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Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 14:29:26 »
It's a vocal minority. For all we know making it full alpha could decrease its popularity.

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« Reply #101 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 14:51:18 »
It's a vocal minority. For all we know making it full alpha could decrease its popularity.

I don't disagree with the reasoning as far as popularity, but I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish when it's already been made repeatedly clear that the layout is no longer up for debate.

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« Reply #102 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 21:01:09 »
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.

actually the board has received an extremely warm response, with >1200 IC form responses in under 2 months, and 3 prototypes are currently under production. the layout is not changing at this point. if you want a 50%, I guess you'll have to either buy a TMO50 or wait for my next project. i hope you find what you're looking for.

Wow. If all those IC forms turn into orders your project might produce revenues in the hundred thousands range. Congratulations.

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« Reply #103 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 23:38:43 »
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

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Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.

Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

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« Reply #104 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:28:21 »
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

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because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.

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« Reply #105 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:40:21 »
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya

because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.
Awesome news. Haha. Was wondering if chocs were an option, but understand why it'd be hard with this case. Looking forward to seeing the PC option.

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« Reply #106 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 13:33:45 »
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya

because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.

Awesome stuff. I'm genuinely excited man!
Last question I got for you, is the polycarb version finale? And will we have the option to choose color combos with the Knob, or would it come as a singular kit/option?

Thanks mate  :cool:

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« Reply #107 on: Fri, 31 January 2020, 06:38:45 »
I would definitely get this if it is a 60/65% board. Hope to see a 65% ver. of this board(or a whole new one) in the future! Nevertheless, love the design and the aesthetics of this board! Awesome work! GLW this project!

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« Reply #108 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 18:20:53 »
Can't wait to see that polycarb ortho!

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« Reply #109 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 10:26:12 »
Can't wait to see that polycarb ortho!

same! still waiting for factory production to resume. i know everything has been machined, but i am waiting for anodizing and dyeing of the polycarbonate. soon(tm)!

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« Reply #110 on: Wed, 26 February 2020, 22:28:46 »
I am so hyped on these renders and that ortho layout! This board looks so good! I realize we’re still early days, but do we have any estimates for GB? Just trying to prepare my butt wallet.

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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:15:04 »
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:37:45 »
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.

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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:52:23 »
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.

That would honestly be a HUGE plus for me man, it's how I like to use my orthos <3

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« Reply #114 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:37:51 »
Did i read that right... Hotswap is no more?


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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:57:27 »
Did i read that right... Hotswap is no more?

Pretty sure that's only if you want an ortho layout. The hotswap board was always staggered.

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« Reply #116 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 21:22:53 »
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(

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« Reply #117 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 22:36:47 »
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(
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« Reply #118 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 22:41:21 »
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(
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« Reply #119 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 11:45:39 »
hey yall! i'm happy to announce e-white will be offered as a color in this GB. prototypes in pink polycarbonate, Space Grey, and Bushido Red are almost complete, and i am hoping for a ship date to me sometime next week. there will be (hopefully) at least one month's notice given before the GB runs, which will run on Walletburner.co for simplicity. with coronavirus affecting not just manufacturing but also deeply affecting many customers' lives, i will be monitoring the situation globally and making a decision about when to launch accordingly after the kinks are worked out with the prototypes. stay safe!

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« Reply #120 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:04:28 »
Any plans of running this again in the far future, but with a 1u wider layout (to accommodate ]}, ;: and /?)? I guess that would make it a Cajal 50% :)

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« Reply #121 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:17:31 »
scroll up, because i think i have been abundantly clear about that topic.

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« Reply #122 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:29:02 »
Thanks, I must've missed that. In that case, I agree with the following sentiments:

first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy.

Just sayin', but using responses to a completely open-ended question to gauge relative interest in unspecified features is going to potentially give you staggeringly inaccurate results. If you actually care about doing it "democratically" (which tbh it's fine if you don't), you should be polling on specific layouts. Otherwise you might end up with a scenario where, say, a majority would prefer Layout A but assumed it wouldn't be on the table so there was no point in asking, while fans of Layout B, while fewer in number, were more bold about requesting it.

It could be that your initial assumptions are right; but there are just too many factors in play to be at all certain about the relevance of responses to an open-end that open-ended.

I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.

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« Reply #123 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:32:07 »
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.

+1 for 2×2u ortho.

With ortho we can get those full alphas, and 2×2u makes it just a tad more usable.

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« Reply #124 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:35:05 »

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« Reply #125 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:46:55 »
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nice.
I'm still waiting for your 50% board after this one if I cannot get one of these.
Believe you said it would be small number raffle style GB, right?

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« Reply #126 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:48:14 »
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Right. That's not going to stop people from wanting to use a board whose design they like in a manner that's most convenient for them. :P

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« Reply #127 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:56:20 »
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Right. That's not going to stop people from wanting to use a board whose design they like in a manner that's most convenient for them. :P

But then why come into an IC and ask for a change that is completely different than what the designer is looking to do?  Adding another column or row or whatever COMPLETELY changes the design of nearly every aspect of the board including the case.  Asking for Ortho, while still annoying IMO, is a little less intrusive because the 1U setup fits almost everything anyway. 

It's one thing to come into an IC and say "This isn't for me, but it looks nice."  It's completely asinine and bonkers to come into an IC and ask for a completely different layout that will literally change dimensions on a board.
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« Reply #128 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:02:18 »
But then why come into an IC and ask for a change that is completely different than what the designer is looking to do?  Adding another column or row or whatever COMPLETELY changes the design of nearly every aspect of the board including the case.  Asking for Ortho, while still annoying IMO, is a little less intrusive because the 1U setup fits almost everything anyway. 

It's one thing to come into an IC and say "This isn't for me, but it looks nice."  It's completely asinine and bonkers to come into an IC and ask for a completely different layout that will literally change dimensions on a board.

Kindly read my post again. I did not ask for an extra column on this board, but on a potential future version/round of the design. The fact that I agree with some of the comments on how the IC form was conducted and interpreted also has nothing to do with asking for design changes to this board.

Since the designer has stated that they will be releasing a 50% board in the future, this discussion can be put to rest. For the time being, I care more about the possibility of having 2×2u ortho on this board, as that would make it more usable for me and thus turn it into a potential purchase.
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« Reply #129 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:03:52 »
Can we just enjoy the updates?

On a different note, glad to see e-white come through! Now i know what I'm going for. Any chance for renders of those any time soon?

Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!

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« Reply #130 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:22:08 »
Can we just enjoy the updates?

pls, this.

Any chance for renders of those any time soon?

sure, i dont see why not. i'll shoot for a new round of renders to coincide w GB launch but it's more likely you'll see pics of the protos before you see those renders.

Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!

i'll have to check again but my understanding is this will smash right into some of the existing stab cutouts. will send an update if it's doable.

let's all stay frosty out there. i am working on plenty of side-projects for after or during Cajal, and when those boards are IC'd, id be happy to discuss them. for now, let's keep this focused on this board as it is and what features you'd like added that don't require a complete redesign.

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« Reply #131 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:25:54 »
If the 2x2U is possible, would love to see it.  Definitely my favorite ortho layout. Not sure of the majority though so no need to force it.

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« Reply #132 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:36:11 »
Count me in!! loving this

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« Reply #133 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:39:42 »
Alps support would be nice


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« Reply #134 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:46:41 »
Alps support would be nice


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impossible on the staggered version due to the hotswap sockets, but definitely going in the ortho version. you'll need a 1.2mm plate made by laserboost. as with all my projects, plate files will be avail after the GB.

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« Reply #135 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:48:47 »
Fantastic!!


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« Reply #136 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 15:03:58 »
Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!

i'll have to check again but my understanding is this will smash right into some of the existing stab cutouts. will send an update if it's doable.

oi, if it's the stabs for the 1x2u layout I wouldn't mind forgoing it altogether haha, closer to your original staggered design anyhow  ;) :p

No but I do hope it works out somehow, this is legit as close as endgame could ever get for me in ortho layouts

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« Reply #137 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 15:06:45 »
Rotary encoders ftw

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« Reply #138 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 19:28:20 »
Damn. Def wanna do an Alps Ortho with that 7u space.

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« Reply #139 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 20:31:48 »
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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« Reply #140 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 20:51:04 »
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.

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« Reply #141 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 21:50:54 »
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
Just ordered an Alps switch tester!

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« Reply #142 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 21:53:16 »
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
Just ordered an Alps switch tester!
That's pretty tight. Yeah. Theyre just no longer produced. Harder to find. Expensive, depending on what your looking for. Honestly it's a cool experiment for someone whose never used them before, and a go-to for someone who has and really liked them. But MX switches are great too.

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« Reply #143 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:09:35 »
Missed your neuron boards. 100% in on this one.