Author Topic: [IC] Tind: Reworked - 60% Mekanisk Gasket Mount [RAFFLE 03.07.2020] (Read 27358 times)

LeandreN · « **on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 04:59:02 »

Read this release paper on Mekanisk.com.
Visit store page.

GB thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107198.0

This keyboard is 100% designed by, CADed by, manufactured by and fulfilled by Mekanisk. Specifically me, LeandreN.
PCB designed by Wilba.tech.

Purposeful design
Mekanisk will always be heading away from established design norms to create something unique. With the Tind, we mix mechanical engineering with Norwegian nature.
In the Tind, you can find the sharp beveled mountainous edges seamlessly enclosing the rest of the keyboard, on the inside and under(hidden) you find the new Mekanisk Gasket System, and the purposeful copper cornerstone which contains the serial number.

Information
Tind is a high-end keyboard with a custom moulded self-aligning gasket system. The plate has total isolation. You just build your board, connect the daughterboard, throw it in and fasten the top from the bottom with screws.

The design of this keyboard started in 2017, right after Fjell R1 finished shipping. It has been a top mount, gasket mount, bottom mount, gasket mount(again) and I think I have finally found the recipe for a good silicone gasket keyboard. I want to have this mounting system available to use in future Mekanisk keyboards, and to finally prove that the solution works, is a huge milestone for me because it allows me to integrate gaskets in a good way into future designs, and develop good designs, faster.

The keyboard uses 12 custom moulded bottom gaskets that support the plate from the bottom as well from the sides by letting the plate rest on them. This mean that no alignment is needed. There are 12 corresponding small silicone gaskets that push the plate down from the top at the same places and creates a firm grip for the plate. The plate is totally isolated from the rest of the case. The bottom silicone pieces are thicker than normal keyboard gaskets.

The plates are designed from the ground up to support the keyboard in the best possible way. These do not support switch top removal.

Specifications and features

60% keyboard
8 degree typing angle
Heavily chamfered edges with refined design
Low profile front height
Full gasket isolation mount and seamless design
New plate designs with mild relief cuts
Custom molded silicone pieces for the top, bottom and under.
USB-C Wilba PCB with a centered daughterboard
VIA compatible PCB
Each keyboard is serial numbered

This article is continues under the photos.

Renders

Factory photos

Prototypes and renders will differ from final product. There are already decided adjustments. Factory photos are low quality and will show artifacts not seen in real life.

ANODIZED COLORS
Ultramarine: Beautiful Pantone 3035C inspired color. Blue with a hint of green.

Dark grey: Not the standard “warm gray”. This is a dark, cool gray. (Same as R1 grey)

PLATE MATERIAL
Available in ISO or ANSI. Possible half plates in both material and layout options.

Sandblasted brass

Carbon fiber

RAFFLE SPOTS: 100
KIT PRICE: $400

IN THE KIT
Tind top piece (Ultramarine / Dark grey)

Tind bottom piece (Dark grey)

12x Custom Molded Mekanisk Silicone Gasket System bottom gaskets

12x Mekanisk Silicone Gasket System top gaskets

4x Custom Molded Mekanisk Viewfinder Silicone Bumpons

Mekanisk Gasket Plate in sandblasted brass / carbon fibre (+ $25) with ISO or ANSI layout support

WT60-? PCB with an USB-C daughterboard

All necessary screws and tools for assembly

Packaging
Custom EVA foam, double cardboard shipping box.

SHIPPING
Shipping will only be done via DHL Express directly from our factory. If you are in Norway, your order will be shipped from Norway. Shipping cost has increased in 2020, expect a higher shipping cost than you normally would. Your countries taxes are not included in the price unless you are in Norway.

WHEN
We are aiming for a late June raffle, with November shipping. The raffle will be announced beforehand, and will not come as a surprise.

FAQ
Why are there no blocked corners or winkeyless options?
We need to limit all options as much as possible for this keyboard, so for this round, only the standard layout will be available. The next round we will supply different options and might include both blocked corners and winkeyless layouts.

Will there be more color options?
Not this round.

What does gasket/isolation mount mean?
To me, it means that the plate is isolated from the rest of the case in some way. There are many different methods that are used to achieve this. We developed our own.

The status of this project is added to MEKANISK.XYZ so you can keep yourself updated there.

Thank you for reading.

Carcha · « **Reply #1 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:00:32 »

Absolutely yes.

Krionking · « **Reply #2 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:00:48 »

kabocha · « **Reply #3 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:00:56 »

Yes! Been looking forward to this

David93 · « **Reply #4 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:00:57 »

first

edit - not first

toxic_munkii · « **Reply #5 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:01:46 »

frekleboy123 · « **Reply #6 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:02:17 »

This looks pretty interesting.

Victor Song · « **Reply #7 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:02:30 »

In

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MrFixIT12 · « **Reply #8 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:02:46 »

Looking good

Dokgo · « **Reply #9 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:02:53 »

kim-kim · « **Reply #10 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:03:23 »

XD75RE type C support? Custom plate support?

cbbplanet · « **Reply #11 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:04:48 »

More ultramarine

Jae-3soteric · « **Reply #12 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:05:41 »

what more do I need to say other than YES!

DeusL · « **Reply #13 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:06:45 »

YES YES YES !

One question, looking at the mounting system I was wondering if an ALPS PCB (like Hazu’s) could fit this setup ?

Looking forward for more color renders

Great Job !

snurrebassen · « **Reply #14 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:08:28 »

Yesssss <3 <3

teexcue · « **Reply #15 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:11:44 »

IN. So so in.

ddnomad · « **Reply #16 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:13:01 »

No HHKB top for me

So sad

lukelex · « **Reply #17 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:13:53 »

Are there any plans to add blockers?

Zambumon · « **Reply #18 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:19:21 »

I see

SmilingPudding · « **Reply #19 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:33:09 »

Is there a render of the back of the keyboard?

DanBe · « **Reply #20 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:55:37 »

can't bloody wait. Just have to hope RNG on my side!

azzipa · « **Reply #21 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 07:22:55 »

Great to see so much interest in your products. Do you have an estimate of long after the initial ‘raffle round’ until a larger 2nd round? Just in case I’m not one of the favored 100...

PS - Thank you for pointing me here from the old thread.

LeandreN · « **Reply #22 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 07:52:59 »

Quote from: SmilingPudding on Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:33:09

Is there a render of the back of the keyboard?

microCuts · « **Reply #23 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 08:59:03 »

May I know how much is the shipping cost to Asia? That may add up alot since the shipping is expensive nowadays and will be part of the consideration.

Rob27shred · « **Reply #24 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 09:30:07 »

May RNGsus be on my side for this one!

wirex · « **Reply #25 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 11:25:53 »

Been waiting patiently for this!

dRnRcRr · « **Reply #26 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 11:55:17 »

This is so nice. Looking forward to seeing more.

manaorme · « **Reply #27 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 11:59:50 »

Oh my, CF plate is new

But no PC plate

L8T · « **Reply #28 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 12:37:35 »

Not having WKL/HHKB/Tsangan support for a 400 dollar keyboard is disappointing imo. Adding more plate material options would be kinda cool too, especially if you can add flex cut to ur pcb for us bounce lovers

Either way, GL with the IC!

rohangpatil · « **Reply #29 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 15:16:06 »

POGGers

LeandreN · « **Reply #30 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 15:38:32 »

Thanks for all the support. I will try to answer some questions later. Thank you thank you thank you

Puddsy · « **Reply #31 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 16:28:54 »

Quote from: L8T on Sat, 16 May 2020, 12:37:35

Not having WKL/HHKB/Tsangan support for a 400 dollar keyboard is disappointing imo. Adding more plate material options would be kinda cool too, especially if you can add flex cut to ur pcb for us bounce lovers Either way, GL with the IC!

Probably keeping options limited for easier QC. It's a handsome board regardless, and I think the construction of it is really unique.

Tre3Cycl3S · « **Reply #32 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 16:47:22 »

Just want to make sure: Does the plate support split backspace and split right shift? Looks like it base on the renders, but I just want to make sure.

Nevertheless, this is really nice! Very very excited for this! I hope I get a spot @.@

karlb · « **Reply #33 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 17:31:07 »

Yes please!

Zurg Eon · « **Reply #34 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 18:05:55 »

Great work! Already have too many 60-percents, two of them from Mekanisk, but I'm super excited for bigger form factors using this mounting solution!

pott · « **Reply #35 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 18:31:40 »

I'm glad that, FOR ONCE, a good-looking case launches without blockers. Thank you! I have two Klippe in order... but I may go for one of these too...

SmilingPudding · « **Reply #36 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 19:54:58 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Sat, 16 May 2020, 07:52:59

Quote from: SmilingPudding on Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:33:09
Is there a render of the back of the keyboard?

Show Image

:thumb:

What about the bottom? Sorry should've asked at once.

krey · « **Reply #37 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 21:37:22 »

Time to get ready for it!

Yeoh · « **Reply #38 on:** Sat, 16 May 2020, 23:07:21 »

WKL would look really nice

LeandreN · « **Reply #39 on:** Sun, 17 May 2020, 03:12:16 »

Updated the gasket count. Apparently I can't count.

diazel · « **Reply #40 on:** Sun, 17 May 2020, 04:18:32 »

Wait, so does the PCB just hang from the plate? Or are the mounts not shown yet in the render? This thing is sick.

Seoulcialite · « **Reply #41 on:** Sun, 17 May 2020, 13:57:11 »

I've always wanted Mekanisk board. I've refrained because I'm primarily a 65% user. But I don't think I can resist this one. Looks great.

Puddsy · « **Reply #42 on:** Sun, 17 May 2020, 15:50:06 »

Quote from: diazel on Sun, 17 May 2020, 04:18:32

Wait, so does the PCB just hang from the plate? Or are the mounts not shown yet in the render? This thing is sick.

generally yeah

PCB is soldered to the switches which are so it doesn't need to be attached to anything else

LeandreN · « **Reply #43 on:** Mon, 18 May 2020, 02:39:15 »

Quote from: Tre3Cycl3S on Sat, 16 May 2020, 16:47:22

Just want to make sure: Does the plate support split backspace and split right shift? Looks like it base on the renders, but I just want to make sure.

Nevertheless, this is really nice! Very very excited for this! I hope I get a spot @.@

Yes

LeandreN · « **Reply #44 on:** Wed, 20 May 2020, 05:12:22 »

Those who win the raffle will be able to add the Mekanisk Ultramarine Stabilisers to their order as well.

JerkChicken456 · « **Reply #45 on:** Wed, 20 May 2020, 05:42:53 »

very cool! color-matched stabs is a nice touch too

blizzara01 · « **Reply #46 on:** Wed, 20 May 2020, 08:17:18 »

RNGsus be with me

diddykang · « **Reply #47 on:** Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:57:20 »

Very cool set.

Felix1 · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 27 May 2020, 14:12:55 »

"If you are in Norway, your order will be shipped from Norway."
What if I'm in Sweden? Would it still be shipping from Norway or would I have to pay the shipping from China?
Edit: I read it again and got my answer.

McMack04 · « **Reply #49 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 00:47:17 »

Money is overrated please take mine.

Xemnova · « **Reply #50 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 01:46:49 »

Very very nice, especially loving that aquamarine! Will we get a sound test sometime before the buy as well? Also curious if the plate will be getting any relief cuts as I tend to see that common with the gasket mounting systems?

LeandreN · « **Reply #51 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 03:54:59 »

Quote from: Xemnova on Thu, 28 May 2020, 01:46:49

Very very nice, especially loving that aquamarine! Will we get a sound test sometime before the buy as well? Also curious if the plate will be getting any relief cuts as I tend to see that common with the gasket mounting systems?

There are some mild relief cuts already. Might do a sound test if I am able to somewhat capture what it sounds like in real life use, if not, there will be no sound test.

LeandreN · « **Reply #52 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 10:31:08 »

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gs8d6h/ultramarine_tind_by_mekanisk/?

Check out this picture of the prototype. More coming the next days.

pixelpusher · « **Reply #53 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 10:57:03 »

I have a dream that there will be a super secret ultra-rare burnt orange color of the tind

The seamless would make it easier to powder coat though, right? So maybe I could have it painted down the road.

LeandreN · « **Reply #54 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 11:06:29 »

Quote from: pixelpusher on Thu, 28 May 2020, 10:57:03

I have a dream that there will be a super secret ultra-rare burnt orange color of the tind

The seamless would make it easier to powder coat though, right? So maybe I could have it painted down the road.

I love burnt orange!😄

GaNeBaL · « **Reply #55 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 11:29:41 »

will we see a weirdflex pcb in this boi?

perry4761 · « **Reply #56 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 17:04:29 »

This is sex

LeandreN · « **Reply #57 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 18:19:03 »

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gsgvag/gasket_and_my_favourite_gmk_keycaps/?

Mcnos · « **Reply #58 on:** Thu, 28 May 2020, 19:51:23 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Thu, 28 May 2020, 18:19:03

Show Image

Show Image

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gsgvag/gasket_and_my_favourite_gmk_keycaps/?

So nice

Tre3Cycl3S · « **Reply #59 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 02:40:50 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Thu, 28 May 2020, 18:19:03

Show Image

Show Image

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gsgvag/gasket_and_my_favourite_gmk_keycaps/?

Gosh darn, both look lit!

LeandreN · « **Reply #60 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 03:59:29 »

Hello.

Due to Covid, and not to dissapoint potential buyers I will delay the delivery time of the Tind.

There are other reason aswell, Fjell R5 and Klippe T R4 are in production, and that has resulted in around 900 keyboards in the production queue. Since we don't want to skimp on quality, we are going to delay Tind a bit.

I am postponing the estimated delivery from September-October to November.

Thank you.

FunBox · « **Reply #61 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 04:12:30 »

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad"

Take your time. I'm sure I'm not alone in preferring you take your time to ensure everything comes out well.

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Ryanticz · « **Reply #62 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:52:29 »

those pictures are making me want to get a set of solarized dark just for this board...

Looks gorgeous

LeandreN · « **Reply #63 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 15:03:01 »

Quote from: Ryanticz on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:52:29

those pictures are making me want to get a set of solarized dark just for this board...

Looks gorgeous

Thanks. Yes I want to get another set of Solarized Dark myself!

Sifo · « **Reply #64 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 15:07:12 »

that's too bad about the delay. can't wait to try and get my hands on one

Xemnova · « **Reply #65 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 17:24:22 »

I'm currently waiting no matter what so not a problem for me

LeandreN · « **Reply #66 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 17:53:13 »

Quote from: Sifo on Fri, 29 May 2020, 15:07:12

that's too bad about the delay. can't wait to try and get my hands on one

I guess you are going for the grey one

?

Happy to have your support!

LeandreN · « **Reply #67 on:** Fri, 29 May 2020, 17:56:11 »

Quote from: Jae-3soteric on Sat, 16 May 2020, 05:05:41

what more do I need to say other than YES!

Thanks for your support Jae!

LeandreN · « **Reply #68 on:** Sun, 31 May 2020, 14:26:03 »

Been testing a bit: feels great to type on, great sound. I love the carbon fiber plate.

More later.

Xemnova · « **Reply #69 on:** Sun, 31 May 2020, 17:52:26 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Sun, 31 May 2020, 14:26:03

Been testing a bit: feels great to type on, great sound. I love the carbon fiber plate.

More later.

That assembly is very nice. Simple and clean. Looking forward to hearing some typing! I'll gladly buy one now and still wait the extra time

Sifo · « **Reply #70 on:** Sun, 31 May 2020, 17:53:52 »

what a tease

hkhawk · « **Reply #71 on:** Sun, 31 May 2020, 18:17:30 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Sun, 31 May 2020, 14:26:03

Been testing a bit: feels great to type on, great sound. I love the carbon fiber plate.

More later.

Awesome, can't wait

LeandreN · « **Reply #72 on:** Mon, 01 June 2020, 03:56:04 »

Quote from: Sifo on Sun, 31 May 2020, 17:53:52

what a tease

More info coming later, I just have to finish exams

Also implementing a few changes for the production model.

LeandreN · « **Reply #73 on:** Tue, 02 June 2020, 16:18:11 »

keyboardkrill · « **Reply #74 on:** Tue, 02 June 2020, 18:51:02 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Mon, 01 June 2020, 03:56:04

Quote from: Sifo on Sun, 31 May 2020, 17:53:52
what a tease

More info coming later, I just have to finish exams
Also implementing a few changes for the production model.

Good luck with exams!!!!

konstantin · « **Reply #75 on:** Wed, 03 June 2020, 04:25:54 »

Hi LeandreN, have you considered offering electrophoretic coatings (e.g. e-white) for this board?

LeandreN · « **Reply #76 on:** Wed, 03 June 2020, 04:43:40 »

Quote from: konstantin on Wed, 03 June 2020, 04:25:54

Hi LeandreN, have you considered offering electrophoretic coatings (e.g. e-white) for this board?

Yes, in the future.
The plan is to offer different colors each round, and I have some special plans aswell.

konstantin · « **Reply #77 on:** Wed, 03 June 2020, 06:13:57 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Wed, 03 June 2020, 04:43:40

Yes, in the future.
The plan is to offer different colors each round, and I have some special plans aswell.

Thanks for your reply. I guess I will be holding out for a future round then. GL with R1, I'm sure it will be a runaway success!

LeandreN · « **Reply #78 on:** Wed, 03 June 2020, 07:17:08 »

Hello!

Will be running one more prototype before production, should not take too long as I am the entire production queue in my factory

I will make sure to have representative pictures of the keyboards before the raffle opens.

Thanks for your patience everyone <3

acaban · « **Reply #79 on:** Wed, 03 June 2020, 07:20:46 »

where can I read about this raffle method? does that mean that only 100 kits will be sold in this round? or the raffle is for who gets served first? thanks.

LeandreN · « **Reply #80 on:** Wed, 03 June 2020, 07:22:29 »

Quote from: acaban on Wed, 03 June 2020, 07:20:46

where can I read about this raffle method? does that mean that only 100 kits will be sold in this round? or the raffle is for who gets served first? thanks.

Yes, only 100 kits will be sold this round. You enter the raffle for a chance to be one of the 100 that are eligible to make a purchase.

LeandreN · « **Reply #81 on:** Fri, 05 June 2020, 13:59:49 »

Xemnova · « **Reply #82 on:** Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:13:46 »

And it sounds as good as it looks! I'm double sold, when are you expecting to setup the raffle for this?

LeandreN · « **Reply #83 on:** Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:22:04 »

Quote from: Xemnova on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:13:46

And it sounds as good as it looks! I'm double sold, when are you expecting to setup the raffle for this?

I initially said late June for the raffle, which may be, but whatever date I decide to run the raffle, the shipping date is still November 2020.

So I hope it is okay for folks with a little bit flexibility on the raffle date as long as it is announced in advance, and that I can gurantee a delivery in November 2020 no matter when the buy itself will happen.

Xemnova · « **Reply #84 on:** Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:26:11 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:22:04

Quote from: Xemnova on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:13:46
And it sounds as good as it looks! I'm double sold, when are you expecting to setup the raffle for this?

I initially said late June for the raffle, which may be, but whatever date I decide to run the raffle, the shipping date is still November 2020.

So I hope it is okay for folks with a little bit flexibility on the raffle date as long as it is announced in advance, and that I can gurantee a delivery in November 2020 no matter when the buy itself will happen.

Sounds good to me, I was just curious since the delivery time had been pushed back if it also affected the raffle time. Either way, can't wait for this!

LeandreN · « **Reply #85 on:** Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:37:59 »

Quote from: Xemnova on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:26:11

Quote from: LeandreN on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:22:04
Quote from: Xemnova on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:13:46
And it sounds as good as it looks! I'm double sold, when are you expecting to setup the raffle for this?

I initially said late June for the raffle, which may be, but whatever date I decide to run the raffle, the shipping date is still November 2020.

So I hope it is okay for folks with a little bit flexibility on the raffle date as long as it is announced in advance, and that I can gurantee a delivery in November 2020 no matter when the buy itself will happen.

Sounds good to me, I was just curious since the delivery time had been pushed back if it also affected the raffle time. Either way, can't wait for this!

It all depends how long things take with shipping etc. for the prototype. That will determine the raffle date. All the boards can be produced and shipped in November regardless of when the raffle is, due to having reserved production slots.

The ultimate end goal for Mekanisk is to have all the boards ready before the raffle, so you can have “immediate” shipment.

we are not there quite yet, but sooner than you think.

FunBox · « **Reply #86 on:** Fri, 05 June 2020, 17:04:28 »

Are you planning on bringing this gasket system to some of the other boards? (Klippe, Fjell)

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LeandreN · « **Reply #87 on:** Fri, 05 June 2020, 17:08:01 »

Quote from: FunBox on Fri, 05 June 2020, 17:04:28

Are you planning on bringing this gasket system to some of the other boards? (Klippe, Fjell)

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This is really what a Fjell with gaskets would be

We will have to see in after this round is done and get feedback from all you here!

wirex · « **Reply #88 on:** Sat, 06 June 2020, 00:34:47 »

Great looking board! Are there pics of the bottom side of the board? Just wondering what the logo/weight looks like.

LeandreN · « **Reply #89 on:** Sat, 06 June 2020, 03:31:27 »

Quote from: wirex on Sat, 06 June 2020, 00:34:47

Great looking board! Are there pics of the bottom side of the board? Just wondering what the logo/weight looks like.

The current prototype have no weight, which is why I do not have any pictures of a weight.

caronte0 · « **Reply #90 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:59:50 »

Hi LeandreN, i have been waiting for this case since early 2019 although i know you have been developing it since much earlier, and i got a couple of questions.
What are the plans for Tind in the future, will be more raffles or gb (if this raffle goes well)?
I'm guessing that the plate is the regular 1.5mm, do you if making an alps compatible 1.2mm plate will be a problem or should be ok? (assuming that you realese the plate files for people making their own) I'm making this question because maartenwut probably will be making an alps pcb with daugtherboard support

LeandreN · « **Reply #91 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 11:04:15 »

LeandreN · « **Reply #92 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 11:08:39 »

Quote from: caronte0 on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:59:50

Hi LeandreN, i have been waiting for this case since early 2019 although i know you have been developing it since much earlier, and i got a couple of questions.
What are the plans for Tind in the future, will be more raffles or gb (if this raffle goes well)?
I'm guessing that the plate is the regular 1.5mm, do you if making an alps compatible 1.2mm plate will be a problem or should be ok? (assuming that you realese the plate files for people making their own) I'm making this question because maartenwut probably will be making an alps pcb with daugtherboard support

Hi. 1.2mm should be fine but you get less gasket compression.
I will release the files. And yes, there will be more raffles in the future.

Thanks for your support.

caronte0 · « **Reply #93 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 13:55:17 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Mon, 08 June 2020, 11:08:39

Hi. 1.2mm should be fine but you get less gasket compression.
I will release the files. And yes, there will be more raffles in the future.

Thanks for your support.

That is great i would love test it with the regular plate 1.5, and a custom 1.2 for alps. I definitely will be at raffle, although my luck kinda sucks but let's see this time. It's lovely to see the essence of Fjell in a gasket mount, also the mekanisk blue and the R1 grey colors are top notch, will be a hard choice for most of the winners.

Good luck the raffle

Zeelobby · « **Reply #94 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:37:06 »

Will the PCB be Alps compatible? With alps plate files?

LeandreN · « **Reply #95 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:40:55 »

Quote from: Zeelobby on Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:37:06

Will the PCB be Alps compatible? With alps plate files?

No alps PCB or alps plate files. You can create your own though.

Zeelobby · « **Reply #96 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:41:47 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:40:55

Quote from: Zeelobby on Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:37:06
Will the PCB be Alps compatible? With alps plate files?

No alps PCB or alps plate files. You can create your own though.

Ah. Ok. Got confused for a second. Thanks!

konstantin · « **Reply #97 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:52:55 »

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These photos are works of art in and of themselves.

LeandreN · « **Reply #98 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:57:58 »

Here is the USB cutout.

LeandreN · « **Reply #99 on:** Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:58:41 »

Quote from: konstantin on Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:52:55

Quote from: LeandreN on Mon, 08 June 2020, 11:04:15
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These photos are works of art in and of themselves.

Thank you!

one1wish · « **Reply #100 on:** Tue, 09 June 2020, 16:38:47 »

yes please! count me in!

konstantin · « **Reply #101 on:** Tue, 09 June 2020, 18:06:28 »

LeandreN, are you happy with how the ultramarine color came out on the prototype? Is that going to be the final color for the GB?

LeandreN · « **Reply #102 on:** Tue, 09 June 2020, 18:08:17 »

Quote from: konstantin on Tue, 09 June 2020, 18:06:28

LeandreN, are you happy with how the ultramarine color came out on the prototype? Is that going to be the final color for the GB?

Yes it’s the same ultramarine used since July 2019.

konstantin · « **Reply #103 on:** Tue, 09 June 2020, 18:20:00 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Tue, 09 June 2020, 18:08:17

Yes it’s the same ultramarine used since July 2019.

Thanks for the quick reply. From the photos it seems like it would be an almost spot-on match to my GMK Sol Dark set.

LeandreN · « **Reply #104 on:** Tue, 09 June 2020, 19:17:59 »

Quote from: konstantin on Tue, 09 June 2020, 18:20:00

Quote from: LeandreN on Tue, 09 June 2020, 18:08:17
Yes it’s the same ultramarine used since July 2019.

Thanks for the quick reply. From the photos it seems like it would be an almost spot-on match to my GMK Sol Dark set.

Yeah it matches really well

LeandreN · « **Reply #105 on:** Sun, 14 June 2020, 16:40:51 »

Ok so the latest prototype is in production. We are testing some new stuff, and adding some screws here and there.

Thanks for your patience!

Xemnova · « **Reply #106 on:** Tue, 16 June 2020, 02:41:37 »

Looking forward to the next proto update! It already looks and sounds amazing as is. You had mentioned that this board is testing a design for that mounting system that you intend to use on further projects (and I assume update old ones as well), so far is it as you had hoped it would be?

LeandreN · « **Reply #107 on:** Tue, 16 June 2020, 04:31:11 »

Quote from: Xemnova on Tue, 16 June 2020, 02:41:37

Looking forward to the next proto update! It already looks and sounds amazing as is. You had mentioned that this board is testing a design for that mounting system that you intend to use on further projects (and I assume update old ones as well), so far is it as you had hoped it would be?

Yes, the mounting system is very nice. Especially love it with a CF plate. I think you all are going to love it.

LeandreN · « **Reply #108 on:** Sat, 20 June 2020, 04:29:11 »

How the raffle form will look. There are currently no decided raffle date, it will be announced here.

Xemnova · « **Reply #109 on:** Sat, 20 June 2020, 06:51:55 »

Hype! Can't wait!

kidviddy · « **Reply #110 on:** Sat, 20 June 2020, 12:53:57 »

I haven't bought one of these fancy gasket-mounted keyboards before. If I wanted to replace the PCB/plate with something that supports my layout (JIS), is that a reasonable thing to do or is the plate custom-moulded to this case and thus having my own printed would be likely to yield worse results?

LeandreN · « **Reply #111 on:** Sat, 20 June 2020, 17:17:18 »

Quote from: kidviddy on Sat, 20 June 2020, 12:53:57

I haven't bought one of these fancy gasket-mounted keyboards before. If I wanted to replace the PCB/plate with something that supports my layout (JIS), is that a reasonable thing to do or is the plate custom-moulded to this case and thus having my own printed would be likely to yield worse results?

JIS contains a lot of different standards if I am not mistaken. The bottom row on some of these layouts are not supported by the PCB or the plate. You could design your own plate, then get a 60% PCB with daughterboard support and JIS layout support. If that exist.

KeebOnMe · « **Reply #112 on:** Sat, 20 June 2020, 18:40:46 »

The keyboard looks great, can't wait!

kidviddy · « **Reply #113 on:** Sat, 20 June 2020, 19:18:52 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Sat, 20 June 2020, 17:17:18

JIS contains a lot of different standards if I am not mistaken. The bottom row on some of these layouts are not supported by the PCB or the plate. You could design your own plate, then get a 60% PCB with daughterboard support and JIS layout support. If that exist.

Thanks for the reply.

All that would be required for *basic* JIS support is the ability to swap the right shift key with the Menu/Fn key, so that the 1U appears on the left and the right shift is flush to the right of the keyboard. That, in combination with the existing ISO support and the split backspace, is enough to get the correct layout for the alphas.

For full JIS support, you would need a smaller space bar configuration to make room for two extra 1U or 1.25U buttons to either side of it, and optionally a third 1U as well. For example, 1.25U/2.75U/1.25U/1U takes up the same amount of space as a 6.25U space bar and would give you all the keys for both Mac and Windows JIS configurations.

The latter is a big ask, and not many PCBs support it either — some GH60 clones with “minila” style layouts, and that’s about it. But the former is relatively easy to add to what is otherwise a pretty standard PCB, and I believe also useful for Brazilian users (though I admit I don’t know much about this), so I’d love to see greater mainstream adoption of a “swapped” split right shift in the future.

In the meanwhile, I’m pretty resigned to the fact that JIS support is not going to be common on PCBs for the foreseeable future, so I’m trying to learn what I can about PCB design so that I could design something with JIS support to use myself. I am still very much in the “no idea what I’m doing” phase of that exploration, though ;-)

I’ll have a look into what goes into designing a PCB with daughterboard support. How much clearance is there under the PCB in this case to seat the daughterboard? (I presume that’s how this works?)

LeandreN · « **Reply #114 on:** Wed, 24 June 2020, 18:16:44 »

I am not rushing any of this. I am waiting for the final prototype before letting people entering the raffle.
This will also be used for detail photos, so you can make a decision on whether you want to enter the raffle or not, based on production photos.

The prototype is estimated to ship next week, and will probably arrive late next week. These times, it is difficult to estimate this, so I ask for your patience regarding this.

Thank you!

Zeelobby · « **Reply #115 on:** Wed, 24 June 2020, 19:31:09 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Wed, 24 June 2020, 18:16:44

I am not rushing any of this. I am waiting for the final prototype before letting people entering the raffle.
This will also be used for detail photos, so you can make a decision on whether you want to enter the raffle or not, based on production photos.

The prototype is estimated to ship next week, and will probably arrive late next week. These times, it is difficult to estimate this, so I ask for your patience regarding this.

Thank you!

Group buys done right! Really excited for this one.

Xemnova · « **Reply #116 on:** Wed, 24 June 2020, 21:07:06 »

Can't wait! I really appreciate the updates in both here and the Discord on where things are at, thanks for keeping us in the loop while we all play the waiting game haha

FlitzDeelman · « **Reply #117 on:** Thu, 25 June 2020, 00:30:12 »

This Is a fairly basic question I haven’t seen answered. Sorry if I am making people repeat themselves or restate the obviously established. If so, please point me at the existing answer with a URL?

How many years would a gasket last? I know we’re aiming to optimise typing feel, not longevity, I accept that, but I’d like to know what I’m getting. The Fjell / Tind design is pretty ageless, IMO, by the way.

Would buying spares now even help, would the spare not expire alongside the original? Would it make a difference if the spare is shrink-wrapped, is it exposure to air that does it for the gasket, or pressure from being used?

I’m guessing the choice of material makes a big difference here.

If buying a spare now wouldn’t help, how about keeping spares in the store, and maybe also supplying 3d printing plans, if that’s at all feasible?

You can thank the designer of the Fat Boy for putting these thoughts in my head!

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LeandreN · « **Reply #118 on:** Thu, 25 June 2020, 05:35:24 »

Quote from: FlitzDeelman on Thu, 25 June 2020, 00:30:12

This Is a fairly basic question I haven’t seen answered. Sorry if I am making people repeat themselves or restate the obviously established. If so, please point me at the existing answer with a URL?

How many years would a gasket last? I know we’re aiming to optimise typing feel, not longevity, I accept that, but I’d like to know what I’m getting. The Fjell / Tind design is pretty ageless, IMO, by the way.

Would buying spares now even help, would the spare not expire alongside the original? Would it make a difference if the spare is shrink-wrapped, is it exposure to air that does it for the gasket, or pressure from being used?

I’m guessing the choice of material makes a big difference here.

If buying a spare now wouldn’t help, how about keeping spares in the store, and maybe also supplying 3d printing plans, if that’s at all feasible?

You can thank the designer of the Fat Boy for putting these thoughts in my head!

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Silicone gaskets will last years and years. I always support my products, and will keep them in stock if there is a need for replacements.

FlitzDeelman · « **Reply #119 on:** Thu, 25 June 2020, 05:49:43 »

Thanks LeandreN.

I don’t doubt that you would support your products. It’s a good reason to buy from Mekanisk or companies like Rama, you’ve been around for a while and look like you will be around even longer. I also like that you refine and improve designs like the Klippe and Fjell.

I’m new to this hobby, and the Klippe T r4 that’s on the way is my first board, by the way. So I’m still asking basic questions.

I also had a hunch silicone would last longer than some other materials around.

I think my question was more generic - there’s a big rush to gasket mounts being part of one-off group buys, but how long would those gaskets last?

It was prompted by the IC thread for the Fat Boy board, designed to be serviceable and hackable (like I said before). I think it has grommets rather than gaskets - is that burger mount?

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FlitzDeelman · « **Reply #120 on:** Thu, 25 June 2020, 07:02:00 »

I'm not certain you can answer the more generic question, LeandreN, so no need to answer, I was just going off on a tangent.

I think there are many people waiting for the Tind GB, rather spend your time on that!

LeandreN · « **Reply #121 on:** Sun, 28 June 2020, 06:40:13 »

Expect some news about Tind next week.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/hhcxzb/mountainous_keyboard_with_isolation_mounting_tind/

LeandreN · « **Reply #122 on:** Sun, 28 June 2020, 13:57:55 »

Thanks for your patience! Here is a picture.

Xemnova · « **Reply #123 on:** Sun, 28 June 2020, 16:38:54 »

Looks amazing! Great work!

konstantin · « **Reply #124 on:** Sun, 28 June 2020, 21:06:50 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Sun, 28 June 2020, 13:57:55

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Great! Could we get a side profile shot as well?

LeandreN · « **Reply #125 on:** Mon, 29 June 2020, 03:43:29 »

Quote from: konstantin on Sun, 28 June 2020, 21:06:50

Quote from: LeandreN on Sun, 28 June 2020, 13:57:55
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Great! Could we get a side profile shot as well?

konstantin · « **Reply #126 on:** Mon, 29 June 2020, 04:43:23 »

Quote from: LeandreN on Mon, 29 June 2020, 03:43:29

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Thank you. Again, that color goes with Sol Dark so well.

It looks like the caps are sitting slightly above the side of the case, making for a small gap when viewed from the side like that. Is this due to the mounting method? Is it something that will be fixed in the final version?

LeandreN · « **Reply #127 on:** Mon, 29 June 2020, 04:45:00 »

Quote from: konstantin on Mon, 29 June 2020, 04:43:23

Quote from: LeandreN on Mon, 29 June 2020, 03:43:29
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Thank you. Again, that color goes with Sol Dark so well.

It looks like the caps are sitting slightly above the side of the case, making for a small gap when viewed from the side like that. Is this due to the mounting method? Is it something that will be fixed in the final version?

They are not above the edge of the case, just looks like it from that angle.

LeandreN · « **Reply #128 on:** Tue, 30 June 2020, 12:27:37 »

https://mekanisk.com/blogs/updates/june-3-tind-series-i-raffle-announcement

chowder266 · « **Reply #129 on:** Tue, 30 June 2020, 12:42:52 »

fingers crossed, this is a beautiful board

keyboardkrill · « **Reply #130 on:** Tue, 30 June 2020, 12:49:26 »

lol, when you think you missed the raffle on March 3rd, but then you realize the date is internationally formatted, and then you feel guilty for being raised on yet another stupid american standard.

konstantin · « **Reply #131 on:** Tue, 30 June 2020, 13:04:04 »

Quote from: keyboardkrill on Tue, 30 June 2020, 12:49:26

lol, when you think you missed the raffle on March 3rd, but then you realize the date is internationally formatted, and then you feel guilty for being raised on yet another stupid american standard.

A good rule of thumb is to assume that the date isn't in middle-endian (US) format if you see periods used as delimiters instead of slashes

The following conventions are the most common:
dd.mm.yyyy (little-endian / European)
mm/dd/yyyy (middle-endian / US)
yyyy-mm-dd (big-endian / ISO)

LeandreN · « **Reply #132 on:** Tue, 30 June 2020, 13:48:20 »

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107198.0

GB thread!

Jo_hannes · « **Reply #133 on:** Fri, 03 July 2020, 11:21:59 »

Really enjoying all the positivity on Geekhack, you guys are great!

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