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Offline PlastikSchnittstelle

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #200 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:35:21 »
SKB2 75% layout

I have put together a simple google form to check what kind of 75% layout you would prefer to see for the SKB2 version.
Probably not all mentioned versions would be possible to realize, but anyway, good to know and multivote is possibel.
So to those who are interested in SKB2 and 75%, please fill out the form:

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #201 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:38:19 »
Just FYI on the Google form, version C & D function rows are wrongly separated, I think?

Should be F4 <break> F5, right?

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #202 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:41:47 »
it does not HAVE to be like that but it is usually done with the seperation between F4/F5 and F8/F9, yes. I would say this detail does not matter for this vote. it is just for me to get directions where to steer this.

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ok, I quickly added the separation to version D, thanks' for mentioning.

EDIT2:
oh, now I get what you mean regarding version C, yes, that was a mistake. I corrected that as well, thanks again ;)
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #203 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:47:23 »
SKB2 75% layout

I have put together a simple google form to check what kind of 75% layout you would prefer to see for the SKB2 version.
Probably not all mentioned versions would be possible to realize, but anyway, good to know and multivote is possibel.
So to those who are interested in SKB2 and 75%, please fill out the form:

KLICK

Would it be possible to do a poll on TKL layouts as well? Wanted to bring up the possibility of the h88 again as they're regularly scheduled for preorder and we could get that sweet F13 action. 1800 format also looks dope btw.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #204 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:53:22 »
SKB2 75% layout

I have put together a simple google form to check what kind of 75% layout you would prefer to see for the SKB2 version.
Probably not all mentioned versions would be possible to realize, but anyway, good to know and multivote is possibel.
So to those who are interested in SKB2 and 75%, please fill out the form:

KLICK

The F-row in D layout: should be in 4, 4, & 4 cluster I believe?

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #205 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:55:37 »
Will fullsize be an option? Would love to get one if beige is an option. Can use null-src's Filco-compatible PCB: https://null-src.com/store/listings/nkbm-st110r2-pcb/product.php

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #206 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 09:05:35 »
Would it be possible to do a poll on TKL layouts as well? Wanted to bring up the possibility of the h88 again as they're regularly scheduled for preorder and we could get that sweet F13 action. 1800 format also looks dope btw.

poll for TKL? are there more layouts than standard/WKL x ANSI/ISO ?

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« Reply #207 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 09:13:34 »
Would it be possible to do a poll on TKL layouts as well? Wanted to bring up the possibility of the h88 again as they're regularly scheduled for preorder and we could get that sweet F13 action. 1800 format also looks dope btw.

poll for TKL? are there more layouts than standard/WKL x ANSI/ISO ?

Yessirrr. H87 is definitely the standard go-to, but Hineybush has been actively producing the PCBs for the Jane V2 CE which has the F13 key. Link - https://hineybush.com/collections/all-products/products/h88?variant=31083606769766

This layout would be an insta insta cop for me.  :cool:

Edit - He also has his PCB model files public and I'd be more than happy to provide a cut file if I'm the only weirdo vying for this option.
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« Reply #208 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 10:44:04 »
Missed out on SKB1, but then SKB2 looks more incredible !! Hoping to get into GB soon hehehehe

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« Reply #209 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 11:08:03 »
I like the F13 style TKLs.

PS: Regarding the 75, my one request would be to allow for winkey blockers on the option(s) chosen if we want them.

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« Reply #210 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 11:46:13 »
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D


Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:

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« Reply #211 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 14:02:08 »
I would love to see a 75% version as an option  ;D

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« Reply #212 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 14:43:53 »
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D

Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:

looks like that F13 got popular quite quickly  :D

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« Reply #213 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 14:55:14 »
PS: Regarding the 75, my one request would be to allow for winkey blockers on the option(s) chosen if we want them.

WKL blockers would depend on the case. with the 75% google-form, I only want to get an idea which PCB might be the best option for most of you. any of the options there, may or may not come with or without WKL blockers. same with ANSI/ISO or different bottom row options. that's not what this form wants to check for. just what PCB might be the most popular to be housed by an SKB2-75.

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« Reply #214 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 15:06:51 »
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D

Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:

looks like that F13 got popular quite quickly  :D

Let's make it hap'n cap'n.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #215 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 15:10:07 »
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D

Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:

looks like that F13 got popular quite quickly  :D

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« Reply #216 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 15:51:58 »
PS: Regarding the 75, my one request would be to allow for winkey blockers on the option(s) chosen if we want them.

WKL blockers would depend on the case. with the 75% google-form, I only want to get an idea which PCB might be the best option for most of you. any of the options there, may or may not come with or without WKL blockers. same with ANSI/ISO or different bottom row options. that's not what this form wants to check for. just what PCB might be the most popular to be housed by an SKB2-75.

Yea makes perfect sense, I just thought I'd mention it regardless of the form because it's something I feel quite strongly about.

Very exciting!

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« Reply #217 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 16:35:03 »
Good to see that 75% is getting love and traction here  ;D

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #218 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 19:00:44 »
SKB2 75% based on votes

OKAY, clear favorite so far for a 75% is version D. a PCB for this versions does not exist so far, afaik. had no time for renderings, this is a simpler visualization, but should be ok for a first impression. the partly blocked nav column was just a quick idea. 12 degree angle. added the new F13, which has so many friends here. case color is RAL9002 again. cap set is from an old IC for an MOD kit that never happened, but will maybe find the time to pick it up again.

229936-0 229938-1 229940-2

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« Reply #219 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 19:24:22 »
SKB2 75% based on votes

OKAY, clear favorite so far for a 75% is version D. a PCB for this versions does not exist so far, afaik. had no time for renderings, this is a simpler visualization, but should be ok for a first impression. the partly blocked nav column was just a quick idea. 12 degree angle. added the new F13, which has so many friends here. case color is RAL9002 again. cap set is from an old IC for an MOD kit that never happened, but will maybe find the time to pick it up again.

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Is the layout for D final? I was hoping that the space between Esc and F1 is reduced from .5u to .25u so that there is a .25u space between F12 and F13

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« Reply #220 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:02:02 »
final?! nooo, like I said, not even a PCB for this exists. getting it made is not out of question, though. but we need to wait for more votes on 75%. yes, I initially had the 0.25U space between Esc / F1 and F13 as orphan. but then felt sorry for the lonely F13 and grouped it to the F-cluster before it, that's why  Esc / F1 got the 0.5U space. but the other way might be better.

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[IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #221 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:56:04 »
May I ask what's so hot with F13? Excuse the ignorance, but I don't understand its use/value.


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« Reply #222 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:14:27 »
May I ask what's so hot with F13? Excuse the ignorance, but I don't understand its use/value.


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Not sure if this will answer your question, but I don't use it as an F13 key. I map it as a Print Screen.

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« Reply #223 on: Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:28:12 »
May I ask what's so hot with F13? Excuse the ignorance, but I don't understand its use/value.


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« Reply #224 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 01:39:54 »
Is it possible for a 65% with only the small blocker beside the arrowkeys? (No blocker beside the main cluster)

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« Reply #225 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 03:31:35 »
oh that was a short poll! read it yesterday but was planning to reply today. I have a strong preference for the last layout (70%) because it would look aesthetic af with the exposed screws, which like with your prototype in the OP would be symmetrically aligned with the keys. on the bottom with the 7u spacebar and on the top with the spacing between the F keys. aesthetically speaking it's the best choice imo!

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« Reply #226 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 21:40:00 »
SKB2 75% based on votes

OKAY, clear favorite so far for a 75% is version D. a PCB for this versions does not exist so far, afaik. had no time for renderings, this is a simpler visualization, but should be ok for a first impression. the partly blocked nav column was just a quick idea. 12 degree angle. added the new F13, which has so many friends here. case color is RAL9002 again. cap set is from an old IC for an MOD kit that never happened, but will maybe find the time to pick it up again.

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Is the layout for D final? I was hoping that the space between Esc and F1 is reduced from .5u to .25u so that there is a .25u space between F12 and F13

i'd definitely get a option "D" of a 75%. looks so good.

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« Reply #227 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 02:03:58 »
I would kill for option E without the arrows - so basically a 60 with staggered / seperated F-Row, something that seems to be almost nonexistent, which always blows my mind - would be the perfect gaming keyboard, as many games utilies F-Keys AND number keys...

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« Reply #228 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 05:50:25 »
I would kill for option E without the arrows - so basically a 60 with staggered / seperated F-Row, something that seems to be almost nonexistent, which always blows my mind - would be the perfect gaming keyboard, as many games utilies F-Keys AND number keys...
What you said makes a lot of sense, I'd prefer it with the arrows but I would also consider this. Not interested in more traditional 75%s myself.

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« Reply #229 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 10:35:27 »
1800, very few voted for it in the IC form.
but maarten does make 1800 PCBs, so it would be possible. I asked him, we could offer them along a possible SKB2-1800 version.
here you can get an idea of how it would look like:
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F YES!! :eek:

Haven't had time yet to go properly trough the thread yet..
look so F'ing dope Plastik! i sincerely love my SKB's and are still making mod's on them :)

I would take the 1800 anyday, and since i already have a 1800 PCB coming from Maarten hehehe

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« Reply #231 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 20:37:23 »
Why don't you do Hyper 7 enclosure with the H7 (173%) PCB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94495.0)? That'll be something. I can pilot USS Enterprise with it :)
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #232 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 19:35:37 »
Update, new renderings, colors:

Tried different RAL colors, not easy to find something intense that goes well with not just one particular keycap set. I tried to match RAL colors to GMK colors that are often found in colorful sets. TU2 can be found in lots of sets and RAL6027 fits quite well. I pared it with GMK Honeywell, which does not use exactly TU2 but a similar color. SKB2-75 according to what the 75%-IC-form says most of you would like. Again, the right single column nav could also go all the way down, I like it this way. Angle is at 12 degree.
So here is SKB2-75 in RAL6027/Glossy:

230104-0 230106-1 230108-2

Then I looked for an intense red. RAL3028 should go well with GMK RO1, P3, V1 and RO2 or other reds. Honeywell ist also available with red accents, so I used that again.
Here is SKB3-75 in RAL3028/Glossy:

230098-3 230100-4 230102-5

Since I didn't like the matte black finish of one of the first prototypes, I thought I might try glossy black. I think this would be very nice with a lot of sets, any WoB of course, here something that is similar to GMK Demonic. Possible SKB2-65, also 12 degree angle.
SKB2-65 in RAL9005/Glossy:

230110-6 230112-7 230114-8 230116-9

Then I redid the TKL versions. Now the function row is offset by only 0.25U like most other custom cases. In the renderings I showed before it was an offset of 0.5U like OEMs do it. Also demonstrating glossy black, this time with a classic WoB set and CMY modifier. Angle is set to 10 degree.
SKB2-TKL in RAL9005/Glossy:

230118-10 230120-11 230122-12 230124-13

Now the TKL in glossy white, should frame any intense color very well, imo. Obviously a BoW set would make very much sense.
SKB2-TKL in RAL9010/Glossy:

230126-14 230128-15 230130-16 230132-17

Continued in the next post...
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #233 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 19:40:45 »
...new renderings and colors continued:

A combination I had previously rendered, RAL9002 in fine structure combined with GMK9009 on a standard 60%. Angle is set to 8 degree.
SKB2-60 in RAL9002/Feinstruktur:

230138-0 230140-1 230142-2

Same for an HHKB version at 10 degree angle.
SKB2-60-HHKB in RAL9002/Feinstruktur:

230144-3 230146-4 230148-5

What do you think?
Next I need to decide which versions to make as next prototypes and get it done in CAD (almost!). Then decide which colors they will get.
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« Reply #235 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 20:02:25 »
YES, check out the start post, the prototype in the photos!
Also the last two shown rendered versions are also supposed to be "feinstruktur" - it's written there.
There is also a second prototype that was done in matte black, like mentioned above, here again the link.
There is no decision on colors made jet, except for RAL9002-Feuinstruktur. Three color option will probably be the max I can manage. Still just tying stuff out.
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« Reply #236 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 20:02:32 »
+1 untreated steel or clear coated.

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« Reply #237 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 20:06:10 »
+1 untreated steel or clear coated.

clear coat? if raw then stainless A2, sandblasted and uncoated ;)

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« Reply #238 on: Sat, 16 November 2019, 20:15:28 »
+1 untreated steel or clear coated.

clear coat? if raw then stainless A2, sandblasted and uncoated ;)

+1 what he said.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #239 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 05:54:27 »
I've been following this IC with a lot of joy. PlastikSchnittstell, you seems to know very well what your talking about, and the method to give us options is very solid. Thanks for sticking to your vision.

Your black glossy renders looks very nice, but subjectively seems to me more semi-gloss that really glossy (I speak from a graphic designer perspective). Which isn’t a bad thing if you don’t want to clean your case every five minutes. I guess we could speak about the glossy levels later on.

Since, I’m more used to Pantone references than RAL, could you tell us if the white is a neutral bright as it seems on the last glossy renders or warmer with a very little hint of yellow as it seemed in the prototypes original pictures? I guess it’s the latest but just want to be sure.
 
Finally about colors: your design choices don’t speak the same langage to me when it comes to the red or blue popping and glossy options. But, hey, I’m already happy with a white and black option, that let your design shines.
Imo, a saturated color would have to be in line with an industrial or Bauhaus/Modernist colors family.
It’s also the reason why stainless steal could be a very strong and uncommon option (but would raise questions on the feel and look of the case, and its way of aging.)

Pardon this long reply, I’m very digging your IC (in the case of a 1800 layout option, I could invest in a 75 and a 1800.)
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« Reply #240 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 11:59:39 »
Will you consider using other materials for the plate? Annodized aluminum would be nice.

Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #241 on: Sun, 17 November 2019, 14:56:09 »
Tried to find it, but either I didn't try hard enough, or there's really no such info: what's the size of the screws that are used to mount the plate? I guess, it's either M3 or M4?
I was thinking about using spanner head screws to achieve more industrial look.

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« Reply #242 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 00:19:50 »
This is probably an impossible dream but a color-matched pair of SKB2 & RGBKB Sol 2 (https://www.rgbkb.net/products/sol-2-bent-steel-frame?variant=29519804071997) bent steel cases would make my GMK Oblivion V2 keycaps very happy.

If worse comes to worse, I could always bead-blast the paint off and take both to a local powder coating place. Or just use spray paint.

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« Reply #243 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 10:35:20 »
**** I love the screws with the symmetry of the hhkb. super interested in this awesome project and probably going to build a boardwalk, hhkb or the 70% if it's popular enough to get made.

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« Reply #244 on: Mon, 18 November 2019, 17:23:56 »
I really like how toe RAL6027 color pops but is also muted at the same time. You've got my vote for that color. Side note, I think your images are swapped since the red renders are under the RAL6027 line and the light green renders are under the RAL3028 line.

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« Reply #245 on: Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:41:54 »
i'm sure the 75% one in white would look nice when paired with the gmk peaches and cream caps

the idea of making a keyboard that would fit 1:1 into an aliens movie set tho.. new but i like it

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« Reply #246 on: Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:46:35 »
+2 stainless A2 sandblasted. Awesome, just what i was looking for.

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« Reply #247 on: Tue, 19 November 2019, 17:24:45 »
A Black TKL, either matte or glossy, is something I'm watching very closely.

Offline ZG2047

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #248 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 00:53:48 »
Very nice

Offline Joebot_9000

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #249 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 01:08:29 »
Would kill to get a matching wristwrest