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[IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:22:05 »
UPDATE
Hey guys, I know it's been a while. I'd like to update this thread by letting you all know that for the forseeable future, this project is on hold/canceled. I'm at a point in my life where I just don't have time to be held accountable for a group buy and would rather not let a buy happen that I wouldn't be able to dedicate more of my time to.

I'm very sorry if you were looking forward to this and saving up for it. Hopefully in the future I will be able to come back to this or a new design. If you were saving money for me, i'm flattered, but go spend it on Yuktsi or someone ;)


Staccato: (adverb&adjective)
with each sound or note sharply detached or separated from the others.








Renders:



You can see the gaskets here^ (mirrored on the top of the case as well)


and the channels for the gaskets here ^ (mirrored on the top of the case as well)



Wkl version ^


(shoutout to hiney for those keycaps btw)

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FbDBpOI4S66IOHGAS/giphy.gif

Detailed view of assembly ^

Hello All,

Staccato is a 60% hhkb/wkl layout board i've been designing for the better part of this year. The name "Staccato" refers to extremely short and isolated notes in the music world and the goal of these gaskets is to isolate the plate from the other parts of the case. Increasing the torque on the screws will increase the amount of sound transferred through the gaskets to the plate and will inherently change the sound. I will provide a video in the future to illustrate this a bit better. Currently I have nitrile gaskets (the same material as o-rings) but I have ordered a few different materials including foam to test. Upon reception of the initial prototype, I discovered a few errors in my design that have since been fixed. The blockers on the hhkb version were .5mm to big, the usb port was too small to support all cable types. The 2nd prototype has been ordered and I will report back with more photos once I have that in my hands.





Pricing - TBD depending on units sold (most likely below 300 usd excluding shipping)
Angle - The case is at a 6.66 degree angle
NE ISO AVAIL? - No I will not support ISO or any other layouts than what the plate shows (7u hhkb/wkl with split backspace, stepped caps, and split r shift support. If you MUST have an ISO plate, I will post a plate file here and you can get it cut with laserboost or lasergist :)
What colors will be available - None have been selected yet, but i will ask the factory for a list of all they offer (i just submitted a pantone to get my prototype)
What materials will you offer? - aluminum only for the case, brass only for the weight, and aluminum or brass for the plate. Possibly a copper plate at a higher cost
What pcb works with this? - any universal poker style pcb (gh60,dz60,panc60,b.face,etc)




I will update this with a google form to formally record questions and answers, but in the meantime please leave your comments and concerns below.
Thank you :)


https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfHtQwUVkDuscssFfY1hpE3GeVi24JFL_2d83pNs9bjS9IfYA/viewform?usp=sf_link

Form added ^

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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:25:45 »
Mi piace molto.

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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:26:24 »
Looks really cool!

Iíd love to see a nice beige colour option with the ability to mix top and bottom colours. Looking forward to your updates and a chance to hear what this sounds like!

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:27:56 »
Hermano damelo ahora.
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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:28:44 »
WKL option is nice.  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:29:02 »
Iím in

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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:29:15 »
Colour me terminally interested.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:30:06 »
Gasket mount? Yes please! That price sounds pretty appealing too. As for colors, Iíd love to see some sort of Dark blue (like the QXP) or a cool grey. Obviously that depends on what the factory can reasonably offer. This looks really exciting! Will definitely be following this IC.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:30:55 »
ne iso avail
                   

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:31:28 »
This is it chief.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:31:41 »
Love to see designers consider sound more specifically and finding innovative ways to give us a choice in sound.

Also would love to see a dark blue such that it could be paired with blue samurai

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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:33:42 »
This looks very interesting! I'd probably join in for that price.
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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:36:22 »
I am interested

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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:45:29 »
Very interested!

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:49:05 »
I have plenty of boards, but I am interested.
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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 16:12:36 »
Will pair perfectly with GMK Wavez  :))

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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 16:15:15 »
Shouldn't the Staccato be under the note tho, for the weight design I mean 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 16:18:15 »
Shouldn't the Staccato be under the note tho, for the weight design I mean 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Good eye my man, that was also fixed :) I'll add a render soon!

To be fair, as a percussionist, a lot of my modifier markings were always on the top of the staff so that's how i'm used to writing them haha.
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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 16:19:54 »
Shouldn't the Staccato be under the note tho, for the weight design I mean 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Good eye my man, that was also fixed :) I'll add a render soon!

Hehe was the first thing I noticed :D

Nice work tho! One thing tho, altho I love the look of the "exposed" plate I'm not sure if it's the best combination with gasket mount since that would create a gap between the top and plate and one between the bottom and the plate no?

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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 16:22:09 »
Shouldn't the Staccato be under the note tho, for the weight design I mean 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Good eye my man, that was also fixed :) I'll add a render soon!

Hehe was the first thing I noticed :D

Nice work tho! One thing tho, altho I love the look of the "exposed" plate I'm not sure if it's the best combination with gasket mount since that would create a gap between the top and plate and one between the bottom and the plate no?

That was my worry, but with the current 1mm nitrile gaskets, they compress just enough to make the gap extremely hard to notice. In the 2nd photo, the screws are pretty loosely tightened and that's the size of the gap. Once fully tightened the gaskets are completely compressed in the channels and it basically becomes a normal sandwich mount.

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 16:33:08 »
Still want to try out a gasket mount.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 16:37:16 »
Good work. Iím definitely interested.

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 17:26:53 »
Cool, I think I'm in

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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 17:35:01 »
Interested.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 17:53:19 »
Below $300, compatible with standard 60% PCBs, and gasket mount?  Wow, will be watching this one closely!

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 18:02:19 »
If I got it right, there are 2 gaskets on top (care to show the top?) and 2 gaskets on bottom and these 4 gaskets compress the plate.

Not sure if i understood how your design works, care to explain?


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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 18:11:23 »
If I got it right, there are 2 gaskets on top (care to show the top?) and 2 gaskets on bottom and these 4 gaskets compress the plate.

Not sure if i understood how your design works, care to explain?

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FbDBpOI4S66IOHGAS/giphy.gif

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 19:18:26 »
I'm thinking instead of using screws for the plate, you could instead just do gasket insert cuts on the plate for mounting like you did with the inserts on the bottom and top case. That way the plate wouldn't require screws and it would be mostly mounted by the gaskets instead of having the gaskets just support the screws in mounting the plate, if that makes sense.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 19:51:33 »
im in this looks great
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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 19:59:14 »
Love this!

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 20:45:39 »
Iím a classically trained musician (masters of music performance), so I think the concept is pretty cool.  But I think the weight needs work. Yes, the dot needs to go below the note in this stem orientation. But I think itís weird to have a dot weight.  Why not make the weight in a large rectangle or circle and then engrave the staccato note on it?  In fact, it would probably be pretty cool to design a logo for staccato using the word with a music note integrated.  Iím just not a fan of a single note. If you are set on just a note, maybe you could add a few more surrounding staccato notes and a staff and clef?
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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 20:45:56 »
This is really nice. Looks like my kn2.10 as well -- https://imgur.com/a/4lrEgpz

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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 20:57:01 »
Iím a classically trained musician (masters of music performance), so I think the concept is pretty cool.  But I think the weight needs work. Yes, the dot needs to go below the note in this stem orientation. But I think itís weird to have a dot weight.  Why not make the weight in a large rectangle or circle and then engrave the staccato note on it?  In fact, it would probably be pretty cool to design a logo for staccato using the word with a music note integrated.  Iím just not a fan of a single note. If you are set on just a note, maybe you could add a few more surrounding staccato notes and a staff and clef?

I'll come up with a few ideas. I tried doing triplets and it just seemed a little to busy. I had someone suggest doing a single eighth note with a tail and maybe that'll make it a bit more interesting. I could maybe do a staff, but the clef is tricky to do while keeping it machinable, unless a bass clef or something. I'll design a few other options and maybe do a poll or something!
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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 21:01:13 »
This is really nice. Looks like my kn2.10 as well -- https://imgur.com/a/4lrEgpz

kn 2.10 was a huge inspiration ;) i love that board.

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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 22:03:26 »
Dat is one exotic weight. I'm in  :))
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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 22:17:23 »
I'm game for pure HHKB style
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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 01 October 2018, 01:42:37 »
I usually want a KN2.10 but couldn't get one. This looks like an improved version. I like the ideas of gasket mount, music concept and the shape. Very interested.

I hope there would be many colors for the GB. And we could have different colors for top part, bottom part and alu plate. It's cool to do color mixing for bottom part/top part/alu or brass plate.
   
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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 01 October 2018, 06:06:21 »
Looks nice. Interested in colors.

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« Reply #39 on: Mon, 01 October 2018, 09:02:07 »
Very interesting and at that price, I'd probably be in.

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« Reply #40 on: Mon, 01 October 2018, 12:40:24 »
wow, this looks super. loving the relatively understated design, and i've been very keen to try a gasket mount. guess i better start saving now

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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 01 October 2018, 12:41:41 »
This looks nice, the price is tempting as well.

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« Reply #42 on: Mon, 01 October 2018, 14:25:23 »
Are there plans for a top with no blockers (normal layout)? If so, definitely in.

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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 00:42:24 »
Really interested in this. How many other gasket mount cases are out there?

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 01:13:56 »
Will this be alps compatible?

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 01:40:53 »
Really interested in this. How many other gasket mount cases are out there?
As far as I know only the OTD 356mini and the Meme are gasket mount. The 356mini is exceptionally rare and expensive. Plus it was made back in 2010. The Meme was recently run through a private group buy so there were only a handful (10?) made.

There may be more but I think these are the two most well known gasket mount boards.

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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 02:14:27 »
Really interested in this. How many other gasket mount cases are out there?
As far as I know only the OTD 356mini and the Meme are gasket mount. The 356mini is exceptionally rare and expensive. Plus it was made back in 2010. The Meme was recently run through a private group buy so there were only a handful (10?) made.

There may be more but I think these are the two most well known gasket mount boards.
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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 02:49:51 »
Great looking build. Definitely interested.

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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 03:00:42 »
Really interested in this. How many other gasket mount cases are out there?
As far as I know only the OTD 356mini and the Meme are gasket mount. The 356mini is exceptionally rare and expensive. Plus it was made back in 2010. The Meme was recently run through a private group buy so there were only a handful (10?) made.

There may be more but I think these are the two most well known gasket mount boards.
don't forget the Keycult No1 and the OTD 360 corsa (I believe), though those are TKLs
There's also that GSKT-00 board, but that was a private run as well.
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Re: [IC] Staccato - Gasket Mount 60%
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 12:18:04 »
Really interested in this. How many other gasket mount cases are out there?
As far as I know only the OTD 356mini and the Meme are gasket mount. The 356mini is exceptionally rare and expensive. Plus it was made back in 2010. The Meme was recently run through a private group buy so there were only a handful (10?) made.

There may be more but I think these are the two most well known gasket mount boards.
don't forget the Keycult No1 and the OTD 360 corsa (I believe), though those are TKLs
There's also that GSKT-00 board, but that was a private run as well.
Oh yea, forgot about that one

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