Author Topic: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO! (Read 141550 times)

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #150 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:15:36 »

Quote from: ripster;247139

I don't remember getting a choice there.

I like polls - what's a CSV?

Comma separated values. Survey tools like LimeSurvey will put out to it and it's pretty compatible with everything (works with Excel too; so you can export the CSV, Excel can convert it to an XLS, and then you can run whatever VLOOKUPs, SUMs, and formulas if you want.

Simple but effective file format.

Or you can open it in an entirely different program if you choose.

Lanx · « **Reply #151 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:17:52 »

Quote from: Phaedrus2129;247135

Damfino. I'm using a Harbor Freight Tools $20 special. Centech I believe. Works well enough for my needs.

at the end pages of some magazines (maxum, pop sci) there is usually a harbor freight coupon page and usually the digital caliper is 8bucks w/ coupon (or 10?)

Phaedrus2129 · « **Reply #152 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:19:58 »

Quote from: Lanx;247150

at the end pages of some magazines (maxum, pop sci) there is usually a harbor freight coupon page and usually the digital caliper is 8bucks w/ coupon (or 10?)

IIRC they had three; one $15 one that came in a half-blister package (probably the coupon one), my $25 Centech one which came with a case and a couple extra batteries, and a branded one that cost $45.

Phaedrus2129 · « **Reply #153 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:27:13 »

Wait... What setting was my caliper on?

One sec

Edit: Derpaderp. It was set to imperial. Those measurements are inches.

Phaedrus2129 · « **Reply #154 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:37:40 »

Yay!

Ok, here's another thing to consider.

Nubs for F, J, and 5

I vote the centered dot style if possible.

Mr. Perfect · « **Reply #155 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 19:47:49 »

The blue on black looks sweet. I wonder if they have a shade of blue that matches the blue LEDs on the Filco brown boards. :wink:

What does the gaming booster pack consist of? Colored WASD keys?

Fwiffo · « **Reply #156 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 19:58:36 »

There's not been any discussion of what a gaming booster pack might consist of. Special colored WASD keys would probably be part of the base set. I was thinking a gaming pack might include keys with special icons, but the number of icons, games, etc. may make it cost prohibitive.

Lanx · « **Reply #157 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 20:56:46 »

oh man game keys would be awesome!
fireball (hadoken)
pistol
knife
machinegun
hurricane
2 boots
shield
grenade
lightning bolt
tire

10 possible icons that could probably be used in most games and interchanged.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #158 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:02:17 »

fwiffo, if you want, I can set up a LimeSurvey instance on a free web host. That'd allow you to conduct a survey (with images and a variety of question forms) and get usable data regarding what people's preferences are to a much greater degree than a vBulletin poll allows.

I just need a little advance notice to set up Limesurvey on a free webhost (it'll support SQL, but it'll get slow if more than a couple people are on at the same time. We're not serving video, so I doubt that'll be a huge problem).

Anyhow, let me know.

Phaedrus2129 · « **Reply #159 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:47:43 »

Maybe do two gaming booster packs. One for FPS, one for fantasy.

Most FPS games have a pretty consistent weapons system.
1 - melee
2 - pistol(s)
3 - SMG(s)
4 - shotgun(s) OR sniper(s)
5 - explosives
6,7,8 - special (could use lightning bolt as a generic)

Those keys would fit 90% of FPS games I've played. Really since those would all be on the number row you'd just need melee, pistol, SMG, shotgun, sniper, grenade or TNT or something, and a few lightning symbols. Don't even bother with the shift key or anything like that, just the weapon selection would be awesome enough for most I think.

The great thing about something like that is it can be marketed to the OCN gaming crowd. You could do a batch of 50 booster packs, then hawk them on OCN and other gaming forums. Might even be able to convince people to get mechanical keyboards, just for the awesome custom keycaps.

Fwiffo · « **Reply #160 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:21:12 »

re: surveys - I'm not too worried about it at this point, but I'll keep that in mind. I figure whoever puts themselves in charge of organizing the order gets ultimate veto power over the set. :-) Anyhow, I'm a programmer at a web development firm and could put up a survey or whatever on one of my own domains. Again, I'm looking at doing this order in the new year.

re: game booster packs - I'm still inquiring about what kind of pricing we're looking at for custom art on double-shot keycaps. It could easily be in the range of $5 per key. Yeah, there might be a market for such keys, but $40 for a set is probably going to be too steep for most people.

I was really thinking about SCII packs, but the number of combinations is a lot more complicated. Even if I just did number hot-keys, the combinations of the number of units, buildings, etc. If I did unit or building hotkeys, that's even more icons and I have to handle both standard and grid layout for all three races... And the time it will take to develop all the art that looks good in two colors and fits the detail restrictions...

Quote from: The Ebullient Melissa at Signature Plastic

We are a bit limited on the detail with the 2-shot process as there has to be adequate room for material to flow on the keycap. The general rule is if there are gaps or 'islands' on a character, the space must be at least 0.008".

I'm going to bite the bullet and getting a sample ring of the available colors -- it's 35 bucks, but I figure I can send it off to the person who organizes the next project after me.

Mr. Perfect · « **Reply #161 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:31:12 »

SC2 packs would be a pretty big hit with the Koreans buying up all the Filco boards.:suspicious:

Was the Filco font extra?

Fwiffo · « **Reply #162 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:44:03 »

Filco font is a no-go. They were talking about doing it, but they've actually been backlogged and doing something like adding a new font is a huge project. It doesn't look like it's going to be available anytime in the near future.

bakageta · « **Reply #163 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:48:21 »

Aww... What other options for font do we have then?

Fwiffo · « **Reply #164 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:56:05 »

Different sizes and placements of the same font. :-/

bakageta · « **Reply #165 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:44:11 »

Well, I suppose if they were roughly the same size/location as the Filco keys I'd be ok with that. I'd just rather not have the giant retro look going on.

MyNameIsDan · « **Reply #166 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:48:25 »

Quote from: bakageta;247382

Well, I suppose if they were roughly the same size/location as the Filco keys I'd be ok with that. I'd just rather not have the giant retro look going on.

I'm with you. The first round on double shots looked a little funny with the huge retro letters in dead center. Filco placement and font is just too nice. At least having the placement like the Filco would be great.

strikeme · « **Reply #167 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:51:08 »

That's why blanks make so much sense.
1) no font problems or disputes
2) cost less (probably)
3) they're awesome!

MyNameIsDan · « **Reply #168 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:51:51 »

I'd be down for blanks too, just black blanks

Well, I guess whatever goes well with majestouch, the orange was too much for me.

Azuremen · « **Reply #169 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:54:11 »

I'm down for blanks. If we do go with legends, I would like it if they were small and in the upper left or some such. They are kind of nice to have sometimes for those of us that aren't perfect touch typists, but certainly don't need much contrast I feel.

Fwiffo · « **Reply #170 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 01:05:59 »

I have inquired about prices/options on blanks. I'm certain they'll be much cheaper than custom-manufactured double-shots anyhow. But no reason it couldn't be part of one big order to get the maximum possible price-break. And I have gotten kinda excited about purple or blue legends on black keys.

bakageta · « **Reply #171 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 01:08:49 »

Quote from: MyNameIsDan;247386

I'd be down for blanks too, just black blanks
Well, I guess whatever goes well with majestouch, the orange was too much for me.

I'd say there's no real point in doing a set of black blanks, when you can already order a full set of filco black blanks... We might get them cheaper, but I'd imagine quite a few people who'd be interested in black blanks would've already ordered them. I'd be interested in colored blanks, depending on the color, but that may be even harder to get people to agree on...

Quote from: Fwiffo;247390

I have inquired about prices/options on blanks. I'm certain they'll be much cheaper than custom-manufactured double-shots anyhow. But no reason it couldn't be part of one big order to get the maximum possible price-break. And I have gotten kinda excited about purple or blue legends on black keys.

I'd be very interested in just how cheap sets of blanks would be, or what kind of minimum order it'd take... I'd love a bright pink set, but I know it's something that not many people would be interested in, so it's probably nothing I'll ever have. Maybe if the minimum order is small enough I can drum up some other interest in em...

woody · « **Reply #172 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 03:52:29 »

Do two piece blank-likes - shell and a small frame on top in one colour, the rest of the top surface in other colour. Make few different selections for the "other" colour, i.e. the outer shell colour stays the same. That should satisfy the rainbow mania, be Otakuish, and be on the cheap side.

EDIT: This way, the legend will be rounded rectangle, filling most of the keycap top. Try experimenting with other ideas, like centered circle, Ying-Yang, etc.

eMps · « **Reply #173 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 05:41:34 »

Quote from: bakageta;247393

I'd be very interested in just how cheap sets of blanks would be, or what kind of minimum order it'd take... I'd love a bright pink set, but I know it's something that not many people would be interested in, so it's probably nothing I'll ever have. Maybe if the minimum order is small enough I can drum up some other interest in em...

Heck yes. Bright pink blank keys with a white case.. that would look awesome.

Twitchy · « **Reply #174 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 07:18:13 »

Quote from: woody;247401

Do two piece blank-likes - shell and a small frame on top in one colour, the rest of the top surface in other colour.

I assume that two piece blanks like this would need tooling, unless they've produced them before?

verbel · « **Reply #175 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 08:15:45 »

I would definetly be down for a set of printed keys no matter what the colors are. I would also be interested in blank keys but only if they are in a differnt color as I already have black ones. I like the orange in Twitchy's avatar :nerd:

Fwiffo · « **Reply #176 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 08:23:42 »

As far as I know, they don't do two-piece blanks, and I'm not sure what the benefit would be...

woody · « **Reply #177 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:23:52 »

Quote from: Twitchy;247432

I assume that two piece blanks like this would need tooling, unless they've produced them before?

Just a setup for a single keycap. I saw discussion for creating many custom keycap legends, so I understand the crowd is ready to swallow tooling costs.

woody · « **Reply #178 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:26:43 »

Quote from: Fwiffo;247449

As far as I know, they don't do two-piece blanks, and I'm not sure what the benefit would be...

The "blank" is as to lack of information from the legend, normal two-piece otherwise. It could be just a large rounded square or other figure.
Benefit - single tooling setup, Otaku style, your favourite legend all over the keyboard. Suppose you do a set of say 6 colours, 30 pieces each - then one can arrange his/her own rainbow Feng Shui.

Phaedrus2129 · « **Reply #179 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:36:56 »

I still vote black and blue. I think that will appeal to the most people.

On a side note, for better or worse I'm calling the headsup over at OCN. You're welcome.

reaper · « **Reply #180 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:57:27 »

That blue on black looks really good. That's the one I'd vote for.

Woohoo.. first post here. :biggrin:

Twitchy · « **Reply #181 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 10:03:39 »

Quote from: woody;247479

Just a setup for a single keycap.

Oh ok, I thought that there would be tooling costs for each different key profile and shape (e.g. shift and backspace).

Fwiffo · « **Reply #182 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:11:32 »

Quote from: woody;247482

The "blank" is as to lack of information from the legend, normal two-piece otherwise. It could be just a large rounded square or other figure.
Benefit - single tooling setup, Otaku style, your favourite legend all over the keyboard. Suppose you do a set of say 6 colours, 30 pieces each - then one can arrange his/her own rainbow Feng Shui.

You're going to have to use more words or a picture or something. I don't even know what you mean by a two-piece keycap, or if signature can even make them.

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #183 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:33:42 »

Black caps, perhaps not with the usual white letters, maybe dark gray or red ones?
Also, I'd like to see some media/control/command caps...

db_Iodine · « **Reply #184 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:39:41 »

Has anyone done a photoshop of black caps with red lettering? I think that one might be cool too.

Phaedrus2129 · « **Reply #185 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:40:22 »

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;247554

Black caps, perhaps not with the usual white letters, maybe dark gray or red ones?
Also, I'd like to see some media/control/command caps...

The MX relegendables don't look as nice as the ML ones.

Twitchy · « **Reply #186 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:56:07 »

Quote from: Fwiffo;247546

You're going to have to use more words or a picture or something. I don't even know what you mean by a two-piece keycap, or if signature can even make them.

I think it was better described earlier in the thread.

Quote from: woody;247401

Do two piece blank-likes - shell and a small frame on top in one colour, the rest of the top surface in other colour. Make few different selections for the "other" colour, i.e. the outer shell colour stays the same. That should satisfy the rainbow mania, be Otakuish, and be on the cheap side.

EDIT: This way, the legend will be rounded rectangle, filling most of the keycap top. Try experimenting with other ideas, like centered circle, Ying-Yang, etc.

I personally prefer one colour blanks but I'm enjoying the discussion.

Fwiffo · « **Reply #187 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:57:50 »

Here's red:

I still like my purple/blue fade:

Sov · « **Reply #188 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:00:06 »

I'm a big fan of the blue on black someone posted earlier, but the two above this post look great as well.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #189 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:04:52 »

Quote from: Sov

I'm a big fan of the blue on black someone posted earlier, but the two above this post look great as well.

Hey Sov, welcome to Geekhack! Nice keyboard you got there...

Sov · « **Reply #190 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:14:28 »

Thanks a lot - first mechanical I've owned and I love it.

Kairxa · « **Reply #191 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:17:02 »

So.. Here's my rank.

1. Orange blanks
2. Purple/Blue fade
3. Blue on black
4. Pink on black
5. Red on black

judicata · « **Reply #192 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:43:21 »

I have a second keyboard that I didn't get the last set for.

I'd take almost anything being discussed here, so long as it included a "Control" key for the capslock key (and assuming Fwiffo is in charge, I know it will). Though I admit I'm partial to blue and the old IBM Thinkpad color scheme (before Lenovo took the personality out of it).

johnnysasaki · « **Reply #193 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:47:25 »

I am new here but I have a few ideas (since I've been looking around for replacements for awhile now):

1. Simple blank black or white keys for the otaku look
2. Black keys with grey lettering to have a subtle middle ground between otaku and normal

You might also consider Dvorak users who would want different keys (U and H instead of F and J) to have the bumps for the home row (sorry, I don't know the proper name for that kind of key). Touch typists wouldn't care if the correct keys are in the right places functionally (since they don't need to look) but it does contribute to the look of the keyboard if you can set the caps to the Dvorak placements and have the raised keys be where they ought to. I am someone that is OCD enough to want the Dvorak keycap layout even if I don't look at my board while typing.

Twitchy · « **Reply #194 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:51:46 »

Quote from: woody;247401

Do two piece blank-likes - shell and a small frame on top in one colour, the rest of the top surface in other colour. Make few different selections for the "other" colour, i.e. the outer shell colour stays the same. That should satisfy the rainbow mania, be Otakuish, and be on the cheap side.

EDIT: This way, the legend will be rounded rectangle, filling most of the keycap top. Try experimenting with other ideas, like centered circle, Ying-Yang, etc.

Like this?

HaaTa · « **Reply #195 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:57:17 »

That sorta reminds me of the Deck key caps.

Phaedrus2129 · « **Reply #196 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:05:43 »

Quote from: Kairxa;247582

So.. Here's my rank.

1. Orange blanks
2. Purple/Blue fade
3. Blue on black
4. Pink on black
5. Red on black

My ranking is

1. Blue on black
2. Blue on black
3. Blue on black
4. Blue on black
5. Red on black

Kairxa · « **Reply #197 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:10:43 »

Quote from: Phaedrus2129;247607

My ranking is

1. Blue on black
2. Blue on black
3. Blue on black
4. Blue on black
5. Red on black

You absolutely love blues on black.

(random google picked)

Fwiffo · « **Reply #198 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:11:48 »

Dvorak seems to be less popular around here than Colemak and I think would require more new keys (keys in different rows have different profiles, so any key that changes rows or moves in or out of the nub positions need new keys). What version of Dvorak do people actually use and how many extra keys are needed? I think Colemak needs 13?

woody · « **Reply #199 on:** Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:28:08 »

Quote from: Twitchy;247599

Like this?

Show Image

Yes, thank you very much, Twitchy. Although I'd make the frame on top more pronounced, i.e. reduce the blue area. Try Ying-Yang or circle if you're good with picture editing.

About the tooling - I don't know how many tools have to be actually done at SP, but they already have the outer case profiles for the different rows and key sizes. Again - given that I saw ideas about doing custom font and symbols, my proposal should be much cheaper.

Double-shot and two-piece - hmm. I have seen those two used interchangeably, and I definitely meant double-shot sense, not relegendable.

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