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Offline well_cooper

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Sound test is a lot better than I thought an all metal caps set would sound like!


Thanks Boba! Glad you like my potato sound recording setup :D

Offline well_cooper

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You will have something truly special if you can offer this at the price point you say you will

But it does lead to a lot of questions on my end on what "the catch" is in how you will be achieving this price point. Will you be machining the keycaps or through metal injection molding/casting? What bead blasting level will you be using? How are you doing the anodization? What's the tolerance level you will be achievement? What does "easily adjustable stem" mean (from the look of your stems, they don't seem that much different from typical alu keycap stems). I'm going to guess you mean that typical house tools will allow one to tighten or loosen the stem to fit different stems.

I realize the questions I ask may seem slightly conflict of interest-y but as someone in the same space, that price point seems too good to be true other than if you:
1. Own the CNC machines + anodization (which seems possible considering
2. Literally just paying for material cost
3. Operating in a crazy high volume (which doing the math at 100 sets, doesn't seem super high)
4. You're running your own fulfillment and logistics
5. Not using vendors to help you sell
 
Anyways. You don't need to answer my questions if you feel you're revealing too much.

Again, if you can pull this off at the price point, I would be incredibly impressed. And I root for you the entire way.
 
I would be incredibly impressed if you can maintain the alpha sets at $200 dollars. Manufacturing quality metal keycaps is not cheap, especially in high tolerances. I am curious how you're able to maintain such a low price point?

Accounting for machining, sandblasting (which I believe you have), anodizing, and other treatments, that's quite low of a cost per keycap.

I am guessing you are doing all of this in house, which can keep costs low.


Appericate your support on our project! Since I saw that video on Linus Tech Tips showing a full metal caps board really made me wanted one, I mean who wouldn't if the price is reasonable. That has been the starting point for this project. Discussing with multiple manufactures and optimzing the machining process started at the start of this year, the whole process was long and frustrating. Some designs seen on other metal novelty caps have to be left out to control cost (engraving on the inside) although I'm hoping to include in the future group buys.


To shed some light in your questions:
  • We are planning to run fulfillment and logistics by ourselves, keep marketing to the minimum and overheads to the lowest possible
  • Hight volume does allow us to have more leverage with manu to ensure adequate production time frame
  • No vendors for this project since we cannot afford vendor commission at this price point
  • ALL caps regardless its size will be CNC machined, sand blasted then anodized
  • We are thinking about tweaking sand blasting level to give it a slight rougher surface texture but I'm very happy with the proto set I'm currently typing on
  • Stems are easily adjustable with house tools (I've been using small piler and flat head screw driver), we are designing a specialized tool (optional purchase) to be released during GB phase to tighten and loosen stems
  • Anodizing colours are chosen to show off its metallic property hence no E-white or other crazy colours available at this point (will be offered in the future)


Offline well_cooper

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I must succeed with the heaviest board in existence. GIMME GIMMEEee


Super keen to see your proto!

Offline loop | esc lab

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You will have something truly special if you can offer this at the price point you say you will

But it does lead to a lot of questions on my end on what "the catch" is in how you will be achieving this price point. Will you be machining the keycaps or through metal injection molding/casting? What bead blasting level will you be using? How are you doing the anodization? What's the tolerance level you will be achievement? What does "easily adjustable stem" mean (from the look of your stems, they don't seem that much different from typical alu keycap stems). I'm going to guess you mean that typical house tools will allow one to tighten or loosen the stem to fit different stems.

I realize the questions I ask may seem slightly conflict of interest-y but as someone in the same space, that price point seems too good to be true other than if you:
1. Own the CNC machines + anodization (which seems possible considering
2. Literally just paying for material cost
3. Operating in a crazy high volume (which doing the math at 100 sets, doesn't seem super high)
4. You're running your own fulfillment and logistics
5. Not using vendors to help you sell
 
Anyways. You don't need to answer my questions if you feel you're revealing too much.

Again, if you can pull this off at the price point, I would be incredibly impressed. And I root for you the entire way.
 
I would be incredibly impressed if you can maintain the alpha sets at $200 dollars. Manufacturing quality metal keycaps is not cheap, especially in high tolerances. I am curious how you're able to maintain such a low price point?

Accounting for machining, sandblasting (which I believe you have), anodizing, and other treatments, that's quite low of a cost per keycap.

I am guessing you are doing all of this in house, which can keep costs low.


Appericate your support on our project! Since I saw that video on Linus Tech Tips showing a full metal caps board really made me wanted one, I mean who wouldn't if the price is reasonable. That has been the starting point for this project. Discussing with multiple manufactures and optimzing the machining process started at the start of this year, the whole process was long and frustrating. Some designs seen on other metal novelty caps have to be left out to control cost (engraving on the inside) although I'm hoping to include in the future group buys.


To shed some light in your questions:
  • We are planning to run fulfillment and logistics by ourselves, keep marketing to the minimum and overheads to the lowest possible
  • Hight volume does allow us to have more leverage with manu to ensure adequate production time frame
  • No vendors for this project since we cannot afford vendor commission at this price point
  • ALL caps regardless its size will be CNC machined, sand blasted then anodized
  • We are thinking about tweaking sand blasting level to give it a slight rougher surface texture but I'm very happy with the proto set I'm currently typing on
  • Stems are easily adjustable with house tools (I've been using small piler and flat head screw driver), we are designing a specialized tool (optional purchase) to be released during GB phase to tighten and loosen stems
  • Anodizing colours are chosen to show off its metallic property hence no E-white or other crazy colours available at this point (will be offered in the future)

 :thumb:

Offline yukitoki

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just need to add a in a series-00 shiny esc keycap  :eek:

Offline loop | esc lab

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just need to add a in a series-00 shiny esc keycap  :eek:


Coming Soon ™  :thumb:

Offline titanium

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If you find a way to mimic the scoop/curved F&J home row I will definitely be in. Not a fan of the nub/bar homing unfortunately

Offline well_cooper

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 21st Dec Update & Live Stream
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 06:10:08 »
My good friend and the all around super nice and fun streamer JPermz will stream tomorrow with a prototype set of full metal caps tomorrow at 7PM AEST 22nd Dec (or 3AM EST on  Dec 22nd).  Hope to see you there!

https://www.twitch.tv/jpermz

Offline SaraZera

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 21st Dec Update & Live Stream
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 10:40:44 »
These will be perfect for my next build. Now we play the waiting game.
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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 21st Dec Update & Live Stream
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 11:00:30 »
the mods are looking real nice, might get the mods and function keys
word 25 is the best typing test length

Offline well_cooper

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 29 Dec Update
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 28 December 2020, 10:05:57 »
These will be perfect for my next build. Now we play the waiting game.

The perfect banner combo does exist :cool:

the mods are looking real nice, might get the mods and function keys

Same colour or mix & match?

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Re: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 29 Dec Update
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 29 December 2020, 04:53:16 »
On the right egro board these could really pop.  Have you tested how tight they will fit.  The reason I ask is because sometimes RAMA caps are a little loose on the fit.
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Re: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 29 Dec Update
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 29 December 2020, 07:31:03 »
On the right egro board these could really pop.  Have you tested how tight they will fit.  The reason I ask is because sometimes RAMA caps are a little loose on the fit.

Cap stem tightness on our one can be easily adjusted. Tho I do notice some switches fits tighter (gat yellows, reds and black, ink series) and some fit slightly less tight (switches made by JWK in general)

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 14 Jan Laser etched sample
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 14 January 2021, 04:42:56 »
Second last update before GB! Lets go

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 14 Jan Laser etched sample
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 14 January 2021, 08:15:22 »
LETS GOOO  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 26 Jan Pre Production samples
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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 26 Jan Pre Production samples
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 14 February 2021, 16:18:17 »
Getting more tempting with every update.
  

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 26 Jan Pre Production samples
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 15 February 2021, 08:02:04 »
Starting to look better and better.
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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 16:56:33 »
Navy looks amazing. Making me second guess getting striker.

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 19:18:22 »
Any chance there will be blanks for ergo modifiers available? I would be in for multiple sets if it will be  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 04:25:15 »
Any chance there will be blanks for ergo modifiers available? I would be in for multiple sets if it will be  :thumb:

ergo dox?

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 05:02:33 »
Interesting sound test! I would be in if there is an option for frow set only!!! Glwic and wish you all the best for this! :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 20 February 2021, 20:40:30 »
F-Row set is available  ;D

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 21 February 2021, 12:17:21 »
Any chance there will be blanks for ergo modifiers available? I would be in for multiple sets if it will be  :thumb:

ergo dox?

Yes Ergo Dox please.

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Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:26:40 »
Any chance there will be blanks for ergo modifiers available? I would be in for multiple sets if it will be  :thumb:

ergo dox?

Yes Ergo Dox please.

Haven't seen Ergo Dox request coming up in the IC so far, perhaps in the future runs we will attempt to introduce that layout