Author Topic: Phantom Custom Keyboard Group Buy (CLOSED) (Read 388453 times)

hashbaz · « **Reply #1050 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:09:05 »

Quote from: litster;501069

Paste-click? Does Ctrl-V not work in Linux?

Yeah, it does. Paste-click is different though. When you highlight text, it is copied into a buffer separate from the Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V buffer. You paste this buffer by middle-clicking.

litster · « **Reply #1051 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:10:04 »

Quote from: hashbaz;501122

Yeah, it does. Paste-click is different though. When you highlight text, it is copied into a buffer separate from the Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V buffer. You paste this buffer by middle-clicking.

Cool, 2 clipboards! I could use something like that.

hashbaz · « **Reply #1052 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:11:53 »

Yup, it's super useful to be able to highlight, click, highlight, click. Sometimes you have to take your hand off the mouse before you click though. Thus the dedicated button on the keyboard.

RiGS · « **Reply #1053 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:29:10 »

Quote from: litster;501117

I can take a picture. I have a yet-to-be-mounted PH7BIT plate. But I am not sure if I understand what you want me to shoot. Can you give me more description?

I meant a picture of a switch mounted into the plate, but without the keycap. I want to see the area near the switch casing, to get a closer peak on the modified plate.

alaricljs · « **Reply #1054 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:45:54 »

Quote from: hashbaz;501126

Yup, it's super useful to be able to highlight, click, highlight, click. Sometimes you have to take your hand off the mouse before you click though. Thus the dedicated button on the keyboard.

Even better if you have a properly configured terminal or whatever piece of software you are using is setup to behave like an xterm... Left click to begin the highlight and drag or not. Double left to highlight a word, triple to highlight a line. Right click to extend the highlight to where the mouse pointer is. Middle click to paste that buffer.

litster · « **Reply #1055 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:51:40 »

Quote from: RiGS;501137

I meant a picture of a switch mounted into the plate, but without the keycap. I want to see the area near the switch casing, to get a closer peak on the modified plate.

This one is not a close up, but might help for now until I take a better one for you. From the top down?

tsangan · « **Reply #1056 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:58:43 »

litster can you share your knowledge on this

Can I technically get the PH7BIT but make the PHANSI layout and just keep all the other spots switchless? I think the main key I don't know if it would fit is the space bar

demik · « **Reply #1057 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:59:53 »

might have a problem mounting the stabilizers since there won't be any cut out for them with the 7bit plate

tsangan · « **Reply #1058 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 20:07:12 »

Quote from: demik;501173

might have a problem mounting the stabilizers since there won't be any cut out for them with the 7bit plate

Ah yes, so simple didn't even think about that

litster · « **Reply #1059 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 21:33:05 »

What you want to do is possible as long as there are holes on the PCB for where you want to put the switches *AND* there is a matching plate for it. The problem is we really can't support one-off plate designs in a group buy like this. On the other hand, if there is enough demand for 10 or so copies of the same design, maybe we can get one added before we close the group buy on Tuesday. If we don't have enough demand, maybe we can figure something out after this group buy is done.

jil_jil32 · « **Reply #1060 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 22:46:01 »

When will you guys collect the money?
/PS: Could it be possible to ship to Vietnam?

tsangan · « **Reply #1061 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 22:50:43 »

Quote from: litster;501233

What you want to do is possible as long as there are holes on the PCB for where you want to put the switches *AND* there is a matching plate for it. The problem is we really can't support one-off plate designs in a group buy like this. On the other hand, if there is enough demand for 10 or so copies of the same design, maybe we can get one added before we close the group buy on Tuesday. If we don't have enough demand, maybe we can figure something out after this group buy is done.

Nah don't worry I was just liking hazeluff's layout and kinda wanted the PH7BIT but I don't know how much I would like it and in case I don't I can fall back on the PHANSI layout

Unless of course all the other PHANSI people want it too, but it is kinda late to make changes since the GB closes in 3 days and this would just confuse things

litster · « **Reply #1062 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 23:01:22 »

After we close on Tuesday, we will count how much we many of each component we need to order, send out final invoice, and then we will start collecting money. When we say close, we do need to close the group buy so we can lock in all the numbers in our order spreadsheet. Hopefully one week after we close we can start collecting money.

I personally have not shipped anything to Vietnam before. Do you know how simple or complicated it is to ship from US to Vietnam? Either 7bit (in Germany) or BiNiaRiS (in the USA) will be shipping to Asia.

hashbaz · « **Reply #1063 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 01:20:58 »

Quote from: alaricljs;501155

Even better if you have a properly configured terminal or whatever piece of software you are using is setup to behave like an xterm... Left click to begin the highlight and drag or not. Double left to highlight a word, triple to highlight a line. Right click to extend the highlight to where the mouse pointer is. Middle click to paste that buffer.

Yup. I sorely miss the cut buffer when I'm on Windows (that and window focus following the mouse cursor).

bpiphany · « **Reply #1064 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 04:08:25 »

Quote from: hazeluff;501052

Oh hmm... There are two LED_A and LED_B. Are they in parallel?

Yes, they are completely in parallel (but attached to the same pin on the controller). Every LED would have it's own resistor in series. The listed absolute maximum current per IO pin is 40mA though.

Edit: Sorry, It's only the LEDA channel that have separate resistors for the two LEDs on it.
Edit: LEDA damnit, the LEDA channel has separate resistors =P

7bit · « **Reply #1065 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 04:21:29 »

Quote from: litster;501294

...
I personally have not shipped anything to Vietnam before. Do you know how simple or complicated it is to ship from US to Vietnam? ...

No problem to ship to Vietnam. War is over since 37 years.

Quote from: hashbaz;501355

Yup. I sorely miss the cut buffer when I'm on Windows (that and window focus following the mouse cursor).

Me too!

7bit · « **Reply #1066 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 04:30:11 »

Quote from: tsangan;501102

I think they fit 1.5x and not 1.25x from looking at the image

1.5 and 1 units.

RiGS · « **Reply #1067 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 05:11:46 »

Quote from: litster;501161

This one is not a close up, but might help for now until I take a better one for you. From the top down?

Show Image

It's helpful picture as I can clearly see those small cut-out gaps on the plate around the switches. It is especially visible on the right side of the Esc switch. Could you make a closer picture of that area?

hazeluff · « **Reply #1068 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 07:53:35 »

Quote from: tsangan;501287

Nah don't worry I was just liking hazeluff's layout and kinda wanted the PH7BIT but I don't know how much I would like it and in case I don't I can fall back on the PHANSI layout

Unless of course all the other PHANSI people want it too, but it is kinda late to make changes since the GB closes in 3 days and this would just confuse things

I'm ordering a PHANSI plate. But if you look on it, it still has the holes on the right side to add those extra switches. You can always remove the switches if you don't like the layout.

jil_jil32 · « **Reply #1069 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 08:23:25 »

Quote from: hazeluff;500734

I'm going to be using a Ansi layout, but use the "7bit" right side.

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I also dream about that layout, but with ANSI winkeyless, 1.5x r4 units. The right side is amazing!

hazeluff · « **Reply #1070 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 08:27:16 »

Quote from: jil_jil32;501449

I also dream about that layout, but with ANSI winkeyless, 1.5x r4 units. The right side is amazing!

If you are getting one and need one drawn up for WASD to make, just let me know ; p.

Tarkoon · « **Reply #1071 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 08:28:33 »

That's also near to what I plan - just some functions on different keys...

tsangan · « **Reply #1072 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 09:22:47 »

Quote from: hazeluff;501440

I'm ordering a PHANSI plate. But if you look on it, it still has the holes on the right side to add those extra switches. You can always remove the switches if you don't like the layout.

Yes! This solves everything, sticking with my PHANSI plate then

hazeluff · « **Reply #1073 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 09:45:03 »

Quote from: tsangan;501470

Yes! This solves everything, sticking with my PHANSI plate then

Glad we've sorted everything out. xD

I personally thought of the 7BIT plate, cos I wanted the shift to be broken into more keys, but I've noticed I don't need them. I don't even need Fn...What to do with it...Maybe should program it to BM people when I play starcraft.

tsangan · « **Reply #1074 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 09:47:08 »

Quote from: hazeluff;501481

Glad we've sorted everything out. xD

I personally thought of the 7BIT plate, cos I wanted the shift to be broken into more keys, but I've noticed I don't need them. I don't even need Fn...What to do with it...Maybe should program it to BM people when I play starcraft.

Yeah I only need Fn keys for a second layer on compact keyboards

Zehkul · « **Reply #1075 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 09:48:41 »

Quote from: hazeluff;500734

I'm going to be using a Ansi layout, but use the "7bit" right side.

(Attachment Link) 38774[/ATTACH]

Wow, I didn't know you could modify the layout as well (and even add and remove keys) with WASD custom keysets! Makes me want to buy something from them.

mkawa · « **Reply #1076 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 11:23:35 »

can we get a list of what stabilizers are needed for each plate type? i'm going to be ordering a mish mash of parts and want to make sure i have a sufficient number and kind of stabilizers

thanks dudes! ps, keep the pics coming!

pps, is there any way to get some version of the design files so that i can start playing with case designs in sketchup?

jil_jil32 · « **Reply #1077 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 11:28:32 »

Quote from: hazeluff;501452

If you are getting one and need one drawn up for WASD to make, just let me know ; p.

Sure! Thanks, hazeluff! <3

litster · « **Reply #1078 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 11:35:03 »

Quote from: mkawa;501547

can we get a list of what stabilizers are needed for each plate type? i'm going to be ordering a mish mash of parts and want to make sure i have a sufficient number and kind of stabilizers

PHANSI: 4 2x stabilizers, 1 7x stabilizer
PHANSIWIN: 4 2x stabilizers, 1 6.25x stabilizers
PHISO: 3 2x stabilizers, 1 7x stabilizer
PHISOWIN: 3 2x stabilizers, 1 6.25x stabilizers
PH7BIT: none

mkawa · « **Reply #1079 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 11:46:24 »

thanks!

mkawa · « **Reply #1080 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 11:51:36 »

is MXGREY light grey or dark? (ie, linear or tactile)?, and what the heck is CASE?

hazeluff · « **Reply #1081 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 12:38:02 »

Quote from: litster;501560

PHANSI: 4 2x stabilizers, 1 7x stabilizer
PHANSIWIN: 4 2x stabilizers, 1 6.25x stabilizers
PHISO: 3 2x stabilizers, 1 7x stabilizer
PHISOWIN: 3 2x stabilizers, 1 6.25x stabilizers
PH7BIT: none

Are the boards coming with stabilizers, or will I have to go grab my own?

TheProfosist · « **Reply #1082 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 12:46:36 »

Quote from: hazeluff;501602

Are the boards coming with stabilizers, or will I have to go grab my own?

You have to order your own from the groupbuy unless you ordered a kit.

litster · « **Reply #1083 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 13:02:52 »

I am dreading that I need to make so many 7x stabilizer bars......

hazeluff · « **Reply #1084 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 13:10:29 »

Good thing i realized. Didn't order any stablilizers before...

mkawa · « **Reply #1085 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 14:41:24 »

tentative order submitted. will jiggle around after i see how things shake out (should i go for grey 39 springs? HMMMMM)

7bit · « **Reply #1086 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 15:30:24 »

Quote from: litster;501626

I am dreading that I need to make so many 7x stabilizer bars......

Should I increase the price?

dorkvader · « **Reply #1087 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 15:40:03 »

Quote from: demik;501173

might have a problem mounting the stabilizers since there won't be any cut out for them with the 7bit plate

You can probably just put switches to hold it in, and take the springs out (unless you like heavy spacebars, that is). It'd be like an expensive cherry stabilizer, I think.

I think I'll Put my spacebar where I like it (on the 7bit layout) and leave (most of) the rest of that row empty (I mean, I'll still have CTRL and ALT).

Hazeluff: I have almost the same idea for my right side. It'll be awesome! The way I see it, on "normal" setting, it'll be arrows, insert, etc. but once numlock is toggled, I can use it like a basic tenkey. I think I'll put the extra function key up at the top(since I'll have extra room), after all the F1-F12 keys are.

litster · « **Reply #1088 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 15:46:51 »

Quote from: 7bit;501769

Should I increase the price?

The meterial is cheap. But it would take a lot of time to make them. Let me see how much time it would take me to make one. I am thinking about how to optimize the job. Maybe I need to precut the wires to the right length and them bend them. The ends are easy. The hump... the hump...

Quote from: dorkvader;501776

You can probably just put switches to hold it in, and take the springs out (unless you like heavy spacebars, that is). It'd be like an expensive cherry stabilizer, I think.

I think I'll Put my spacebar where I like it (on the 7bit layout) and leave (most of) the rest of that row empty (I mean, I'll still have CTRL and ALT).

I don't think it is going to work well. The reason a stabilizer bar is needed is because when you press down a long key on one end, the bar pulls the the other end down at the same time. Without it, the end you push down will go down, but the other end will not.

hazeluff · « **Reply #1089 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 15:49:22 »

Use quantum entanglement, so that when one switch on one side goes down, the one on the other side does too. = D

tsangan · « **Reply #1090 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 15:51:18 »

I know the price in the OP isn't final but how close is it? +/- % wise, I am really tempted to get a 2nd one that's why since this is likely a one time deal until PHANTOM 2

litster · « **Reply #1091 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 15:55:08 »

The prices are very close, and should stay as is unless we are flooded with a bunch more orders before Tuesday, or a lot of you pull out (please don't! :-)).

Zehkul · « **Reply #1092 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 15:59:31 »

I don't need this keyboard, stop making me want to buy one.

7bit · « **Reply #1093 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 16:02:45 »

Quote from: litster;501788

The meterial is cheap. But it would take a lot of time to make them. Let me see how much time it would take me to make one. I am thinking about how to optimize the job. Maybe I need to precut the wires to the right length and them bend them. The ends are easy. The hump... the hump...

I don't think it is going to work well. The reason a stabilizer bar is needed is because when you press down a long key on one end, the bar pulls the the other end down at the same time. Without it, the end you push down will go down, but the other end will not.

When I was looking for a space bar for my Tipro, I've tried out some keys. The largest key which you can hit on one edge without any trouble is 1.5 units wide.

If you have 2 switches and remove one spring, 2.25 units should be OK. But you should remove the spring where you least likely touch the key. I'm quite sure it is not working well with a 4 units spacebar, or even larger. The other option is to leave the springs in (reds or whatever is lightest) but this will still have its limitation and I doubt it will work with 7 units if you don't hit it in the center.

If I where you I'd go with 7BIT layout and a 1.5 units space bar (or 2 if you need it on different sides) and forget about stabilisers for the rest of your life (except when typing on nostalgic keyboards like NoPoo, Poker or Leopold).

tsangan · « **Reply #1094 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 16:06:44 »

7bit is such a stabilizer hater :laser:

TheProfosist · « **Reply #1095 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 16:25:02 »

To all people doing a layout like hazeluff your going to need a physical toggle key to make that work otherwise your going to have to hold the key down when ever you want to use that layer and if you want the numbers from the numberpad your also going to need a numlock key from my under standing from working on the DOX.

hazeluff · « **Reply #1096 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 16:29:25 »

Quote from: TheProfosist;501831

To all people doing a layout like hazeluff your going to need a physical toggle key to make that work otherwise your going to have to hold the key down when ever you want to use that layer and if you want the numbers from the numberpad your also going to need a numlock key from my under standing from working on the DOX.

I'm pretty sure you can just write firmware to toggle the layers.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #1097 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 16:36:25 »

Quote from: hazeluff;501834

I'm pretty sure you can just write firmware to toggle the layers.

From my understanding from DOX and hazu thats not currently the case http://tinyurl.com/84anbbt

dorkvader · « **Reply #1098 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 16:47:26 »

Quote from: hazeluff;501834

I'm pretty sure you can just write firmware to toggle the layers.

Quote from: TheProfosist;501842

From my understanding from DOX and hazu thats not currently the case http://tinyurl.com/84anbbt

You can set that up is the Access-is firmware, so why not? When you select a modifer, you have to pick if it's momentary or toggle. I thought you could do either when I read through the sample documentation for keyboards on pjrc's website. I will recheck this.

From Hasu's comment, it looks like it's not possible with his custom firmware, but it should be possible "in general", as he said it's on his "todo" list.

Finally, I plan to use one of those fancy toggle switches for this, so I should be good either way.

hazeluff · « **Reply #1099 on:** Sat, 28 January 2012, 16:49:13 »

Yeah, It won't be a huge problem with me. I know my way around code and software.

I've also decided that my useless function key will be my game mode toggle switch. It will disable windows key. = D. Also made a nice SNES controller for the artwork of it.

Think I want to have 3 LEDs for Layerlock + WinDisable + Capslock, , but the only way round it at them moment would be to like cut off the paths for one of the LED slots and just use the holes to mount LEDs and fly some wires over to the controller...if there are unused pins.

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Author Topic: Phantom Custom Keyboard Group Buy (CLOSED) (Read 388453 times)