Model Fs... then it won't be a problem anymore...

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« Reply #95 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:01:05 »
Personally, I'd rather see all the 4704 77-key boards in the world shredded into oblivion than see an enthusiast pay $2000 for one.

If enthusiasts weren't willing to pay $2,000 for one, resellers would be forced to lower their prices.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 10:33:09 »
Personally, I'd rather see all the 4704 77-key boards in the world shredded into oblivion than see an enthusiast pay $2000 for one.

Wow.

So the equilibrium point for destroying a piece of keyboard history is $2000.

Sounds reasonable.

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« Reply #97 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 11:20:23 »
Personally, I'd rather see all the 4704 77-key boards in the world shredded into oblivion than see an enthusiast pay $2000 for one.

Since I'm not about to pay $2K for a 77, their availability at that price is no different to me than their nonexistence.

At least at that price they'll be around, and maybe at some point it'll come down.
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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 11:29:05 »
Personally, I'd rather see all the 4704 77-key boards in the world shredded into oblivion than see an enthusiast pay $2000 for one.

Since I'm not about to pay $2K for a 77, their availability at that price is no different to me than their nonexistence.

At least at that price they'll be around, and maybe at some point it'll come down.

My point exactly -- so what if someone wants $5000 for a Model M with a dillithium crystal inside it? If someone else is willing to pay that price, who am I to scold them or the seller for a transaction that doesn't involve me? I expect jdcarpe will walk back that comment about ''shredding" an entire species of keyboard for the sake of "the community."
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Offline jdcarpe

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Re: Most valuable retro keyboards?
« Reply #99 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 11:34:01 »
I expect jdcarpe will walk back that comment about ''shredding" an entire species of keyboard for the sake of "the community."

Why? I don't walk back anything.

Who are you to scold the buyer or seller? You're a member of a keyboard enthusiast community. Higher standards, bro.
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