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[IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad (GB open)
« on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:09:09 »
Orange TKL was our first design. It's not perfect but I've been asked many times for a round 2. However we always prefer to do something new, even not totally new, instead of Round2s.

Here're some renders for a 75% version of Orange and a numpad in the same design principle.

Edit: hiding several renders that it seems no one likes.

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There are two types of top case on Orange75 I'm considering.

  • The type 1 top case has a replaceable nameplate module on the top right.
  • The type 2 top case has a separated top row. The keys on the top row are separated in clusters.

The designs are still in very initial stage. Any suggestions are welcome especially for the nameplate module and logos.

edit: add renders for numpads



edit: add one render with indicators on the top right:

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:15:21 »
I like!  Would there be anyway to get the F row to reach all the way to the last row beneath?  Either with a logo like you mentioned or an extra key and slide the F row over to the left to make it fit
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:19:01 »
Looks great. Really like the colour selection. For the weight in the pad you could maybe do half a slice of orange. Might look pretty nice.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:22:57 »
I like!  Would there be anyway to get the F row to reach all the way to the last row beneath?  Either with a logo like you mentioned or an extra key and slide the F row over to the left to make it fit

Agreed on an extra top right key in the Type 2, unless you're using that space as part of the visual massing?

Also your graphic looks similar to my friend's furniture company's logo http://www.mor-he.com/vesica-chair-harta/ though his of course is probably not the first example.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:28:53 »
Prefer 2nd type. Would you consider doing this without a weight?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 13:05:16 »
like the second ones a bit more

but the colors are great
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 13:19:47 »
Sexy numpad.  Them bezels...  :eek:

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 13:46:28 »
I'm glad we finally get to see a 75% with spacing and staggered f-row. It is definitely a big welcome and much needed change to the typical 75%.
Will you also be addressing the problem with the bottom piece's interior not deep enough and might cause shorting?

Here is a picture(not mine) of focus fk-1001 with staggered f-row. Hope this will give you some more inspirations.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 13:50:39 »
Type 2 case is dope! Really like and appreciate F-row spacers and cursor keys.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 15:43:21 »
I like!  Would there be anyway to get the F row to reach all the way to the last row beneath?  Either with a logo like you mentioned or an extra key and slide the F row over to the left to make it fit


Agreed on an extra top right key in the Type 2, unless you're using that space as part of the visual massing?


I've considered that as well but I can't imagine what keycap should be put there behind F12. Maybe a novelty?

Another option is to place a small round namplate there. Also, leaving it empty is not that bad to me tbh.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 15:46:43 »
Looks great. Really like the colour selection. For the weight in the pad you could maybe do half a slice of orange. Might look pretty nice.

half a slice of orange sounds like a good idea.

like the second ones a bit more

but the colors are great

It seems type 2 is more popular. Those colors actually are just for rendering but I'll try to find some new colors irl.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 15:49:06 »
Prefer 2nd type. Would you consider doing this without a weight?

Well, I do have considered that. but without the weight it won't be called "Orange" right?

In the render the weight is still the same style with Orange TKL. It will be changed to a better way in the final design.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 15:50:27 »
I like!  Would there be anyway to get the F row to reach all the way to the last row beneath?  Either with a logo like you mentioned or an extra key and slide the F row over to the left to make it fit


Agreed on an extra top right key in the Type 2, unless you're using that space as part of the visual massing?


I've considered that as well but I can't imagine what keycap should be put there behind F12. Maybe a novelty?

Another option is to place a small round namplate there. Also, leaving it empty is not that bad to me tbh.

I have one and I use it for power/sleep. Also novelty show-off is not a bad use. Can also be used to switch layers.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 15:51:25 »
Will you also be addressing the problem with the bottom piece's interior not deep enough and might cause shorting?


Of course and not just that. Many details will be improved in Orange75 compared with Orange TKL.

And thanks for the photos. Very helpful!
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 15:57:14 »

I have one and I use it for power/sleep. Also novelty show-off is not a bad use. Can also be used to switch layers.

I don't worry about the functionality about the one key behind F12. I actually worry more about the keysets' compatibility. For example if I put GMK 9009 on this board, which cap should I put there? Will it look nice? I'm sure there will be many good looking combinations with novelties or artisans but I hope the board won't narrow down the keyset choices.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 15:59:32 »
The last three colors are super nice. Do you have a price in mind you're aiming for? Closer to the orange TKL or the time TKL?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 16:14:54 »
call the pad the clementine

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 17:26:27 »
Would like an angle on this.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 18:34:33 »
The last three colors are super nice. Do you have a price in mind you're aiming for? Closer to the orange TKL or the time TKL?

Haven't asked for a quote yet but should be similar to Orange TKL I guess.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 18:35:35 »
call the pad the clementine

or mandarin
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 18:49:33 »
call the pad the clementine

or mandarin
Idk clementine sounds cuter
Tangerine works too but sounds worse to me

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 23:48:11 »
Glad to see your next project and it's another Orange!
I am in this too definitely, even though what I want more is Orange 80%.

Between the options I love type2 - separated F rows.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 00:07:04 »
The top w/o the nameplate looks a bit off with the empty space in the upper left corner. Maybe add indicator lights, orange logo or maybe just a key? Also would love to see usb-c pcb. Really liking the design otherwise.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 00:11:13 »
I want the type 2. I'm very interested in this. Thank you.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 01:11:20 »
love the keypad
I would definitely join the group buy.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 03:57:54 »
Will definitely get a pad to match my pizza80, it's good to see you back Senter!


A numpad without the logo would be appreciated
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 05:08:19 »
Type 2 looks wonderful!


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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 07:47:10 »
Glad to see your next project and it's another Orange!
I am in this too definitely, even though what I want more is Orange 80%.

Between the options I love type2 - separated F rows.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 07:48:28 »
The top w/o the nameplate looks a bit off with the empty space in the upper left corner. Maybe add indicator lights, orange logo or maybe just a key? Also would love to see usb-c pcb. Really liking the design otherwise.

I'm working on some renders with some of the features you mentioned. Will update here
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 07:51:40 »
Will definitely get a pad to match my pizza80, it's good to see you back Senter!


A numpad without the logo would be appreciated

Thanks Simon. It was CNY and I was in a car accident. now I'm back  :D

I'm not satisfied with the current numpad design. Without a logo, do you think 4 top macro keys look good? 
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 08:29:43 »
I love the colored version without logo on numpad or led on the 75.

I like the empty space on the f row too.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 10:13:13 »
Another vote for the 2nd type with separated f row keys.

This looks awesome! I got an Orange 80 and it's my primary keyboard, love it. Already setting funds aside for this. I know it's still really early, but do you have any idea if pricing will be around (or less) than the Orange 80?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 11:36:23 »
I'm liking it, could we see a profile view of the case??

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 11:38:39 »
comment mostly for myself to watch thread - still regret missing orange tkl


https://i.imgur.com/X4i5YaV.jpg




have you tried a symmetrical top, (add another key on top right, make gaps equal) i like the missing key but makes me think "910"

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 12:18:05 »
Type II looks pretty interesting to me. Should be fun to see where this goes.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 15:33:07 »
Another vote for the 2nd type with separated f row keys.

This looks awesome! I got an Orange 80 and it's my primary keyboard, love it. Already setting funds aside for this. I know it's still really early, but do you have any idea if pricing will be around (or less) than the Orange 80?

I'll try my best to make it less, maybe not much, than Orange TKL. And old customers get additional gift/discount.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 15:42:31 »
I'm liking it, could we see a profile view of the case??

Check out the photos of Orange TKL shared by previous buyers. The profile will be similar.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 15:55:39 »

have you tried a symmetrical top, (add another key on top right, make gaps equal) i like the missing key but makes me think "910"

Symmetrical top is the first idea I dismissed.

The top row keys in type 1 design are aligned to the second row so that your fingers know the key above 5 is F5.

The top row keys in type 2 design are the same with normal 87/104 keyboards, such that you will be familiar withe the key positions.

About adding one key on top right:


I don't worry about the functionality about the one key behind F12. I actually worry more about the keysets' compatibility. For example if I put GMK 9009 on this board, which cap should I put there? Will it look nice? I'm sure there will be many good looking combinations with novelties or artisans but I hope the board won't narrow down the keyset choices.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 18:58:31 »
the sky blue is beautiful. Look forward to this.

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 06:15:26 »
solved
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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 09:34:14 »
Very cool, looking forward to more news on it!

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 12:11:54 »
Amazing Board

This board will be priced well judging by how the Orange TKL was priced :D
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 12:45:15 »


One more render with indicators on the top right corner.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 12:56:14 »
This kit is adorable.  The chunky but highly rounded bezels are interesting, and the overall look is retro-inspired.  Makes me think of 50s-60s furniture and tech.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 13:00:31 »
Really like this assuming a price tag around 250ish and ability to get it san's numbpad... and I would sign up. I loved the TKL Time board but the price just did me in! Going from the high 300's to 500+ was just to big a leap... Hopefully a 75% stay's more affordable.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 18:02:26 »
I prefer the first one with the badge logo on the top right. However, I hope both are offered. :)

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 20:49:54 »
Really like this assuming a price tag around 250ish and ability to get it san's numbpad... and I would sign up. I loved the TKL Time board but the price just did me in! Going from the high 300's to 500+ was just to big a leap... Hopefully a 75% stay's more affordable.

Same here. Personally, I would rather have one with a nameplate in order to add another layer of customization.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 22:06:49 »
Show Image


One more render with indicators on the top right corner.
I like this design. It's simple.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 10 March 2018, 05:09:41 »
I'm Second Image In.

So Please Orange 80% Added..

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« Reply #49 on: Sat, 10 March 2018, 05:59:45 »
Wow, gorgeous design! Imagine the blue case with SA Godspeed.. Keep up the good work, definitely keeping my eye on this one! :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 10 March 2018, 09:26:02 »
I think they're all great designs.
I've definitely got a place in my colllection for the Type 2 with indicators in green.

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« Reply #51 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 09:58:45 »
Totally dig the design but, for some reason I love a separator between the last row and the enter row. When they are conjoined like this I have a tendency to miss the backspace/enter and hit page up and down. Overall like the direction here though, kudos!

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« Reply #52 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 10:05:20 »
when open to buy?
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 12:49:47 »
Very nice design!

Hope the numpad logo is a bit smaller or subtle.

Looking forward to seeing final colors and pricing.

Are you based in DC?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 12:51:31 »
https://i.imgur.com/Q8hOZ6G.jpg

the indicators look perfect here

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:21:59 »
I'm more of a 66% guy myself, but that numpad looks tempting.

The numpad looks a bit unbalanced with all that empty space on the top. What about having a full row of 4 keys, instead of the single key at the top? Would be useful for macro keys etc.

The all brass numpad sounds very interesting!
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:22:02 »
did we ever get any info on if they be a bundle buy only or if they could be gotten independently? Also I wouldn't mind seeing some other color options. Those colors are nice but been hankering for a more deep saturated colors .... thought that white with orange/brass plate would be very very tempting or maybe reversed orange with white plate...

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 15:21:51 »
Totally dig the design but, for some reason I love a separator between the last row and the enter row. When they are conjoined like this I have a tendency to miss the backspace/enter and hit page up and down. Overall like the direction here though, kudos!

Basically the current layout is 65% (e.g. whitefox, canoe) + function keys. All 65% keyboards have the same problem you mentioned.

I've considered this issue and made some layouts like this: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/c0fe330a176b29b97756d065f040d828

My final decision is just to keep the layout as is since 65% layout is more compact and well accepted in the community. You can get along with it after you use it for a while.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 15:24:00 »
when open to buy?
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If the prototypes look good to me, hopefully, this month.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 15:27:03 »
Very nice design!

Hope the numpad logo is a bit smaller or subtle.

Looking forward to seeing final colors and pricing.

Are you based in DC?

Thanks!

northern VA actually
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 15:31:13 »
I'm more of a 66% guy myself, but that numpad looks tempting.

The numpad looks a bit unbalanced with all that empty space on the top. What about having a full row of 4 keys, instead of the single key at the top? Would be useful for macro keys etc.

The all brass numpad sounds very interesting!

That's a good idea. We may provide two versions of numpad. One with nameplate and another w/o. We haven't decided yet since most people are more interested in Orange75
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 15:36:54 »
did we ever get any info on if they be a bundle buy only or if they could be gotten independently? Also I wouldn't mind seeing some other color options. Those colors are nice but been hankering for a more deep saturated colors .... thought that white with orange/brass plate would be very very tempting or maybe reversed orange with white plate...

can be gotten independently for certain. There will be a lot of options with low/no MOQ.

I'll update photos for real color samples after the prototypes are finished.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 16:42:19 »
I told myself I was only going to get 3 more boards this year. I may have to change that rule. I really like the look of these.


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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:11:35 »
Very nice design!

Hope the numpad logo is a bit smaller or subtle.

Looking forward to seeing final colors and pricing.

Are you based in DC?

Thanks!

northern VA actually

Same here! Were you at the last DC meetup? You should come to the next one.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:32:12 »
I think both the indicator light on top right corner, or two extra key after F12 are good choice. Really looking forward to this for my first 75%

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 12 March 2018, 02:06:59 »
Will there be any way to angle this board?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 12 March 2018, 04:54:20 »
Will there be any way to angle this board?

When I want to angle my orang80, I use 6 degree riser wedges (Bolzen 85a). It's basically a soft rubber wedge that fits under the back of the board.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 12 March 2018, 15:08:38 »
Made an account just to post on this thread. I love it. I love there's a matching numpad so you can buy the whole set and it'll look good. Also last gb was on 290 which is pretty awesome to say the least.

But i have a few questions :

Will this round come with the suitcase as well? First round was AWESOME and it's literally half the reason i wanna join in. The other half is the matching numpad.

Also, can we get an acrylic diffuser? It's top and bottom so with the right rgb when soldering,i think we could do it right?

And last thing, you said on the previous GB post that it didnt have numbers : ''We didn't print numbers on the nameplate of founder editions. They were printed Orange in place. We didn't make it right because the technician was tired with the tons of options of small order. ''

Does that mean on this GB, could get a small plate on the bottom of the keyboard to state the number of the keyboard e.g. 23/50? And add the orange on the numpad. I think that would be PRETTY good but again,might add up to the whole cost. I'll probably join unless the price is to huge in comparison to the previous GB. Damn,this looks so exciting. Especially when letting the community decide.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 12 March 2018, 21:35:45 »
Made an account just to post on this thread. I love it. I love there's a matching numpad so you can buy the whole set and it'll look good. Also last gb was on 290 which is pretty awesome to say the least.

But i have a few questions :

Will this round come with the suitcase as well? First round was AWESOME and it's literally half the reason i wanna join in. The other half is the matching numpad.

Also, can we get an acrylic diffuser? It's top and bottom so with the right rgb when soldering,i think we could do it right?

And last thing, you said on the previous GB post that it didnt have numbers : ''We didn't print numbers on the nameplate of founder editions. They were printed Orange in place. We didn't make it right because the technician was tired with the tons of options of small order. ''

Does that mean on this GB, could get a small plate on the bottom of the keyboard to state the number of the keyboard e.g. 23/50? And add the orange on the numpad. I think that would be PRETTY good but again,might add up to the whole cost. I'll probably join unless the price is to huge in comparison to the previous GB. Damn,this looks so exciting. Especially when letting the community decide.

  • Q: "Will this round come with the suitcase as well?" A: haven't decided yet. Adding a suitcase will increase the price and the shipping. I hope to keep the price as low as possible.
  • Q: "can we get an acrylic diffuser?" A: no, and I'm not sure if you can add RGB LED strips on the bottom. I know QMK PCBs are easy to add but this is not QMK
  • No numbers. They are meaningless and troublesome to engrave.
  • Price: Orange 75 should be at the same or lower price as Orange TKL. Adding a numpad will bring the price much higher tho. I guess not too many people want the numpad but I'd like to provide it to those who need it. Again I hate R2, so don't miss any keyboards from me when they are available!
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 00:43:01 »
I was talking about a side rgb,but still, it's all good. If the suitcase brought the 80% up to 290,im imagining without it,it'd be one of the cheapest GBs ever made (on a high end keyboard) so sounds awesome.

Good luck with the gb tho, i'll keep an eye for when it finally starts. :D

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 01:08:56 »
I know QMK PCBs are easy to add but this is not QMK
What firmware will you be using?
Will the keyboard be programmable?
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 01:28:00 »
I know QMK PCBs are easy to add but this is not QMK
What firmware will you be using?
Will the keyboard be programmable?

Orange80 adopted Bootmapper.
Orange75 and pad might be as well.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 06:42:52 »
If they can be tastefully daisychained I'm very interested.
If I need to run two separate USB cables (or a hub or whatever) I'm very not interested.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 07:41:39 »
I was talking about a side rgb

I know what you mean. Side RGBs are always on the bottom of the PCB, I mean.

My point is 32A PCB is not easy to add RGB as 32u4 PCBs. 

I know QMK PCBs are easy to add but this is not QMK
What firmware will you be using?
Will the keyboard be programmable?

Orange80 adopted Bootmapper.
Orange75 and pad might be as well.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 07:54:01 »
Can we atleast make a vote for QMK or bootmapper PCB? I really want the PCB to be powered by QMK

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 08:19:07 »
Can we atleast make a vote for QMK or bootmapper PCB? I really want the PCB to be powered by QMK
+1 for qmk

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 12:00:45 »
Can we atleast make a vote for QMK or bootmapper PCB? I really want the PCB to be powered by QMK

why not both?

For 40% keyboards I'll only use QMK. For keyboards larger than 60% I think the difference is not huge.

I'd like to provide both anyway.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 12:13:37 »
Can we atleast make a vote for QMK or bootmapper PCB? I really want the PCB to be powered by QMK

why not both?

For 40% keyboards I'll only use QMK. For keyboards larger than 60% I think the difference is not huge.

I'd like to provide both anyway.
Best reason for me personally about QMK over bootmapper is RGB control and click vs press and hold programming of keys. Otherwise no difference for me. If no underglow, not really a huge reason for qmk especially if it cuts cost.

Just my 0.02.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 12:25:23 »

Best reason for me personally about QMK over bootmapper is RGB control and click vs press and hold programming of keys. Otherwise no difference for me. If no underglow, not really a huge reason for qmk especially if it cuts cost.

Just my 0.02.

Yes, that's what I thought. I won't use a keyboard if it can't output ~ or ` within two keystrokes/presses. Orange75 already has a lot of keys and doesn't have RGB LEDs. Dual-role keys and tap dance are more important on small keyboards (40% or 50%).

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 13 March 2018, 12:57:02 »
I am not sure if this helps are not but as far as 75% keyboard's go. I personally only add in a delete key and call it finished. I don't see where they need a lot of layers and off the wall programming to be useful. The same goes for my 60% board it has one layer setup with F-Row, Arrows, ` and delete. That is it I don't see why on larger keyboard's you need a overly complicated process to program with. The one thing I do like about QMK is the easy of programming using the website. Otherwise its not a big deal... and never played with bootloader but perhaps its just as simple?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 14 March 2018, 03:42:35 »
Can we atleast make a vote for QMK or bootmapper PCB? I really want the PCB to be powered by QMK

why not both?

For 40% keyboards I'll only use QMK. For keyboards larger than 60% I think the difference is not huge.

I'd like to provide both anyway.

Support for both QMK and Bootmapper would be great.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 14 March 2018, 03:45:23 »
I guess not too many people want the numpad but I'd like to provide it to those who need it.

I'm interested in just the numpad, so I hope it will be possible to buy only that. If the all-brass version is not too expensive I will definitely be going for that.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:19:31 »
looks great,  would be interested in a top without the blocker though

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« Reply #83 on: Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:53:24 »
Hi Senter - I was one of the buyers of the first Orange 80 TKL, and am really happy you are working on 75% kit also!

I have read your comments on design decisions to keep F-row separated and staggered and that you don't want it to be symmetrical. However, one of the main reasons I like 75% and 80% layouts is because I use nav keys and DELETE a lot on daily basis. The Delete key on the top right corner is one of the main reasons I prefer 75% as my main layout, and with that space being left empty for indicators/badge/empty space it is a deal-breaker for me, and I will have to pass. This makes me sad because I would love to have another Orange, and the first GB you did went so smoothly and quickly with relatively few issues. If there is any way for you to consider a design for top plate that will allow for top right corner key, I am 99% in.

I know that you had too many design options for the original Orange 80 GB, with small blocker, large blocker, and no blockers with many anodization and name plate options, and that caused some trouble and you want to keep things simpler. Is there any way you would consider multiple options for top plate/case with one for a Delete key, and one with indicators/blank space? It could be same PCB design but only require different top case design option. EDIT: If you shifted the F-row blocks to the left by .25/.5u, I would suggest maybe doing a matching metal blocker/badge that could fit in the space for the delete key if not used, and if user wanted delete key they would leave off the blocker/badge. (ex: https://imgur.com/a/W3001)

I would also suggest keeping the design from Orange 80 and give option to have name/engraved accent badge on top left corner. I think this gives a really nice option to completely personalize and gives consistency to the Orange design "family". Maybe also consider the same on numpad.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 15 March 2018, 19:18:20 »
Hi Senter - I was one of the buyers of the first Orange 80 TKL, and am really happy you are working on 75% kit also!

I have read your comments on design decisions to keep F-row separated and staggered and that you don't want it to be symmetrical. However, one of the main reasons I like 75% and 80% layouts is because I use nav keys and DELETE a lot on daily basis. The Delete key on the top right corner is one of the main reasons I prefer 75% as my main layout, and with that space being left empty for indicators/badge/empty space it is a deal-breaker for me, and I will have to pass. This makes me sad because I would love to have another Orange, and the first GB you did went so smoothly and quickly with relatively few issues. If there is any way for you to consider a design for top plate that will allow for top right corner key, I am 99% in.

I know that you had too many design options for the original Orange 80 GB, with small blocker, large blocker, and no blockers with many anodization and name plate options, and that caused some trouble and you want to keep things simpler. Is there any way you would consider multiple options for top plate/case with one for a Delete key, and one with indicators/blank space? It could be same PCB design but only require different top case design option. EDIT: If you shifted the F-row blocks to the left by .25/.5u, I would suggest maybe doing a matching metal blocker/badge that could fit in the space for the delete key if not used, and if user wanted delete key they would leave off the blocker/badge. (ex: https://imgur.com/a/W3001)

I would also suggest keeping the design from Orange 80 and give option to have name/engraved accent badge on top left corner. I think this gives a really nice option to completely personalize and gives consistency to the Orange design "family". Maybe also consider the same on numpad.

Hi Zuology, thanks for your suggestions. I remember everyone's id in Orange TKL group buy. I really appreciate your support for Orange TKL and now the opinions on Orange75.

You have read my comments so you know I have my reasons to keep the layout as is. There are several 75% keyboard projects out there and most of them have that key on top right corner. To be honest, I'm not doing it differently in purpose. I've considered many layouts and the current two layouts are the ones I love most. The original plan was to provide both of them. As very few people showed interests in layout 1, the current plan is to only provide type 2. The more I look at type 2, I love it more. I will provide type 2 for sure.

As I mentioned, there are several other 75% keyboards are in the IC stage (SKBXX, SINGA, and Xeno) and they all have a top right key. I'm mostly interested in exploring more options and increasing the diversity, so I'm not interested in making a same layout as theirs. I suggest you to support their projects if you want a 75% keyboard and you need that key.

I'm planing to use orange75 as my new daily driver. For me, F12 is in the perfect position since I always bind my terminal window to F12. I won't set the right 4 keys as home, end, pgup, and pgdn. I may set the top right key to Delete and the below three keys as 'display all windows', 'change to left workspace', and 'change to the right workspace'. You can also have a Delete key if you do it in a similar manner.

I will consider your suggestion on the badge.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 15 March 2018, 20:01:26 »
Hi Senter - I was one of the buyers of the first Orange 80 TKL, and am really happy you are working on 75% kit also!

I have read your comments on design decisions to keep F-row separated and staggered and that you don't want it to be symmetrical. However, one of the main reasons I like 75% and 80% layouts is because I use nav keys and DELETE a lot on daily basis. The Delete key on the top right corner is one of the main reasons I prefer 75% as my main layout, and with that space being left empty for indicators/badge/empty space it is a deal-breaker for me, and I will have to pass. This makes me sad because I would love to have another Orange, and the first GB you did went so smoothly and quickly with relatively few issues. If there is any way for you to consider a design for top plate that will allow for top right corner key, I am 99% in.

I know that you had too many design options for the original Orange 80 GB, with small blocker, large blocker, and no blockers with many anodization and name plate options, and that caused some trouble and you want to keep things simpler. Is there any way you would consider multiple options for top plate/case with one for a Delete key, and one with indicators/blank space? It could be same PCB design but only require different top case design option. EDIT: If you shifted the F-row blocks to the left by .25/.5u, I would suggest maybe doing a matching metal blocker/badge that could fit in the space for the delete key if not used, and if user wanted delete key they would leave off the blocker/badge. (ex: https://imgur.com/a/W3001)

I would also suggest keeping the design from Orange 80 and give option to have name/engraved accent badge on top left corner. I think this gives a really nice option to completely personalize and gives consistency to the Orange design "family". Maybe also consider the same on numpad.

Hi Zuology, thanks for your suggestions. I remember everyone's id in Orange TKL group buy. I really appreciate your support for Orange TKL and now the opinions on Orange75.

You have read my comments so you know I have my reasons to keep the layout as is. There are several 75% keyboard projects out there and most of them have that key on top right corner. To be honest, I'm not doing it differently in purpose. I've considered many layouts and the current two layouts are the ones I love most. The original plan was to provide both of them. As very few people showed interests in layout 1, the current plan is to only provide type 2. The more I look at type 2, I love it more. I will provide type 2 for sure.

As I mentioned, there are several other 75% keyboards are in the IC stage (SKBXX, SINGA, and Xeno) and they all have a top right key. I'm mostly interested in exploring more options and increasing the diversity, so I'm not interested in making a same layout as theirs. I suggest you to support their projects if you want a 75% keyboard and you need that key.

I'm planing to use orange75 as my new daily driver. For me, F12 is in the perfect position since I always bind my terminal window to F12. I won't set the right 4 keys as home, end, pgup, and pgdn. I may set the top right key to Delete and the below three keys as 'display all windows', 'change to left workspace', and 'change to the right workspace'. You can also have a Delete key if you do it in a similar manner.

I will consider your suggestion on the badge.
Personally I like it that there is no extra key on the far top right and there is more bezel :).

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 15 March 2018, 20:34:16 »
Fox I had a suggestion for the layout and design on Design 2. I noticed that it would have a single cap locks LED from what you linked. I would like to see a Cap, Scrolls, lock LED at least. I would suggest perhaps stacking the LED's Vertically on the Brazil next to the F-Key's or perhaps placing them on the blocker down by the function row key's at the bottom. I think they could look very stylish at the bottom but not sure if this would add cost. Its just a suggestion

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 15 March 2018, 23:06:41 »
 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:pretty nice

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #88 on: Fri, 16 March 2018, 08:32:32 »
Great looking keyboard and keypad combo.

What cable are you planing to use to connect the keyboard and keypad? TRRS or something else?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #89 on: Fri, 16 March 2018, 13:05:05 »
Fox I had a suggestion for the layout and design on Design 2. I noticed that it would have a single cap locks LED from what you linked. I would like to see a Cap, Scrolls, lock LED at least. I would suggest perhaps stacking the LED's Vertically on the Brazil next to the F-Key's or perhaps placing them on the blocker down by the function row key's at the bottom. I think they could look very stylish at the bottom but not sure if this would add cost. Its just a suggestion

Yea.....

So when I use a keyboard I don’t know about anyone else, but I rest my fingers on the home row so my palms would cover the 2 bottom rows. I won’t be able to tell about the LED indicators if they’re on the bottom. So no

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #90 on: Fri, 16 March 2018, 17:44:54 »
Fan of the original orange and it looks great as a 75. For what it's worth I like the designs with the plate around the led indicators, they stand out.
Also have you considered the matt finish for the other colours? Would look great if doable...

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 16 March 2018, 18:41:54 »
Fox I had a suggestion for the layout and design on Design 2. I noticed that it would have a single cap locks LED from what you linked. I would like to see a Cap, Scrolls, lock LED at least. I would suggest perhaps stacking the LED's Vertically on the Brazil next to the F-Key's or perhaps placing them on the blocker down by the function row key's at the bottom. I think they could look very stylish at the bottom but not sure if this would add cost. Its just a suggestion

stacking 3 LEDs vertically is exactly my current plan.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 16 March 2018, 18:43:11 »
Great looking keyboard and keypad combo.

What cable are you planing to use to connect the keyboard and keypad? TRRS or something else?

- Tony

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 16 March 2018, 18:44:26 »
Fan of the original orange and it looks great as a 75. For what it's worth I like the designs with the plate around the led indicators, they stand out.
Also have you considered the matt finish for the other colours? Would look great if doable...

what do you mean by matt finish? MAO or powder coating?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 16 March 2018, 22:01:50 »
nice

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #95 on: Sat, 17 March 2018, 02:02:47 »
Fan of the original orange and it looks great as a 75. For what it's worth I like the designs with the plate around the led indicators, they stand out.
Also have you considered the matt finish for the other colours? Would look great if doable...

what do you mean by matt finish? MAO or powder coating?

MAO like the white finish on the original is what I was thinking. No idea if colours are actually available with that technique though!

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #96 on: Sat, 17 March 2018, 10:38:27 »

MAO like the white finish on the original is what I was thinking. No idea if colours are actually available with that technique though!

We can do MAO only in white.

We're also trying to look for new factories for anodizing or other methods. For now a really good one we found is a factory that can provide high quality brass surface treatments. The brass case can be made super shiny.

Haven't considered other matte finishes yet. I may ask around later.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #97 on: Sat, 17 March 2018, 10:40:21 »
Hard ano with alu 7075 would be cool

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 18 March 2018, 12:04:43 »
+1 for Pink TKL & Numpad. both or neither.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 18 March 2018, 13:01:52 »
  • baby blue
  • light green
  • light pink
  • snow white
  • coffee
  • rose gold
  • orange
  • bright brass

These are the colors we're considering.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #100 on: Sun, 18 March 2018, 14:56:57 »
  • Pink
  • baby blue
  • light green
  • light pink
  • snow white
  • coffee
  • rose gold
  • orange
  • bright brass

These are the colors we're considering.

would rose gold, light pink, pink be a bit similar? Also you might want to add some more mainstream colors in like black and silver.. given I want a custom color my self but I just know some people prefer black and silver.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #101 on: Sun, 18 March 2018, 15:37:59 »

would rose gold, light pink, pink be a bit similar? Also you might want to add some more mainstream colors in like black and silver.. given I want a custom color my self but I just know some people prefer black and silver.

The first pink was a typo. There will be only one light pink. We'll compare the color samples between light pink and rose gold.

Mainstream colors are a lot. There is always a trade-off between new colors and mainstream colors. Otherwise we need to deal with too many colors for limited orders. It's really a hard decision for me on deciding the colors. As for silver and black, I prefer to choose black. The black Orange TKL looks nice imo.
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« Reply #102 on: Sun, 18 March 2018, 15:39:41 »
  • baby blue
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  • orange
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These are the colors we're considering.
No red?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #103 on: Sun, 18 March 2018, 15:46:26 »

would rose gold, light pink, pink be a bit similar? Also you might want to add some more mainstream colors in like black and silver.. given I want a custom color my self but I just know some people prefer black and silver.

The first pink was a typo. There will be only one light pink. We'll compare the color samples between light pink and rose gold.

Mainstream colors are a lot. There is always a trade-off between new colors and mainstream colors. Otherwise we need to deal with too many colors for limited orders. It's really a hard decision for me on deciding the colors. As for silver and black, I prefer to choose black. The black Orange TKL looks nice imo.


just my 2 cents and it won't be known until you get the samples but.. might drop light pink or the rose gold cause I got a feeling there going to be very close in color.. samples will tell. Dang I wonder what a Orange would look like in Orange with black weight!!!

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« Reply #104 on: Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:47:28 »
I want in on this.  I doesn't look like anything that I currently own.  Design is different and color choice as well.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #105 on: Mon, 19 March 2018, 06:21:45 »
I’d love to see a purple or lavender option.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 22 March 2018, 06:16:11 »
When is the start of GB?
I can't wait.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #107 on: Thu, 22 March 2018, 09:34:31 »
When is the start of GB?
I can't wait.

Prototypes will be anodized in two days.

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« Reply #108 on: Thu, 22 March 2018, 11:41:05 »
Any hope for purple?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #109 on: Fri, 23 March 2018, 03:13:33 »
When is the start of GB?
I can't wait.

Prototypes will be anodized in two days.

will take photos and start GB after that.

Hey can you give us a idea of price then? Sounds like we are with in a week of release.. at this point. I know personally on the fence between this and the TKL CTRL from Massdrop. I gotta say if this is affordable I prefer it over the CTRL but if its going to be like 350-500 for the 75% keyboard Only ((Not interested in the keypad)) then I stick with the CTRL. I just can't make that big of a investment/leap at this time. I could most likely do 250ish.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 23 March 2018, 08:53:36 »
When is the start of GB?
I can't wait.

Prototypes will be anodized in two days.

will take photos and start GB after that.

Hey can you give us a idea of price then? Sounds like we are with in a week of release.. at this point. I know personally on the fence between this and the TKL CTRL from Massdrop. I gotta say if this is affordable I prefer it over the CTRL but if its going to be like 350-500 for the 75% keyboard Only ((Not interested in the keypad)) then I stick with the CTRL. I just can't make that big of a investment/leap at this time. I could most likely do 250ish.
I think it's posted in this thread somewhere but the TKL orange was like $280 base.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #111 on: Fri, 23 March 2018, 10:31:05 »
i think senter was aiming to be just below the og orange tkl pricing, which if so im all in

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 23 March 2018, 13:21:35 »
all aluminum version of Orange75 will be $270 with a vendor's backing. It's just 10 bucks less than Orange TKL but there's already a cost from the vendor included in the price.

shipping is not included in the price. International shipping will be charge separately in case some people don't read or don't do the math.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #113 on: Fri, 23 March 2018, 16:03:05 »
all aluminum version of Orange75 will be $270 with a vendor's backing. It's just 10 bucks less than Orange TKL but there's already a cost from the vendor included in the price.

shipping is not included in the price. International shipping will be charge separately in case some people don't read or don't do the math.

Thanks Senter.. so going to say 350ish out the door! which is doable I have a influx of money coming in sometime next month I can use! I cancel the CTRL and get this instead. I prefer another 75 over the TKL

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #114 on: Mon, 26 March 2018, 11:27:41 »
senter, Have you finished the anodizing of the sample?
I'm really looking forward to the picture. ;D

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 28 March 2018, 08:52:43 »
My wallet is ready

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #116 on: Thu, 29 March 2018, 07:16:52 »




GB will start soon
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #117 on: Thu, 29 March 2018, 09:12:32 »

I'M READYYYYYY! :p :p :p

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #118 on: Thu, 29 March 2018, 09:34:02 »
Show Image


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GB will start soon

Do you think this color will go well with SA Abyss?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #119 on: Thu, 29 March 2018, 10:13:34 »
Senter will it stil be flat without holes for third-party cone feet/risers?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #120 on: Thu, 29 March 2018, 10:20:54 »
fk. just when i thought i was done buying things for this hobby.

Looks awesome Senter, nice to see something that is not EXTREME BEZELS BRO, yet still a variation from the norm

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #121 on: Thu, 29 March 2018, 13:26:04 »

Do you think this color will go well with SA Abyss?

I don't think so for this color. Perhaps black is better for Abyss.

Black was one of my favorite colors for Orange TKL.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #122 on: Thu, 29 March 2018, 13:29:44 »
Senter will it stil be flat without holes for third-party cone feet/risers?

Yes, it is a flat case without support for feet. It looks weird with feet.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #123 on: Thu, 29 March 2018, 13:58:20 »
Spacebar stabilizer look like plate mount only? PCB mount stabs compatible?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #124 on: Sat, 31 March 2018, 07:01:34 »
Spacebar stabilizer look like plate mount only? PCB mount stabs compatible?

We're using the "Cherry+costar stabilizer" cutouts on swillkb. The cutouts support cherry pcb mount, cherry plate mount, and costar mount. Cherry plate mount won't fit very well.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #125 on: Sat, 31 March 2018, 11:00:45 »
Costar support?  Hallelujah!

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #126 on: Sat, 31 March 2018, 21:26:26 »
Spacebar stabilizer look like plate mount only? PCB mount stabs compatible?

We're using the "Cherry+costar stabilizer" cutouts on swillkb. The cutouts support cherry pcb mount, cherry plate mount, and costar mount. Cherry plate mount won't fit very well.
Ah, so that is why it looks weird. Nice compatibility!

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #127 on: Mon, 02 April 2018, 10:12:13 »
I really like the way it looks. I would be very interested on the main board, but not so much on the numpad.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #128 on: Mon, 02 April 2018, 11:04:48 »
I second removing the "FOX" branding on the Numpad, it's a quite edgy font that clashes with the cute aesthetic of the rest of the Numpad.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #129 on: Mon, 02 April 2018, 11:43:43 »
Any purple option available?
I generally hate all keycaps. Keycaps are for poofs. Real men touchtype on stems. Non-functional artisans are awesome, I use them for the ESC key ... escape is for cowards anyways, real men go frontal assault.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #130 on: Tue, 03 April 2018, 01:24:57 »
I second removing the "FOX" branding on the Numpad, it's a quite edgy font that clashes with the cute aesthetic of the rest of the Numpad.
Yes!

I'd want a full row of keys on the top of the numpad instead of just a single key, but realize that this would affect the design a lot.

Something like this
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #131 on: Tue, 03 April 2018, 01:49:37 »
I second removing the "FOX" branding on the Numpad, it's a quite edgy font that clashes with the cute aesthetic of the rest of the Numpad.
Yes!

I'd want a full row of keys on the top of the numpad instead of just a single key, but realize that this would affect the design a lot.

Something like this
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I vote for this one too looks nice

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #132 on: Tue, 03 April 2018, 03:04:43 »
Looks great, will they be sold seperately? When are you coming out with a 60~% design

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 08:30:39 »
Looks great, will they be sold seperately? When are you coming out with a 60~% design

Sure. No combo bull**** here.

60%/65% is not in our plan yet. There are a lot of good options out there including M60A, Zephyr, M0110, E6V2.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 08:32:33 »


showing off the finish of the new brass case.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 08:42:38 »
My god, that finish is gorgeous. Is that a render or an actual sample?
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #136 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 08:48:28 »
wow that's shiny! Looks more like a showpiece (and fingerprint magnet) than a usable keyboard.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #137 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 08:50:37 »
so much bling... how heavy are the full brass versions?
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #138 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:03:16 »
My god, that finish is gorgeous. Is that a render or an actual sample?

It's actual sample. will post more photos later
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #139 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:05:33 »
wow that's shiny! Looks more like a showpiece (and fingerprint magnet) than a usable keyboard.

Yes, it's more like an experimental product currently but it will be on sale to those who like it.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #140 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:07:07 »
so much bling... how heavy are the full brass versions?

The numpad is 1.6kg/3.5lbs. We didn't make prototypes for the 75 version.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #141 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:26:00 »
so much bling... how heavy are the full brass versions?

The numpad is 1.6kg/3.5lbs. We didn't make prototypes for the 75 version.

hahaha I'd be tempted to get a 3.5 lb numpad just for the lulz
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:43:18 »
Senter will you release the picture for supported layout anytime soon?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #143 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 10:04:17 »
That numpad looks crazy good. Got any ideas of what it will cost?

I might have to get one brass for show/display, and a regular alu one for actual use.
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« Reply #144 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 12:43:05 »
I NEED THAT RIGHT NOW :eek: :eek:

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #145 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 13:04:38 »
Senter will you release the picture for supported layout anytime soon?



Here are the supported plate layout and PCB layout. The prototypes still need some revisions.

The default plate won't support all the layouts the PCB can provide (e.g. 7u spacebar).

The plate file will be open-sourced to those who want 7u spacebar.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #146 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 13:12:18 »
That numpad looks crazy good. Got any ideas of what it will cost?

I might have to get one brass for show/display, and a regular alu one for actual use.

We're still discussing with our vendor about the pricing.

Brass version is about twice more expensive than all alu version. However, shipping cost needs to be considered as well.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #147 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 13:13:16 »
Lookin' really good!   How heavy will the Orange75 be? 

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« Reply #148 on: Wed, 04 April 2018, 14:53:29 »
God damn that's gorgeous. But 1,6kg...wow...

So,decided on the gb start-finish period yet or...?

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« Reply #149 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 12:52:40 »
That all brass numpad is one of the most awesome things i've ever seen.  good work my friend!

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« Reply #150 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 12:58:52 »
Looks like it is already launched in the Chinese store at zfrontier, any idea when this will launch on the English version of zfrontier or other places are you launching with?

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« Reply #151 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 13:50:17 »
Looks like it is already launched in the Chinese store at zfrontier, any idea when this will launch on the English version of zfrontier or other places are you launching with?


I just saw it.
but purchase time just a one day? :eek:
I think something is wrong.
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« Reply #152 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 13:59:52 »
Oh damn...it says limited to 59 pieces on their preview post as well.. https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/5954

Did they change their minds about making it international?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #153 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 17:01:31 »
guys calm down!! nothing to worry about I don't think. if not mistaken Orange TKL and Timeless both launched with limited runs in the Chinese market before going live world wide. If I am not mistaken they where limited to like 50/25 last time. This makes since if I am right that they have a limited run then do the full group buy.

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« Reply #154 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 17:44:34 »
guys calm down!! nothing to worry about I don't think. if not mistaken Orange TKL and Timeless both launched with limited runs in the Chinese market before going live world wide. If I am not mistaken they where limited to like 50/25 last time. This makes since if I am right that they have a limited run then do the full group buy.

You are right. GB will be launched on zFrontier's international site in two days or so. I hope so :)
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #155 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:12:53 »
guys calm down!! nothing to worry about I don't think. if not mistaken Orange TKL and Timeless both launched with limited runs in the Chinese market before going live world wide. If I am not mistaken they where limited to like 50/25 last time. This makes since if I am right that they have a limited run then do the full group buy.

You are right. GB will be launched on zFrontier's international site in two days or so. I hope so :)


hmm, by reading the descriptions I assume those early buyers on the chinese site get a free numpad?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #156 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:14:35 »
guys calm down!! nothing to worry about I don't think. if not mistaken Orange TKL and Timeless both launched with limited runs in the Chinese market before going live world wide. If I am not mistaken they where limited to like 50/25 last time. This makes since if I am right that they have a limited run then do the full group buy.

You are right. GB will be launched on zFrontier's international site in two days or so. I hope so :)

yeah, hope so!

Does anyone know if any of the PCBs used will be hot swappable?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #157 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:22:41 »
Will definitely get a pad to match my pizza80, it's good to see you back Senter!


A numpad without the logo would be appreciated

Thanks Simon. It was CNY and I was in a car accident. now I'm back  :D

I'm not satisfied with the current numpad design. Without a logo, do you think 4 top macro keys look good?

Sir, will the pcb support hot-swapping switches? Thank you very much.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #158 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 21:42:37 »
no the keyboard won't be hot swap but requiring soldering skills.

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« Reply #159 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 22:10:53 »
no the keyboard won't be hot swap but requiring soldering skills.

Would it be possible to install those hot swapping sockets on the pcb?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #160 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 02:40:17 »
it would depend. The type of hot swap socket used on a K-Type etc.. wouldn't work. There are some cheaper less secure versions that might work just depends on the pin holes on the PCB. it really be hard to say. I would just assume they wouldn't because most people I heard that use those types of sockets solder then in once installed for added security. Which kinda defeats the entire purpose of a shotswap socket in my opinion.

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #161 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 14:40:52 »
any photos of the PCB?

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #162 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 16:51:23 »
any photos of the PCB?

There are some photos of the Orange TKL PCB in this review: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Key_Mou_Pad/M.1513424671.A.913.html

Don't know how relevant it is for the 75's PCB though

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« Reply #163 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 17:11:30 »
I'm vary interested

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #164 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 21:34:25 »
any photos of the PCB?

Thanks! just feel that disordering is a lot of work. Would love to have a hot-swappable option....

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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #165 on: Sun, 08 April 2018, 08:53:32 »
Lookin' really good!   How heavy will the Orange75 be?

IDK. We didn't make brass Orange 75 prototype. The estimated weight is 4kg but don't count me on this. The density of brass alloy is about 3 times as 6063 aluminum.
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #166 on: Sun, 08 April 2018, 08:54:39 »
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Re: [IC] Orange75 & Orange Pad
« Reply #167 on: Sun, 08 April 2018, 09:41:41 »
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