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Offline PlastikSchnittstelle

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #250 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 04:43:54 »
Your black glossy renders looks very nice, but subjectively seems to me more semi-gloss that really glossy (I speak from a graphic designer perspective).
True, compared to the glossy sample the renderings make it look less glossy. It was the best I could deliver in a certain time. At this point I won't spend more time on renderings, just getting the next round of prototypes ready - only then we can see how it really looks.

Since, I’m more used to Pantone references than RAL, could you tell us if the white is a neutral bright as it seems on the last glossy renders or warmer with a very little hint of yellow as it seemed in the prototypes original pictures? I guess it’s the latest but just want to be sure.
Pantone would be nice, but for the powder coating, RAL is my only available option. The white I used for the TKL is RAL9010, it is just slightly warm, overall you would perceive it as neutral. It should fit GMK-WS1 very well, we'll see. Here you can search RAL and Pantone colors and get the corresponding RGB values, which I use in the rendering.
The first prototype, shown in the start post / photos is a different RAL color. That is RAL9001, it is a noticeably warmer tone, the name is "cream". I want this to fit cherry classic beide caps and as it turns out it is a bit too warm for if. So that's why the next protos will also have RAL9002, called "grey white", that should fit classic beige caps better, again, we'll see.
So I'll try a glossy, bright, mostly neutral white (RAL9010) and the more towards beige RAL9002 white, not glossy but fine structure, like in the pictures of the start post.

Finally about colors: your design choices don’t speak the same langage to me when it comes to the red or blue popping and glossy options. But, hey, I’m already happy with a white and black option, that let your design shines.
Imo, a saturated color would have to be in line with an industrial or Bauhaus/Modernist colors family.
It’s also the reason why stainless steal could be a very strong and uncommon option (but would raise questions on the feel and look of the case, and its way of aging.)
more saturated colors? hmm, yes, I think you might be right.
stainless steel - next protos will be interesting :)

Pardon this long reply, I’m very digging your IC (in the case of a 1800 layout option, I could invest in a 75 and a 1800.)
No reason to pardon! I'm thankful for your contribution, it helps.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #251 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 04:44:24 »
Will you consider using other materials for the plate? Annodized aluminum would be nice.

I'm not a fan of aluminum as plate material.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #252 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 04:44:52 »
Tried to find it, but either I didn't try hard enough, or there's really no such info: what's the size of the screws that are used to mount the plate? I guess, it's either M3 or M4?
I was thinking about using spanner head screws to achieve more industrial look.

all M3

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #253 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 04:46:19 »
I really like how toe RAL6027 color pops but is also muted at the same time. You've got my vote for that color. Side note, I think your images are swapped since the red renders are under the RAL6027 line and the light green renders are under the RAL3028 line.

There will be a vote on colors. I'm pretty sure that RAL9002/Feinstruktur (to fit cherry classic beige) is definite, but for further color options, a vote will be. I just don't want the vote to be based on renderings. That's why I want to wait until I can show you more real life examples, then we can vote.
True, images were swapped, I corrected that, thanks.
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #254 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 05:43:57 »
Would kill to get a matching wristwrest

Seems like a nice idea but I can't get it:

matching wristwrest = wristwrest made of bent sheet-metal with similar color finish?
Wishlist: 1) hotswap gasket mount; 2) nice Alps blank caps; 3) Hipro Iris with adjustable tenting; 4) CNC POM case
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #255 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 13:30:52 »
Update / prototype funding:

With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:

I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.

Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL

these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800

Good plan?

Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #256 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 13:39:09 »
Pre-GB raffle? I'm all in for RAL9001 HHKB.
Just let us know, when you'll launch that Google form, so everyone would be ready and get equal chances.
« Last Edit: Thu, 21 November 2019, 13:40:47 by FearsomeCubedWarrior »

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« Reply #257 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 13:58:16 »
Good plan.

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« Reply #258 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:09:46 »
sounds good to me. heck i would even throw money at you to get one of the prototypes and pay for another board in the gb itself. if that was a possibility, or are you gonna keep them all/give them to friends?

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« Reply #259 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:15:00 »
Love the constants update! Hope to support as an early bird!

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« Reply #260 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 15:08:06 »
Just let us know, when you'll launch that Google form, so everyone would be ready and get equal chances.

If I won't be able to do it later today, then tomorrow it will be.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #261 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 15:08:59 »
sounds good to me. heck i would even throw money at you to get one of the prototypes and pay for another board in the gb itself. if that was a possibility, or are you gonna keep them all/give them to friends?

good question.
some I'll have to build for testing and take pictures to show you. others should be send out to review. but there might be some left and also I will have more builds that I can use myself. might offer them to sell or raffle later, not sure, we'll see.

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« Reply #262 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 01:32:30 »
So just to confirm - i pay 110€ now and when gb starts i choose a format factor ?

But thats the price for the case ?

What about TKL pcb, that i‘ll pay extra then ?

Thanks

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« Reply #263 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 04:01:15 »
I am in with prototype funding! Would even fund two if that's a possibility ;)

I'm all up for this, so excited to see this progress!!!

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #264 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 05:17:20 »
So just to confirm - i pay 110€ now and when gb starts i choose a format factor ?

But thats the price for the case ?

What about TKL pcb, that i‘ll pay extra then ?

Thanks

yes, when GB starts you will pic whatever size you like. if you'll choose one of the larger sizes and they end up much higher in price, then please be aware that a certain amount might still be necessary to pay. the early bird price advantage should not be more than 20%.

and, yes, just the case, the price for the PCB will then be added.
- 60% PCB option will be the Plain60
- 65% PCB option will be the TA65
- more infos regarding the TKL PCB in december

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #265 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 06:20:21 »
So just to confirm - i pay 110€ now and when gb starts i choose a format factor ?

But thats the price for the case ?

What about TKL pcb, that i‘ll pay extra then ?

Thanks

yes, when GB starts you will pic whatever size you like. if you'll choose one of the larger sizes and they end up much higher in price, then please be aware that a certain amount might still be necessary to pay. the early bird price advantage should not be more than 20%.

and, yes, just the case, the price for the PCB will then be added.
- 60% PCB option will be the Plain60
- 65% PCB option will be the TA65
- more infos regarding the TKL PCB in december

Great thanks

But Pcbs will be handled with the GB?


I‘m in :) this is such an interesting project

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #266 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 07:10:51 »
Wait, Plain60 or Plain60-C? Will the case support USB-C?

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« Reply #267 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 07:13:11 »
But Pcbs will be handled with the GB?

yes, pcbs will be available with the case. no need to get it seperately.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #268 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 07:17:22 »
Wait, Plain60 or Plain60-C? Will the case support USB-C?

oh yes, that's an important detial of course :)
the Plain60-C, the USB-C version. that's the one that will be offered along the 60% versions.
but it does not matter, you could put a different 60% PCB into the case, works with all. plug position is usually the same, so it also won't matter if the PCB has USB-mini or USB-C.

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« Reply #269 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 08:18:28 »
oh yes, that's an important detial of course :)
the Plain60-C, the USB-C version. that's the one that will be offered along the 60% versions.
but it does not matter, you could put a different 60% PCB into the case, works with all. plug position is usually the same, so it also won't matter if the PCB has USB-mini or USB-C.

I seem to recall this being addressed in an earlier page but just to be sure - the PCB for the YAS version of the 60% will be an all-new design that you're yet to gather all the details on rather than the old version that was offered with the actual YAS buy years ago (as well as the first version of your SKB) correct?

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #270 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 08:31:33 »
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.

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« Reply #271 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 10:32:28 »
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.

Good to know, YAS is on top of my preference list.

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« Reply #272 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 11:35:04 »
Update: Early Bird Form

I have the "earlybird" form ready. More infos here, just a few posts earlier.
Hopefully the 15 early birds emerge quickly. I'll close the form when 15 have filled it out, then I can also place the order for the next protos.

Link to the form:
KLICK

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #273 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 11:45:03 »
Update: Early Bird Form

I have the "earlybird" form ready. More infos here, just a few posts earlier.
Hopefully the 15 early birds emerge quickly. I'll close the form when 15 have filled it out, then I can also place the order for the next protos.

Link to the form:
KLICK

Let's goooooo

Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #274 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 11:51:02 »
Done, but why does it need Google authorization?, now I get it: so one could edit the form.
« Last Edit: Fri, 22 November 2019, 14:12:46 by FearsomeCubedWarrior »

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« Reply #275 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 12:09:53 »
in!  :thumb:

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« Reply #276 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 12:48:26 »
Update: Early Bird Form

I have the "earlybird" form ready. More infos here, just a few posts earlier.
Hopefully the 15 early birds emerge quickly. I'll close the form when 15 have filled it out, then I can also place the order for the next protos.

Link to the form:
KLICK

Done. Happy to support the project and look forward to nabbing another one or two units once the GB opens up!

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« Reply #277 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:24:33 »
Joined the early bird! Excited for the TKL  :eek:

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« Reply #278 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:33:26 »
Joined the Early Bird, happy to support this project.  :thumb:

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« Reply #279 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:44:15 »
Joined the early bird! Excited for the TKL  :eek:
+1 in for TKL

Lets go  :thumb:

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« Reply #280 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 14:07:54 »
sad I had to drop out of the first run but very excited to join the second. I need a good wkl 60% in my life ;D

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #281 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 15:12:22 »
Trapped in Fr time zone (nad lost in my job), coudn't join the 15 first. But count on me for the next round.
« Last Edit: Sat, 23 November 2019, 02:42:38 by Senor Coconut »
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #282 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 15:12:39 »
Update - early birds form closed:

I thought I might check tomorrow. just decided to take a look. already 17, I closed it.
THAT WAS QUICK!
strange - I used a plugin that should send a confirmation email and I should have gotten an email when 15 are reached. I didn't get that email oh I did get it. anyway, very good that we got there this quickly, very happy with the development.
early bird invoices tomorrow.
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« Reply #283 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 16:31:07 »
Trapped in FR time zone? Plastikschnittstelle is in the same time zone haha!

I'm in! This is my first high-end case! Right now I'm imagining a beige-ish HHKB 60% with MT3 /dev/tty keycaps that I got to experience at the meet-up I went to :D I think it would work well colour-wise! Excited for this!

Will you still guarantee a 15% price advantage if I skip shipping and pick it up in FFM?

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« Reply #284 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 16:49:29 »
Trapped in Fr time zone, coudn't join the 15 first. But count on me for the next round.

haha, I've discovered the link on my way home on subway train, but actually made it in the first 15.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #285 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 16:55:03 »
Totally missed it playing games :P anyway, would love to see tkl and 75% proto’s. Those are the ones we haven’t seen in previous rounds. Heck, maybe even compact 1800 layouts like cypher and dharma.

And yes would still like to see a different plate material, but then again plate files are available so not that hard to get a different plate made.


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« Reply #286 on: Sat, 23 November 2019, 02:08:51 »
Very interested in this project.
Would love to see 65% or TKL.


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« Reply #287 on: Sat, 23 November 2019, 06:47:33 »
These look awesome! There are two colourways I'd be particularly interested in myself: Dark grey and white. Not computer beige, but "actual" white (because white looks *AWESOME* with space cadet caps :) ).

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« Reply #288 on: Sat, 23 November 2019, 13:20:39 »
Update - early birds form closed:

I thought I might check tomorrow. just decided to take a look. already 17, I closed it.
THAT WAS QUICK!
strange - I used a plugin that should send a confirmation email and I should have gotten an email when 15 are reached. I didn't get that email oh I did get it. anyway, very good that we got there this quickly, very happy with the development.
early bird invoices tomorrow.

Do you still have a slot open for an early-ish bird? :P

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« Reply #289 on: Sat, 23 November 2019, 13:26:10 »
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« Reply #290 on: Sat, 23 November 2019, 16:31:34 »
paid the invoice, looking forward to my made-in-germany piece of aesthetic steel!

Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #291 on: Sun, 24 November 2019, 13:16:16 »
Invoice paid, now waiting begins.

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« Reply #292 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 08:47:22 »
In for tkl ;)

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« Reply #293 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 09:26:18 »
i missed a sale? reeeeeee

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« Reply #294 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 11:17:34 »
In for tkl ;)

jesus christ, a keyboard for (human) centipedes? :eek:
is this real?

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« Reply #295 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 11:38:53 »
is this real?

I don't know. Found the pic a few weeks ago without any description

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« Reply #296 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 13:08:26 »
is this real?

I don't know. Found the pic a few weeks ago without any description

It was posted as an emoji keyboard.

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« Reply #297 on: Tue, 26 November 2019, 01:28:52 »
Any chance for a more traditional 65 layout that has only the small blocker beside the arrow keys? The current 65 w/ blocker has a rather unique blocker position which may appeal to some, but I don't see how the blocker above the arrow keys serve any purpose considering there's no badge or accent to add to the aesthetics.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
« Reply #298 on: Tue, 26 November 2019, 04:36:31 »
Update / prototype funding:

With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:

I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.

Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL

these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800

Good plan?

OP had it stated clearly.

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« Reply #299 on: Tue, 03 December 2019, 09:25:38 »
I'm very interested in this keyboard, I can hardly wait for the GB will open!
It's really lucky that I was able to find such a nice IC not so long after I decided to challenge this hobby.