G80-3000lscrc-2

[PRISONER 24601]

Congrats on the new keyboard.  Give it a little time.  (nice pic too - especially of the keys).

I was surprised that the backup Blue Cherry Filco I just got feels noticeably stiffer than the old one.  The switches need some time to "break in".  And note: I'm NOT one of those AudioPhools that believe in amplifier break-in so it's not my imagination.

The noise is not going to change.  You either like it or don't (or load some double shot keys on it - BIG difference in sound there).

Funny you mention double shot keys. I already swapped some of them with 2-shots from one of my wyse boards (just to test), and it make a big difference in the feel and sound. Last night, I requested quotes for some high profile 2-shots to do a full swap with.

Where is the best place to get cheap but heavy duty keycaps? I wanna replace them with some nifty blue, green, or silver keys at a slightly different angle.

[PRISONER 24601]

Give it some time. The keys feel stiff because you were coming from brown Cherries. I did notice them to be stiffer after I spent some time on my brown Cherries Filco. Of course, it was the complete opposite when I move to the G80 from my Customizer.

the blue remind me a bit of a Model M, and I'm fairly certain that a customizer or spacesaver will be my next purchase/trade.

[patrickgeekhack]

the blue remind me a bit of a Model M, and I'm fairly certain that a customizer or spacesaver will be my next purchase/trade.

Really? I have the feeling that the Customizer is louder and more still than the blue Cherries.

[PRISONER 24601]

You know, I don't find myself typing even a bit more softly on this keyboard. I've really broken this thing in, to the point where the letter keys are softer and have a significantly different sound to them than the f-keys, and I still hit them harder than a pack mule on boxing day. What?

I don't think I could ever go back to my browns. Maybe with a different keyboard. Sometimes, I'll switch late at night and end up missing the sound and feel of the blues. Always happens. there's no difference in my touch-typing ability from one to the other, but that "bump" feeling is a welcome addition to my life. Seriously. After about a week, I went back to compare them again (the 11800 and the 3000), and the first thing I noticed was the lack of a prominent bump. It's strange cause I type pretty hard and got so used to the tactility that I didn't feel it anymore, it was just in the "back of my mind"... switching back made me notice it right off. It was pretty cool, actually. I was like "oh, damn, where'd my tactical tactile touch turn to?"

it could also be that my brain is linking the sound of the click and the tactile bump together, cause they happen at exactly the same time when you're typing fast. Either way, I like it.

I gotta admit, though, even now I find the sound a little jarring after 3 or 4 hours of typing. It could be a bit lower pitched. I'm curious now as to how much of a difference steel plate mounting makes on the sound/feel of the same switches. I'm thinking about taking one of my Wyse terminal boards, swapping the blacks out for blues, and rigging up a ps/2 or USB setup of some kind. It's probably not within my experience level (I can solder well, but I don't know how to troubleshoot circuit boards). I have a book called '101 ways to use your oscilloscope', but keyboard hacking is not in there. I need a new plan. Maybe I could take the controller out of another keyboard and rig it up to the Wyse easier? I don't know.

Oh, the G80-3000 is a pretty sweet keyboard. I'm gonna buy a couple more in a few weeks, if the deal is still good. I know a couple people that would love one of these under the Xmas tree.

[patrickgeekhack]

You know, I don't find myself typing even a bit more softly on this keyboard. I've really broken this thing in, to the point where the letter keys are softer and have a significantly different sound to them than the f-keys, and I still hit them harder than a pack mule on boxing day. What?

...

it could also be that my brain is linking the sound of the click and the tactile bump together, cause they happen at exactly the same time when you're typing fast. Either way, I like it.

It can take more than a week to start typing lighter. And if you are going back and forth with any keyboard, it can take longer. I know at the beginning I was typing quite hard on the G80 because I was alternating between my G80 and my Customizer. I started to type lighter on the G80 after I used it exclusively (at home) for quite a while. On Topre, it took me like a month before I started to stop bottoming with a lot of force.

That being said, although I have gotten better with the Topre, I'm still faster on my G80. You may be right in saying that the combination of the sound and the tactile bump plays a big role.

[PRISONER 24601]

ripster: thx, i'm already kind of in the market for some new doubleshots. I have access to a sandblaster at my dad's machine shop, so i might just stop by with all my shiny wyse 2shots... unshiny them a bit. I really dig the texture of these lasered keys. I like the scoops, but they're almost unnecessary cause the embossed feel is like braille to me. Also, they're pretty thick... relative to most cheap keyboards that is.

pgh: I can see myself being faster with these switches, but I was already pretty fast with rubber domes. I think the best move for me is going Colemak... After this semester is over maybe... It's a big move. I'm still in the market for a new BS board. If my marketplace ad doesn't snatch me up a good price, I'll probably order one from the clickykeyboards guy. Then, it's time to save up for a Topre. This is my mission.

[ch_123]

I'm curious now as to how much of a difference steel plate mounting makes on the sound/feel of the same switches.

As far as I can tell, the plate doesn't make much of a difference to feel, other than making the keyboard more durable. In terms of sound, if you bottom out on a board with a steel plate, you get a 'ping' sound, and there may be a subtle difference when you don't bottom out, but Im not sure to what extent.

[microsoft windows]

The steel plate prevents the bottom of the keyboard unit from warping and bending to a degree.

[patrickgeekhack]

pgh: I can see myself being faster with these switches, but I was already pretty fast with rubber domes. I think the best move for me is going Colemak... After this semester is over maybe... It's a big move. I'm still in the market for a new BS board. If my marketplace ad doesn't snatch me up a good price, I'll probably order one from the clickykeyboards guy. Then, it's time to save up for a Topre. This is my mission.

Just out of curiosity, why don't you get a Unicomp if you are looking for a buckling spring keyboard ? Personally, if I were to do it again, I would have picked a Spacesaver instead of the Customizer which has a big footprint.

[PRISONER 24601]

I'd like to get a Unicomp very badly. I'd probably get a Customizer because the spacesaver lacks the curved layout- which i've always liked. They're releasing a tenkeyless soon, right? I'll take 10.

I also (sometimes) like the sound of the 'ping', expecially when you've been typing with steady rhythm and it sorta turns into keyboard music. haha maybe i'm crazy. It can be annoying, depends on the tone. I want it mostly for the stability and weight. I could always *make* a thin steel plate for my Cherry. It would reduce the keystroke and might change the overall feel of the 'board. That, or I could make a steel frame for the bottom piece, bolting it to the plastic with a few washers. It wouldn't do much except increase the weight and remove flex, but it would be a hell of a lot easier than having to mill out an entire plate.

[patrickgeekhack]

I'd like to get a Unicomp very badly. I'd probably get a Customizer because the spacesaver lacks the curved layout- which i've always liked. They're releasing a tenkeyless soon, right? I'll take 10.

Honestly, I don't know when they'll come up with a tenkeyless version. I've kind of heard about it, but I don't know if this is going to happen or not. That being said, I just pulled my Customizer out of the closet about an hour ago and my wife was thought it was hailing :-) I'm wondering if I will ever use it for an extended period of time ever again for the simple reason that it is very loud to begin with, but mostly because I find the keys to be way to heavy. This is kind of normal really. I started with rubber dome, then moved to a Customizer which was great compared to the rubber dome keyboards, but then I gradually shifted to lighter and lighter switches and liked the trend. Today, although I appreciated each key in its own right, I think it's safe to say that my three favourite switches are the Cherry MX Blue, Cherry MX Brown and the Topre.

[microsoft windows]

I've been using Model M's for a long time. They're great for typing on.

[patrickgeekhack]

I've been using Model M's for a long time. They're great for typing on.

LOL! I'm not saying that they are not great to type on, but just that in my case. I found buckling spring to be wonderful when I moved from rubber domes to them, but then I discovered lighter switches which I like best. Moreover, noise level is a big factor in my case. This may not be a problem since you are in a basement. I could solve the noise problem if I move my office into the basement, but I prefer to be close to my baby girl than far from her.

[PRISONER 24601]

This may not be a problem since you are in a basement.

haha I love this board more and more every day.

[AndrewZorn]

im still waiting for business hours to call them

[PRISONER 24601]

So what's the scoop.  Prisoner got the last one of these at Gemini or something???

when i ordered it, they said "out of stock. january shipment." i told them, "take your time!" and it came 3 months early. I should have ordered 2 or 3 lol

[PRISONER 24601]

Actually, I ordered on 11/7 and it came just a couple weeks later. Wow, this has been a slow month for me. It seemed like a long time.

[ch_123]

I'd like to get a Unicomp very badly. I'd probably get a Customizer because the spacesaver lacks the curved layout- which i've always liked.

The Spacesaver/Endurapro is curved too.

They're releasing a tenkeyless soon, right? I'll take 10.

Don't hold your breath...

[microsoft windows]

LOL! I'm not saying that they are not great to type on, but just that in my case. I found buckling spring to be wonderful when I moved from rubber domes to them, but then I discovered lighter switches which I like best. Moreover, noise level is a big factor in my case. This may not be a problem since you are in a basement. I could solve the noise problem if I move my office into the basement, but I prefer to be close to my baby girl than far from her.

If noise bothers people and they start getting militant, you can always use the Model M as a club or choke someone with the cable.

[patrickgeekhack]

If noise bothers people and they start getting militant, you can always use the Model M as a club or choke someone with the cable.

You are just not makig any sense. Why would I want to choke my daughter and my wife, when they are my reason to live? My daughter is worth more than every keyoard in the world.

[ch_123]

You are just not makig any sense. Why would I want to choke my daughter and my wife, when they are my reason to live? My daughter is worth more than every keyoard in the world.

PROTIP: You're not meant to actually take him seriously

[patrickgeekhack]

PROTIP: You're not meant to actually take him seriously

I know. (Without any bad intention behind my comment) Who has taken Microsoft Windows very seriously lately? It's just that I never pass on an opportunity to express my love for my wife and daughter :-) They truly are my reason to live.

[PRISONER 24601]

took me a bit to realize that he's a gimmick poster/troll (one of many)... but i like his shtick. It's amusing at times.

Also, I just realised that the Spacesaver was curved like the Customizer. Didn't see that on the pictures at first. Does it have the same amount of curvature?

I still might end up with the customizer (if i'm gonna have a full sized keyboard, might as well go big) but now the ss is an option.

[ch_123]

In some ways, you can picture it as a Model M with the outer border chopped off, as far as I can tell, it has the same curvature. (It's innards can find into an older Model M case and vice-versa)

[PRISONER 24601]

No, that's good. Actually, that kicks ass. I think I'll order one with my next paycheck. I understand they sound a bit different but hey that's cool.

[patrickgeekhack]

All they do with a Unicomp Spacesaver is stick the same assembly in a different plastic shell.  My son prefers it over the IBM for that reason (better mousing room).

Are your wife, your son and you all use your computers in the same room?

[patrickgeekhack]

Nope, my office is downstairs.  They share a computer upstairs.

I don't think I would like someone else typing on a  BS in the same room where I'm trying to concentrate.

[itlnstln]

I was at my GF's sister's house for Thanksgiving with 4 kids under 5 years old.  I wanted to punch something.  She has a two storey house with high ceilings, and the noise was unbearable.  They were ruining my football watching.  That, and it was Texas vs. Texas A&M, damnit.

[patrickgeekhack]

I was at my GF's sister's house for Thanksgiving with 4 kids under 5 years old.  I wanted to punch something.  She has a two storey house with high ceilings, and the noise was unbearable.  They were ruining my football watching.  That, and it was Texas vs. Texas A&M, damnit.

LOL. You'll be different once when you have your own kids.

[patrickgeekhack]

No, that's good. Actually, that kicks ass. I think I'll order one with my next paycheck. I understand they sound a bit different but hey that's cool.

Do you want to stop before it's too late? :-)

[PRISONER 24601]

o.0 I don't think I understand
stop what before what's too late?
stop doing keyboards? not likely.

[patrickgeekhack]

o.0 I don't think I understand
stop what before what's too late?
stop doing keyboards? not likely.

Yes, stop buying keyboard, but I think you're already beyond the point of no return.

[ch_123]

All they do with a Unicomp Spacesaver is stick the same assembly in a different plastic shell.  My son prefers it over the IBM for that reason (better mousing room).

Well, not really, the Spacesaver assembly has no drainage channels =P

(Aside from that one tiny differenence, they are identical)

[PRISONER 24601]

So, I plan on picking up another one of these in beige asap, and using the tips found in imav's fabulous rit dye thread to give it a nice chocolaty brown color

Then I'll take my black one and give it to my brother, he really liked it when he did a test drive... "this is amazing, what is this?" was his first impression.

What color would you use to compliment the dark or cocoa brown rit dye? A tannish color might work hmmm... I saw a link on here for a keyboard layout generator dealie, something I can use to try out different colors before I commit. Can't find it, though

[PRISONER 24601]

Also, yeah... point of no return. The deed has been done. I'm just gonna ride it out.
Live fast, dye keyboards, that's my motto.

[itlnstln]

What color would you use to compliment the dark or cocoa brown rit dye? A tannish color might work hmmm... I saw a link on here for a keyboard layout generator dealie, something I can use to try out different colors before I commit. Can't find it, though

Cream.
 
See Lowpoly's mini keyboard mockups for an idea.  One of them was a chocolate brown case with cream keys.  Yummy.

[microsoft windows]

It also never hurt to have a keyboard be all one color!

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I only have one keyboard that is all one color, and it is an old 1996 Compaq keyboard with rubber dome sliders.

[Hak Foo]

My '3000LSCRC showed up today.  A birthday present promised to be backordered til January 26.

Gemini has no clue what Cherry does.  
It has a very different pitch than a white-ALPS or BS board.  Very light, softer than I expected the click.  I type a bit poorly, as I try to not strike the Customizer 104 slid to the side.  I bottom every stroke still.

The keys do look great, with the white-on-black, but I feel the raised text on the keys.

It has the same fault as the Solidtek-DSI 6600-- it's too low.  I like bigger feet.

Mine was made in Germany, surprising.

[AndrewZorn]

i almost forgot all about how much i wanted one of these

[mp29k]

Does anyone know the US layout code for the exact same keyboard?  *Just like this one, but with no Chinese characters?

[spolia optima]

I (Prisoner 24601... was a temp name) ordered one of these in nov. for a christmas present. It came just a few days after christmas. Not bad. Right after it arrived, I ordered another for myself, and I can't wait for it to come in. With all the money I've been sinking in these cherry boards, I could have bought a few filcos, maybe even a topre! Oh well, I like them a lot. I've got plenty of time to purchase more "boutique" boards in the future.

Right now I'm just looking to using 2 of these 3000's side by side with my desktop and notebook. Stupid, maybe, but at this point I doubt that logic and reasoning have anything in common with keyboard collecting.

[spolia optima]

Still says out of stock.

The machine is lying to you.

I had Gemini go and look + see if they can get the corean 'boards with the red switches and all, turns out they can't. That really painted my wagon, I wanted a red switched cherry so bad! They can, however, get the LSCRC and the LPCEU... They just have to special order the buggers.

Why can't anyone get those Korean 'boards? It's all the same damn company!

[Rajagra]

The machine is lying to you.

But,... but...

[sixty]

The machine is lying to you.

I had Gemini go and look + see if they can get the corean 'boards with the red switches and all, turns out they can't. That really painted my wagon, I wanted a red switched cherry so bad! They can, however, get the LSCRC and the LPCEU... They just have to special order the buggers.

Why can't anyone get those Korean 'boards? It's all the same damn company!

The deal here is that the boards (and probably the switch too) were made exclusively for a Japanese (not Korean) company named Scythe and were marketed under a different name originally. Korea and also Taiwan has imported some of these after the original run.

However, Cherry is not allowed to sell a "preconfigured" keyboard based on a serial number. Meaning if you go there and tell them "I need this keyboard with the product number ......" they will refuse to sell you one. You could in theory get the very same configuration from them, but you would have to request a quote yourself and buy the full minimum order quantity.

[elbowglue]

I had one on preorder, estimated delivery date was april of this year.  Cancelled it, I was tired of waiting

[spolia optima]

Could it be possible that I'm just lucky? Both of my Gemini LSCRC orders arrived promptly within a couple weeks of purchase, despite the fact that they had to be drop-shipped. The last one was a 12/31 order, arrived on 01/15. This one's made in Germany, not CZ.

As for the switch being a custom run,  I'd rather not think about it. Cherry's model numbers already give me vertigo as it is.

[patrickgeekhack]

Has anyone called Gemini to custom order one? I did when they were out of stock and it arrived within less than a month. I may have to order another for my brother depending if I can get someone to go abroad.

[spolia optima]

Still out of stock.

I think this was a classic example of the Chinese dumping excess inventory.  Now that they are pissed at us seeing the Dalai Lama I think this deal is dead.

I don't know
I've successfully ordered three of them, despite being "out of stock" the whole time.

But wait, these $60 "'chinese' excess inventory" boards... they're made in germany right?

the $120 filcos that you recommend to everyone... where are they produced again? switzerland? oh yeah, they're handcrafted by artisans in monaco how silly of me.

:yo:

edit: this post came off as kinda sardonic, which was not my intention. Diatec and Cherry = apples and oranges.
Also, there's nothing wrong with products made in taiwan.
similarly, on the flip, there's nothing intrinsically good about products made in germany (despite the claims of vince from shamwow).

[patrickgeekhack]

Still out of stock.

I think this was a classic example of the Chinese dumping excess inventory.  Now that they are pissed at us seeing the Dalai Lama I think this deal is dead.

Just got off the phone with Geminicomputers.com. It seems that they will have this product in stock in about 10-15 days. Those who want one can order one now or wait until the units are in stock. The part number is still a good one according to person I had over the phone.