[IC] H87a: QMK-powered TKL PCB

[hineybush]

hey

Invisibiliti approached me about making a QMK-progammable PCB for his 10-unit run polycarb/acrylic (I forget which) Unicorn TKL group buy. He sent me a broken (some diodes and the USB port were borked) Mech27 PCB to use for reference. I've noticed a gap in proper QMK "kustom" TKL PCBs, so I'm here to fill that gap.





At this point, I've received the 10 PCBs for this run and have assembled one of them. I ordered diodes of the wrong package size, so I'm waiting for the right ones to come in.



RGB works nicely



In-switch LED works nicely

Okay so yeah, anyway.

Specs:

• TKL PCB
• Programmable via QMK
• "Skinny A87" form factor - same footprint as B87, but same USB placement and stab layout as A87.
• Standard ANSI and WKL bottom rows, ISO enter, short right and left shifts, 2u backspace
• Top-side Mini USB port
• Spacebar stab is under the spacebar switch (this is important for kustoms, and generally dictates compatibility). https://i.imgur.com/IODhEBW.png
• RGB underglow
• One-color in-switch LED
• Powered by Atmega32U4 MCU
• No physical reset switch - just short two pins on the PCB (for case compatibility)
• Pins to solder a daughter board on (Moon TKL, for example)
• Fully soldered and pre-programmed with a basic TKL map out of the box
• SPI pins
• Breakaway USB port for cases that use USB daughterboards
• Matte black solder mask w/ white text. There will be a special edition sold by Cartel that will be red w/ black lettering.

Note that compatibility will vary for this. It is not a drop-in PCB for any TKL. It will be the buyer's responsibility to ensure that the PCB will work with their target case/board. I'll work on gathering a compatibility list from some sources I have in the community. I do have plans to make an "H87b" version that has the spacebar stab swapped to the north side of the switch.

Check out this thread to get an idea of theoretical compatibility - i will update as i learn this fits certain cases listed: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0

I expect to have these built and shipped to my 10 prototype buyers in the next two weeks. Once that is done, I will focus on getting this to market and mass production.

Price

At this moment based on my quotes/math, I'll be able to charge $45 per PCB with an MOQ of 50. If the total order number reaches 100, I should be able to drop that to $40 (TBD). These prices aren't 100% final yet, but are very close to my pricing goals.

If you have any questions, feel free to leave em below. I hope this can help the western keeb community get away from bootmapper/jigon.

[Remsky]

I need like 3 or 4. Def in

[oh_chesteroni]

Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?

I am the less experienced one

[dimo]

price looks great to just try out

What’s the best way to go about seeing if it would fit in a board (a prebuilt ducky one— idc about the usb port)

Are there measurements ? thanks, and consider me interested !

[Velvet_Crowe]

Cant wait for my prototype to come in!
The lack of QMK pcbs for TKL kustoms is definitely an issue.

[cijanzen]

Great to see the TKL world getting some much deserved love from QMK. Great job!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[bisoromi]

ohh very nice. def interested

[hineybush]

Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?

I am the less experienced one

Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.

price looks great to just try out

What’s the best way to go about seeing if it would fit in a board (a prebuilt ducky one— idc about the usb port)

Are there measurements ? thanks, and consider me interested !

This will not fit in a prebuilt Ducky (or any OEM TKL for that matter), I'm sure. The spacing between the alphas and the F-row is different for most custom TKLs - 0.25u closer to the alphas than an OEM-style TKL.

The size is as follows:
X (width) 344.8mm
Y (height) 117.9mm
The USB port island extends an additional 4.9mm off of the top, and is 9.4mm wide. It is centered between the F12 and Print Screen keys.

[oh_chesteroni]

Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?

I am the less experienced one

Show Image

Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.

Thanks for the clarification!

I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.

[hineybush]

Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?

I am the less experienced one

Show Image

Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.

Thanks for the clarification!

I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.

Awesome. Like I said in the OP I'll make an H87b version soonly too. I went with the B87 form factor to hopefully not run into issues with fitment.

[mech0nly]

hiney, the another gap is mx & alps compatibility

[wholypantalones]

Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?

I am the less experienced one

Show Image

Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.

Thanks for the clarification!

I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.

Leeku 87 boards, Kin 87 boards, Mech27, Mira, etc are all b87 from my understanding.

I personally don't care for QMK and like JiGon, but variety never hurt anyone I suppose.

[dgneo]

In for at least one, great work hiney

[C³—Ears]

Good luck!

[ns90]

I would love one to replace my PCB on my Mira

[redbanshee]

Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?

I am the less experienced one

Show Image

Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.

Thanks for the clarification!

I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.

Leeku 87 boards, Kin 87 boards, Mech27, Mira, etc are all b87 from my understanding.

I personally don't care for QMK and like JiGon, but variety never hurt anyone I suppose.

I wish the term b.87 would go away.... its confusing... B.87 in the way you are referring to it here, only pertains to the footprint (dimensions) of the PCB.

A legit B.87 pcb (from winkeyless.kr) would not actually fit any of those cases because the USB port is in the wrong spot and wrong side of the PCB.

IMO it should be called something different like "Skinny A87" form factor - same footprint as B87, but same USB placement as A87.  edit: looks like hineybush is referring to it in that way! yay!

[Kavik]

I'm not sure if I need one, but I think the Moon TKL customers with defective/missing PCBs will appreciate this (if they can source a daughterboard). This looks pretty close to the PCB for Moon.

[hineybush]

Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?

I am the less experienced one

Show Image

Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.

Thanks for the clarification!

I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.

Leeku 87 boards, Kin 87 boards, Mech27, Mira, etc are all b87 from my understanding.

I personally don't care for QMK and like JiGon, but variety never hurt anyone I suppose.

I wish the term b.87 would go away.... its confusing... B.87 in the way you are referring to it here, only pertains to the footprint (dimensions) of the PCB.

A legit B.87 pcb (from winkeyless.kr) would not actually fit any of those cases because the USB port is in the wrong spot and wrong side of the PCB.

IMO it should be called something different like "Skinny A87" form factor - same footprint as B87, but same USB placement as A87.  edit: looks like hineybush is referring to it in that way! yay!

Yeah I'm sorry about the confusion - another guy approached me about changing my wording up.

To clarify: The a and b in H87a/b denotes the spacebar stab orientation - a is south/under the switch (like in the a.87), b is north/over the switch (like in the b.87). The USB placement on both H87a andH87b is the same as a.87. Both the H87a and H87b have the same physical size - the same as the b.87.

hiney, the another gap is mx & alps compatibility ;)

I could do this

[ProtonDecay]

Definitely in for one.

[RealLaugh]

I'm in for at least one but maybe I'll pick up 2 for old times sake.

[SBJ]

Damn, contemplating picking this one up.
I don't know if it'll fit the KDB8X though.

[E3E]

hiney, the another gap is mx & alps compatibility

Seconded. This would PCB would be absolutely killer with dual MXAlps compatibility.

[mech0nly]

hiney, the another gap is mx & alps compatibility

Seconded. This would PCB would be absolutely killer with dual MXAlps compatibility.

The first, possibly one and only

[hineybush]

K I'll add it

[ProtonDecay]

I feel like you'll get a ton of orders (>100) if you can make it compatible with off-the-shelf cases and can do the volume, will you have them built for you by a third party?

[redbanshee]

Damn, contemplating picking this one up.
I don't know if it'll fit the KDB8X though.

unfortunately the kbd8x has the USB port on the bottom of the pcb, so this wont work with it 

[phorx]

I’m interested to know how well this PCB fits in a Mech27/v2

[hineybush]

I’m interested to know how well this PCB fits in a Mech27/v2

i used that pcb as my physical design reference. so pretty well hopefully

[loud_asian]

Any chance of adding lock light indicators between ESC and F1?

[hineybush]

Any chance of adding lock light indicators between ESC and F1?

Probably not, I've included in-switch ones

[hineybush]

K I'll add it

jk

After talking to some other PCB makers, decided not to do alps. it messes with some of the footprint spacing, etc.

Will do an alps version soon after this one

[LifeZ]

oh~~~~h nice.

[mech0nly]

K I'll add it

jk

After talking to some other PCB makers, decided not to do alps. it messes with some of the footprint spacing, etc.

Will do an alps version soon after this one

No problem, sign me in for one each

[OracleKev]

Switch is not flipped--great.  Alps combo support would be really nice.  Draught there.
PCB I can buy off Taobao has switch flipped.  AEK bottom row in addition to WKL, WK pls...

Just curious, what kind of direct to PCB connector do you use in case firmware is blown?

[hineybush]

Switch is not flipped--great.  Alps combo support would be really nice.  Draught there.
PCB I can buy off Taobao has switch flipped.  AEK bottom row in addition to WKL, WK pls...

Just curious, what kind of direct to PCB connector do you use in case firmware is blown?

I'm hoping that doesn't happen since it's QMK and the bootloader is pretty robust. However I can add SPI pins.

[hineybush]

Updates done/todo to Rev. 1 (prototype) to reach Rev. 2 (production version)

Bold needs to be done

• Snap-off USB connector for daughterboard users
• Re-added in-switch LED resistors for production
• Add bottom border to spacebar area for stabs
• Retooled some footprints for cleanliness/aesthetic
• Add SPI pins
• Add internal mount holes (same as b.87)

To do for Rev. 3 (or a renamed version)

• Alps/MX hybrid switch footprints

h87b

• Inverted spacebar stabilizer to match b.87

The QMK repo for h87a can be found here. It is also merged with the main QMK repo, and should be on the QMK Configurator.

 

[RealLaugh]

Updates done/todo to Rev. 1 (prototype) to reach Rev. 2 (production version)

Bold needs to be done

• Snap-off USB connector for daughterboard users
• Re-added in-switch LED resistors for production
• Add bottom border to spacebar area for stabs
• Retooled some footprints for cleanliness/aesthetic
• Add SPI pins
• Add internal mount holes (same as b.87)

To do for Rev. 3 (or a renamed version)

• Alps/MX hybrid switch footprints

h87b

• Inverted spacebar stabilizer to match b.87

The QMK repo for h87a can be found here. It is also merged with the main QMK repo, and should be on the QMK Configurator.

what does this all mean in terms of GB dates?

I think I would pick up 1 v2 (or v1) and 1 v3 for that sweet ALPS compatibility

[hineybush]

Rev 2 (next version) will be up for GB in the next 3-4 weeks.

Rev 3 will be hopefully right after that GB closes

[forevermadrigal]

:partyparrot:

[bciamny]

Rev 2 (next version) will be up for GB in the next 3-4 weeks.

Rev 3 will be hopefully right after that GB closes

nice, i was just about to ask this too. i think i need to pick up two of these... do you know if this can be used to sub for a tx87 board? my prior pcb died and i'd rather get one with qmk/hiney design.

[hineybush]

nice, i was just about to ask this too. i think i need to pick up two of these... do you know if this can be used to sub for a tx87 board? my prior pcb died and i'd rather get one with qmk/hiney design.

I'd assume so? I'm not 100% sure on that but I can check with some people I know to verify.

[LightningXI]

Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?



Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

[hineybush]

Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?



Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

Correct. a.87 stabilizers and USB port placement, b.87 size. I'm unsure of the compatibility off of the top of my head, but there's a relatively complete spreadsheet going around that has most stabilizer/USB port info.

[LightningXI]

Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?



Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

Correct. a.87 stabilizers and USB port placement, b.87 size. I'm unsure of the compatibility off of the top of my head, but there's a relatively complete spreadsheet going around that has most stabilizer/USB port info.

Yeah there's a thread for it.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0

So I just need to look for something that's the same as the Mech27?

(Edit, I just read OP again)

Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

[hineybush]

Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?



Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

Correct. a.87 stabilizers and USB port placement, b.87 size. I'm unsure of the compatibility off of the top of my head, but there's a relatively complete spreadsheet going around that has most stabilizer/USB port info.

Yeah there's a thread for it.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0

So I just need to look for something that's the same as the Mech27?

(Edit, I just read OP again)

Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

Ahh yes that's the one I was talking about, redbanshee set it up. And yes, this PCB was based on the Mech27 PCB so that'd be its closest relative.

[redbanshee]

Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?



Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

Correct. a.87 stabilizers and USB port placement, b.87 size. I'm unsure of the compatibility off of the top of my head, but there's a relatively complete spreadsheet going around that has most stabilizer/USB port info.

Yeah there's a thread for it.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0

So I just need to look for something that's the same as the Mech27?

(Edit, I just read OP again)

Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

Ahh yes that's the one I was talking about, redbanshee set it up. And yes, this PCB was based on the Mech27 PCB so that'd be its closest relative.

yea i added a column for H.87a, all theoretical fits tho but based on the footprint and usb placement H.87a should fit a ton of cases

[hineybush]

Added some stuff to the feature list in the OP.

[Rubbermilitia]

In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...

[redbanshee]

In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...

It wont fit Mars 8.0 sorry    the proprietary mars pcb has a really long usb "neck", seen here: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180424/cf17c7b45d58f5d0dbfb14c264b167c6.jpg

[Rubbermilitia]

In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...

It wont fit Mars 8.0 sorry    the proprietary mars pcb has a really long usb "neck", seen here: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180424/cf17c7b45d58f5d0dbfb14c264b167c6.jpg

Ugh that's exactly the issue I thought it might have ;(

Should update the spreadsheet

[redbanshee]

In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...

It wont fit Mars 8.0 sorry    the proprietary mars pcb has a really long usb "neck", seen here: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180424/cf17c7b45d58f5d0dbfb14c264b167c6.jpg

Ugh that's exactly the issue I thought it might have ;(

Should update the spreadsheet

If you scroll down to the "TKL Cases packaged with Custom PCB's" section you will see Mars 8.0 is included.

The spreadsheet is for a.87 compatible cases mostly, witch Mars 8.0 isnt unfortunately 

[hineybush]

RFQ for PCB fab + assembly submitted

Finishing up the protos this week, goal is to ship them next Monday July 30

[redbanshee]

In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...

Now that i think about it, technically you may be able to use h.87a with Mars 8.0 but you would have to remove the usb port and then solder the usb wire directly to the pcb... depending on the clearances inside the mars8.0 case it could work.

[Remsky]

In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...

Now that i think about it, technically you may be able to use h.87a with Mars 8.0 but you would have to remove the usb port and then solder the usb wire directly to the pcb... depending on the clearances inside the mars8.0 case it could work.

Could also put in the cable before assembling the bottom case, depends on the cable dimensions tho

[hineybush]

In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...

Now that i think about it, technically you may be able to use h.87a with Mars 8.0 but you would have to remove the usb port and then solder the usb wire directly to the pcb... depending on the clearances inside the mars8.0 case it could work.

The PCB will have a removable/snap-off USB port, so this is totally doable

[hineybush]

Pricing in, safe to say we can def hit the $45 mark starting at 50 total orders. There will likely be a drop to $40 per at 200 total, but that's not set in stone yet.

[Captain Shwah]

Pricing in, safe to say we can def hit the $45 mark starting at 50 total orders. There will likely be a drop to $40 per at 200 total, but that's not set in stone yet.

That's awesome to hear. I'll definitely pick up a few at that price 

[SolidCactus]

Awesome! I think I would be in for a few at that price point.

[Captainbuttmonkey]

In, I believe I'm correct in thinking this will be compatible with a Mira?

[Pendylan]

I'm in.  I'll most likely pick up 2, will try to use it in The Moon.

[bciamny]

i think i'm in for two as well.

[Chimera]

In, I believe I'm correct in thinking this will be compatible with a Mira?

I'm in for one for my Mira as well, It's B for Mira iirc, can anyone confirm?

[ns90]

I believe it should fit the Mira. That's why I'm interested

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

[LifeZ]

I think there is one problem.
It seems that the fixation of the space bar stabilizer is unstable.

[hineybush]

I think there is one problem.
It seems that the fixation of the space bar stabilizer is unstable.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks, that will be fixed on the production version.

[bciamny]

I think there is one problem.
It seems that the fixation of the space bar stabilizer is unstable.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks, that will be fixed on the production version.

Show Image

that solution is quite similar to the l3 tkl boards. it seems that south facing spacebars may require it for stability.

[hineybush]

Yeah the Mech27 one is the same way. Keep in mind I'll be doing an h87b version in the future too, with the spacebar stab oriented the other way.

[Puddsy]

I think there is one problem.
It seems that the fixation of the space bar stabilizer is unstable.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks, that will be fixed on the production version.

Show Image

that solution is quite similar to the l3 tkl boards. it seems that south facing spacebars may require it for stability.

well, you can't screw in the stab all the way if you don't have that, so yes

[hineybush]

Yeah dw the production version has the full stab coverage lol

Prototype h87a assembled in an acrylic unicorn:









Thanks to invisibiliti

[dyka.tran]

Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much 

[hineybush]

Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much 

Where are you at in the world?

Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.

[dyka.tran]

Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much 

Where are you at in the world?

Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.

Vietnam to be precise.

[hineybush]

Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much 

Where are you at in the world?

Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.

Vietnam to be precise.

Cool. My friend in Indonesia is interested in doing proxying for SEA, so it's very possible.

[dyka.tran]

Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much 

Where are you at in the world?

Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.

Vietnam to be precise.

Cool. My friend in Indonesia is interested in doing proxying for SEA, so it's very possible.

Cool x2, then maybe I will get x2 PCBs    So when will you launch GB?

[hineybush]

Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much 

Where are you at in the world?

Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.

Vietnam to be precise.

Cool. My friend in Indonesia is interested in doing proxying for SEA, so it's very possible.

Cool x2, then maybe I will get x2 PCBs    So when will you launch GB?

Aiming for 2-3 weeks. I have to change the diode footprints a little bit, and switch to a different package (SOD-323 is too difficult to repair/reflow if necessary, imo) so a little bit of tweaking there has to be done. Once that's finished, I have to order some assembled prototypes to verify the factory's processes and then we'll be good to go.

[odd]

I would def be down for a couple of these

[ozan6661]

im ready to be proxy for people south east asia & asia don't worry 

[iNViSiBiLiTi]

prototype pcb received. 

went in my Acrylic Unicorn as commissioned 

[hineybush]

product page is up, buy TBD: http://shop.hineybush.com/product/h87a

Currently waiting for funds to order a run of 10 assembled prototypes of the final version. Once those are verified good to go, the buy will start.

Timeline for start is about 2 weeks from now

[wholypantalones]

product page is up, buy TBD: http://shop.hineybush.com/product/h87a

Currently waiting for funds to order a run of 10 assembled prototypes of the final version. Once those are verified good to go, the buy will start.

Timeline for start is about 2 weeks from now

Nice, will be in for a couple or more of these.

[dyka.tran]

product page is up, buy TBD: http://shop.hineybush.com/product/h87a

Currently waiting for funds to order a run of 10 assembled prototypes of the final version. Once those are verified good to go, the buy will start.

Timeline for start is about 2 weeks from now

Awesome man, please remember to establish an Asian proxy 

[ProtonDecay]

I'm re-reading the thread with respect to case compatibility, and am wondering: why can't there be multiple USB pads and sets of mounting holes, the same way as there are multiple overlapped pads for switches?

[hineybush]

I'm re-reading the thread with respect to case compatibility, and am wondering: why can't there be multiple USB pads and sets of mounting holes, the same way as there are multiple overlapped pads for switches?

Mount holes aren't super important, as barely any cases this would even fit use them. I've based the current ones off of the b.87.

Multiple USB ports could definitely work, I might have to do that for the future. There are already pads to solder to as well, so a daughterboard can be easily used. I have to double check the pin spacing on the footprint and update the product description with that, iirc it's set up to use a variant of JST

[ProtonDecay]

I'm re-reading the thread with respect to case compatibility, and am wondering: why can't there be multiple USB pads and sets of mounting holes, the same way as there are multiple overlapped pads for switches?

Mount holes aren't super important, as barely any cases this would even fit use them. I've based the current ones off of the b.87.

Multiple USB ports could definitely work, I might have to do that for the future. There are already pads to solder to as well, so a daughterboard can be easily used. I have to double check the pin spacing on the footprint and update the product description with that, iirc it's set up to use a variant of JST

Aaahh, footprints is the term I meant to use. Designing with footprints at all of the most common USB port locations and shipping with a loose port or two.

[hineybush]

I'm re-reading the thread with respect to case compatibility, and am wondering: why can't there be multiple USB pads and sets of mounting holes, the same way as there are multiple overlapped pads for switches?

Mount holes aren't super important, as barely any cases this would even fit use them. I've based the current ones off of the b.87.

Multiple USB ports could definitely work, I might have to do that for the future. There are already pads to solder to as well, so a daughterboard can be easily used. I have to double check the pin spacing on the footprint and update the product description with that, iirc it's set up to use a variant of JST

Aaahh, footprints is the term I meant to use. Designing with footprints at all of the most common USB port locations and shipping with a loose port or two.

Might work, perhaps in the future

[hineybush]

production samples ordered

PCB confirmed to fit TX84, Mira and Keycult No.1

[bciamny]

nice. my mira is sitting out atm because of a faulty pcb. this can't come soon enough

[gt1989]

production samples ordered

PCB confirmed to fit TX84, Mira and Keycult No.1

Great news about the no. 1, planning on getting 2 pcbs.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

[hineybush]

ETA for the prototypes to get to me is ~3 weeks

[dyka.tran]

ETA for the prototypes to get to me is ~3 weeks

A (kinda) noob question: How thick is the mini-USB port?

[hineybush]

in which direction?

[dyka.tran]

in which direction?

I'm planning for a aluminum plate, but the maximum thickness of its is only 1.5mm, so may I have to make a gap on top housing to fit the usb port?

[hineybush]

in which direction?

I'm planning for a aluminum plate, but the maximum thickness of its is only 1.5mm, so may I have to make a gap on top housing to fit the usb port?

Ahh yeah. That's a common thing on plates for A.87 PCBs.

[hineybush]

Should have the production samples in the next 7-10 days. Will verify and open the GB then if they're good

[dyka.tran]

Should have the production samples in the next 7-10 days. Will verify and open the GB then if they're good

Are you still planning to establish an Asian proxy?

[hineybush]

Yes, a friend in indonesia will be proxying

[dyka.tran]

Yes, a friend in indonesia will be proxying

Aww yiss! I still have to find a decent case for it though 

[Artemie]

Can't wait.

[hineybush]

pic from the manufacturer. the 10 protos are being sent to me today/tomorrow.

[wholypantalones]

What are we thinking on turn around on these in a gb? I definitely need a few of these.

[hineybush]

What are we thinking on turn around on these in a gb? I definitely need a few of these.

GB will be open for like 3 weeks, I was told it'd be 3-4 weeks turnaround from the manufacturer, then 1 week for shipping to me then 1-2 weeks fulfillment.

[dyka.tran]

Show Image

pic from the manufacturer. the 10 protos are being sent to me today/tomorrow.

Look awesome

[gt1989]

Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?

[tomu]

Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?

MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.

Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk

[hineybush]

Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?

MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.

Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk

Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol

[wholypantalones]

Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?

MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.

Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk

Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol

I think you're underestimating the need for these on the market.

[gt1989]

Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?

MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.

Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk

Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol

Okay, that's good to hear because I was planning on picking up at least 2.

[hineybush]

Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?

MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.

Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk

Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol

I think you're underestimating the need for these on the market.

Not a bad thing on my end. We'll see how many end up getting ordered, I'll gladly supply as many as needed however hopefully everyone understands the more volume, the slower everything will move. I'm a one man show but I'd obviously get everything out as soon as I can.

[wholypantalones]

Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?

MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.

Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk

Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol

I think you're underestimating the need for these on the market.

Not a bad thing on my end. We'll see how many end up getting ordered, I'll gladly supply as many as needed however hopefully everyone understands the more volume, the slower everything will move. I'm a one man show but I'd obviously get everything out as soon as I can.

Completely understandable. No more waiting on leeku just to have him ghost you or or buying from kin and pay $50 shipping..

[get_weird]

Any ETA on when this group buy will open? I have a mech27 whose pcb needs replacing

[hineybush]

My prototypes will be arriving today. Assuming all is good with them, I'll be opening the buy likely Wednesday (Sep. 12)

[hineybush]

Protos are good beyond small silk issues (the USB solder pads labels are in the old location). GB opens Wednesday.

[wholypantalones]

Nice.

[vegs]

Nice, glad to hear. I will definitely be picking one up.

[longnt]

I need this <3

[hineybush]

Live at https://shop.hineybush.com/product/h87a-gb

Waiting for the GB thread to be approved, submitted it yesterday

[wholypantalones]

For the compatibility chart listed on the group buy page, if it fits a TX84/TX87 it will fit the TX84se. I have all three if we need some sort of confirmation.

[hineybush]

For the compatibility chart listed on the group buy page, if it fits a TX84/TX87 it will fit the TX84se. I have all three if we need some sort of confirmation.

Fantastic, thanks. Will update.

[typischt]

Nice, just ordered two! Looking forward to them!

[donut_sauce]

aack are the preorder ones already all sold out?

[hineybush]

Preorders are not available yet - I'm waiting until tomorrow when my bank can confirm the wire transfer with me.

[hineybush]

[Puddsy]

Show Image

he's alps

[loud_asian]

Show Image

yey

[mech0nly]

Show Image

ok this is insane

[distracteddev]

Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work...  )

[hineybush]

Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work...  )

There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.

[dyka.tran]

Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work...  )

There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.

I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?

[forevermadrigal]

Alps pcb sounds like a godsend, gj

[hineybush]

Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work...  )

There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.

I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?

This is definitely something I'd like to try and accomplish.

[theillumedpanda]

Alps support would be really cool. I think I‘ll postpone my Alps build until I get QMK-powered PCB in. Do you have a newsletter?

[hineybush]

Alps support would be really cool. I think I‘ll postpone my Alps build until I get QMK-powered PCB in. Do you have a newsletter?

Nope. Typically I'll just update stuff here as I do it. You can also join my discord for teasers/updates: https://discord.gg/v8DCE7G

[dario]

I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps

Any estimates on when could this happen?

[hineybush]

I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps

Show Image

Any estimates on when could this happen?

Gotta talk to a few colleagues but ideally sooner rather than later


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Puddsy]

Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work...  )

There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.

I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?

hate to be the bearer of bad news but L3-style PCBs like this don't really work with duck orion cases or kbd8x cases

unless you want to get the dremel out

[hineybush]

Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work...  )

There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.

I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?

hate to be the bearer of bad news but L3-style PCBs like this don't really work with duck orion cases or kbd8x cases

unless you want to get the dremel out

The PCB fits in the Orion, Nathan Kim confirmed it. As far as the LEDs go, I'll do my best to add them in "proper" spots.

This PCB does not fit the KBD8x though - the USB port is on the other side (bottom) of the PCB

[wholypantalones]

Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work...  )

There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.

I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?

hate to be the bearer of bad news but L3-style PCBs like this don't really work with duck orion cases or kbd8x cases

unless you want to get the dremel out

I rebuilt a duck unicorn with a Leeku 87 PCB.

[Puddsy]

which version orion/unicorn

although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb

[redbanshee]

which version orion/unicorn

although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb

Puddsy, you have proven in the past that your "advice" about tkl pcbs is wrong 99% of the time, so why dont you stop giving useless, wrong information?

[hineybush]

which version orion/unicorn

although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb

ones that take a normal a.87 PCB

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fZ8FtTGDl222hXnomQJgKmwRnWvg2VuoJ-GeAafVTLc/edit?usp=sharing

the outline of the h87a is the same as the jane v2 outline, which to my knowledge is the "slimmest" a.87 layout PCB

[Puddsy]

which version orion/unicorn

although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb

ones that take a normal a.87 PCB

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fZ8FtTGDl222hXnomQJgKmwRnWvg2VuoJ-GeAafVTLc/edit?usp=sharing

the outline of the h87a is the same as the jane v2 outline, which to my knowledge is the "slimmest" a.87 layout PCB

this correct

[wholypantalones]

which version orion/unicorn

although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb

V3, not acrylic. Should be the exact same size as an Orion and an X legend. Leeku Alps 87 pcbs fit as well with a little bottom pcb lip removal.

[dario]

I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps

Show Image

Any estimates on when could this happen?

Gotta talk to a few colleagues but ideally sooner rather than later

You'll probably say "no", but I have to try: will you ever make an ALPS PCB for your Hineybush 1800 keyboard?

[hineybush]

You'll probably say "no", but I have to try: will you ever make an ALPS PCB for your Hineybish 1800 keyboard?

Yes! not sure if it'll be a standard option, but I'd like to at least do a real small run (10ish?) because I'd love to make one for myself with Browns or Salmons.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[dario]

You'll probably say "no", but I have to try: will you ever make an ALPS PCB for your Hineybish 1800 keyboard?

Yes! not sure if it'll be a standard option, but I'd like to at least do a real small run (10ish?) because I'd love to make one for myself with Browns or Salmons.

Dear God, this is the best news I have heard in a long time!

Please make it QMK, USB-C, black solder mask (not really necessary but nice) and we'll call it endgame.

[hineybush]

You'll probably say "no", but I have to try: will you ever make an ALPS PCB for your Hineybish 1800 keyboard?

Yes! not sure if it'll be a standard option, but I'd like to at least do a real small run (10ish?) because I'd love to make one for myself with Browns or Salmons.

Dear God, this is the best news I have heard in a long time!

Please make it QMK, USB-C, black solder mask (not really necessary but nice) and we'll call it endgame.

It'd def be type C and QMK, not sure about black yet.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[dario]

Anyway, if there's anyone like me who's planning to use ALPS on 1800 keyboard, there's a vintage keyboard with blue ALPS switches for sale on eBay right now for only ~200 bucks. Those switches are completely new and used, which is incredible, this keyboard is a real jewel and believe me, you find find something like this again anytime soon in your lifetime.

The only reason I'm saying this here and not buying it myself is because I don't have enough money ATM. So incredibly frustrating, I feel like stabbing myself to death.

[Windeh]

If I can get in on the hbcp GB I'd definitely want an Alps PCB!

[hineybush]

I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD

[phatty]

yep, keen

[pr0ximity]

wew flex version, gonna need another partial plate

[gabbbe]

I'm very excited for the alps version!

[Zambumon]

I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD

Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?

[hineybush]

I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD

Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?

oh yea this was delayed til a few weeks from now, after CNY

no flex cuts


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Zambumon]

I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD

Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?

oh yea this was delayed til a few weeks from now, after CNY

no flex cuts


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

nice

Do people need to add washers to the hook side of the stabs to compensate for those extra 0.4mm?

[hineybush]

I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD

Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?

oh yea this was delayed til a few weeks from now, after CNY

no flex cuts


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

nice

Do people need to add washers to the hook side of the stabs to compensate for those extra 0.4mm?

Working on something special for that

[Zambumon]

I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD

Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?

oh yea this was delayed til a few weeks from now, after CNY

no flex cuts


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

nice

Do people need to add washers to the hook side of the stabs to compensate for those extra 0.4mm?

Working on something special for that

nice

[hineybush]

hi, bringing this back up

working on a catalog of the PCBs i have, and h87a is included obviously https://docs.google.com/document/d/10nLrZIm_f931-tRibbKhoCvMC9WgixuB58XC4Huam7k/edit?usp=sharing

also consider this the update for interest in the new h87a version which I will be buying outright and opening for pre-orders once I verify the prototype (should happen in the next week or two)

big changes here:

JST SH connector support for the USB lines as well as an RGB header - I'm considering adding an option to this for me to solder a connector on before shipping (would be like +$3)
RGB header has a passthrough for a front-facing RGB strip/bar (working on developing a bar atm) for boards with stuff between the arrows and nav keys
A small bypass for said RGB header, so you can do either normal underglow or the front strip (both is also possibly in the works, need to review that)
More robust removable spacebar mounts on the bottom
Removed the dedicated reset pins to short, now added into the ISP header (since the signals exist there anyway lol)
South facing right shift stab mounting only
Better labling for the jumpers for Caps/Scroll LED vs. having that LED part of the regular in-switch LEDs



I am considering removing the universal north/south spacebar mounts, I think north-facing only would be better (plates are easy to modify) but i'd love to hear feedback on this

[Krelbit]

i love hineybus

[redbanshee]

I am considering removing the universal north/south spacebar mounts, I think north-facing only would be better (plates are easy to modify) but i'd love to hear feedback on this

This is one of the main features! Tons of boards are south only, Duck, LZ, OTD, etc etc the list goes on and on! South stabs are MUCH less rattly! If your going for compatibility, it would be pretty counter-productive to do north only.

Whats the reasoning with going north only?

[hineybush]

I am considering removing the universal north/south spacebar mounts, I think north-facing only would be better (plates are easy to modify) but i'd love to hear feedback on this

This is one of the main features! Tons of boards are south only, Duck, LZ, OTD, etc etc the list goes on and on! South stabs are MUCH less rattly! If your going for compatibility, it would be pretty counter-productive to do north only.

Whats the reasoning with going north only?

hmm idk, i just sort of prefer it. I can certainly leave it in, wouldn't be a bad thing

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

As someone relatively new to customs, a lotta established boards will take this pcb and those of us who bought second (or third, fourth hand) only have one desoldered pcb with which to work may not have other backups. Having compatibility might be nice. Especially for Elli’s Love TKL where a few of us bought with the idea we’d get a PCB from your next run.
I defer to experts about build quality and PCB design.

[im_hide]

I too agree that having the option of north/south stabs is the right way to go. My first impression of the h87a was that it was the "go-to" TKL pcb. The one that does it everything you need it to without compromising. I think removing features just based on personal preference kinda kills a lot of what draws me to this PCB.

[mech0nly]

Yes please. Need a thinboi for my halfplate LZ-CLS build.
In addition, I'd be extremely happy if the PCB using CEM3 material instead of FR4 for extra elasticity (yep I already checked material tables), just like OTD PCBs

Thank you very much hiney!

[hineybush]

Yes please. Need a thinboi for my halfplate LZ-CLS build.
In addition, I'd be extremely happy if the PCB using CEM3 material instead of FR4 for extra elasticity (yep I already checked material tables), just like OTD PCBs

Thank you very much hiney!

I'll look into that, I've been meaning to!

[Yeoh]

the option for north/south facing spacebar stab is a big draw to the pcb imo

[Fnzzy]

Big supporter of south facing spacebar stab here. Having north facing as an additional option is just a bonus.

Would be very hesitant to buy a north facing only PCB to be honest.

[alkaiser]

South facing please!

[LightningXI]

Big supporter of south facing spacebar stab here. Having north facing as an additional option is just a bonus.

Would be very hesitant to buy a north facing only PCB to be honest.

+1 for south facing because swapping wires is so much easier if there's an issue.

Though I know compatibility is a thing.

[wholypantalones]

+1 for leaving it north / south spacebar. One of the many draws of this pcb is the options.

[GraffitiDecos]

+1 for leaving it north / south spacebar. One of the many draws of this pcb is the options.

Can someone enlighten me as to what the difference is for between north and south fitment? Is it a case thing? plate thing? Forgive my ignorance on the subject.

[LightningXI]

+1 for leaving it north / south spacebar. One of the many draws of this pcb is the options.

Can someone enlighten me as to what the difference is for between north and south fitment? Is it a case thing? plate thing? Forgive my ignorance on the subject.

It's a plate and PCB thing. One can orient the spacebar stabilizer wire to face in either up (north) or down (south) direction. Boards have one or the other.

[jedidood]

Has this became the past? I missed it?

[hineybush]

Has this became the past? I missed it?

Shipping the rest of the pre orders through the week. the rest will be up afterwards. check here or join my discord (discord.hiney.cc) for updates

[jedidood]

Has this became the past? I missed it?

Shipping the rest of the pre orders through the week. the rest will be up afterwards. check here or join my discord (discord.hiney.cc) for updates

Thanks!