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Re: [IC] PCB & PC/CF plate for TGR Alice
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 09:16:20 »
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Re: [IC] PCB & PC/CF plate for TGR Alice
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:24:50 »
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

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Re: [IC] PCB & PC/CF plate for TGR Alice
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:39:05 »
Is this still going to be limited to 20 orders only?
I am so in for this.

For this run, we would like to limit orders to 1 pcb per person. Maximum total units to about 30-40 to keep qc tight. No limit to plates though.

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Re: [IC] PCB & PC/CF plate for TGR Alice
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:45:13 »
Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?

...Or could you make an Alps PCB?
This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.

Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
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Re: [IC] PCB & PC/CF plate for TGR Alice
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:46:27 »
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)

i was gonna do clear PC, it's fairly easy to find a place that'll waterjet it

i can send you the info if you'd like
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Re: [IC] PCB & PC/CF plate for TGR Alice
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:56:28 »
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)

i was gonna do clear PC, it's fairly easy to find a place that'll waterjet it

i can send you the info if you'd like

I'll hit you up on discord

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Re: [IC] PCB & PC/CF plate for TGR Alice
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:44:01 »
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)

i was gonna do clear PC, it's fairly easy to find a place that'll waterjet it

i can send you the info if you'd like

Thanks. I think I have the file actually. Just wanna find somewhere uk/eu that'll do poly.

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Re: [IC] PCB & PC/CF plate for TGR Alice
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:48:55 »
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)

i was gonna do clear PC, it's fairly easy to find a place that'll waterjet it

i can send you the info if you'd like

Thanks. I think I have the file actually. Just wanna find somewhere uk/eu that'll do poly.
Puddsy just pointed me to a shop that can do clear PC. I'll set up a poll to see what people are in favor of. One off pc plates are usually pricey so check back if you don't find a spot that can't do it for a reasonable price.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:55:49 »
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?

Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:05:21 »
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?

Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around

at least 6-8 weeks from now from what he's said to me
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:06:39 »
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?

Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around

at least 6-8 weeks from now from what he's said to me

tyty, that sounds great.

Time to cerakote in the mean time :]

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:07:31 »
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?

Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around

at least 6-8 weeks from now from what he's said to me

tyty, that sounds great.

Time to cerakote in the mean time :]

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[IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:08:26 »
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?

Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around

at least 6-8 weeks from now from what he's said to me

tyty, that sounds great.

Time to cerakote in the mean time :]

that's a mistake but live your life

oof, any specific reason other than destroying the original ano?

iíll pm you on disc cus I donít wanna spam this thread
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 21:45:39 »
Time to cerakote in the mean time :]

$700 cerakote job


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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 08:24:04 »
Yeah, definitely interested in a PCB/plate combo. Would +1 the clear pc over frosted given the option.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 22:09:04 »
Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?

...Or could you make an Alps PCB?
This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.

Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Is it possible for me to design the alps plate and submit as part your order, and buy, say 5 / 10 myself?

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 23:16:24 »
Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?

...Or could you make an Alps PCB?
This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.

Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Is it possible for me to design the alps plate and submit as part your order, and buy, say 5 / 10 myself?

Will need to ask Maarten if he is able to add alps compat. I sent you a PM.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (UPDATE: Vote polycarb plate preference)
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 25 January 2019, 00:08:08 »
Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?

...Or could you make an Alps PCB?
This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.

Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Is it possible for me to design the alps plate and submit as part your order, and buy, say 5 / 10 myself?

Will need to ask Maarten if he is able to add alps compat. I sent you a PM.

+1 for ALPS. I would love to use the dual compatible hole setup like bakingpy does for his boards on keeb.io
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 25 January 2019, 16:35:12 »
Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?

...Or could you make an Alps PCB?
This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.

Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!

Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Is it possible for me to design the alps plate and submit as part your order, and buy, say 5 / 10 myself?

Will need to ask Maarten if he is able to add alps compat. I sent you a PM.

+1 for ALPS. I would love to use the dual compatible hole setup like bakingpy does for his boards on keeb.io

ALPS support added for PCB.

Current plates are MX plates only. If you want ALPs plate option, you will need to provide file.

Also, I am likely going to run plates first. Soon.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:42:20 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:52:11 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...
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those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used

LZ has used them in the past

better to have two separate plates in this case
« Last Edit: Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:54:28 by Puddsy »
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:54:05 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...
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those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount switches, would not buy if they were used

LZ has used them in the past

better to have two separate plates in this case
I'd agree here. I think it's better to have two separate plates.
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 02:29:20 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...
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those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount switches, would not buy if they were used

LZ has used them in the past

better to have two separate plates in this case
I'd agree here. I think it's better to have two separate plates.

So do I. Alps plates are supposed to be 1.2mm, not 1.5mm.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 02:38:46 »
I'm in on the PCB and PC plate :)

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 10:32:07 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...
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those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used

LZ has used them in the past

better to have two separate plates in this case
You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?


EDIT : ... Yes.

Anyway, dual should be fine for a proto since we don't have an alps pcb to test alignment...?
« Last Edit: Sun, 27 January 2019, 10:34:51 by fireworm »

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #75 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 10:34:04 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...
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those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used

LZ has used them in the past

better to have two separate plates in this case
You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?

In other words, no hybrid MX/Alps cutouts - yeah. One plate dedicated for MX, one for Alps.
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #76 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 10:41:58 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...
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those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used

LZ has used them in the past

better to have two separate plates in this case
You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?

In other words, no hybrid MX/Alps cutouts - yeah. One plate dedicated for MX, one for Alps.
K.

What about the mx / costar cutouts? They seem to have the same '+' issue, too...

And I think alps stabs are terrible...

Edit: I also worry about not getting enough folks interested for alps plates, if they are by themselves. I think five or ten would sell, tops...
« Last Edit: Sun, 27 January 2019, 11:04:38 by fireworm »

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 11:22:44 »
And I think alps stabs are terrible...

True

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #78 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:39:22 »
Alps compatibility is a good update! I would buy an Alps plate for sure. Looking forward to the GB on this PCB + Plate.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #79 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:45:01 »
I am definitely interested in a Carbon Fiber plate for the Alice  :thumb: :thumb:

I'll grab 1 extra PCB too, just to have a spare.

Exciting stuff here.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #80 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:47:30 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...
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those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used

LZ has used them in the past

better to have two separate plates in this case
You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?

In other words, no hybrid MX/Alps cutouts - yeah. One plate dedicated for MX, one for Alps.
K.

What about the mx / costar cutouts? They seem to have the same '+' issue, too...

And I think alps stabs are terrible...

Edit: I also worry about not getting enough folks interested for alps plates, if they are by themselves. I think five or ten would sell, tops...

why would anyone use platemount stabs on a board like an alice, no need to support that either
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #81 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:51:22 »
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.

Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?

If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.

We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.

DM me for the plate eps files...
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those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used

LZ has used them in the past

better to have two separate plates in this case
You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?

In other words, no hybrid MX/Alps cutouts - yeah. One plate dedicated for MX, one for Alps.
K.

What about the mx / costar cutouts? They seem to have the same '+' issue, too...

And I think alps stabs are terrible...

Edit: I also worry about not getting enough folks interested for alps plates, if they are by themselves. I think five or ten would sell, tops...

why would anyone use platemount stabs on a board like an alice, no need to support that either
There are pcb mount alps stabs?

Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:53:35 »
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #83 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:03:16 »
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #84 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:04:13 »
Puddys you posted a dead link in your original thread I believe.

99066 not 99166

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #85 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:12:16 »
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/

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Alps stabs superior to costar?

News to me...

Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice.  Thus costar?

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB & PC/CF plate (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:37:05 »
Puddys you posted a dead link in your original thread I believe.

99066 not 99166

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:22:37 »
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/

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Alps stabs superior to costar?

News to me...

Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice.  Thus costar?

Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.

I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:26:56 »
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/

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Alps stabs superior to costar?

News to me...

Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice.  Thus costar?

Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.

I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:29:20 »
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/

agree
Alps stabs superior to costar?

News to me...

Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice.  Thus costar?

Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.

I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.
Sigh. OK, I'll redo with alps stabs...

In either case, I need a proto to verify things are OK. Or just someone to double check things, so I'm not the only one with my head in my ass...

(I made the plate by taking the yuksti plate, taking an alps-mx cutout plus alps cutout grouped, aligned that with the original mx cutout, then removed both the mx and alps-mx.  Not sure on tolerance though...)

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:30:37 »
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/

agree
Alps stabs superior to costar?

News to me...

Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice.  Thus costar?

Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.

I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.

this is the correct path

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... But I'd be pleased most with Nexus slider'd brown alps in an Alice.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:30:57 »
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?

If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/

agree
Alps stabs superior to costar?

News to me...

Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice.  Thus costar?

Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.

I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.
Sigh. OK, I'll redo with alps stabs...

In either case, I need a proto to verify things are OK. Or just someone to double check things, so I'm not the only one with my head in my ass...

(I made the plate by taking the yuksti plate, taking an alps-mx cutout plus alps cutout grouped, aligned that with the original mx cutout, then removed both the mx and alps-mx.  Not sure on tolerance though...)

Here's a link to some reference plates you could use -- they of course aren't for Alice specifically, but the cutouts have been tested.


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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:33:40 »

Here's a link to some reference plates you could use -- they of course aren't for Alice specifically, but the cutouts have been tested.

Thanks.

I've been using the dxf's from swillkb, and some copy pasting in Illustrator... Which seems to be OK enough.

If no one wants to help, I can just laser some acrylic on ponoko for $30 and see myself, but that will take a week or two for turnaround...

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:15:49 »

Here's a link to some reference plates you could use -- they of course aren't for Alice specifically, but the cutouts have been tested.

Thanks.

I've been using the dxf's from swillkb, and some copy pasting in Illustrator... Which seems to be OK enough.

If no one wants to help, I can just laser some acrylic on ponoko for $30 and see myself, but that will take a week or two for turnaround...



Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].

I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:19:01 »

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Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].

I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...


Neither the first nor second on that picture seem feasible, since the clip wouldn't be able to, well, clip onto the plate.
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:26:23 »

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Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].

I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...


Neither the first nor second on that picture seem feasible, since the clip wouldn't be able to, well, clip onto the plate.

Correct.  Sorry I didn't add details.

First picture is with [two 1u] and [one 2u] with alps stabs.

Second picture is [one 1.75u + 1u] and a [2.75u] with alps stabs.

Third picture is just a [2.75u] with alps stabs.

Costar stabs fix this, since they go all the way to the top of the slot.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #97 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:30:58 »

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Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].

I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...


Neither the first nor second on that picture seem feasible, since the clip wouldn't be able to, well, clip onto the plate.

Correct.  Sorry I didn't add details.

First picture is with [two 1u] and [one 2u] with alps stabs.

Second picture is [one 1.75u + 1u] and a [2.75u] with alps stabs.

Third picture is just a [2.75u] with alps stabs.

Costar stabs fix this, since they go all the way to the top of the slot.


If Costar stabs are reliable, and readily available, it would be a good option. As long as they can be compatible with original Alps keycaps from old boards.
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:36:40 »

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Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].

I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...


Neither the first nor second on that picture seem feasible, since the clip wouldn't be able to, well, clip onto the plate.

Correct.  Sorry I didn't add details.

First picture is with [two 1u] and [one 2u] with alps stabs.

Second picture is [one 1.75u + 1u] and a [2.75u] with alps stabs.

Third picture is just a [2.75u] with alps stabs.

Costar stabs fix this, since they go all the way to the top of the slot.


If Costar stabs are reliable, and readily available, it would be a good option. As long as they can be compatible with original Alps keycaps from old boards.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57458.0

Looks like a small mod would be in order.  But we could provide that to anyone who buys the pcb??

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:13:21 »
Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.
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