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[IC] IRON165 by Smith + Rune (SE Color Poll Added)
« on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:29:09 »
IRON165 by Smith + Rune



After almost a year in research and development, we are excited to present the IRON165 by Smith + Rune. Rather than drawing inspiration from things outside our community, we focused on the incredible designs the community itself has created over the years. The IRON165 aims to be a distillation of these positive innovations, included in one premium board.

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Iron165 SE Color Poll, go vote!



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Please reference the second post for updates
Please reference the third post for additional renders
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Group Buy Timeline

We are currently targeting late September or early October. We'll have more details coming very soon.

Vendors and Quantities

Standard Edition

We're very proud to announce we've partnered up with CannonKeys in the US, MyKeyboard in the EU, and ILUMKB in the AP/China market to handle all sales of the Iron165 SE.

What this hopefully means, and why we're so excited to work with these amazing stores, is that we should be able to offer not only a smoother buying experience, but also a higher quantity of boards than we initially thought possible.

USA - CannonKeys - Up to 100 boards
EU - MyKeyboard - Up to 50 boards
AP - ILUMKB - Up to 50 boards


Founder's Edition

The Iron165 FE will be limited to 25 total serialized units, never to be made again. We will be handling the group buy for these directly. There will be a public raffle for 10 total group buy spots.

Features
  • 7 Degree Typing Angle
  • Full Gasket Isolation Mount
  • Low-profile Front Height (less than 17mm)
  • Seamless Design
  • USB-C, Centered w/Daughterboard
  • Plate Optimized for consistency on every key press (see below)
  • PCB compatible with QMK, and hopefully VIA support

Founderís Edition Features

  • Full copper base, satin finish, clear-coated
  • Copper plate, satin finish, clear-coated
  • Copper blocker badge, satin finish, clear-coated
  • Stainless steel top shell, available in E-white or E-black
  • Precision-cut foam between PCB and plate by MKUltra Corp
  • Limited to 25 serialized boards
  • $885 USD

Standard Edition Features
  • Aluminum base, anodized
  • Large brass weight, satin finish, clear-coated
  • Aluminum top shell, anodized
  • Aluminum blocker badge, anodized
  • Brass plate, satin finish, clear-coated
  • Accented colors (top shell will be one color, badge and base will be another)
  • ~$445 USD / 480Ä inc. VAT

Layout Options (see FAQ for ISO-related info)



Optimized Plate, the Process, and FEA analysis

More

Keyboard plate FEA analysis was wanted to measure deflection and try to achieve a uniform plate deflection distribution across the keyboard.  This concept has been done before with the Omega60 talking about mounting points.  One of the first criticisms was that without a PCB and switch the study was worthless.  I started out by modeling a small sample before moving to a full size plate.  I constructed a small plate made of brass, switch made of POM, and PCB made of resin injected plastic.



I wanted to see the difference in displacement just a plate and a fully modeled with PCB, switches and Plate.  With modeling of the entire system, there are two options in consideration:

Fully bonded - Solidworks treats the model as though it was fully welded together at every contact point.
No Penetration - Materials wont move through each other but can move independently from other models.

I estimated typing force to be around 2N max on each key as I measured my repeated tapping on a scale at 200g as the hardest I would ever really type (and I like to bottom out).



Next is the fully bonded model with plate and switches.  Again a 2N force is applied to the top of the switch model with fixtures mounted at the four screw holes.



Lastly is the most realistic model the no penetration.  Same force and Fixture as above.  Notice how the displacement doesnt flow as uniformily through the switches vs the fully bonded model above.  You'll also see the displacement pattern is more similiar to that of just the plate.



If you compare the displacement results we conclude that just a plate can be used to model displacement without the extra PCB and switch modeling effort.  The displacement of the plate model is approx 35% more than the plate with stiffness of PCB and Switches added to it. 

Since each switch has to be setup and run individually I concentrated on making just the alphas as consistent as possible.  This is still a work in progress, but here are the initial results.

This was the stock designed plate mounted with gaskets.  Numbers in each switch represent the maximum deflection in millimeters for a 2N force:



Adding in relief cuts we can try to make the lower deflecting keys increase to the same deflection of the higher deflecting keys.  This resulted in a decrease in standard deviation of 25% and a decrease in range by 35%.






FE Renders by Abec13 (additional renders in the third post)











SE Renders by Abec13 (additional renders in the third post)













FAQ

New studio? New board? Why should we trust you?

While this is a first in the keyboard community for us, we are proud of the team weíve put together. Combined, we bring ten years mechanical engineering experience and five years of supply-chain management for small-batch, boutique products in other industries.

Smith + Rune is grounded in basic engineering principles, with a touch of magic and mysticism created by this wonderful community.

The rune logo is cool! Does it mean anything?

The two Norse runes featured in our logo, Sowilo and Raido, come from the Elder Futhark alphabet, the oldest form of runic alphabets. Sowilo means strength, power, success, while Raido roughly translates to ride, or journey. Together they form a bindrune, drawing the power of both into one creating a charm to ensure a successful endeavor and bringing a bit of luck to your desktop.


Why is it named IRON165? Whereís all the iron?

The iron industry essentially shaped the industrial revolution of the 1800ís. Its ubiquity has led to its inclusion in nearly every industry. Iron is used to create many of the tools or machine parts we use today.

A keyboard is essentially a modern, but basic tool we use daily and we kept this central in our design choices. While beautiful, we placed function over form when designing the IRON165. In its simplest form, it had to be the best at being a tool first. Something durable, sturdy and a pleasure to use.

While not constructed entirely from iron (although steel is made with iron), we felt this board embodied the more abstract sense of the word. Iron is strong, iron is reliable, iron is long-lasting.

What colors will be available for the SE?

We've leaning towards offering two color combinations for the first round. What that means is one color will be chosen for the top shell, while the other will be used as an accent on both the base and the badge. We have multiple color anodizing samples on order currently to make sure that we are happy with the colors we're currently considering.

Whoa! Whereís the ISO support?

We will support ISO if enough interest is shown, but all of our plate files will be made open-source (including ISO) regardless. So even if youíre an avid ISO user and we donít have an ISO plate, youíll be able to get one made. We will also be optimizing our ISO plate for consistency, just like our other plates.

The PCB will support ISO out-of-the-box.

What parts will be user-replaceable?

Our hope is that everything, except the case itself will be user-replaceable in some form or fashion. One of our main goals when designing this board was to make absolutely sure that no IRON165 will ever become a glorified paperweight.

The renders are amazing! Wow! Who did those?

All of our renders came from the amazing Abec13! We canít thank him enough!

Interest Check Disclaimer

Keep in mind this is an interest check. Nothing, including options, pricing, etc, is final until the GB starts. This IC represents the most correct, up-to-date information we have regarding the Iron165 at this time. Based on prototyping and manufacturing samples, some things may change.

We will be announcing any changes, if any, here first, and on Discord as well.


Shoutouts

My most sincerest thanks go out to the other half of Smith + Rune, lBaron. Without you, this board wouldíve never made it this far.

We want to thank those that have supported us from the very beginning of this project, including Langelandia, bhk1004, Spade, Eskimojo, Full / Aslejoh, Minterly, Oldcat, Capsy, and the rest of the Gray Studio and TYL discords. I likely missed some names, but you know who you are.

We also want to thank the community as a whole including the designers, vendors, and of course, the streamers and content creators. You are part of what makes a project like this so fun and rewarding. Watching this community grow has been incredible!



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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:29:24 »
Current Progress / Change Log / Updates

Sunday, August 11th, 2019

  • More vendor announcements (MyKeyboard in the EU, ILUMKB in AP)
  • Added more SE renders to the third post

Sunday, August 4th, 2019

  • Announced tentative group buy start date (late September, early October)
  • Announced pricing and quantities
  • Announced CannonKeys as USA vendor
  • Updated FAQ.

Saturday, July 20th, 2019

  • Prototypes have been ordered along with ALL color and finish samples for both the FE and SE versions of the Iron165!
  • Colors and finishes have been updated and finalized for the FE version, pending approval of the prototype.
  • Colors for the SE are still being considered. Along with the prototype, we have ordered multiple anodizing color samples and finishes.
  • Renders of the SE version have been added.
  • Supply chain is nearly finalized, provided the prototypes live up to our high quality standards. We are expecting this to be the case.
  • A rough timeline has been set for the group buy. It's looking like September or October.
  • Updated FAQ.
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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:29:32 »
FE Renders by Abec13







SE Renders by Abec13























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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:30:15 »
Oh wow!! So friggin awesome! :o Good luck guys!
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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:31:32 »
Beeeeg nut

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:32:28 »
Oh wow.

Yes please.

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:32:52 »
POGGERS

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:34:38 »
One of the best boards I have seen!!!!

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:34:51 »
Amazing design, I will follow this project closely.

Thank you for releasing the plate files because I would like to use an ISO layout.

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:36:25 »
I feel broke just looking at this

I'm so excited you guys

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:36:51 »
Ummm. Wtf took so long slacker.


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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:38:21 »
I got such talented friends!!!   :)) This is gonna be an awesome board.

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:38:40 »
The materials look very nice.  I also like the rune detail.  How far recessed are the bottoms of the keycaps when mounted? There are no renders of a side view so itís hard to tell.  From the first image, they look almost even with the top edge.  I think most of us prefer the caps to sit slightly lower
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:)

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:39:03 »
Looks great! I'm definitely in for this <3

Would love to see a navy or baby blue version too.

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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:40:58 »
gimme brass or gimme death

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:42:21 »
The materials look very nice.  I also like the rune detail.  How far recessed are the bottoms of the keycaps when mounted? There are no renders of a side view so itís hard to tell.  From the first image, they look almost even with the top edge.  I think most of us prefer the caps to sit slightly lower

Top bezel is 7mm + gasket above the switch plate

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:42:44 »
Lemme in!

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:42:56 »
Love the FEA, that rose gold colour better not just be a render because it's so pretty. What's expected cost?

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:43:17 »
This board is so sick. :eek:

Beautiful design and the amount of research you've put into it is impressive.
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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:43:57 »
All in

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:49:45 »
Gorgeous board! All in!


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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:50:16 »
This is the keyboard I've been looking for. Can't wait for the GB!

Have you considered a metallic grey finish?

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:50:25 »
Extremely exciting project, beautifully designed and hopefully all that excitement and desire remains once the estimated price is announced (unlike a couple other similar designs).

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:50:25 »
Lovely board! Saw this on reddit and was wondering what the board was! Consider me in!

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 14:11:06 »
Super clean, been seeing the teasers on IG. The back is giving me some 7V vibes. I dig.

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 14:13:07 »
INJECT THIS INTO MY VEINS

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 14:13:15 »
Looking forward to it!

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 14:24:16 »
"limited quantity" again... :mad:

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 14:27:39 »
IN!

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 14:29:52 »
O lawd

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Re: [IC] IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 14:42:10 »
Looks really good. Iíll be trying hard for a spot on this one.

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 14:45:36 »
Design looks gorgeous dudes, really digging the back weight/ bottom. It's just so damn clean!

I'll be following this

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 15:26:49 »
I hate you, I was just beginning to settle down, following my buying plan, and starting to finally have savings.

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 16:03:30 »
This is beautiful. Definitely interested depending on availability and price!

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 16:31:43 »
Copper base and gaskets? I'm in duder  :thumb:

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 16:36:41 »
This looks very beautiful. I'm interested.

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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 16:40:52 »
The materials look very nice.  I also like the rune detail.  How far recessed are the bottoms of the keycaps when mounted? There are no renders of a side view so itís hard to tell.  From the first image, they look almost even with the top edge.  I think most of us prefer the caps to sit slightly lower

Top bezel is 7mm + gasket above the switch plate

Okay, Iím not versed enough in the specifics to judge.  It looks like, from this diagram (which appears accurate since Iíve found the same in other diagrams), that the switch sticks up 6.6mm above the plate and the. Another 3.6mm to the top of the stem. 



What I cannot seem to find is the height of a GMK keycap (depth of stem inserts and skirt height), to finish the equation.  Is there a standard that designers use?
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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 16:47:49 »
Hot damn! Very interested

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Re: IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 17:14:20 »
The materials look very nice.  I also like the rune detail.  How far recessed are the bottoms of the keycaps when mounted? There are no renders of a side view so it’s hard to tell.  From the first image, they look almost even with the top edge.  I think most of us prefer the caps to sit slightly lower

Top bezel is 7mm + gasket above the switch plate

Okay, I’m not versed enough in the specifics to judge.  It looks like, from this diagram (which appears accurate since I’ve found the same in other diagrams), that the switch sticks up 6.6mm above the plate and the. Another 3.6mm to the top of the stem. 

(Attachment Link)

What I cannot seem to find is the height of a GMK keycap (depth of stem inserts and skirt height), to finish the equation.  Is there a standard that designers use?

Majority of boards are 7mm (including 268.1 for comparison).. Not enough imo, 7.5 is better. 7.8+ drowns the caps too much. Something like M65-A would be 6mm.
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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 17:18:46 »
Yeah it seemed that 7mm was standard when designing. Then itíll be a little bit above cause of gasket compression but no more than .25mm or so.

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« Reply #40 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 17:20:42 »
In for the white depending on price  :))

Fantastic presentation btw.

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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 17:35:12 »
Thanks for the feedback, all.  I own the 268.1 and it is indeed almost exactly flush from case top edge to bottom of GMK caps.  Donít suppose we convince you to adjust the design closer to 7.5mm? Especially since the inner edge has a fillet
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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 17:42:50 »
It wouldnít be hard from a design perspective but a huge design goal was to have as low as possible front bezel.

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Re: [IC] IRON165 by Smith + Rune
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 17:47:33 »
Yeah it seemed that 7mm was standard when designing. Then itíll be a little bit above cause of gasket compression but no more than .25mm or so.

I learnt with a gasket board that even .1mm off can change it visually a lot. Double the gap sorta thing. Worth considering maybe, sure you have though.

It wouldnít be hard from a design perspective but a huge design goal was to have as low as possible front bezel.

The switches still sit at the same level when changing bezel height though.

I've always argued it's the height the switches sit at, not strictly the front height (due to changing bezel heights).
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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 17:52:41 »
Is that rose gold plate and weight going to be in the gb?

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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 18:01:03 »
Any idea about prices?

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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 18:40:29 »
Why are you doing this to me... Now I want this badly... This is a wallet killing hobby.... but I LOVE IT!

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« Reply #47 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 19:43:36 »
Is that rose gold plate and weight going to be in the gb?

Those are polished copper
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« Reply #48 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 20:14:44 »
I hope the pricing is competitive for this! :)

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« Reply #49 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 20:17:50 »
Oh wow this is a beautiful looking kit. Absolutely looking forward to more information ab it.