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Offline SuperVan

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[IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 02:59:05 »
Hi, guys.

I'm really happy to announce that I will bring Panda Switch back.
It will be the same as the existing Panda Switch except the logo. (the same leaf, the same spring, the same stem...)
I will invite TopClack and Walkerstop to confirm if the New Pandas are as same as existing Pandas.

Update later after I received the samples.

Don't worry. It's only an IC thread. There's no risk before I run the GB. GB will be built after Topclack and Walkerstop confirmed.
I know too many guys hate me now because New Pandas is too closely related to their interests. So I won't reply before Topclack and Walkerstop confirmed
« Last Edit: Mon, 08 October 2018, 18:11:08 by SuperVan »

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:01:49 »
Yay! no need to over pay for the switches. Hopefully they are identical to R1  ;D
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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:02:21 »
Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in. Super excited for this  :thumb:

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:02:33 »
Yes please

Offline SuperVan

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:03:02 »
Yay! no need to over pay for the switches. Hopefully they are identical to R1  ;D
except the logo ;D

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:26:42 »
Nice.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:27:38 »
RIP panda prices ;D

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:30:32 »
Cool, man.  :cool:
     
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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:30:59 »
K R E Y G A S M


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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:34:48 »
How are you able to replicate the Panda switch?
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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:35:05 »
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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:40:08 »
Finally

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:42:20 »
Wow, this is possibly the biggest news in the custom keyboard community this year.

Somebody explain please - what exactly do I need to convert these to Holy Pandas? Just Halo stem, right? Bottom housing, upper housing, leaf and spring are already here - is this correct?

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:42:27 »
Oh boi

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:46:49 »
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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:50:30 »
Wow, this is possibly the biggest news in the custom keyboard community this year.

Somebody explain please - what exactly do I need to convert these to Holy Pandas? Just Halo stem, right? Bottom housing, upper housing, leaf and spring are already here - is this correct?
Yep. You need to get some Halo stems.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 03:59:02 »
I'm skeptical. Do you have samples?

Offline gunchi

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 04:03:18 »
Would be interested in buying these if they are identical to existing pandas. Hopefully they are confirmed to be the same as R1...

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 04:03:52 »
Yep. You need to get some Halo stems.

Damn. I still can't believe this is happening.

Now would be the great time to make another run of Halo stems. Who makes them, are they Massdrop's property? Somebody should urge them to make R2, now is the perfect time.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 04:06:22 »
Yep. You need to get some Halo stems.

Damn. I still can't believe this is happening.

Now would be the great time to make another run of Halo stems. Who makes them, are they Massdrop's property? Somebody should urge them to make R2, now is the perfect time.

You can buy halo switches on massdrop right now

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 04:08:48 »
You can buy halo switches on massdrop right now

Wow, thanks for the info. I guess sales will explode tonight LOL

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 04:09:43 »
I think it was just closed like 15 hours ago for their in stock (should be shipped by today)
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-halo-switch-pack


Yep. You need to get some Halo stems.

Damn. I still can't believe this is happening.

Now would be the great time to make another run of Halo stems. Who makes them, are they Massdrop's property? Somebody should urge them to make R2, now is the perfect time.

You can buy halo switches on massdrop right now
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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 04:10:50 »
You can buy halo switches on massdrop right now

Wow, thanks for the info. I guess sales will explode tonight LOL

It was closed yesterday.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 04:31:14 »
Guess it closed already. I think another round is suppose though

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 05:18:52 »
deer lord

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 05:19:59 »
Fantastic news!

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 05:38:36 »
Hope this pans out - I'm down.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 05:48:48 »
Thanks for the IC post! Very interested.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 06:10:52 »
Nicely, I've been keen to test these - looking forward to updates!

Cheers!


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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 06:40:22 »
Very interested. Hope this pans out

Offline badchad

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 06:45:02 »
I hope this is legitimate as well. Curious what the new logo will be.


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Offline Oni74

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 07:58:13 »
Looking forward to finally trying these out!

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 08:40:19 »
How are you going to do it when the R1 housing was destroyed and Pete has come out saying that all the new housings they've tried don't feel the same.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 08:54:16 »
Guess it closed already. I think another round is suppose though

Actually, I found the Outemtu 'clear' stems to be superior in terms of tactility with pandas (my own personal preference).  It has a much bigger bump, but it's also steeper.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 08:56:03 »
How are you going to do it when the R1 housing was destroyed and Pete has come out saying that all the new housings they've tried don't feel the same.

I thought this as well but apparently it's not true. There's some more info in the reddit  IC thread I believe.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 09:09:02 »
When the mold and whoever machined the mold is 5k miles away, things can be uncertain.
Guess we will find out soon enough.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 09:09:47 »
Big, if true.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 09:21:45 »
Bring The Panda back :thumb:

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 09:28:23 »
Here's the original creators response from the reddit post:

"Uhhhhhh. The original moulds that 27 and I used for the pandas no longer exist - atleast in the state that they were for the original run.

Bsun do have very simmilar moulds but they are not the exact same. When I tried to get more made, we had samples sent out to us that were definitely different, and when I asked why I was told that the moulds were damged and had been edited.

Easiest way to tell is check out the housing clips on the new ones when you get samples, they are no where near as tight as they used to be." - u/zisb (www.invyr.com)

These are definitely going to be different. Also, the OG pandas without modifying them were complete garbage and the scratchiest switches I've ever felt. It would be awesome if you made the greatest linears out there but I'm super wary about all of this. Best of luck for this though! If Top Clack and Walker say it's a good switch I'll probably hop on the buy when that happens!

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 09:52:51 »
I mean, it's obvious that pretty much nobody wants to use Pandas as they are. The real reason why people went nuts over these switches is frankenswitch market and combining with either Halo True, Halo Clear or Otemu stems.

Now, making another run of Pandas looks like a difficult job from more than one perspective. First of all, original molds are supposed to be destroyed. Second, material that used to make Panda tops is thought to be POM, but lately it has been proven that it actually isn't. Instead, it's some unusual nylon mixture.


Without extensive consultation with original makers, I highly doubt it's possible to make another run anything like the first one, because you need to have:

- exact dimensions (we've all seen how badly +/-0.1mm can **** things up on recent example of Box switches)

- exact nylon mixture used (otherwise, they wont feel or sound the same)

But, with all that being said, I'm not saying it's not possible to make someting as good, or maybe even much better than the first run. For example, maybe real POM tops, or even complete POM housing would provide even better platform for frankenswitches.

Anyway, I'll wait for reviews. If prominent community members say it's good - then it's good.

And I hope this whole thread is not just a trollfest.
« Last Edit: Mon, 08 October 2018, 09:55:53 by dario »

Offline Rubbermilitia

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 09:55:17 »
I mean, it's obvious that pretty much nobody wants to use Pandas as they are. The real reason why people went nuts over these switches is frankenswitch market and combining with either Halo True, Halo Clear or Otemu stems.

Now, making another run of Pandas looks like a difficult job from more than one perspective. First of all, original molds are supposed to be destroyed. Second, material that used to make Panda tops is thought to be POM, but lately it has been proven that it actually isn't. Instead, it's some unusual nylon mixture.


Without extensivr consultation with original makers, I highly doubt it's possible to make another run anything like the first one, because you need to have:

- exact dimensions (we've all seen how badly +/-0.1mm can **** things up on recent example of Box switches)

- exact nylon mixture used (otherwise, they wont feel or sound the same)

But, with all that being said, I'm not saying it's not possible to make someting as good, or maybe even much better than the first run. For example, maybe real POM tops, or even complete POM housing would provide even better platform for frankenswitches.

Anyway, I'll wait for reviews. If prominent community membeers say it's good - then it's good.

And I hope this whole thread is not just a trollfest.

Novelkeys is supposed to be dropping a totally-pom housing 'cream' switch at some point- def excited for that

Offline dario

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:00:23 »
Novelkeys is supposed to be dropping a totally-pom housing 'cream' switch at some point- def excited for that

Novelkey Cream switches are indeed made of POM, but first reviews I saw were not especially good. They are not bad switches by any means, but they have certain "stutter" feel to them when you press them from unexpected angles. At least, that's what I heard.
« Last Edit: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:02:01 by dario »

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:05:17 »
I feel like we're due for some clarification. What is OPs connection to the previous GB runners? What's the deal with the moulds?

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:06:26 »
Novelkeys is supposed to be dropping a totally-pom housing 'cream' switch at some point- def excited for that

Novelkey Cream switches are indeed made of POM, but first reviews I saw were not especially good. They are not bad switches by any means, but they have certain "stutter" feel to them when you press them from unexpected angles. At least, that's what I heard.

yeah the initial reviews have not been as good as I had hoped :( I wonder if they will be retooled or just never hit the market

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:14:23 »
yay

In for 2000 pieces. This is what I’m talking about baby.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:16:52 »
Let’s try our best to bring that panda back instead of paying 6 bucks per piece after market :)

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:22:09 »
I feel like we're due for some clarification. What is OPs connection to the previous GB runners? What's the deal with the moulds?

There's no connection. The molds were destroyed according to Invyr.

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:27:26 »
Wow, this is possibly the biggest news in the custom keyboard community this year.

Somebody explain please - what exactly do I need to convert these to Holy Pandas? Just Halo stem, right? Bottom housing, upper housing, leaf and spring are already here - is this correct?

You just need the halo stem and any spring you choose (or use stock panda spring)

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:56:12 »
I feel like we're due for some clarification. What is OPs connection to the previous GB runners? What's the deal with the moulds?

There's no connection. The molds were destroyed according to Invyr.

Incorrect, they still exists, they're just worn out.  They tried to make new molds, but couldn't get it right. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9md09u/icnew_original_panda_linear_switch/e7e3v8h/

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Re: [IC]New Original 'Panda' Linear Switch
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 08 October 2018, 11:16:58 »
Glad I chose Nixies over some Pandas for my meme board I made a few months back...

Definitely going to get some of these.
Why did you even have to post an interest check?
Just post the GB and bask in thousands of orders  :cool: