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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #200 on: Sat, 29 September 2012, 21:32:24 »
lol how do you just "lose" something big like a keyboard?

bpiphany, please post a status update before you start soldering. I'd like to solder my own if possible. Less work for you :)

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #201 on: Sat, 29 September 2012, 22:04:58 »
lol how do you just "lose" something big like a keyboard?

bpiphany, please post a status update before you start soldering. I'd like to solder my own if possible. Less work for you :)

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #202 on: Sun, 30 September 2012, 10:42:07 »
I'm going to do the this quick so here is a link to DT where I posted the latest news http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/filco-tenkeyless-custom-atmega32u4-controller-t3789-30.html#p77749

Today I soldered the 20 resistors on the back onto the next 24 controllers. The front is a bit more mixed but with only 16 components. So I should have the first batch of 25 ready soon.

For you guys wanting to do the soldering yourselves. Don't worry. I've got PCBs and components to go around =)

Now I need to run of to my real job...

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #203 on: Sun, 30 September 2012, 11:49:08 »
I got a new Filco, interest +1 again lol
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #204 on: Sun, 30 September 2012, 14:08:59 »
So is it too late to get in on this?


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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #206 on: Mon, 01 October 2012, 15:06:28 »
Cant wait to get one of these.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #207 on: Mon, 01 October 2012, 16:50:44 »
Me too :)
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #208 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 03:29:37 »
There should still be plenty of PCBs for extra orders. Components I can order more along the way. Actually not that easy right at this moment since both mouser and digikey are out of the microcontrollers... I still haven't received the header pins I ordered off ebay yet. I may order some from digikey instead. I also forgot to order the reed switches last time. So I still need to put another order for those...

harrison and WhiteFireDragon have shown interest in doing the soldering themselves. Anyone else? Orders for the people wanting to do the soldering will be sent out first(ish).

I must warn you though that these parts are pretty darn small. I recommend you to only attempt it if you have a decently small chisel shaped soldering iron tip and really thin solder. I use 0.3mm solder, 0.015" (0.4mm) seem to be commonly available as well. And the crystals are a bit tricky to solder as well. They are not really intended for hand soldering =P

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #209 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 04:16:07 »
What is considered "decently small?" Is this 2.4mm tip small enough or should I buy another 1.6mm tip? And right now I have Kester 44 solder 63/37 in size 0.020", which is a little thicker than your recommended 0.015", but hopefully it's fine enough to get the job done.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #210 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 06:27:23 »
The tip I've been using pretty much all over is this 1.3mm one. I also use my larger 2.2mm one for the header pins, but that one is huge =D You would probably do fine with a 1.6mm one. Your solder should be good as well I think. It's just easier to add the correct amount with thinner solder. I use a roll of 0.7mm for the pins, and they don't take a whole lot of that.

Oh, and also, I just finished off another 4 boards just now. All working fine =)

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #212 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 09:20:57 »
You just did.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #214 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 13:32:59 »
Show Image


lol


Well add me to that list too.  My Filco should be here today, for ~$20 why not?

Besides mapping each key individually, what are some other cool things that can be done with this programmable controller?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #215 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 13:50:12 »
Sky's the limit if you can code.  Layers, macros, silly tricks with 2 LEDs.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #216 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 13:59:03 »
Sky's the limit if you can code.  Layers, macros, silly tricks with 2 LEDs.

Quite interesting.  Suppose it's time to learn lol. 

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #218 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:03:53 »
Just got my mj2 tkl today!



Now I'm seriously excited for this thing.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #219 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:47:30 »
There's already firmware that works for basic keyboarding for this controller.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #220 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 16:25:02 »
Are there measurements anywhere? I'd like to know the exact dimensions of the PCB.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #221 on: Tue, 02 October 2012, 19:45:16 »
Are there measurements anywhere? I'd like to know the exact dimensions of the PCB.

Can't you open your Filco and take measurements from its controller daughterboard? They should be the same. Or are you asking for compatibility for some other keyboard? We know they won't work with the QFR, due to the header pins.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #222 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:07:22 »
Cant wait for mine. I need 3 in the end wouldnt mind just one right away though.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #223 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 09:12:24 »
I need one for sure, possibly 2.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #224 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 14:19:17 »
How is the QFR controller attached?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #225 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 14:22:49 »
parallel pin headers,   a pair of 2x??  but otherwise very much like the Filco.  Just enough different to be incompatible.


found pic...


This is from OCN, so the drinking straw and random spooge around the switch and a missing switch are totally expected.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #226 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 14:40:14 »
I would assume that we could make it work. I think that it would just require some handiwork and wires sticking in the board instead of removable. I might be in for one since a QFR could work. Depends upon the price point.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #227 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:13:30 »
o you know someone could be cool and just design a custom controller for it.

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« Reply #228 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 16:05:59 »
Is there anyone else on this forum that knows how to program controllers besides bpiphany? It wouldn't be fair to ask him to make custom controllers for every different board. That's just too much work for one person, while the rest of the forum benefits. hashbaz, since you're a programmer, would you know how to reprogram these controllers as well?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #229 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 16:07:17 »
I'd be up for a CM Storm one as well. Maybe.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #230 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 16:08:51 »
bpiphany's firmware from the phantom is easy enough to configure for future controllers using the same chipset.  It's a matter of plugging in the row/column connection layout to the different pins of the controller.  bp has already done this for the Filco replacement controller.  Since it's up to the creator of the controller to assign the pins and since the creator will likely need to test their creation... it's pretty much their job by default.

bp has already said that if you want something more advanced than his, then take his and hack away... I understand that he'll accept patches too.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #231 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 16:33:07 »
I am working on an AIKON. Then all we would need to do is solder in the AIKON as a daughter board into a socket designed for that keyboard, if that makes sense. I'll hop on my desktop and draw something up quick in a bit...

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #232 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 18:38:11 »
Latest updates

  • Three week vacation starting tomorrow.
  • Think I am coming down with a cold.
  • Lots and lots of cleaning to do Thursday Friday.
  • And baking, and cooking.
  • Birthday party on Saturday =D
  • Hangover to cure on Sunday(?..)

I hope to throw some soldering in there somewhere to lighten up the cleaning a bit.

For future controller projects I think it would be good to move to the QFN package  AT90USB??? chips. They have enough IO-pins to cater for any (I really hope) keyboard matrix. They would require me (or someone) to get some re-flow soldering skills developed. They may be possible to solder by hand, but that is going to be dodgy at the best.

Designing a controller for a board really comes down to
  • Getting the dimensions and pin layout correctly copied.
  • Placing the components nicely.
  • Drawing all the traces.
There isn't much more to it =) The reason I did the Filco tenkeyless is not because I am particularly interested in it myself. I really need a numpad myself.. But the interest for the tenkeyless would be bigger, and there was room to fit the TQFP ATmega32u4 onto there. I would guess there may be many boards that would be interesting to make replacement controllers for. Perhaps some old but common non-USB boards as well.

Today I ordered a macro lens for my camera. Hopefully I will be able to make a video of me soldering a board to give an idea of how hard/easy it is. Never really did film anything before, or did any video editing. So that may get interesting...

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #233 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 19:36:42 »
I think the AIKON is a TQFP and it is possible to support a very large matrix... I don't recall the specifics at the moment. I know it isn't that hard.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #234 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 22:05:30 »
parallel pin headers,   a pair of 2x??  but otherwise very much like the Filco.  Just enough different to be incompatible.


found pic...

This is from OCN, so the drinking straw and random spooge around the switch and a missing switch are totally expected.

Guys: I got you covered in the CMstorm QFR Pictures Department.


http://i.imm.io/GCkH.jpeg (1600*1200)

But yep: It's got a double row.
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« Reply #235 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 22:10:03 »
LOL. You people and your QFR's. Y U NO BUY REAL THING? Step up, son. Get yourself a Filco and welcome to the adult table. I have 5 Filco's.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #236 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 22:14:05 »
I have a QFR and 2 Filcos... not really that much different apart from the funk rubber coating.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #237 on: Wed, 03 October 2012, 23:26:46 »
LOL. You people and your QFR's. Y U NO BUY REAL THING? Step up, son. Get yourself a Filco and welcome to the adult table. I have 5 Filco's.

 :))

What do I do to get the space bar on my Filco to stop sounding weird and hollow?  I suppose it sounds better than the higher pitched hollow ping of my Ducky, but I don't know if I like it yet. 

O-Rings fix this?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #238 on: Thu, 04 October 2012, 01:40:08 »
The Aikon is an ATmega32? It sure has a lot of IO-pins (32), but it isn't listed as USB capable. Apparently they got the Aikon to work somehow, but is the Aikon firmware open? There are at least half a dozen people working on derivatives of the PJRC keyboard example.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #239 on: Thu, 04 October 2012, 08:06:49 »
No, the Aikon firmware is not open.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #240 on: Thu, 04 October 2012, 08:19:52 »
Looking at some other USB capable thingies using the ATmega32 it looks like 2 of the generic IO-pins are used for the USB communications. The matrices on the Filco boards are 8x18 IO-pins and 3 LEDs, so that is only 29 pins wich would still fit of course. The AT90USB1286 for example has 48 IO-pins on top of the USB communication. The QFN64 package is the same physical size as the TQFP44 packages (minus the legs even), but the solder pads are tiny =P

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #241 on: Thu, 04 October 2012, 23:11:01 »
Just got two filcos.  Put me down for 1 more (bringing me to two)

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #242 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 00:28:21 »
Still taking orders? Saw that they were cheap so i might aswell get one :]

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #243 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 04:55:22 »
Party day, but I had time to do this in the morning

Starting at the top
  • Pieces of 0.7mm and 0.3mm solder at the top.
  • The chips are a TQFP44 and a SOIC16, and that is obviously a Euro cent...
  • A whisker from my cats (Thank you Max).
  • A regular through hole keyboard diode as reference.
  • That little bugger saying 103 is a 10kΩ 0603 resistor (they are the ones this controller uses).
  • Next is a 0402 resistor. (I didn't want to go there, don't worry about that =)
  • That thing with the four pads on the bottom is the 16MHz crystal. The pads extend ever so slightly on the side of the corners, and the pads on the PCB is a tad larger. It is possible to solder it from the top, but I also added holes to the PCB pads to let you get solder in through the "back door".
  • The 0Ω resistor is probably an 0805 and the capacitor next to it something even larger. (There are none of these on this project.)
  • The brown and white capacitor next to them is also 0603s and the ones I use.
  • To the right is the tips of my tweezer. Only thing sharp about them is that they are made of titanium. I'd say they are regular tweezer pointy, nowhere near needle tip.
  • 2mm pitch header  pins.
  • My regular driver 1.3mm chisel tip
  • A 2.2mm chisel tip for "heavy duty" work
  • An even smaller 0.8mm chisel tip that I don't use much
  • And a "gull wing" tip for drag soldering, the dimple is there to hold a ball of solder while dragging it along SMD leads. Though I usually solder each lead of the above chips one or two at a time with my chisel tip, no dragging. The gull wing is also great for picking up solder where there is too much.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #244 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 12:15:52 »
What type of picture is that?

Awesome! How long does it take you to build a single controller?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #245 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 15:16:30 »
Looks like he scanned it... dunno how he got the grey background tho.
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« Reply #246 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 16:33:51 »
I th8ink yiou get that grey color when the flatbed scanner isnt fully closed.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #247 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 17:06:18 »
I th8ink yiou get that grey color when the flatbed scanner isnt fully closed.

Spot on =) With my dark hood (just a wooden box painted matte black on the inside) over the top some black details didn't show up against "empty space"...

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« Reply #248 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 19:57:45 »
I should try that on my scanner... last time I got pure black, diff. scanner tho.
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« Reply #249 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 21:14:50 »
No, the Aikon firmware is not open.
I am working on an AIKON. Then all we would need to do is solder in the AIKON as a daughter board into a socket designed for that keyboard, if that makes sense. I'll hop on my desktop and draw something up quick in a bit...

Also, to flash firmware to Aikon, it requires installing some USB driver/library on 32-bit Windows (doesn't work on 64-bit Windows).  Luckily I still have one old machine running 32-bit Windows 7.