FS: Murdered LZ-GH

[emptythecache]

I was the seller of the LZ-GH that was murdered by China Post. Paypal refunded the buyer, even though frankly that **** wasn't my fault. He never told me it was even going to China, he just said "not USA," and he should've arranged insurance for it with his proxy if he knew China Post was likely to **** it up. Either way, Paypal told me to go **** myself, so now I have a bent $500 keyboard sitting in my apartment. Does anyone want it for cheap? Maybe you can find a metal shop that can bend it back into shape, or at the very least you can salvage the lubed and stickered 62g vintages blacks and trik pcb (I tested that it's still 100% functional, just bent).

Someone make me an offer. Believe me when I say all offers will be considered. I just want the damn thing out of my apartment because looking at it makes me want to damage the other nice things I own.

[Photoelectric]

PM'd. to indicate interest. I'd give it a good home

[MKULTRA]

Wow that dude is an *******.  Sorry bout your luck bro.

[Puddsy]

GLWS. That's unfortunate that that happened. Someone will probably want it and salvage it.

[Photekq]

The guy requested a refund? What a twat.

His own fault for not being specific about what shipping he wanted or choosing a cheap & ****ty shipping service.

[SpAmRaY]

I was the seller of the LZ-GH that was murdered by China Post. Paypal refunded the buyer, even though frankly that **** wasn't my fault. He never told me it was even going to China, he just said "not USA," and he should've arranged insurance for it with his proxy if he knew China Post was likely to **** it up. Either way, Paypal told me to go **** myself, so now I have a bent $500 keyboard sitting in my apartment. Does anyone want it for cheap? Maybe you can find a metal shop that can bend it back into shape, or at the very least you can salvage the lubed and stickered 62g vintages blacks and trik pcb (I tested that it's still 100% functional, just bent).

Someone make me an offer. Believe me when I say all offers will be considered. I just want the damn thing out of my apartment because looking at it makes me want to damage the other nice things I own.

So you sold to a guy and his proxy shipped it to him and it was damaged? How is that your fault so long as it got to the proxy ok?

[Tym]

$10 + postage cost to UK?

[Sifo]

As someone who had nothing but a great experience buying an LZ from you...

#****paypal
#****thatguy

[r3n_uneducated]

WOw
Poor the Kb
GLWS

[esoomenona]

Sadly, as I've now learned, the only way to save yourself as a seller is to take a couple precautions and force the buyer to pay for everything they need to make sure you're covered. That essentially means you can't sell things to someone who will only pay for the cheapest shipping option without putting yourself at risk of something like this.

[nubbinator]

So you sold to a guy and his proxy shipped it to him and it was damaged? How is that your fault so long as it got to the proxy ok?

That's my thought too.  I though the job of a proxy was to make sure everything was packed properly for the trip to wherever they're forwarding it to.

I guess the takeaway lesson from this is to always get the proxy to make the payment instead of the buyer so if you get screwed by the proxy's shipping, your money is safe.

[emptythecache]

I was the seller of the LZ-GH that was murdered by China Post. Paypal refunded the buyer, even though frankly that **** wasn't my fault. He never told me it was even going to China, he just said "not USA," and he should've arranged insurance for it with his proxy if he knew China Post was likely to **** it up. Either way, Paypal told me to go **** myself, so now I have a bent $500 keyboard sitting in my apartment. Does anyone want it for cheap? Maybe you can find a metal shop that can bend it back into shape, or at the very least you can salvage the lubed and stickered 62g vintages blacks and trik pcb (I tested that it's still 100% functional, just bent).

Someone make me an offer. Believe me when I say all offers will be considered. I just want the damn thing out of my apartment because looking at it makes me want to damage the other nice things I own.

So you sold to a guy and his proxy shipped it to him and it was damaged? How is that your fault so long as it got to the proxy ok?

that's what i told paypal, they didn't give a ****.

[pichu23]

Oh dear. glws tho. 

[Neo.X]

I feel so sad about that beautiful keyboard. PMed.

[meiosis]

I feel so sad about that beautiful keyboard. PMed.

zero self control

[Halverson]

**** PayPal, helping douchebags scam and rip good folks off all the time.

Hope you can sell this off to someone to help you out.

*wizbro hug*

[Neo.X]

I feel so sad about that beautiful keyboard. PMed.

zero self control

You know me. 

[Thimplum]

The guy requested a refund? What a twat.

His own fault for not being specific about what shipping he wanted or choosing a cheap & ****ty shipping service.

Are you alright photeq?

[Photekq]

The guy requested a refund? What a twat.

His own fault for not being specific about what shipping he wanted or choosing a cheap & ****ty shipping service.

Are you alright photeq?

i've been ill for the past few days actually. do you disagree with my statements?

[demik]

paypal doesnt give a flying **** about sellers.

and **** that guy for asking for a refund when you had nothing to do with it.

this is exactly why i dont ship anything overseas. the amount of money stuff costs on this isn't worth the trouble. **** proxies and selling overseas.

[ninjadoc]

PM'ed. I can see if resurrection is possible!  I've done it with people but that keyboard looks rough!

[Thimplum]

The guy requested a refund? What a twat.

His own fault for not being specific about what shipping he wanted or choosing a cheap & ****ty shipping service.

Are you alright photeq?

do you disagree with my statements?

yup

Did you even read the post?

[bueller]

This is BS. I say we hold a fundraiser or something, ETC shouldn't be out of pocket because of that prick.

[Photekq]

yup

Did you even read the post?

of course i read the post. i might be ill but i'm not blind. what do you disagree with? :

1. i488 is a twat because he asked for a refund despite the fact it was not OPs fault.
2. OP shouldn't be blamed since the board was broken because i488 and his proxy chose a cheap and crappy delivery service and/or i488s proxy did not package the keyboard correctly

[emptythecache]

I don't want to put all the blame (on a moral level or whatever) on i488. He said to package it securely because the proxy wasn't going to repackage it. You could argue I did underestimate that need. But at the same time, if you are going to use a proxy, getting it from them to you shouldn't be the seller's responsibility. I'm only pissed off because I lost a bunch of money.

For people asking, I can understand that it's hard to value something in this state. The highest offer I've gotten is $200.

Don't do a fundraiser for this.

[Dubsgalore]

Sorry to hear this again....good luck cache.....

[bueller]

I don't want to put all the blame (on a moral level or whatever) on i488. He said to package it securely because the proxy wasn't going to repackage it. You could argue I did underestimate that need. But at the same time, if you are going to use a proxy, getting it from them to you shouldn't be the seller's responsibility. I'm only pissed off because I lost a bunch of money.

For people asking, I can understand that it's hard to value something in this state. The highest offer I've gotten is $200.

Don't do a fundraiser for this.

I think people are more on his case for doing a charge-back. If the keyboard arrived in one piece to the proxy your job is done.

[emptythecache]

He just didn't want to be out $500 either, go easy on him. It's just a ****ty situation.

[kaotikb]

He just didn't want to be out $500 either, go easy on him. It's just a ****ty situation.

Well i feel bad for you, so send me your paypal address and i will send you $20 to help out.

[i488]

i told the seller that his package will come to me through proxy shipping in the exact package he sent to the proxy address.

He is aware of it and promised to pack it firmly.

 after my damaged keyboard arrived I contacted the seller via GH.

 1 week he didnt reply. So I go paypal, asked 200usd back. seller declined.

paypal come in and looked at the case. they decided 500usd full refund.

why am I the one to be blamed?

[Forever]

sadly, paypal is always on buyer's side. But if its like i488 said, it is also ur fault cause u didnt pack the keyboard carefully.

[meiosis]

sadly, paypal is always on buyer's side. But if its like i488 said, it is also ur fault cause u didnt pack the keyboard carefully.

Or at the very least purchase insurance..

[bueller]

sadly, paypal is always on buyer's side. But if its like i488 said, it is also ur fault cause u didnt pack the keyboard carefully.

If the keyboard made it to the proxy's house he did his job just fine. No amount of packaging would have saved that parcel, OP should have bought insurance.

[i488]

sadly, paypal is always on buyer's side. But if its like i488 said, it is also ur fault cause u didnt pack the keyboard carefully.

If the keyboard made it to the proxy's house he did his job just fine. No amount of packaging would have saved that parcel, OP should have bought insurance.

FYI
I had insurance. And I tried to solve it with insurance 1st. And it turns out that only valid prove is invoice or eBay transaction record which I don't have   

[PointyFox]

sadly, paypal is always on buyer's side. But if its like i488 said, it is also ur fault cause u didnt pack the keyboard carefully.

If the keyboard made it to the proxy's house he did his job just fine. No amount of packaging would have saved that parcel, OP should have bought insurance.

FYI
I had insurance. And I tried to solve it with insurance 1st. And it turns out that only valid prove is invoice or eBay transaction record which I don't have   

Could you have filed a claim with whatever company issued the insurance?

[mauri]

If only you two communicated both would've been happy, now both disappointed..

[Ryan Uber]

If the original price was ~500 and the buyer got a full refund, maybe ~250 could find its way back to the seller, and no one is hung out to dry.

[MOZ]

I think it is fairest for emptythecache to sell the keyboard for the best price he can, and then emptythecache and i488 can share the loss (Difference between 500 and the selling price).

No love lost and fair for everyone.

[Polymer]

FYI
I had insurance. And I tried to solve it with insurance 1st. And it turns out that only valid prove is invoice or eBay transaction record which I don't have

You have your paypal invoice..plus you could have asked for one and the seller could've made one up.  The problem is, you didn't wait to try to resolve this...and the reality is, the sellers responsibility ended when it got to your proxy.  The fact that it got damaged from your proxy to you is YOUR fault...not his. 

Instead you didn't want to be out..even though where the keyboard got dumped was after your representative had already received the good.  Congratulations, you've made it so no one will do business with you and people will think twice or thrice about dealing w/ a proxy. 

[Ryan Uber]

I think it is fairest for emptythecache to sell the keyboard for the best price he can, and then emptythecache and i488 can share the loss (Difference between 500 and the selling price).

No love lost and fair for everyone.

Good call - didn't consider funds from salvage keyboard sale.

[SNF]

Someone help the man out and buy the keyboard and save it/revive it/salvage it/something

It's hurts me to see a keyboard like this 

[CalmB4tehPwn]

Plus, the way it's bent, it's kinda ergo?

[emptythecache]

i told the seller that his package will come to me through proxy shipping in the exact package he sent to the proxy address.

He is aware of it and promised to pack it firmly.

 after my damaged keyboard arrived I contacted the seller via GH.

 1 week he didnt reply. So I go paypal, asked 200usd back. seller declined.

paypal come in and looked at the case. they decided 500usd full refund.

why am I the one to be blamed?

you didn't say china. I had no idea china post had a reputation for being rough with packages, and it's not my responsibility to, considering where I shipped it was California. my packaging was perfectly fine for any reasonable parcel service. As people in the other thread said, the way it was damaged would've happened no matter how I packed it. your pm after it arrived didn't ask me for anything, just impugned my packing skills. I felt bad that it happened, but not guilty about my end of the transaction, and certainly not guilty enough to refund you hundreds of dollars for something that wasn't my fault. most importantly, it doesn't matter whether my packaging wasn't good enough for china. if it made it to the proxy, my responsibility as the seller is over. you should've arranged for them to insure it, and if necessary repack it if my packaging was so neglectful.

edit: wouldn't your proof to the insurance company be the receipt from purchasing insurance?

[bueller]

i told the seller that his package will come to me through proxy shipping in the exact package he sent to the proxy address.

He is aware of it and promised to pack it firmly.

 after my damaged keyboard arrived I contacted the seller via GH.

 1 week he didnt reply. So I go paypal, asked 200usd back. seller declined.

paypal come in and looked at the case. they decided 500usd full refund.

why am I the one to be blamed?

you didn't say china. I had no idea china post had a reputation for being rough with packages, and it's not my responsibility to, considering where I shipped it was California. my packaging was perfectly fine for any reasonable parcel service. As people in the other thread said, the way it was damaged would've happened no matter how I packed it. your pm after it arrived didn't ask me for anything, just impugned my packing skills. I felt bad that it happened, but not guilty about my end of the transaction, and certainly not guilty enough to refund you hundreds of dollars for something that wasn't my fault. most importantly, it doesn't matter whether my packaging wasn't good enough for china. if it made it to the proxy, my responsibility as the seller is over. you should've arranged for them to insure it, and if necessary repack it if my packaging was so neglectful.

And the full story comes out. No sympathy for the buyer of the keyboard, you're an idiot.

So sorry that you've had to foot the bill for him being a dumbass ETC.

[CalmB4tehPwn]

Yeah, I agree.
You paid the seller here to send the package to a destination.
He did. It made it safely to it's destination, California.

YOU arranged for it to be shipped again from there, that is YOUR responsibility. He can only insure the package to the proxy, what in HELL do you expect him to do outside of that? This is your own fault i488.

This is why I hate shipping to proxies. Because I lose control over the package, and I lose the ability to guarantee that the damn thing will even show up, let alone showing up in one piece. You asked him for the favor of sending to a proxy.

Hold the phone, guys. Let me EXPLAIN WHAT PROXY MEANS.

Straight from Mirriam-Webster's website:
Proxy - power or authority that is given to allow a person to act for someone else

You have asked the seller in question to send YOUR package, to someone ACTING ON YOUR BEHALF. Any single thing that happens after that package arrives at your proxy, is the responsibility of that proxy. The proxy is someone you have given authority to act on your behalf, meaning that HE DELIVERED THE PACKAGE TO YOUR AGENT. PERIOD. The transaction is complete at this point. He has completed delivery as discussed, and can in no way (except in paypal's ****ed up world) be held accountable for any action that your proxy takes.

I cannot believe people sometimes.

Emptythecache. I really wish I could buy this and try and help you out, but I can't afford to pay you enough to make it worth your while. Hopefully somebody can help make up for this buyer's willful ignorance and dedication to innocence.

[CalmB4tehPwn]

Emptythecache. If the buyer used the term "Proxy" in your discussion and agreement, and you have record of the buyer stating that the package arrived to the proxy in good health, I would contact paypal. Because they might just, one in a million, stick up for the seller.

He asked you to send it someplace, and you did, and it showed up in perfect condition. Anything beyond that is by no stretch of the imagination your responsibility.

[emptythecache]

I told paypal that, they didn't care.

I've gotten an offer I'm going to accept if he's still willing to pay it. I'm going to close the thread later today and ask the mods to delete it because I don't want to bring hell's wrath down on i488. Maybe he screwed up, maybe I screwed up, who knows, but its done now. Don't blackball i488, just be aware that he's in China, and take the precautions to make this not an issue in the future.

[saturnotaku]

Was the proxy's address the one listed on the PayPal invoice, and did it say "OK to ship" when you received payment? If so, and PayPal is still siding with the buyer, I would file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau of San Jose as well as the FTC.

Now if you were paid as a gift or there was no address listed on the invoice, then I'm afraid you are out of luck.

[Thimplum]

yup

Did you even read the post?

of course i read the post. i might be ill but i'm not blind. what do you disagree with? :

1. i488 is a twat because he asked for a refund despite the fact it was not OPs fault.
2. OP shouldn't be blamed since the board was broken because i488 and his proxy chose a cheap and crappy delivery service and/or i488s proxy did not package the keyboard correctly

OH! I thought that you meant that the OP was at fault for choosing an awful shipping service. I agree with you in that case.

[YongJK]

I am afraid to tell that the packaging is not safe at all.
At least, it does not work in China at all.
All the courier packages in China are handled roughly, as bad as you could imagine.

From my multiple experience of purchasing mechanical keyboards from China,
the seller will pack firstly with bubble wraps. A few rounds of wrap.
Later on two sheets of thick, soft-type Styrofoam to place on top and bottom.
finally the package will only put into a firm box.