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[IC] GMK Grey on Black
« on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:29:48 »
Working title since I'm not sure where I want to go thematically with this colorway yet.

This is GMK Grey on Black, meant to be an alternative for those that were part of a recently doomed keyset


I've got permission from CU to work with the exact colorway, but I'm not interested in pursuing the same theme.

This is the mockup I've got going so far


I'm also looking into a sub60s kit

Not much at the moment since I need feedback on what's needed

This is a very early stage IC as I'm really looking to work with people's feedback to get this where it needs to be to succeed, so please let me know what you want to see and I'll do my best to work with it. One of the benefits of a "monotone" set like this is not only does it reduce the need for some alt colored keys, but it's actually cheaper from GMK the less colors there are in the base kit, so more compatibility can be added and still keep the price reasonable. If people want some more color options I'll be looking to keep them in a child kit since that would still keep the base kit price down.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:33:28 »
Iím in.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:41:25 »
R1 1u backspace and R2 1.5u delete missing.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:43:08 »
I'm in. Presume CR/N9?

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:43:36 »
R1 1u backspace and R2 1.5u delete missing.
I agree with the 1u backspace but the 1.5u delete isnít really needed since thereís already a 1.5u backspace. Seems pretty redundant to have both.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:46:22 »
R1 1u backspace and R2 1.5u delete missing.
I agree with the 1u backspace but the 1.5u delete isnít really needed since thereís already a 1.5u backspace. Seems pretty redundant to have both.
Well it depends on how you want to run it, right? Some people prefer to go R1 delete and R2 backspace, some people prefer to go R1 backspace and R2 delete. Be that as it may, this was available in GMK Doom.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:50:56 »
I'm in. Presume CR/N9?

That could be up for debate. Definitely still CR for the base but depending on interest the legends could be adjusted to something a little less "ninja".

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:52:04 »
Interested.
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:54:04 »
I'm in. Presume CR/N9?

That could be up for debate. Definitely still CR for the base but depending on interest the legends could be adjusted to something a little less "ninja".







I guess GMK renders make them look really dark, but actual pictures seem perfect.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:54:43 »
Since this set isn't being offered with accents, it would be nice if it we're offered in a colorway where there are accents available.

Oco has several sets of accents intended for Dolch that have N9 as the legend color.

Probably the brightest stock GMK gray that doesn't come across as off-white is CC.

My vote is N9.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:57:03 »
CR/N9 is perfect, don't change it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 13:01:47 »
this was available in GMK Doom.
I think going down that route is a recipe for failure. GMK Doom didnít do well and if we want this set to go differently changes will have to be made. Getting rid of very similar keys, that are only useful for one layout, to make room for compatibility is probably a better route.

Thinking it over, I can get behind getting rid of 1u backspace.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 13:03:36 »
CR/N9 is perfect, don't change it.
I completely agree here.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 13:04:34 »
I am also interested in a set containing the exact colors in the original colorway (minus novelties/accents, those were the least interesting aspect of the original project.)

Rather than starting from scratch - im curious what Cartel had in mind, not only were they the partners in the original project, they had intimated they had a theme and tweaks for the set already in mind.

For what its worth, I would actually be interested in Cartel taking the lead on the set, for those reasons.
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 13:08:43 »
this was available in GMK Doom.
I think going down that route is a recipe for failure. GMK Doom didnít do well and if we want this set to go differently changes will have to be made. Getting rid of very similar keys, that are only useful for one layout, to make room for compatibility is probably a better route.

Thinking it over, I can get behind getting rid of 1u backspace.

Doom didn't fail because of the set, it failed because the GB runner didn't do a thing to advertise or create hype around the set. That being said, price for this set is sure to go down in comparison because there will not be any novelties or accent keys included in this set's base kit.

I am also interested in a set containing the exact colors in the original colorway (minus novelties/accents, those were the least interesting aspect of the original project.)

Rather than starting from scratch - im curious what Cartel had in mind, not only were they the partners in the original project, they had intimated they had a theme and tweaks for the set already in mind.

For what its worth, I would actually be interested in Cartel taking the lead on the set, for those reasons.

I've also said that recently, not sure if Donutcat reached out to Cartel before starting this thread.
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 13:28:09 »

I am also interested in a set containing the exact colors in the original colorway (minus novelties/accents, those were the least interesting aspect of the original project.)

Rather than starting from scratch - im curious what Cartel had in mind, not only were they the partners in the original project, they had intimated they had a theme and tweaks for the set already in mind.

For what its worth, I would actually be interested in Cartel taking the lead on the set, for those reasons.

I've also said that recently, not sure if Donutcat reached out to Cartel before starting this thread.

I discussed that in the Doom thread

Without the novelties it's not CU's design, as this colourway has been run before on the Exent set. Additionally, as Cartel has already showed interest in running this, I think they should be the ones to do it, as they were heavily involved in this GB.

I'd be interested in letting them have it to run as we're pretty good buddies, I'm just wanting to get my hands on the set design for it really since I don't get much of an opportunity to throw together a set without having to worry about all the logistics behind it. Plus I think I could do a decent bit to help the kit design out.

Donut, I don't see why we'd have any issue with collaborating on it if you have some ideas and get the greenlight from CU (I agree with you on that, matter of respect even if the core colorway has shown up elsewhere). Obviously sales logistics is the only real question mark since we're both US retailers, but I imagine we could all sort something fair out.

Let me know what you hear and think tho, maybe there's something we can all make happen here.

Me and most of the dudes at Cartel are pretty good buds(at least that's how it feels to me), so I'd be very open to working with them on the set. I'm very much in favor of giving them the GB, if that's how they want to go about it, since they did so much of the work for Doom, I'm just wanting to focus on the design of the set.


Since this set isn't being offered with accents, it would be nice if it we're offered in a colorway where there are accents available.

Oco has several sets of accents intended for Dolch that have N9 as the legend color.

Probably the brightest stock GMK gray that doesn't come across as off-white is CC.

My vote is N9.

Accents aren't in the set currently, but they might be as people tell me what they're wanting out of it. I know there's lots of CMY(K) accent kits that happen, so I was wanting to differ a little and try maybe an RGB accent pack for it since I think RO2, V4, and N7 could go very well with the colors of the set.

this was available in GMK Doom.
I think going down that route is a recipe for failure. GMK Doom didnít do well and if we want this set to go differently changes will have to be made. Getting rid of very similar keys, that are only useful for one layout, to make room for compatibility is probably a better route.

Thinking it over, I can get behind getting rid of 1u backspace.

Ultimately that's up to people to decide. If a bunch of people decide they don't want the 1u Backspace/1.5u Delete in the set, or vice versa, then sobeit. Personally, I'm a fan of 1.5u Backspace and 1u \|, but if I want there to be desire for the set I've got to listen to what people want.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 13:31:12 »
Doom didn't fail because of the set, it failed because the GB runner didn't do a thing to advertise or create hype around the set. That being said, price for this set is sure to go down in comparison because there will not be any novelties or accent keys included in this set's base kit.
Or instead of dropping the price those keys can be replaced to attract new people with different layouts.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 13:51:56 »
Interested

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 14:01:26 »
I'm definitely in anyway, but I think that orange backspace looked quite nice on the DOOM renders. I'd also add a R1 1u and R2 1.5u orange backspaces next to a standard R1 2u one.
Another idea could be an split/ErgoDox set? I'm not sure how many would be interested, but for me personally ErgoDox is always a good idea :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 14:09:11 »
I'm definitely in anyway, but I think that orange backspace looked quite nice on the DOOM renders. I'd also add a R1 1u and R2 1.5u orange backspaces next to a standard R1 2u one.
Another idea could be an split/ErgoDox set? I'm not sure how many would be interested, but for me personally ErgoDox is always a good idea :)

Ergo kits never hit MOQ, even on Massdrop where the audience is over 10 times larger. It's a waste of time imo

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 14:25:58 »
Nice one!
speaking of Accent, what do you think of something unconventional?
Only Esc and Return but in three/four different colors? (One of those must be orange anyway....)

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 15:08:35 »
Nice one!
speaking of Accent, what do you think of something unconventional?
Only Esc and Return but in three/four different colors? (One of those must be orange anyway....)



Something like this is what I originally had in mind, either this and a single kit, or expand them by adding spacebars and make them each individual accent kits available for lots of sets.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 15:10:34 »
Nice one!
speaking of Accent, what do you think of something unconventional?
Only Esc and Return but in three/four different colors? (One of those must be orange anyway....)

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Something like this is what I originally had in mind, either this and a single kit, or expand them by adding spacebars and make them each individual accent kits available for lots of sets.

+1 for RGB accents

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 15:16:03 »
I think an inverted Esc and Enter keys would look cool, black legends on grey caps.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 15:57:08 »
Definitely interested.
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 16:12:55 »
I think an inverted Esc and Enter keys would look cool, black legends on grey caps.

Now that sounds interesting!
I liked the subtle orange on doom and am not particularly interested in a rgb or cmyk accent pack. Also I liked the accent key being backspace for a change.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 16:23:43 »
I'm in provided the legends remain ninja dark (N9).

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 16:24:45 »
Looks great Donut, look forward to this one  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 03 June 2018, 16:57:04 »
I'm in provided the legends remain ninja dark (N9).

Same, the low contrast is what makes this interesting for me.
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 10:16:53 »
+1 for ninja grey (N9)... anything lighter and the question comes up about "why not just get white on black"?
+1 for R1 1u Backspace.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 10:39:39 »
+1 for the inverted esc and enter keys

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 11:19:50 »
Sucks you wont be including the theme. Hopefully one day someone will combine hiphop and keyboards together,wu-tang keyset anyone??

That being said i still love the colorway and I'm glad you are picking it up from the ashes on the doom(ed) set can I ask for a favor?

Please add a 1U, R1 backspace key,I still don't know why this is still not a standard key by now. Ill buy the set regardless cuz I love the colorway,having that 1U backspace would make me very very happy

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 12:44:09 »
Sucks you wont be including the theme. Hopefully one day someone will combine hiphop and keyboards together,wu-tang keyset anyone??



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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 14:56:20 »
Nice one!
speaking of Accent, what do you think of something unconventional?
Only Esc and Return but in three/four different colors? (One of those must be orange anyway....)

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Something like this is what I originally had in mind, either this and a single kit, or expand them by adding spacebars and make them each individual accent kits available for lots of sets.

Happy you guys appreciate the concept
Anyway I'd keep it basic: esc/enter/maybe spacebar
And speaking of colors 1+ for black legends on gray, plus some kits using as base some light/pale tones (in the stealthy mood of the whole kit) of orange, yellow, blue...
Anyway it's up to you Donut, only my modest suggestions....

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 18:40:36 »
Sucks you wont be including the theme. Hopefully one day someone will combine hiphop and keyboards together,wu-tang keyset anyone??

That being said i still love the colorway and I'm glad you are picking it up from the ashes on the doom(ed) set can I ask for a favor?

Please add a 1U, R1 backspace key,I still don't know why this is still not a standard key by now. Ill buy the set regardless cuz I love the colorway,having that 1U backspace would make me very very happy

 A proper orange accent kit might well hit MOQ, especially if the colors match Skidata or Skidolcha.
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 19:15:57 »
Sucks you wont be including the theme. Hopefully one day someone will combine hiphop and keyboards together,wu-tang keyset anyone??

That being said i still love the colorway and I'm glad you are picking it up from the ashes on the doom(ed) set can I ask for a favor?

Please add a 1U, R1 backspace key,I still don't know why this is still not a standard key by now. Ill buy the set regardless cuz I love the colorway,having that 1U backspace would make me very very happy

 A proper orange accent kit might well hit MOQ, especially if the colors match Skidata or Skidolcha.

+1 for this!! Orange and grey are so so tasty together. Skidolcha is the most underrated set of the last year, I think. This set with an orange kit is a must buy!

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 20:25:33 »
Would accents of black on grey be possible?
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 21:07:03 »
I'm in if there are colored accents (red please).

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 21:53:24 »
Would accents of black on grey be possible?

Is the cheapest option since you still only use 2 colors. Lower set price.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 11:06:18 »
I am in love with this. Please keep the R3 1.75 Fn key! So few sets have one. Love this set without the novelties!

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 12:07:48 »
I am in love with this. Please keep the R3 1.75 Fn key! So few sets have one. Love this set without the novelties!
It looks like r3 1.5u in the picture but I imagine itís supposed to be 1.75u. Might just be an error unless itís for some other layout.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 12:16:37 »
Any chance to get a couple of blank R4, 1.25, keys?

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 13:22:18 »
Updated base kit based off feedback so far


Added 1u Backspace support, added CR on N9 accents.

Also, the R3 Fns are 1.25u and 1.5u, as physical support for odd layouts.
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 14:07:02 »
Perfect. Now kindly take my money, sir.

PS: Having H J K L with arrows, as GMK Terminal, would also be sweet.
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 14:07:19 »
Updated base kit based off feedback so far
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Added 1u Backspace support, added CR on N9 accents.

Also, the R3 Fns are 1.25u and 1.5u, as physical support for odd layouts.

ye ye, i dig the inverted accents

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 14:48:57 »
Updated base kit based off feedback so far
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Added 1u Backspace support, added CR on N9 accents.

Also, the R3 Fns are 1.25u and 1.5u, as physical support for odd layouts.

Yeah.. sign me up. I love the inverted accents. Really looking forward to this.

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 15:52:51 »
Also digging the color inversion accents :cool:  I'm in
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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 16:51:14 »
maybe the accents would look better with white legends?

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Re: [IC] GMK Grey on Black
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 05 June 2018, 17:49:42 »
I'm gathering that this will be all-text, no icons?

I like the current "accents" with swapped base/legend colors.

Agree that there are/have been plenty of RGBY/CMY/Etc accent kits to flesh out this base kit without need for it to include in this IC/GB.
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