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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #250 on: Sat, 06 October 2012, 21:15:55 »
I think this video will be helpful if you haven't opened up a Filco before.


bpiphany, might want to add it to first post ;D

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #251 on: Sun, 07 October 2012, 00:43:12 »
Also, to flash firmware to Aikon, it requires installing some USB driver/library on 32-bit Windows (doesn't work on 64-bit Windows).  Luckily I still have one old machine running 32-bit Windows 7.

Boo, I'll have to bust out an old machine or something. 

Thanks for the video, didn't expect the tabs so that's nice to know. 

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #252 on: Sun, 07 October 2012, 02:03:27 »
Also, to flash firmware to Aikon, it requires installing some USB driver/library on 32-bit Windows (doesn't work on 64-bit Windows).  Luckily I still have one old machine running 32-bit Windows 7.

Boo, I'll have to bust out an old machine or something. 

Thanks for the video, didn't expect the tabs so that's nice to know. 

I thought my leading questions were clear enough. Don't use the AIKON ;)

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #253 on: Sun, 07 October 2012, 02:10:08 »
I want one for my upcoming "project". Hope im not to late bpiphany?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #254 on: Sun, 07 October 2012, 19:39:42 »
I thought my leading questions were clear enough. Don't use the AIKON ;)
Well what about just using Linux instead?  Much easier to get a Linux distro up vs 32bit windows lol. 

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #255 on: Sun, 07 October 2012, 20:49:55 »
Also, to flash firmware to Aikon, it requires installing some USB driver/library on 32-bit Windows (doesn't work on 64-bit Windows).  Luckily I still have one old machine running 32-bit Windows 7.

Well what about just using Linux instead?  Much easier to get a Linux distro up vs 32bit windows lol. 

It's not that the KB needs a 32bit host... it's that the driver to talk to it with the programming software requires 32bit Windows.  Which Linux is not.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #256 on: Sun, 07 October 2012, 22:46:50 »
It's not that the KB needs a 32bit host... it's that the driver to talk to it with the programming software requires 32bit Windows.  Which Linux is not.

Ah. Well then, I suppose it's not really that big an issue but I'll figure that out when the time comes. 

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #257 on: Mon, 08 October 2012, 02:32:21 »
Any one sane uses open software, whether it is their OS or keyboard firmware. Prevents you from being screwed over in the future. So let's just agree to use the open source tools that are available, none of this AIKON thing...


And by the way, I finished the 25th controller yesterday. Or as far as I can anyway, I still don't have header pins or reed switches. But they are quick to mount when I get them. I should be placing an order today.

I also ran into some problem with the ATmega32u4RC (the chip factory set to run on the internal 8MHz source). I only mounted one, but I couldn't get that to work. I may possibly have botched it up somehow, but that would be rather a coincidence. All other 24 seem to work fine. I have to investigate this further today.. I was hoping it would be easy to just reprogram the fuses with a serial programmer to use an external 16MHz oscillator instead like normal.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #258 on: Mon, 08 October 2012, 07:48:52 »
Can we order a DIY kit?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #259 on: Mon, 08 October 2012, 07:58:27 »
Can we order a DIY kit?

Yes, I even promised free shipping for anyone wanting to do the soldering themselves =) It should also float you up to the front of the line.

I added all additional interests I could find to the original post. Don't worry too much about the number in front. I will write to each and every one and ask them for a more detailed order when I've got finished controllers to ship.

I think I also just solved the reprogramming of the controller fuses. So I should be set to continue soldering today, yay \o/

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #260 on: Mon, 08 October 2012, 08:04:38 »
I will order a DIY kit then! I don't have a Filco, but I'm sure that these will be helpful someday.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #261 on: Mon, 08 October 2012, 13:25:48 »
Aww too bad I can't do it myself :(
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #262 on: Mon, 08 October 2012, 14:48:05 »
What's the difference in arrival times between pre-soldered and DIY?

Also, would this be possible for someone with knowledge of soldering concepts but no soldering experience? Specifically is there any way to go about figuring out what to do?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #263 on: Mon, 08 October 2012, 17:51:59 »
What's the difference in arrival times between pre-soldered and DIY?

Also, would this be possible for someone with knowledge of soldering concepts but no soldering experience? Specifically is there any way to go about figuring out what to do?
well its SMD probably not the best type to start learning on.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #264 on: Mon, 08 October 2012, 18:09:35 »
You'd probably want some soldering experience before trying one of these. The components are pretty small. And it is also a lot easier with good tools. It may be a good size project to practice SMD skills on on the other hand.

I will probably have 50 controllers ready by this week at least. So there won't really be much time saved by doing the soldering yourself. I did the back of another 25 today. So I've got 25 fully assembled, and 25 half assembled at the moment.

I managed to change the fuse bits on the trouble controllers, but not loading any program on them. So that is still causing some trouble =P I saw DigiKey have stock of the regular controller again. So I will throw in another 25 for my next order. And save the tricky ones until I have solved how to fix them. I will place the order tomorrow - now I need to sleep.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #265 on: Tue, 09 October 2012, 14:03:28 »
Sorry but I will be withdrawing my interest in this.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #266 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 16:55:18 »
I finally figured out the problem with re-programming the non-standard chips..

Other than that I have completed almost 50 units. And also ordered even more components. My idea to build and release a few at a time sort of got a bit sidetracked.. Now all the build related problems have been taken care of at least. Almost. My China ebay order for header pins haven't been delivered yet, and I've been a bit reluctant to order from Digikey. I did today though, but they only had enough for 50 boards at the moment. That will go some way at least. I also have some from earlier, and hopefully my new ones will be delivered soon. By the end of the week I should be able to start shipping controllers out. I hope...

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #267 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 16:58:50 »
Sounds good to me. Sadly I'm at the end of the list :(
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #268 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 17:27:37 »
I get more and more excited for this every day at work, every time I find myself dreaming about reprogramming my keyboard. Thrilled to hear it's coming along! Unfortunately I think I am, at worst case, like #84 on the GH list alone. Ha. But, still exciting!

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #269 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 17:29:16 »
I am excited!

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #270 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 17:47:01 »
This is going to be my firmware dev/test platform  :)
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #271 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 18:08:02 »
I'm interested.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #272 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 19:20:46 »
This is going to be my firmware dev/test platform  :)
any interest in programing my layout then?

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #273 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 19:46:33 »
The goal is a pretty flexible firmware, since my GUI is already working with the phantom branch of bp's firmware I'm pretty sure compatibility with this branch is already there.  Mapping a layout will be no big deal.  Where I'm interested is in layers and PC->keyboard communication.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #274 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 19:47:54 »
The goal is a pretty flexible firmware, since my GUI is already working with the phantom branch of bp's firmware I'm pretty sure compatibility with this branch is already there.  Mapping a layout will be no big deal.  Where I'm interested is in layers and PC->keyboard communication.
Yes i need a layer and not of the toggleable variety one where you have to hold the Fn key if you know what I mean.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #275 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 20:11:54 »
Yeah, I intend on both 'settable' and `Fn` style layers.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #276 on: Wed, 10 October 2012, 20:24:42 »
Yeah, I intend on both 'settable' and `Fn` style layers.

Awesome! That's pretty much exactly what I'm hoping to achieve through this project. Basically a KBT Pure with some adjustments--IJKL arrow keys, for instance. Now if only I could get an additional key for the layer itself where my left thumb rests.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #277 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 12:26:28 »
Interested in two.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #278 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 15:30:01 »
Videos! With me talking, horrible thought =P I have more but my upload limit for this week have been reached. Don't know if I will ever be able to upload the long one of a complete soldering... May have to break that up in some pieces. Or speed some of it up by time lapsing it. That would be neat if I knew how... =D

I've also got a firmware that just mimics the Filco behavior. This is what I will ship the controllers with. I'm trying to get the code to jump to the bootloader when both shifts are pressed, but that doesn't quite work yet. The firmware just stops, and the bootloader doesn't come into play. That's no real biggie though since there is a magnet switch to start the bootloader as well. No need to open the case to reach the reset =)

One 0603 resistor. There are 21 more of them on that side. Another one on the top. Plus 10 capacitors the same footprint size, but double the height.

The controller (should finish processing soon I hope).

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #279 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 15:50:24 »
Man, I really hope I will be able to get these. So much keyboard pr0n ;).

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #280 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 16:10:24 »
Every one who wants one so far will have one =) I've got controllers for 100, and all other components for a total of 150. The controllers are the most expensive. That is why I haven't bought them for all units. I wasn't planning to buy this many before selling some either... Buying 25 controllers at a time qualifies for free shipping alone. So that is no big problem.

I also got the soft-jump to the bootloader to work. Guess I should start asking for money. Haven't actually tried the case top to see if it fits yet.. That would be fun if it didn't, but it would also be very surprising. Haven't got it here at the moment either =P

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #281 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 16:15:48 »
Watching that makes me want to do it myself... Nice job btw.
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #282 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 16:22:17 »
Guess I should start asking for money.

If you've got a bottom line and an email address, I've got a paypal account!

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #283 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 17:22:32 »
I think this video will be helpful if you haven't opened up a Filco before.


bpiphany, might want to add it to first post ;D

I botched it, but without the camera distracting me I would have done it right...

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #284 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 17:52:48 »
Sweet let me know when you need money for 3 of them.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #285 on: Fri, 12 October 2012, 21:31:05 »
Every one who wants one so far will have one =)

Yes!!! That's awesome news to hear.

Haven't actually tried the case top to see if it fits yet.. That would be fun if it didn't, but it would also be very surprising. Haven't got it here at the moment either =P

Uh oh..
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #286 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 10:40:05 »
So, who is excited about getting this? =D

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #287 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 11:34:09 »
Me! Me! Me! I'm excited!

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« Reply #288 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 11:36:54 »
I was the first on the interest list for this thread, so yeah, I'm excited! I paid up already and everything. Ready to get these in my Filcos!
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« Reply #289 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 13:54:00 »
Can't wait to get mine also. I check this thread every time I'm on GH. Although, this controller won't be as exciting when we first get it until someone figures out multi-layer. Shipped firmware is same Filco's layout, so no difference there.

Gonna try SMD soldering for the first time.

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #290 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 13:59:50 »
I am excited as well. And man, everyone has moonprismpwr avatars... gotta get mine done soon.
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« Reply #291 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 15:39:56 »
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« Reply #292 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 15:41:59 »
I think he's going down the list
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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #294 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 16:11:46 »
Wooo hoooo! I am excited!

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« Reply #295 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 16:50:04 »
I'm putting together orders. I started off with a few easy ones. People I know, people who live close by, some people keeping a bit higher profile on the forums, the guys wanting DIY kits, people I find more likely to do some coding =)

But I will start working my way down top to bottom after this first batch.

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« Reply #296 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 16:51:20 »
It's all good, I'm just happy to know that everyone who wants one will be able to get one.
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« Reply #297 on: Sat, 13 October 2012, 21:02:40 »
I am excited as well. And man, everyone has moonprismpwr avatars... gotta get mine done soon.

Yes please! ;D

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Re: [Interest Check] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #298 on: Sun, 14 October 2012, 01:33:57 »
With this I could reprogram any key on my filco to act as any key I choose?

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« Reply #299 on: Sun, 14 October 2012, 02:03:46 »
Yup, that's the purpose of this custom controller. Reprogramming keys is hardware supported as opposed to doing it by software in the OS.