Author Topic: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (27/04/2019 RENDERS ADDED, STILL WAITING FOR SAMPLES)  (Read 11740 times)

EightDiagram and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Jurka

  • Posts: 16
  • Location: EU
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #100 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 07:52:48 »
Was the print on the E key considered? It is not included in the original set but the sign accesible through AltGr is default option in many ISO layouts (including the Czech ISO layout..and this set is in Czech ISO). Since basically all AltGr options are printed in the down right corner of the caps the sign should be printed on the E key as well.
And the & symbol on the C as well? I think it makes sense but I'd like others to chime in to see how they feel about this as well.

Yes, & is also accessible through AltGr on the C key. But it is slightly more complicated. If your TKL layout is 87 keys the Czech layout (the Enter is no ISO here but that's irrelevant) looks like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Keyboard_layout_Czech.svg. Notice the differences: the key above the enter key misses symbol but this symbol is accessible through AltGr. then there are the three keys between M and Enter. These in combination with AltGr give from left to right: < > *. But these symbol can be accessed more easily if you include the 88th key with the sacrifice of shorter left Shift (and because we can, we add the & symbol as well). Then you get the layout we see in this group buy and there is no need to print the AltGr default options on these three keys between M and Enter (also, it is incredible clumsy procedure to hold AltGr and then press any of these three keys from default finger position).

Conclusion: It really depends what people here decide to do. The current state of the prints with the mistakes out of the way is great. I think it would look nice and continous if the C had the & print.
I've updated the kit. Let me know if there are still errors.

The mistakes are fixed but the legend on C should be &, not . should be on E key. I really like you agreed to compromise and added the blue spacebars to the GB!
Tenkeyless and penniless.


Offline laserbeamspewpew

  • Posts: 123
  • Location: Brooklyn
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (01/04/2019 KIT UPDATE)
« Reply #101 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 09:25:19 »
What kind of blue will the sub legends and accents be? In the Deskthority photos the sub legends look almost navy, which I think would be nice and differentiate the set from Blue Alert.

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #102 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 12:41:48 »
Was the print on the E key considered? It is not included in the original set but the sign accesible through AltGr is default option in many ISO layouts (including the Czech ISO layout..and this set is in Czech ISO). Since basically all AltGr options are printed in the down right corner of the caps the sign should be printed on the E key as well.
And the & symbol on the C as well? I think it makes sense but I'd like others to chime in to see how they feel about this as well.

Yes, & is also accessible through AltGr on the C key. But it is slightly more complicated. If your TKL layout is 87 keys the Czech layout (the Enter is no ISO here but that's irrelevant) looks like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Keyboard_layout_Czech.svg. Notice the differences: the key above the enter key misses symbol but this symbol is accessible through AltGr. then there are the three keys between M and Enter. These in combination with AltGr give from left to right: < > *. But these symbol can be accessed more easily if you include the 88th key with the sacrifice of shorter left Shift (and because we can, we add the & symbol as well). Then you get the layout we see in this group buy and there is no need to print the AltGr default options on these three keys between M and Enter (also, it is incredible clumsy procedure to hold AltGr and then press any of these three keys from default finger position).

Conclusion: It really depends what people here decide to do. The current state of the prints with the mistakes out of the way is great. I think it would look nice and continous if the C had the & print.
I've updated the kit. Let me know if there are still errors.

The mistakes are fixed but the legend on C should be &, not . should be on E key. I really like you agreed to compromise and added the blue spacebars to the GB!

Oh geez. I should learn reading comprehension.

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (01/04/2019 KIT UPDATE)
« Reply #103 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 13:31:52 »
What kind of blue will the sub legends and accents be? In the Deskthority photos the sub legends look almost navy, which I think would be nice and differentiate the set from Blue Alert.
I'm wanting to match the sideprinted legends. There are a few sets of photos of the original set on deskthority. I think the one that you have been looking at has the side of the cap in shadow which makes the sides darker than the tops.

Offline Jurka

  • Posts: 16
  • Location: EU
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (01/04/2019 KIT UPDATE)
« Reply #104 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 21:36:07 »
What kind of blue will the sub legends and accents be? In the Deskthority photos the sub legends look almost navy, which I think would be nice and differentiate the set from Blue Alert.
I'm wanting to match the sideprinted legends. There are a few sets of photos of the original set on deskthority. I think the one that you have been looking at has the side of the cap in shadow which makes the sides darker than the tops.

I just noticed the original set has no writing on backspace, enters, shifts and tab but your legends include writings. I personally think only symbolic legends look better and it is also more authentic.
Tenkeyless and penniless.


Offline enrique.aliaga

  • Posts: 192
[IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (01/04/2019 KIT UPDATE)
« Reply #105 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 21:48:40 »
What kind of blue will the sub legends and accents be? In the Deskthority photos the sub legends look almost navy, which I think would be nice and differentiate the set from Blue Alert.
I'm wanting to match the sideprinted legends. There are a few sets of photos of the original set on deskthority. I think the one that you have been looking at has the side of the cap in shadow which makes the sides darker than the tops.

I just noticed the original set has no writing on backspace, enters, shifts and tab but your legends include writings. I personally think only symbolic legends look better and it is also more authentic.

Several of us have voiced this before, but according to Gok, Icon+Text modifiers won in the poll he conducted a while back. Sad given that I too think purely Icon mods would be more authentic, but it is what it is, I guess...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (01/04/2019 KIT UPDATE)
« Reply #106 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 22:28:38 »
What kind of blue will the sub legends and accents be? In the Deskthority photos the sub legends look almost navy, which I think would be nice and differentiate the set from Blue Alert.
I'm wanting to match the sideprinted legends. There are a few sets of photos of the original set on deskthority. I think the one that you have been looking at has the side of the cap in shadow which makes the sides darker than the tops.

I just noticed the original set has no writing on backspace, enters, shifts and tab but your legends include writings. I personally think only symbolic legends look better and it is also more authentic.

What kind of blue will the sub legends and accents be? In the Deskthority photos the sub legends look almost navy, which I think would be nice and differentiate the set from Blue Alert.
I'm wanting to match the sideprinted legends. There are a few sets of photos of the original set on deskthority. I think the one that you have been looking at has the side of the cap in shadow which makes the sides darker than the tops.

I just noticed the original set has no writing on backspace, enters, shifts and tab but your legends include writings. I personally think only symbolic legends look better and it is also more authentic.

Several of us have voiced this before, but according to Gok, Icon+Text modifiers won in the poll he conducted a while back. Sad given that I too think purely Icon mods would be more authentic, but it is what it is, I guess...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
These are the results from the first poll

Offline Jurka

  • Posts: 16
  • Location: EU
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (01/04/2019 KIT UPDATE)
« Reply #107 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 22:43:21 »
Ah, I see. My apologies, I didn't notice. Shame, I really like the cleanness.
Tenkeyless and penniless.


Offline hineybush

  • * Maker
  • Posts: 883
  • Location: Dayton, OH, USA
  • too many ideas, not enough money
    • hineybush keyboards
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (01/04/2019 KIT UPDATE)
« Reply #108 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 22:44:58 »
I dig it.

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (02/04/2019 WAITING FOR SAMPLES)
« Reply #109 on: Tue, 02 April 2019, 04:54:38 »
I have fixed the E key and have settled with having the & symbol on the C, even though there would be a double up of this legend for ISO users that split their left shift.
My rationale is that I am optimising the set for the majority and the number of ANSI users far outweigh that of ISO.

Online dallman5

  • Formerly UberDrk
  • Posts: 179
  • Location: Maryland, USA
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (02/04/2019 WAITING FOR SAMPLES)
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 03 April 2019, 10:16:12 »
I personally would have preferred the legends to stay as close as possible to the original 3000SAT (i.e. no sub-legends on C and E), since this is meant to be a replica in the end. 

Aesthetically-speaking, adding more sub-legends takes away from the OG board's somewhat sporadic sub-legends, which I am a big fan of. I would be supportive of making those keys optional, however, similar to what you've done with the Z key in regards to the <> legends.
Current collection:
More
HHKB Pro 1 (KB300BN) | Realforce 86U (White) | Realforce R2 PFU Edition (Ivory)

GSKT-00 (Silver, Poker) | TGR 910 SE (Pink on Blue) | TGR 910 RE (Polycarbonate) | OTD Koala (Silver WKL) | TGR Jane v2 (Blue-grey, WKL) | LZ-MP (Shine Grey, WKL) | TGR Alice (Grey on Pink) | TGR Tris (Blue)

IBM Model M SSK (APL) | IBM 3279 Beamspring (APL) | IBM Model F Unsaver (APL)

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (02/04/2019 WAITING FOR SAMPLES)
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 03 April 2019, 18:05:12 »
I personally would have preferred the legends to stay as close as possible to the original 3000SAT (i.e. no sub-legends on C and E), since this is meant to be a replica in the end. 

Aesthetically-speaking, adding more sub-legends takes away from the OG board's somewhat sporadic sub-legends, which I am a big fan of. I would be supportive of making those keys optional, however, similar to what you've done with the Z key in regards to the <> legends.

There are already some differences such as text+icon mods. If I wanted it to be an exact replica, I would have just copied the original as closely as possible 1:1.
I will probably open another poll to confirm whether to keep the additional sublegends though but I really needed to finish this up to a stage where it can be prototyped to check the sideprinted dyesub quality.
Making additional keys is an option but I want to keep the set pretty lean and this is isn't an issue of inconsistencies between ANSI vs ISO layouts like the Y key was.

Offline xondat

  • i'm not a star
  • * Maker
  • Posts: 4966
  • Location: United Kingdom
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (02/04/2019 WAITING FOR SAMPLES)
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 03 April 2019, 18:14:20 »
Oh boy, missed this for a while now... Looks great gok :-*

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Renders added. Still waiting on samples.

Offline TuCZnak

  • Posts: 136
Whoa, an actual keycap set with Czech legends? Count me the hell in just out of principle
MOQ means Minimum Order Quantity. You either reach it or you don't, there's no "pushing for higher MOQ", just pushing for more orders.

Offline cekagekh

  • Posts: 5
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #115 on: Sun, 28 April 2019, 09:56:53 »
I've just confirmed with KBDfans that epbt can do purely barred keys so we will run with that.

I think you will find the community split on what's preferred. But EPBT might want to rework their scooped design.

See my Reddit post demonstrating the problem here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/b08vog/enjoypbt_homing_keys_impact_switch_housings/

I personally like scoops, but I assume fixing this will be pretty expensive, so I'm happy to settle for no scoops.

I second this. The problem with scooped keycaps is the biggest reason that prevents me from getting more epbt sets.

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #116 on: Sun, 28 April 2019, 14:05:57 »
I've just confirmed with KBDfans that epbt can do purely barred keys so we will run with that.

I think you will find the community split on what's preferred. But EPBT might want to rework their scooped design.

See my Reddit post demonstrating the problem here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/b08vog/enjoypbt_homing_keys_impact_switch_housings/

I personally like scoops, but I assume fixing this will be pretty expensive, so I'm happy to settle for no scoops.

I second this. The problem with scooped keycaps is the biggest reason that prevents me from getting more epbt sets.

Kuro/Shiro, extended 2048 and this will have barred only caps. Extended may also ofter 2 types of d and j keys if I remember correctly.
« Last Edit: Sun, 28 April 2019, 19:33:22 by gok101 »

Online Visionaire

  • Posts: 271
Still can't believe they're renders. :)
Duck Jetfire | Duck Eagle | Singa R2 | COD67 | TX75 | KBD75 (and more on the way... )

Offline Pony_Hsieh

  • Posts: 1
Maybe put the blue Esc, ANSI Enter and Iso Enter into the Accent Kit?

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Maybe put the blue Esc, ANSI Enter and Iso Enter into the Accent Kit?
That's probably a good idea. I'll change that for the next kit revision.

Offline futurecrime

  • Posts: 757
  • Location: London, England
  • Probably tired right now.
This looks so nice mate. I'm in for sure.

Offline duxbridge

  • Posts: 11
Very interested in this set!

Offline sl70309

  • Posts: 64
any update on this?

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
any update on this?
Still waiting on samples. Any feedback about the current kit is welcomed though. I've been waiting for more before I do another revision.

Offline pr0ximity

  • Posts: 2365
  • Location: Vacationland
Tell them to get R5 mod molds. Aside from that, kits look great to me, I'm interested

Offline TuCZnak

  • Posts: 136
any update on this?
Still waiting on samples. Any feedback about the current kit is welcomed though. I've been waiting for more before I do another revision.

May I suggest adding R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys for the 65% and 75% crowd? Probably to the addon kit, for those that like Home/End/PgUp/PgDn more than Home/PgUp/PgDn/End...
MOQ means Minimum Order Quantity. You either reach it or you don't, there's no "pushing for higher MOQ", just pushing for more orders.

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
any update on this?
Still waiting on samples. Any feedback about the current kit is welcomed though. I've been waiting for more before I do another revision.

May I suggest adding R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys for the 65% and 75% crowd? Probably to the addon kit, for those that like Home/End/PgUp/PgDn more than Home/PgUp/PgDn/End...

I wouldn't want to add more keys ot the base set but I'd consider adding it to an extension kit if there is enough demand.

Offline kzlow

  • Posts: 5
Support! Nice set.

Offline kconfire

  • Posts: 339
  • Location: NJ, USA
Would you just take my moneyz?
TGR Jane v2 WKL Blue, TGR Jane CE v2, Keycult No.2 Classic Stainless, Keycult No.2 Contemporary Red

Offline Wongstongs

  • Posts: 48
Yeah agreed, my money is ready to be thrown at you

Offline kconfire

  • Posts: 339
  • Location: NJ, USA
Yeah agreed, my money is ready to be thrown at you

Throw it to me
TGR Jane v2 WKL Blue, TGR Jane CE v2, Keycult No.2 Classic Stainless, Keycult No.2 Contemporary Red

Offline VaclavKucera

  • Posts: 12
  • Location: Prague, Czech Republic
  • Helidox w/Halostotles | Planck r6 w/Blacks
Just czeching in as well to voice my support! Usually I'd argue for better ortho coverage, but it probably wouldn't meet MOQ, so I'll make do with misplaced legends (like R2 PgDn instead of Tab and R3 End instead of Esc).

Offline gok101

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 280
  • Location: NZ
  • Enjoy your PBT
Just czeching in as well to voice my support! Usually I'd argue for better ortho coverage, but it probably wouldn't meet MOQ, so I'll make do with misplaced legends (like R2 PgDn instead of Tab and R3 End instead of Esc).
MOQ works a bit differently with EPBT. As long as the base set meets it, they will produce the required quantities for any child kits.
Since this is just a beige set, I could consider doing an ortho kit since it would also be compatible with any of the standard EPBT sets.

Offline rockydbull

  • Posts: 47
Just czeching in as well to voice my support! Usually I'd argue for better ortho coverage, but it probably wouldn't meet MOQ, so I'll make do with misplaced legends (like R2 PgDn instead of Tab and R3 End instead of Esc).
MOQ works a bit differently with EPBT. As long as the base set meets it, they will produce the required quantities for any child kits.
Since this is just a beige set, I could consider doing an ortho kit since it would also be compatible with any of the standard EPBT sets.

Ortho kit with legends that would color match other beige epbt sets would be dope.