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IRON160 by Smith + Rune
 




Okay community you've won, we finally made a 60...

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We've taken the IRON165r2 and chopped off a row of keys! Well we did a bit more than that, making small changes and tweaks along the way to further improve the IRON design, but it sounds a lot more fun describing it that way.

Oh, and we brought plum back!




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IRON160 General Questions and Feedback #1

IRON160 Plate and PCB Questions and Feedback


Timeline, Vendors, and Quantities

Group Buy Start Time

The group buy will go live April 30th, 2022 at 10 AM EDT worldwide!

Vendors, Pricing and Quantities

We're once again partnering up with CannonKeys in the US, DeskHero in Canada, MyKeyboard in the EU, and iLumkb in the SEA market to handle sales once again.

If you are unsure which vendor covers the country you live in, please reach out to the vendors directly to confirm.

Limit 1 per order.

Vendor Links and Pricing

Choosing the copper bottom replaces the standard aluminum bottom, you will not receive both.

CannonKeys - North/Central/South America Vendor (excluding Canada)

1000 boards, CannonKeys hybrid FCFS/raffle checkout

$479 USD w/black anodized aluminum bottom
$699 USD w/full copper bottom (sandblasted, matte finish, not brushed)

DeskHero - Canadian Vendor

$649 CAD w/black anodized aluminum bottom
$945 CAD w/full copper bottom (sandblasted, matte finish, not brushed)

200 boards, custom raffle/queue checkout

MyKeyboard EU - European Vendor

300 boards, FCFS

€509 inc VAT (€421 wo/VAT) w/black anodized aluminum bottom
€739 inc VAT (€611 wo/VAT) w/full copper bottom (sandblasted, matte finish, not brushed)

iLumkb - AP Vendor

500 boards, FCFS

$689 SGD inc GST w/black anodized aluminum bottom
$1009 SGD inc GST w/full copper bottom (sandblasted, matte finish, not brushed)


Iron160 Features

  • Choice of WK, WKL, or MX HHKB top
  • 7 Degree Typing Angle
  • Full Gasket Isolation Mount
  • Bottom Accent Plate w/exposed rune logo
  • Low-Profile Front Height (less than 17.25mm)
  • Seamless Case Design
  • QMK/VIA compatible PCB, designed in collaboration with Gondolindrim, choice of hotswap or solderable
  • Unified C3 USB-C daughterboard (centered on case)
  • Optimized plate for consistency on every key press (see analysis below)


Iron160 Colors

Each board comes with a black anodized aluminum base and contrasting aluminum accent "weight". Please refer to the prototype photos and renders for a visual depiction.

  • Black
  • Plum
  • Rosewater


Add-ons and Extras (All prices listed in EUR include VAT, all prices listed in SGD include GST)


  • Hotswap PCB w/daughterboard and JST cable - $60 USD / €65 EUR / $89 SGD / $82 CAD
  • Solderable PCB w/daughterboard and JST cable - $60 USD / €65 EUR / $89 SGD / $82 CAD
  • Copper plate - $50 USD / €55 EUR / $74 SGD / $68 CAD
  • Forged carbon plate - $50 USD / €55 EUR / $74 SGD / $68 CAD
  • FR4 plate - $30 USD / €35 EUR / $44 SGD / $41 CAD
  • Polypropylene plate - $40 USD / €45 EUR / $59 SGD / $54 CAD
  • Polycarbonate plate - $40 USD / €45 EUR / $59 SGD / $54 CAD
  • Aluminum plate - $40 USD / €45 EUR / $59 SGD / $54 CAD
  • Brushed brass accent weight (compatible with IRON165r2) - $60 USD / €65 EUR / $89 SGD / $82 CAD
  • Brushed copper accent weight (compatible with IRON165r2) - $65 USD / €70 EUR / $95 SGD / $88 CAD
  • Brushed stainless steel accent weight (compatible with IRON165r2) - $90 USD / €95 EUR / $132 SGD / $122 CAD
  • Salvun copper artisan keycap - $60 USD / €60 EUR / $89 SGD / $82 CAD
  • Smith + Rune artisan keycaps available in all three colors (anodized aluminum) - $38 USD / €42 EUR / $56 SGD / $52 CAD
  • Extra gasket set - $8 USD / €10 EUR / $12 SGD / $11 CAD


Supported Layouts

There will be three plate layout options, semi-fixed. All plates support split backspace and stepped caps. ISO plates may not be available from all vendors.

  • Tsangan (7u bottom row)
  • ANSI (6.25u bottom row)
  • ISO

  • If a hotswap PCB is chosen, your kit will come with a Tsangan plate which is the ONLY compatible plate with a hotswap PCB.
  • Due to physical key compatibility with the case, an ANSI plate is only an option when choosing a WK top.
  • Due to physical key compatibility with the case, WKL and MX HHKB tops will come with a Tsangan or ISO plate, both of which are compatible options.
  • ISO only supports a 7u bottom row, but is compatible with all three top options.
  • There is no ISO or 6.25u bottom row option for the hotswap PCB. Please refer to the PCB layouts below.


Solderable PCB Supported Layouts



Hotswap PCB Supported Layouts




Optimized Plate, the Process, and FEA analysis





Using FEA (finite element analysis) we were able to measure the simulated force on each switch plate hole to see how the plate would react to this force. The maximum displacement was recorded for every switch plate hole and relief cuts were added to the plate (iteratively) to try and make the displacement equal across all switch holes.  The results are measured in max displacement in mm 10^-2.  See the original IRON165 IC for details on how we went through testing methods.


What's In The Box

  • Iron160 Keyboard
  • Aluminum Plate
  • PCB, USB-C Daughterboard, and JST cable, choice of either Hotswap or Solderable
  • Gaskets and all mounting hardware
  • Custom screws for flush-mount look
  • New custom carrying hard case w/CNC foam inserts


I have a question about something that isn’t covered here!

This interest check is legitimately that and not everything has been figured out. It's possible the reason your question isn't covered is because we're still relying on feedback to make a decision. Please please please fill out the forms at the top of the IC. They will help us out immensely.

Or you could shoot us an email, visit our instagram, or join our Discord. Definitely, definitely join our Discord.

Links are at the top.


How do I stay up to date on this project?

You can follow along here, on Instagram, and Discord. You can also join our newsletter via our site. Links at the top.


Black Prototype (not renders)






Plum Prototype (not renders)








Rosewater Prototype (not renders)








Renders














Interest Check Disclaimer

Keep in mind this is an interest check. Nothing, including options, pricing, etc, is final until the GB starts. This IC represents the most correct, up-to-date information we have regarding the IRON160 at this time. Some things may change.

We will be announcing any changes, if any, here first, and on Discord as well.


Special Thanks

  • lbaron, boneandbee, and the rest of S+R staff, best team ever!
  • The entire Smith + Rune community, a bright light in a sometimes very dark world.
  • Everyone who has supported us along the way. We couldn't have got to this point without you!
« Last Edit: Fri, 29 April 2022, 11:05:32 by voxkey »

Offline voxkey

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:33:38 »
Updates - April 28th, 2022

  • Pricing and sale formats has been updated for ALL regions.
  • Hotswap can now be chosen as on option with the kit. No need to purchase it separately. This decision was largely based on feedback from you, the community.
  • Necessary info has been added to the supported layouts section regarding plate and PCB options.


Updates - April 18th, 2022

  • We finally have pricing!
  • Custom screws will now be standard. We liked how all screws sat flush on the IRON180 so much that we've decided to continue this evolution by having custom screws made with the spacer built in.
  • We're revisiting the carrying case and making improvements. We're ditching the old foam for CNC'd foam and making a few more updates without sacrificing the protection the case provides.
  • An upgraded copper bottom will be offered. The feedback overwhelmingly pointed towards copper.


Updates - April 8th, 2022

  • Group buy date have been announced.
  • Vendors and quantities available have been announced.
  • Hotswap PCB will be available as an addon at the time of the group buy. Each IRON160 will come standard with a solderable PCB. This way we can still continue to support all layouts.
  • Polycarbonate and polypropylene plates will be available in addition to the forged carbon and aluminum plates.
  • Salvun artisan keycaps will be returning.
  • Smith + Rune artisan keycaps will also be available in all three board colors (like the ones offered with IRON180).
  • Brushed finish has been chosen for the brass, copper, and stainless steel accent weights.
  • Solid brass OR copper upgraded bottom, similar to what we offered on the 180. Please fill out the IC form and let us know what you prefer!

Updates - April 3rd, 2022

Upcoming additions to the group buy. We're hoping to finalize many of these options this week.

  • Hotswap PCB - we're not sure on layouts or how this will be offered, but we are 100% sure you'll be able to get one at group buy along with your IRON160!
  • Brass, copper, and stainless steel accent weights will be returning for this group buy as well. Still deciding on finish options. These will be compatible with IRON165r2 and vice versa.
  • Forged carbon plates will be offered as an addon. We're on the fence about offering a second option like PC so make sure to fill out those forms.
  • A ton of people want to see an upgraded alternate base option like we offered on the IRON180. Maybe brass or copper? Make sure to fill out the forms.
« Last Edit: Thu, 28 April 2022, 14:07:54 by voxkey »

Offline Rik.caffeinated

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:34:45 »
PLUM IS BACK BABY!

Offline Chippy

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:37:47 »
Kinda cute.
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Offline yoniwolf1202

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:37:58 »
Woooooo

Offline hover0423

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:38:08 »
Nice color~


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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:38:28 »
Plum
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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:38:36 »

Offline Visionaire

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:38:40 »
PLUM IS BACK BABY!

Man, Rik first. He's on it.

Offline mixistor

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:39:00 »
Sheeeeeesh, plum is amazing :eek:

Offline boyjun

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:39:04 »
very nice

Offline novelflyer

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:40:09 »
Rosewater looks really nice

Offline totalemon

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:41:47 »
60s aren't my thing but this looks fantastic. best of luck luke and vox <3

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:42:27 »
60 so good.

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:42:30 »
will you be addressing the wkl blockers

Offline misswaffle

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:42:45 »
So happy to see plum return!

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:44:29 »
Yep.

Offline KneeDeep

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:45:58 »
Been super stoked for this announcement, congrats guys!

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:46:31 »
I'm in for plum for sure.

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:47:22 »
rosewater good

Offline MOON

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:47:37 »
Does it have RGB and work with my DZ60 PCB?

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:48:24 »
boring

Offline lbaron

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:48:51 »
will you be addressing the wkl blockers

We listened too what the community wants and addressed it for this board.

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:53:46 »
can i have one pls

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:57:30 »
I want this right now. Not a year from now. Right now.
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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 21:59:39 »
hopefully, blockers are fine this time. :)

Offline Dianoda

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:06:57 »
Got to go hands on with a few of the (unbuilt) protos at a recent meetup, very nice in person and the maroon HHKB was a beaut.  Very much looking forward to this one!

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:08:40 »
lets gooooo
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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:13:06 »
Listen up people, you'll be allowed to purchase yours once my Rose Water is secured in cart and successfully checked out.
« Last Edit: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:15:02 by tsukune1349 »

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:31:02 »
We listened too what the community wants and addressed it for this board.

what was the content of the message exactly? i feel like something as important as that should be in the main post too, considering some of the other comments i've seen

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:33:44 »
is there finally no chode
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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:39:22 »
 :-*

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:44:08 »
Nice to see. Brass bottom and possibly a white would pique my interest.

Offline HelloThisIsDog

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:46:54 »
This will be all alu only, no brass options?

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 22:59:11 »
Definitely in for an HHKB.

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 23:00:08 »
Iron, so hot right now.
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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 23:11:17 »
The mad lads at SR has finally answered the call. 60% with the option of HHKB blockers. Bless up and also PLUM!

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 23:16:43 »
will plate files be available?

Offline IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 23:20:25 »
Nice to see. Brass bottom and possibly a white would pique my interest.

+1 for brass bottom, but maybe that’s too many SKUs. Thanks for my 180, nice work as always.

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 23:34:17 »
I NEED THIS IN PLUM PLZZZZ! ;D ;D

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 23:34:41 »
will plate files be available?

After GB fulfillment we will release plate files

Offline lbaron

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 23:36:53 »
Nice to see. Brass bottom and possibly a white would pique my interest.

+1 for brass bottom, but maybe that’s too many SKUs. Thanks for my 180, nice work as always.

We’ll be launching a IC form soon to gather feedback about things like Hotswap PCB interest, additional weights for the bottom (brass, copper, stainless) and finishes for them. While a solid brass bottom is most likely not in the works, weights like Iron165 r2 are being discussed.

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 17 March 2022, 23:40:22 »
Really happy to see hhkb here.

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 18 March 2022, 01:06:06 »
WK stonks

Offline Koniotaur

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 18 March 2022, 01:10:58 »
We listened too what the community wants and addressed it for this board.

what was the content of the message exactly? i feel like something as important as that should be in the main post too, considering some of the other comments i've seen

Bump, I'd like to know as well.

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 18 March 2022, 02:51:20 »
Very nice :thumb:

Offline samuelcc

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 18 March 2022, 02:54:39 »
Will the wkl blocker the same as the other boards or there will be IRON design choices taken in it?

Besides that, is there anything people should know about for this board that's different from other board? Ya know, there's no "standard" in keyboards and anything can be cut off 1mm for "design".

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 18 March 2022, 03:02:38 »
 want bigger bumpons

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 18 March 2022, 03:29:38 »
Oh my. Oh my!

Offline borgirrrrr

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Re: [IC] IRON160 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 18 March 2022, 03:29:46 »
Missing your smith and rune logo! It was definitely a nice touch, what if you guys input it somewhere on the left or right lower part of the board? Still nice regardless though, will definitely cop