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« Reply #651 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 05:02:27 »
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Didn't know that.  Do you have a link to where I can buy some, or a link to a picture of it?  Thanks.


Hopefully this doesn't end up double posting but I was having problems getting it to accept a hyperlink.

These are an example of what I am talking about: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GPNIOW/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001BHI3I2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=04QD2MNFRWH5SA1YZRB3

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« Reply #652 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 06:25:20 »
I ordered a PHISOREDKIT and a PHISOCLEARKIT and realized that there seems to be an ISO plate in these kits and not the ISOWIN I want.
Is this correct and could I get the ISOWIN plates with the kits?

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« Reply #653 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 10:40:43 »
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I ordered a PHISOREDKIT and a PHISOCLEARKIT and realized that there seems to be an ISO plate in these kits and not the ISOWIN I want.
Is this correct and could I get the ISOWIN plates with the kits?

The correct ordering code for ISOWIN is PHISOWINREDKIT and PHISOWINCLEARKIT.

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« Reply #654 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 13:54:56 »
FYI, test PCBs have been ordered!!!!!111one1!!!

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« Reply #655 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 13:56:16 »
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FYI, test PCBs have been ordered!!!!!111one1!!!

Nice I should probably put my order in at some point...

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« Reply #656 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 14:46:31 »
I tried to replace my PHISOKITS through PHISOWINKITS but the order system does not understand things like "PHISOREDKIT 0" to clear an item...

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« Reply #657 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 16:02:23 »
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I tried to replace my PHISOKITS through PHISOWINKITS but the order system does not understand things like "PHISOREDKIT 0" to clear an item...

Try
CLEAR PHISOKITS
or
CLEARALL

Thats what I used like 5 times in 7bits group buy ;)
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« Reply #658 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 21:16:22 »
Here is the new white case I made, shown in white/beige and black/Dolch Cherry double shot keycaps, plus socket cap screws and thinner lock nuts.  No gluing required.












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« Reply #659 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 21:32:54 »
^ Whoah, looks awesome!

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« Reply #660 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 21:56:27 »
wow that looks really good.
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« Reply #661 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 22:06:05 »
Thats a winner! Man that would look sick with the RETRO set from R4
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« Reply #662 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 22:15:35 »
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Thats a winner! Man that would look sick with the RETRO set from R4

WOW that's amazing!

Hmm, how much does teflon cost? The white you used reminds me of it, and I do know that it's pretty tough.

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« Reply #663 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 22:46:18 »
It is not teflon.  It is just white acrylic.  I personally like the black color better.  But since it is not glued now, I can make another black case with *red* middle layers, and I can swap them back and forth for 4 different combos: black/red, black/blue, white/red, white/blue.  

Some things I have noticed, and general info:
- I am typing on it now.  It feels very solid.  It feels heavier than Filco with its original case.  But I need to weight them to verify.  
- The screws are very nice.  And since my hands and fingers don't touch them when typing, they don't bother me at all.  They look pretty baller to me.  I don't have to cut these screws.  They fit almost perfectly.  The back, longer ones are perfect length.  The front could be a tad longer, but they are fine.  
- The keyboard PCB (actually, the switches' contacts :D) is sitting on the 4th layer.  This is the first prototype I have made without to posts glued to the 4th layer to support the metal plate.  So it is a simpler design and has better support IMO.  
- The cut edges are a little rough because I have not flame polish them.  Laser cutting has a little of a flame polish effect, unlike cutting with a saw.
- Acrylic, after cut, bends a little.  They are straighten out when you screw them together though.
- The top layer cut out fits perfectly with two other Filcos I opened up and tried the case with.  But this last one suffers from off-center arrow keys and Esc key, just like other Filco and Leopold keyboards :mad:.  
- The height works great for me.  But I don't use the flip up legs in any keyboard I use.  If you use the flip up legs, It would require thicker rubber feet at the back.
« Last Edit: Mon, 19 December 2011, 23:06:29 by litster »

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« Reply #664 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 23:27:25 »
I love the cases, but my favorite ones are the transparent colored ones where you can see the inner workings of the board. The cases seem to be getting exponentially better and I really like the support you have made on the bottom to give a slight tilt to the keyboard. I know that you said in the past that it would be possible to offer Filco compatibility to the case with minor alterations in the laser cutting, but will this be an option or has that been nixed in way of a single phantom only design?
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« Reply #665 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 23:52:10 »
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Here is the new white case I made, shown in white/beige and black/Dolch Cherry double shot keycaps, plus socket cap screws and thinner lock nuts.  No gluing required.



Looks freaking amazing. How much did this cost? @_@. I want!!!
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« Reply #666 on: Mon, 19 December 2011, 23:55:50 »
The case in the picture has a real Filco in it.  The design now works for Filco.  I need to build a Phantom prototype when I get the test PCBs and test plates, so I can test how well Phantom works with this case.  Then I will be able to tell what I need to change, if any, to make it compatible for both.  I am pretty sure that the case design as it is now *should* work with both Phantom and Filco keyboards.  I could make the Phantom version's top layer about 1/4" thicker so the whole top layer rests on the metal plate to minimize flex.  That would also mean a much larger hole for the two LEDs.  There is some very minor flex now, because the Filco controller, located above the arrow key cluster, is exposed and on top of the metal plate.  The top layer has to be lifted higher, hence there is room for flex.  The flex is very minor.  If we can trade the tiny flex for Filco/Phantom compatibility, I think we could do that.  I would like to do so.  But until I get a Phantom innards built, I can't tell for sure.

Edit:
I forgot to comment the transparent acrylic case.  I would like to minimize the number of variations we would make, at least for the first round.  I like the transparent case as well.  I actually like them all now.  The white one is growing on me now that I have been using it for a little while today.  Since I make them, I will probably have at least one of each myself :-).  But I think most people will only get one.  I would like to do one color combo for the first batch, if that works and there is more demand, I could do another color combo.
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« Reply #667 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 00:03:56 »
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Looks freaking amazing. How much did this cost? @_@. I want!!!

I submitted to a local shop for a quote.  Due to the holidays, I may get a quote back in January.

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« Reply #668 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 00:06:24 »
I think the little amount of flex is worth the compatibility for sure. Thanks for confirming this all I am very excited to see what this turns into. I think that with this compatibility between phantom and Filco that this would also allow for a bigger market and hopefully lower prices.
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« Reply #669 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 00:07:22 »
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Thats a winner! Man that would look sick with the RETRO set from R4

Or a black/red combo would look very nice with the Red Alert set.  Of the Blood style in R4.  The modular layered design would give us another dimension to customize our keyboard with different colors.
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« Reply #670 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 00:16:32 »
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I think the little amount of flex is worth the compatibility for sure. Thanks for confirming this all I am very excited to see what this turns into. I think that with this compatibility between phantom and Filco that this would also allow for a bigger market and hopefully lower prices.


Flex was a lot worse when I used 1/16" the first time.  It is now 1/8", twice as thick as before.  It is not so flexible anymore.  You can still push the strip between Fn keys and number keys down a little, but you really have to push it.

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« Reply #671 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 00:21:19 »
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Or a black/red combo would look very nice with the Red Alert set.  Of the Blood style in R4.  The modular layered design would give us another dimension to customize our keyboard with different colors.


I think this is just great, the modular ability of the case since there is no drilling involved makes this thing a knockout! It might be cool to have a couple different inserts with each case so that you could change it to match different key sets
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« Reply #672 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 01:24:18 »
Damn Lister..that case looks good. I actually like your choice of the white acryllic, i am not a fan of the clear/transparent look.
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« Reply #673 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 02:16:52 »
I'm with jpm, transparent is not for me.  This white case looks amazing though.

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« Reply #674 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 02:34:43 »
Thanks guys!  Glad you guys like the white case.  I wasn't very sure about white when I picked the color, thought I made a mistake.  

Another problem with transparent cases is that the switch contacts that stick out under the PCB will come in contact with the bottom of the case and scratch it.  For opaque acrylic, that is not a problem.  For transparent acrylic, you will see the scratches from the outside, a little unsightly.

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« Reply #675 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 02:43:12 »
This is incredible.  My vote is for Red and White (then it will match all of my furniture).  I totally understand the need to limit options, though.

If this comes together, then I think its a pretty big milestone for our community.  Good job!
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« Reply #676 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 07:59:53 »
How heavy are these cases anyway?

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« Reply #677 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 08:35:48 »
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Thanks guys!  Glad you guys like the white case.  I wasn't very sure about white when I picked the color, thought I made a mistake.  

Another problem with transparent cases is that the switch contacts that stick out under the PCB will come in contact with the bottom of the case and scratch it.  For opaque acrylic, that is not a problem.  For transparent acrylic, you will see the scratches from the outside, a little unsightly.

You can never go wrong with white :cool:

White with ANYTHING and I'm good :)
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« Reply #678 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 10:27:24 »
Thats racist :laser:

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« Reply #679 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 10:45:43 »
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How heavy are these cases anyway?

I haven't weighted it yet.  It 'feels' heavier than the original Filco case. But that could be just my imgination.  I should weight it today.

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« Reply #680 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 10:47:17 »
Hey litster,

Any chance you'd be willing to post how you made one of these?
I have the resources and I'm thinking that it would be fun to try (and most likely fail) putting one together.

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« Reply #681 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 11:25:19 »
FWIW, I had my keyboard prototype pcbs made at sitopway (mostly due to low pricing), and they can even source components (pricing comparable to mouser et al) and do assembly at reasonable pricing as well. The pcbs came out great and fast, though with a bit of smudges and such post assembly. Don't know if you even need such information anymore, but thought I'd throw it out there.

Oh, and I'm definitely interested, but probably only as long as a non-vanilla case is offered as well. I don't have any interest in putting such a custom product in a noncustom casing :D

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« Reply #682 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 20:38:02 »
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How heavy are these cases anyway?

Filco Tenkeyless OEM case with MX Blue white/beige cherry keycaps + moogle kit = 956g
Litster's acrylic case with Dolch keycaps + Cherry black double shot keycaps + moogle kit = 1234g

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« Reply #683 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 20:40:51 »
More weight the better!
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« Reply #684 on: Tue, 20 December 2011, 20:55:08 »
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More weight the better!

LOL!  So you like white and fat!

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« Reply #685 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 00:53:17 »
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LOL!  So you like white and fat!

+1

So, i want to put an order in, but I'm not sure what MXDARKBLUE are... The cherry key wiki lists them as unconfirmed to be clicky or tactile.  My hope was to do blues in the typing area and some heavier clicky switches (like greens) on the F row.  Cherry (USA at least) only lists a blue and green that click.  Can anyone elaborate on the Dark blue?
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« Reply #686 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 01:02:44 »
It was covered somewhere here or on DT's Phantom thread or switch group buy thread.  I don't remember exactly, but I think dark blue is actually not available from our switch source.  If 7bit is not too busy with this group buy4, maybe he can answer.  Or maybe other forum members can help here.

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« Reply #687 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 01:04:53 »
id love an all green switch board
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« Reply #688 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 01:05:34 »
To my knowledge a dark blue is just a vintage blue.

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« Reply #689 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 01:20:52 »
The dark blue question turn up again!

I'll find the links out from the earlier part of this topic: hang on.

Edit: here we go, brought up 2-3 times:

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What is MX dark blue plate mount switch?

Quote from: 7bit;445764
This is the latest switch. Ask Sixty, he knows all about it ...

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Where are we getting the cherry darkblue from? Is there any other information on it other than sixty's one post and that one picture?

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More discussion here:  http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1411&start=121

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Okay, thanks litster.

I think they're probably the "similar to normal MX blue" as opposed to the "20-year-old" style.

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What's the deal with the dark blue switches?

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They did only exist in my fantasy!

There exist dark blue switches, but these are quite ancient and no longer in production.

The dark blue ones ...

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So it sounds like you won't be able to source the dark blue switches, right?

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No, there will not be dark blue switches for spacebar switches.  Others colors should be available.
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« Reply #690 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 01:31:39 »
Thank you dorkvadar!  Next time someone asks about the dark blue switches, we can just refer people to your post above.

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« Reply #691 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 01:50:44 »
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I haven't had a chance to follow up on the phantom gb, but will this case just fit on any filco or do I need to make a phantom first?

Right now the current design is confirmed to work with Filco MJ1 and MJ2 tenkeyless keyboards.  Phantom is designed to fit inside an genuine Filco tenkeyless case.   Given that, I can't 100% confirm the current case design works for Phantom yet.  Prototype mounting plates and PCBs have been ordered.  I will be building a full Phantom prototype keyboard when I receive the parts.  Once that is done, I will be able to put the Phantom keyboard inside my acrylic case to see how well they will fit.  Best case is the same acrylic case works for both Filco and Phantom, and that's the goal.

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« Reply #692 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 01:54:34 »
Very nice :)

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« Reply #693 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 02:38:13 »
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The dark blue question turn up again!

I'll find the links out from the earlier part of this topic: hang on.

Edit: here we go, brought up 2-3 times:



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« Reply #694 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 11:32:38 »
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Best case is the same acrylic case works for both Filco and Phantom, and that's the goal.


You're the man keep it up :nod:
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« Reply #695 on: Wed, 21 December 2011, 13:02:15 »
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Quote from: litster;475011
Best case is the same acrylic case works for both Filco and Phantom, and that's the goal.

You're the man keep it up :nod:


LOL!  Didn't realized I had pun in what I wrote earlier  until I saw your post.  Best case, as in best case scenario, and/or best case design.

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« Reply #696 on: Sat, 24 December 2011, 19:32:46 »
Made a opaque black + transparent orange case today.  Looks very nice.  But now I think opaque white + transparent blue looks the best.

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« Reply #697 on: Sat, 24 December 2011, 21:18:49 »
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Made a opaque black + transparent orange case today.  Looks very nice.  But now I think opaque white + transparent blue looks the best.
Can't beat the white case I'm telling you :P
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« Reply #698 on: Sat, 24 December 2011, 22:52:40 »
White with red center layer ftw
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« Reply #699 on: Sun, 25 December 2011, 02:15:46 »
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White with red center layer ftw


Oh yes that is what I want, but with the top layer clear!
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