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Offline FRANCO

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Important Update (7/4): Unfortunately, we have to do away with the Big Ass Enter key; after looking into the stabilizer stem positioning for us, SP realized that they do not have the molds for Alps stems on a BAE. I really do apologize for getting people's hopes up; I'm very disappointed too =/

Hi Everyone!
Fredington and I teamed up again to bring you DCS Alps Pingmaster!

Like many in this hobby, I discovered Alps switches and ended up loving them. But unfortunately, there isn’t that much choice for Alps lovers when it comes to keycaps. It seems like the only choices are Tai Hoa sets (but dolch is always out of stock), the sets from those two GBs from back in the 2010’s, or a yellowed vintage set. And good luck finding a set with a single zero keycap for the numpad. Honestly, as a fan of Alps switches, I kind of just want a new keycap set haha

A few key things about this set:
  • The set is PBT with Dye-sublimated legends
  • We went the PBT route since Alps keycaps in Doubleshot ABS tend to have an issue of very fragile stems, and SP informed us that because the PBT Alps keycaps are single shot molded, fragile stems shouldn’t be an issue
  • (UPDATE:6/25)The longer spacebars (6u, 6.25u, 6.5u, 7u) will be in ABS as the PBT spacebar is known to warp pretty badly
  • The set was inspired by the IBM Pingmaster because I’ve always liked the Japanese Alps keycaps.
  • (UPDATE: 7/4) We have split out the alphas and mods to give people more choice (Icon mods or Katakana mods)
  • All Modifiers will have MX mounts for stabilizers

If you are interested in this set, please fill out this form here! There also may be a question regarding future sets ;)

NEW POLL (7/4): Would you be interested in a Vintage kit (without a BAE) that includes the other odd sizes that are typically found on vintage Alps keyboards? Please fill out this poll: https://forms.gle/gcSGwXeBy7KXh13f6

Kits:

Alphas

After more consideration, we decided to split out the Alphas from the modifiers to give people more choice.
The legends have also been changed to more accurately reflect the Pingmaster legends. Specifically, we moved the English legends from the top left, to the bottom left


Icon Modifiers

Heard you guys loud and clear! Modeled this Kit after the icons from the Pingmaster

Katakana Modifiers

For the people like myself and Fredington who are just really into Japanese legends

ISO

Covers ISO layouts with both icon and katakana legends; accents included

Numpad

We initially wanted the base kit to include everything, but due to the legends, it got a bit pricey. So we split out the Numpad to make it a bit more affordable.


Split Spacebars

We added a Split Spacebar kit for more compatibility with various layouts. Please note which spacebars are marked as ABS



Other Considerations:
  • We wanted to include relgendables in the GB, but they only offer them in a couple of PBT colors. And because the tooling was made for ABS, the PBT tends to shrink
  • (Update: 7/4) As stated above, we really wanted to try to include a Big Ass Enter, but unfortunately, it's just not possible right now

Color Codes:
Standard SP Color Codes; color chips ordered!

Special Acknowledgements:
  • Thank you again to Fredington for creating the fonts, kits, and just being a pleasure to work with
  • Thanks to ai03 for giving us his blessing. It was genuinely a mistake that this set looks like his SimpleJA keycap set; we honestly forgot that he had already created a PBT set with Katakana sublegends


To-do’s:
  • Gather feedback
  • Possible polling (currently up!)
  • Finalize kits (on-going)
  • Finalize colors (in progress; color chips ordered!)
  • Pricing (in progress; apologies for the delay as we wanted to try and get the kits as close to finalized as possible prior to posting pricing)
  • Possible renders
  • Vendors
  • GB Date

Changelog
  • 7/4/20
    Revised legends so English Alphas sit on the bottom left, being more in line with the Pingmaster's legends
    Broke out Alphas, Icon Mods, and Katakana Mods
    Unfortunately, had to remove the BAE kit
  • 6/25/20
    Added Icon Modifiers Kit
    Broke out accents to be combined in other sets
    Included standard accents in Base Kit
    Included Icon BAE keys with accents in BAE Kit
    Broke out ISO into its own kit, and included accents and Icon ISO Enter Keys with accents
    Added Split Spacebars Kit (note: Similar to the base kit, the longer 6u and 6.5u spacebars will be made in ABS)
  • 6/19/20
    Confirmed that the spacebars will be ABS
« Last Edit: Sat, 04 July 2020, 16:38:20 by FRANCO »

Offline Ulliam

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 11:57:28 »
You had me at DCS but hit damn. Amazing looking set sign me up for 5

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 11:58:24 »
Yes!~ More alps keysets please!!!
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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 11:58:35 »
Cool! I love this set, but I wish it was SA PBT or MT3. Also, BAE! WHAT?!   :eek: :D  :thumb:

Renders please

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 12:05:51 »
Very interested in this, already filled the form.
BTW, you should change the first question of the form, since it will only let you choose one option, you should use checkboxes.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 12:07:46 »
DCS PBT. Sign me up.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 12:13:14 »
You run it and I’ll join, that simple.
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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 12:14:31 »
I'm definitely interested. I filled out the form.

I have a Blue Alps TKL that is begging for these key caps haha. SimpleJA is one of my favourite sets.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 12:51:54 »
Filled out the form. Hopefully this makes it past IC. I haven't seen SP dye subs quality in awhile. Hopefully it's still decent.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 13:05:26 »
yas!

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 13:30:50 »
renders when?

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 13:57:24 »
renders when?

The problem with renders of DCS is that nobody actually has bothered to make DCS models, so they end up using cherry models, which is not exactly the same thing and could be potentially misleading. Not saying that renders are off the table completely, but just wanted to set expectations.

Offline Beni986

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 13:58:16 »
Will definitely be getting this :thumb:

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 14:13:40 »
Good ****.

Offline FRANCO

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 15:17:57 »
Very interested in this, already filled the form.
BTW, you should change the first question of the form, since it will only let you choose one option, you should use checkboxes.

Thank you for pointing out! Changed it a bit after you posted =)

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 15:30:52 »
Absolutely yes. I have 3 Alps builds planned for the future so any custom caps with wider compatibility would be great. Love seeing this and I'll keep an eye on the thread.
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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 16:10:36 »
Interested for sure

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 16:32:30 »
Ah yes. PBT and dye-sub caps for my lovely alps

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 16:58:25 »
Always need more Alps caps.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 20:49:41 »
need more alps caps too!

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 18 June 2020, 21:25:12 »
hi, yes

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 01:28:59 »
I would love to see the inclusion of the ISO keys in the Base kit instead of the Numpad kit.
Also ~ would love to see the removal of one row 4 1.25u shift as you have one in both the Base kit as well as the Numpad kit.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 06:09:34 »
Any chance of Alice spacebars being added to one of the kits? I want to do an alps build of my PhysiX at some point

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 08:43:00 »
Happy to see this and I think the colorway was a good choice. I echo the thoughts of others regarding DCS as the profile for it. Personally I'd like to see this with the KAT sculpt. Actually, ideally, I'd like to see an Alps set with the Apple IIc profile but I think that is a bit of a niche request currently.

Good luck with it. I will definitely be looking forward to the group buy for this.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 08:45:55 »
I'm very interested, good luck with running it.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 09:24:29 »
Very interested, which stabs are you going to use for this set?

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 09:40:19 »
Nice looking set! Any change for an icon mod option? Some pingmasters did have icon mods after all  ;D
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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 09:47:04 »
Very interested, which stabs are you going to use for this set?

this and what stabilizer does the BAE use? I'm contractually obligated to join any gb with a BAE but only if it uses a reasonable stabilizer. If it uses alps stabilizers and a rod or dummy switch for the top of the BAE then it would actually be compatible with the things I want to put it on.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 11:22:19 »
I'm in.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 13:34:41 »
Definitely interested! These caps actually remind me more of the Japanese IBM P70 keycaps or the IBM JX keycaps (but with katakana instead of hiragana) than the pingmaster... but that makes me like the caps even more.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 19 June 2020, 15:45:01 »
Very interested, which stabs are you going to use for this set?

this and what stabilizer does the BAE use? I'm contractually obligated to join any gb with a BAE but only if it uses a reasonable stabilizer. If it uses alps stabilizers and a rod or dummy switch for the top of the BAE then it would actually be compatible with the things I want to put it on.

The BAE should use MX stabilizers as I don't believe SP has the tooling necessary for Alps/Matias stabilizers

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 09:34:16 »
Will this be compatible with lunar aek? https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96112.0


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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 11:14:54 »
I am 100% in on this!

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 11:50:35 »
Looks great, would be down for a set :thumb:
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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 19:10:55 »
Very interested, which stabs are you going to use for this set?

this and what stabilizer does the BAE use? I'm contractually obligated to join any gb with a BAE but only if it uses a reasonable stabilizer. If it uses alps stabilizers and a rod or dummy switch for the top of the BAE then it would actually be compatible with the things I want to put it on.

The BAE should use MX stabilizers as I don't believe SP has the tooling necessary for Alps/Matias stabilizers


This is quite sad to hear as only Alphas are really going to be usable with most Alps Customs.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 21:58:01 »
will this keyset have a center stem capslock for kingsaver compat
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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 24 June 2020, 08:00:38 »
will this keyset have a center stem capslock for kingsaver compat

Why though? Kingsaver would require all new right side mods too since they’re 0.25u longer than the standard.

Also curious to know what kind of stabilizers this will be using as I’m not very familiar with SP’s PBT alps caps.
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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 24 June 2020, 08:55:06 »
will this keyset have a center stem capslock for kingsaver compat

Why though? Kingsaver would require all new right side mods too since they’re 0.25u longer than the standard.

Also curious to know what kind of stabilizers this will be using as I’m not very familiar with SP’s PBT alps caps.

It will use MX stabs. It's been stated that SP does not have the moulds for Alps stabs.

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 24 June 2020, 09:36:54 »
will this keyset have a center stem capslock for kingsaver compat

Why though? Kingsaver would require all new right side mods too since they’re 0.25u longer than the standard.


I figured that was a joke on the question about Lunar support, since using a set like this on either of them would be sort of missing the point of the case designs.

(The Wang caps lock stem is just the same as any other non-stepped Alps one anyway. DCS doesn't have the stab mounts but it doesn't really matter)

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 24 June 2020, 16:25:35 »
oh my god this is so beautiful i need this for my blue alps tkl, was gonna sla print some mx to alps adapters but i think i would much rather get this set. it would be amazing in SA or MT3 to be that much more like the pingmaster's caps (quite high profile iirc) but I'd imagine that the tooling necessary for that would cost quite a bit. any ideas of when you'd be considering running this?

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 05:35:31 »
nice

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/19: Small Update - Spacebar will be in ABS)
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 09:21:33 »
Any chance for special F row keys for AEK II ?

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 14:47:07 »
Very interested, which stabs are you going to use for this set?

this and what stabilizer does the BAE use? I'm contractually obligated to join any gb with a BAE but only if it uses a reasonable stabilizer. If it uses alps stabilizers and a rod or dummy switch for the top of the BAE then it would actually be compatible with the things I want to put it on.

The BAE should use MX stabilizers as I don't believe SP has the tooling necessary for Alps/Matias stabilizers


This is quite sad to hear as only Alphas are really going to be usable with most Alps Customs.

I feel you! I actually have been researching this and there are Alps to MX stab adapters. I'll try to find a link

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/25 Update! New Kits! Added Icon Modifiers!)
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 15:20:10 »
100% in

any chance of some more iso keys though? People who want ISO are going to pay for it if it costs a bit more and has more coverage.
« Last Edit: Thu, 25 June 2020, 15:59:31 by mode »

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/25 Update! New Kits! Added Icon Modifiers!)
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 17:06:50 »
 :D :D :D :D hi yes!!!

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/25 Update! New Kits! Added Icon Modifiers!)
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 19:44:03 »
Easily buying two sets (including numpad, icons, and spacebars)

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/25 Update! New Kits! Added Icon Modifiers!)
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 26 June 2020, 03:56:51 »
Also, why not have alphas in the icon kit? or even have seperate alphas, If you want alphas then you've gotta have two sets of mods, and it'd be better to have two full usable sets.

Gotta say, I think it doesn't make sense to split iso unless you add considerably more keys to the set, such a small ISO kit may as well be rolled into the main one. Again, please make ISO icon mods possible, add an icon small shift!

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/25 Update! New Kits! Added Icon Modifiers!)
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 26 June 2020, 08:19:57 »
I filled in the IC form, but I forgot to mention the following errors:

– All Enter legends seem to be spelling out "ESOTA–" instead of "ENTA–". It should be エター, not エター. The difference is subtle, but it's noticeable.

– Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Alt should be アルト, not アールト.

I'm all for new Alps keysets, but I'm going to be honest, all these silly direct translations of modifiers are getting out of hand. Trendiness aside, if good Japanese legends are what you're after, I think it kinda makes more sense to use ai03's translations, wouldn't it?
« Last Edit: Fri, 26 June 2020, 08:23:44 by platypusduck »

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Re: [IC] DCS Alps Pingmaster (6/25 Update! New Kits! Added Icon Modifiers!)
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 26 June 2020, 16:02:53 »
Also, why not have alphas in the icon kit? or even have seperate alphas, If you want the icons then you've gotta have two sets of mods, and it'd be better to have two full usable sets.

Gotta say, I think it doesn't make sense to split iso unless you add considerably more keys to the set, such a small ISO kit may as well be rolled into the main one. Again, please make ISO icon mods possible, add an icon small shift!