Fake BroCaps Discussion

[Halverson]

holy **** keycaps look like they're covered in chicken grease

KFCkeycaps.com

Makin me hooooongry.

[Michael]

homie sprays them ****s with soul glo before he ships them out

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[CommonCurt]

homie sprays them ****s with soul glo before he ships them out

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LOL.  One of the best movies ever.

[dustinhxc]

Wow, I go help my kid with his homework and come back and the forums are on fire!

I have nothing to add, really.  Don't like the fakers and hope they get what's coming to them. 

What is the most constructive way for us to support CF and Bro, really?  I mean the flaming is probably fun, but I'm not sure it really does much.  Is there some sort of legal witness we can file against buyers of fake goods?  Report them to customs bureau or something?

Bro put up a thread where he said he was pursuing the legal angle and for us not to do anything rash.

Okay. Let's handle this like adults. Everyone keep the clippings from your toenails. Then we will put them in the beds of all the folks who support the crappity crap fakery.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64073.0

Linking for reference/sharing.

Bro is the best! 

After seeing my the cheap ripoff brobot, you guys have the Brocap’s GA immediately    I think you guys own me one
Competition window-lickers make customers fall in love

https://ctrlalt.io/bro-caps/bunny-bro-loves-you

You call the garbage you produce 'competition'? LOL


http://imgur.com/a/fvWj5

 ) His work is so horrible. Great post Bro.

[radio_killah]

Wow that is really sad that someone has gone out of their way just to spite BroCaps. Even though I personally am not a fan of expensive novelty keycaps I respect BroCaps for his work and think its terrible that anyone would go so low.

[lotus1109]

I neither support fake bb nor people who sell their genuine bb at premium which is 2 or 3 times of the original price

and that's why I never own one
#fate

[exitfire401]

I neither support fake bb nor people who sell their genuine bb at premium which is 2 or 3 times of the original price

and that's why I never own one
#fate

Don't feel bad. I don't either. You'll get one eventually. Just takes a ****load of patience.

[frosty]

This guy is atrocious

[YoungMichael88]

He reminds me of those kids at school who purposely stir up **** with other kids, then run and stand beside a teacher and smile so they don't get the piss beat out of them like they should. In this case the teacher he's using as protection is a different country.

[Motan22]

After seeing my brobot, you guys have the Brocap’s GA immediately    I think you guys own me one
Competition make customers fall in love

https://ctrlalt.io/bro-caps/bunny-bro-loves-you

Ignorant and disrespectful. What you are doing is counterfeiting and anyone with any shred of decency will not go near your "products". Take your irrational spite and fakes elsewhere.

[deci]

Hi, I'm just a noob here but damn I don't know what is more surprising, the fact that there are douche bags counterfeiting IP even in a niche community like this one, or that there are actually people who want to buy them.

It's just straight up stealing, what part of that don't people get?

And even if you are devoid of ethics, isn't the appeal of artisan keycaps to collect something rare and beautiful?
What's the point of collecting ugly fake mass produced garbage?

Mito, I really love the design of Cospar and it was going to be my first SA keyset but I can't understand why you would support this K3 guy and request keycaps from him. I think you are more than intelligent enough to understand why people would be upset about this.

[Puddsy]

^
That's pretty much it, friend.

[lakin.wecker]

Wow.  Reading through that Cospar thread and then this one is a great introduction to the sort of community this place is.  Real friendly.  Good thing I'm new and have zero history.

I really do feel like everyone involved in this is acting like a 5 year old.  Want to boycott someone because you believe they support counterfeiting, fine.  Feel you're being unfairly targeted and it's being misunderstood that you only said that you would support original designs? Fine.  But the personal attacks?  Sheeesh.  Banning everyone who buys Cospar from ever buying from your store again?  Aside from being technically impossible - it's childish.

I plan to buy Cospar because I like it. For no other reason.  Mito - Grow up. Admit that what you said wasn't appropriate and try apologizing.

If ctrlalt.io has a group buy I want in on, I'll join. For no other reason that I like what they're selling. (I, for one, would love a RainDrop keyset).  Trying to ban me from your store if I buy Cospar is a terrible way to treat your potential customers. Grow up and realize that attempting to ban someone like this is a fools errand.

I say all this with the realization that no-one involved will like me much after this. Meh. Hopefully I can go back to ignoring all of this drivel. 

Enjoy your weekend.

[keyton]

Wow.  Reading through that Cospar thread and then this one is a great introduction to the sort of community this place is.  Real friendly.  Good thing I'm new and have zero history.

I really do feel like everyone involved in this is acting like a 5 year old.  Want to boycott someone because you believe they support counterfeiting, fine.  Feel you're being unfairly targeted and it's being misunderstood that you only said that you would support original designs? Fine.  But the personal attacks?  Sheeesh.  Banning everyone who buys Cospar from ever buying from your store again?  Aside from being technically impossible - it's childish.

I plan to buy Cospar because I like it. For no other reason.  Mito - Grow up. Admit that what you said wasn't appropriate and try apologizing.

If ctrlalt.io has a group buy I want in on, I'll join. For no other reason that I like what they're selling. (I, for one, would love a RainDrop keyset).  Trying to ban me from your store if I buy Cospar is a terrible way to treat your potential customers. Grow up and realize that attempting to ban someone like this is a fools errand.

I say all this with the realization that no-one involved will like me much after this. Meh. Hopefully I can go back to ignoring all of this drivel. 

Enjoy your weekend.

You must be new here.

[HoffmanMyster]

Trying to ban me from your store if I buy Cospar is a terrible way to treat your potential customers.

This seems to be a common reaction to hearing that bit of information.  Since you may not know, I will just inform you that ctrlalt.io does not operate as a traditional store, with profits.  They operate in a very community-minded fashion, often losing personal money to ensure that the keysets reach us in a timely manner.  So losing "business" like this really doesn't hurt anyone, except those of you who choose to get banned.

Just thought you might not know that and it would be valuable information.

[whentheclouds]

Reading through that Cospar thread and then this one is a great introduction to the sort of community this place is

you chose the wrong topics for a first impression. this community is full of fantastic people who have been extremely patient to a noob like myself. i'm aware that lots of drama have occurred over the years (they banned DangWong who created one of the most awesome blogs ever), but i don't concern myself with all the background power play and have no reason to.

But the personal attacks?  Sheeesh. 

yeah the attacks were unnecessary, but i figure it's a "you punch my bros i punch back" kind of thing. i would have preferred seeing them take the moral high ground instead of stooping to MiTo's level (a deplorable individual, anyone who has followed his previous GB should be able to see this), but it's understandable

Trying to ban me from your store if I buy Cospar is a terrible way to treat your potential customers. Grow up and realize that attempting to ban someone like this is a fools errand. 

speaking as someone who has only attempted to make a purchase from the CtrlAlt store once, it's easily possible for them to do this, even if it requires unwarranted effort. and since we're dealing with handmade artisan caps where the demand way exceeds the supply, i'd say the ability to order a cap is a privilege, not a right. this privilege can easily be taken away from you if they desire

[MiTo]

I find very funny that some of you refer to me as a "deplorable individual", "ignorant" and other pejorative words without ever talking to me before.

Seriously, most of you don't even know me. You're just hopping on the hate train because some of your "friends" severely disliked my opinion about this K3 dude.

You're taking the pain from individuals that directly exposed, ridiculed and offended me me, on this forum. And if people disrespect me, I'll disrespect them too, simple as that. But that's ok, you can think and support whatever you want.

I already offered help and tried to apologize many times to users that I directly have a problem with.

BunnyLake (came on a high horse on PuLSE's IC demanding that molds should be under somebody's name, even though the legends weren't even decided yet - he also suggested people to boycott PuLSE on his first post ever written to me, it's on the bottom of page 4 of PuLSE's IC thread) never answered and nubbinator (don't know when the hate started, but he asked for help with mockups and I offered it, he never answered, not even my apologizes).

Boycotting Cospar is also a stupid idea, since you're basically boycotting drawings that I submitted to PMK.

They can still sell it if they want, and I won't lose anything if it eventually fails - which is something very unlikely to happen.

Banning people from participating on GBs just because you hate me, Ctrl.Alt?

Go for it, but that won't work.

[lakin.wecker]

Trying to ban me from your store if I buy Cospar is a terrible way to treat your potential customers. Grow up and realize that attempting to ban someone like this is a fools errand. 

speaking as someone who has only attempted to make a purchase from the CtrlAlt store once, it's easily possible for them to do this, even if it requires unwarranted effort. and since we're dealing with handmade artisan caps where the demand way exceeds the supply, i'd say the ability to order a cap is a privilege, not a right. this privilege can easily be taken away from you if they desire

I doubt this is the appropriate forum to discuss this at length, but I thought I might clarify what I meant.  It's completely within their rights to try and block an individual from their store. There is a lot they can do to try and block someone, but it all boils down to using the information given to their site when you visit it, which ranges from Browser/OS version/Browser plugins, IP address,  Email Address, Name, Address to credit card information. All of these things are very easy to change. I was trying to express that trying to block someone from a technical standpoint is pretty much impossible without (for example) blocking everyone else.  If they legitimately don't want me to purchase from them I will likely respect their wishes and not do so.

Trying to ban me from your store if I buy Cospar is a terrible way to treat your potential customers.

This seems to be a common reaction to hearing that bit of information.  Since you may not know, I will just inform you that ctrlalt.io does not operate as a traditional store, with profits.  They operate in a very community-minded fashion, often losing personal money to ensure that the keysets reach us in a timely manner.  So losing "business" like this really doesn't hurt anyone, except those of you who choose to get banned.

Just thought you might not know that and it would be valuable information.

It is valuable information. Thank you.

Those of you who choose to get banned

  I didn't choose to get banned. I chose to purchase Cospar before all of this happened.  ctrlalt.io chose to ban me because I wanted a particular keyset.  Not the other way around.  It's unclear to me whether they will follow through with their attempted ban, but if they do I will likely respect it.

EDIT: removing a misformatted quote.

[MiTo]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

[BunnyLake]

I find very funny that some of you refer to me as a "deplorable individual", "ignorant" and other pejorative words without ever talking to me before.

Seriously, most of you don't even know me. You're just hopping on the hate train because some of your "friends" severely disliked my opinion about this K3 dude.

You're taking the pain from individuals that directly exposed, ridiculed and offended me me, on this forum. And if people disrespect me, I'll disrespect them too, simple as that. But that's ok, you can think and support whatever you want.

I already offered help and tried to apologize many times to users that I directly have a problem with.

BunnyLake (came on a high horse on PuLSE's IC demanding that molds should be under somebody's name, even though the legends weren't even decided yet - he also suggested people to boycott PuLSE on his first post ever written to me, it's on the bottom of page 4 of PuLSE's IC thread) never answered and nubbinator (don't know when the hate started, but he asked for help with mockups and I offered it, he never answered, not even my apologizes).

Boycotting Cospar is also a stupid idea, since you're basically boycotting drawings that I submitted to PMK.

They can still sell it if they want, and I won't lose anything if it eventually fails - which is something very unlikely to happen.

Banning people from participating on GBs just because you hate me, Ctrl.Alt?

Go for it, but that won't work.

you are a deplorable individual who just cant leave it, always finding little ways to stir and bully people and make yourself out to be innocent

running around on other platforms where you think you can get away with it





changing ops so you can get away with lies and slander without posting after mod warnings

look forward to november 1st, then see how well you do after fauxspar

[Michael]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Were you going to apologize for your disgusting behavior and language over at reddit?

[digi]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Confirmed, the GB leader of the fULse Set is a troll.

[IPT]

[MOZ]

I generally just look at my watched threads and the making stuff section because that is where my interests lie and I don't have the time to browse the rest of the forum or the money to browse the market sections, however I had some time in the last week so I decided to explore the happening in the other sections and it made me go back into my hole. I'm not gonna comment on the fake clacks in particular or ongoing arguments between the various members, however it does hurt to see the direction in which things are going in this community, a community which I believe is one of the most friendly and loving on the internet. Reading lakin.wecker's comment hurt me because of what he perceived of this community on his fairly new visit, however certainly how I would have seen the community, if I came in at such a time, lucky for me I have seen the other side of this forum, the more prominent, positive side.

I'm sure BunnyLake knows I love him, and JDCarpe that I respect him immensely, but that doesn't mean I hate MiTo or even K3KC. I always believe no one is bad, just misunderstood or misguided. Thus I just have the following advice for our new members, hopefully they'll understand what I am trying to say and take it in a positive stride.

MiTo, you have an eye for design and creating good looking sets and and even better talent to sell your goods, I know you aren't selling them on PMK as such, but I mean figuratively, you have good marketing skills. Use them wisely and stick to what you do best. I understand what you meant _initially_ when you said you support K3KC, I really do, and I address this below as well, but when people misunderstood your comments, you took things personally and to your ego. Please calm down and reflect on what you did and where your strengths lie, in making awesome colorways. Understand what BunnyLake and JDCarpe have offered to this community, they have helped so many new members, helped out in numerous GBs, which weren't even organised by themselves. JDCarpe has been always approachable by all, specially when designing new keyboards and beginning their keyboard journey. All this without asking anything in return, I know neither are you.

K3KC, you have the time, logistics and tools to create keycaps, why not put those to good use and create your own designs and art. This community is wide and varied, almost anything you envision and create will find takers as there are so many people with different tastes. Let's say, you come to a creative-block or just can't think of ideas for new caps, turn to the community, find what people would like, or make your service available to those that don't have the setup to create their own keycaps but have ideas. The number of keyboard enthusiasts are so few in this world that any financial retun on keycaps or any keyboard related accessory is hardly enough return for most people's sustenance. At the end of the day we are all in it for our love of keyboards and related stuff. Put them skills and assets to good use. It's not too late to apologise and start over, and trust me this community is so friendly and welcoming, they will accept you and love you more than you can imagine.

[MiTo]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Were you going to apologize for your disgusting behavior and language over at reddit?

I already gave up on that individual since I can't even comprehend what he writes most of the time. I'm not joking, never before have I read comments on the Internet that are so hard to understand like his ones. I don't know if it is that lack of punctuation or the word he uses, but seriously it's always hard for me to read. I tried to apologize to him a couple of months ago and he answered that he was "too busy to think of a proper answer".

Also, he offended me on GeekHack and I replied on Reddit that's all.

EDIT: gave* not "have"

[FrostyToast]

I generally just look at my watched threads and the making stuff section because that is where my interests lie and I don't have the time to browse the rest of the forum or the money to browse the market sections, however I had some time in the last week so I decided to explore the happening in the other sections and it made me go back into my hole. I'm not gonna comment on the fake clacks in particular or ongoing arguments between the various members, however it does hurt to see the direction in which things are going in this community, a community which I believe is one of the most friendly and loving on the internet. Reading lakin.wecker's comment hurt me because of what he perceived of this community on his fairly new visit, however certainly how I would have seen the community, if I came in at such a time, lucky for me I have seen the other side of this forum, the more prominent, positive side.

I'm sure BunnyLake knows I love him, and JDCarpe that I respect him immensely, but that doesn't mean I hate MiTo or even K3KC. I always believe no one is bad, just misunderstood or misguided. Thus I just have the following advice for our new members, hopefully they'll understand what I am trying to say and take it in a positive stride.

MiTo, you have an eye for design and creating good looking sets and and even better talent to sell your goods, I know you aren't selling them on PMK as such, but I mean figuratively, you have good marketing skills. Use them wisely and stick to what you do best. I understand what you meant _initially_ when you said you support K3KC, I really do, and I address this below as well, but when people misunderstood your comments, you took things personally and to your ego. Please calm down and reflect on what you did and where your strengths lie, in making awesome colorways. Understand what BunnyLake and JDCarpe have offered to this community, they have helped so many new members, helped out in numerous GBs, which weren't even organised by themselves. JDCarpe has been always approachable by all, specially when designing new keyboards and beginning their keyboard journey. All this without asking anything in return, I know neither are you.

K3KC, you have the time, logistics and tools to create keycaps, why not put those to good use and create your own designs and art. This community is wide and varied, almost anything you envision and create will find takers as there are so many people with different tastes. Let's say, you come to a creative-block or just can't think of ideas for new caps, turn to the community, find what people would like, or make your service available to those that don't have the setup to create their own keycaps but have ideas. The number of keyboard enthusiasts are so few in this world that any financial retun on keycaps or any keyboard related accessory is hardly enough return for most people's sustenance. At the end of the day we are all in it for our love of keyboards and related stuff. Put them skills and assets to good use. It's not too late to apologise and start over, and trust me this community is so friendly and welcoming, they will accept you and love you more than you can imagine.

One of the few posts here that is chill for once.
I think everyone needs to stand back for a moment and get a perspective on this from hindsight. That might douse the flames a bit.

[Krogenar]

Trying to ban me from your store if I buy Cospar is a terrible way to treat your potential customers.

This seems to be a common reaction to hearing that bit of information.  Since you may not know, I will just inform you that ctrlalt.io does not operate as a traditional store, with profits.  They operate in a very community-minded fashion, often losing personal money to ensure that the keysets reach us in a timely manner.  So losing "business" like this really doesn't hurt anyone, except those of you who choose to get banned.

I'll never understand how losing money (or time, sanity, etc.) makes an organization heroic, or in some way 'better' than one that operates at a profit. What you're saying Hoff is that since ctrl.alt's modus operandi is to lose money anyway, losing even more money by banning customers will make them ... more heroic? Or 'community-minded'? By that definition, Hoff, samwisekoi's NuclearData set (run on PMK) is less community-minded than if it had been run at ctrl.alt.

Maybe the people who use PMK can burn some money on an altar for 'the community'? Would that make people feel better?

BL and the team at ctrl.alt shouldn't have to lose money, or sleep, etc. in order to serve the community.

The ban threat seems very petty to me. People are going to buy what they want to buy -- threatening people isn't going to help the 'community'.

[BunnyLake]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Were you going to apologize for your disgusting behavior and language over at reddit?

I already have up on that individual since I can't even comprehend what he writes most of the time. I'm not joking, never before have I read comments on the Internet that are so hard to understand like his ones. I don't know if it is that lack of punctuation or the word he uses, but seriously it's always hard for me to read. I tried to apologize to him a couple of months ago and he answered that he was "too busy to think of a proper answer".

Also, he offended me on GeekHack and I replied on Reddit that's all.

you are so full of ****, everything that comes out of your mouth is lies or blowing smoke up your own arse, i dont think yo ucan see whats happening, shift your inflated pompous ego to one side, and realise what you are doing to yourself

this all started because i tried to help you, you started threatening and **** talking me, then took all of my advice anyway but from jd and gave him a special thanks, then you turn on him

you have zero ethics/morals or remorse, the only time you show any sign of sincerity about your mistakes and actions is when its in your best interest to do so

you run around the internet bullying me, calling me names, making me out to be the bad guy, but i think if you take a look around here, and the people sticking up for me, there would be a reason for that

you say me banning people will do nothing, ive had tons of pms showing me support, and congratulating me for taking a stand against you, ive even had people cancel their pulse orders to show support

this could have all been very different if you either took the help that was offered to you or graciously declined

your trouble is, you think you are this great social manipulator, rallying people around and making people do all the work for you, the trouble is you cant keep it up, your a sad pathetic little man way out of his depth and struggling to keep control, lashing out at me because you odnt know what else to do

me and many others are starting a petition to have you removed from pmk, i dont think they will want someone saying stuff like this to people they work with



saying things like this to large customers of theirs



and being generally rude to their customers

[exitfire401]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Were you going to apologize for your disgusting behavior and language over at reddit?

I already have up on that individual since I can't even comprehend what he writes most of the time. I'm not joking, never before have I read comments on the Internet that are so hard to understand like his ones. I don't know if it is that lack of punctuation or the word he uses, but seriously it's always hard for me to read. I tried to apologize to him a couple of months ago and he answered that he was "too busy to think of a proper answer".

Also, he offended me on GeekHack and I replied on Reddit that's all.

you are so full of ****, everything that comes out of your mouth is lies or blowing smoke up your own arse, i dont think yo ucan see whats happening, shift your inflated pompous ego to one side, and realise what you are doing to yourself

this all started because i tried to help you, you started threatening and **** talking me, then took all of my advice anyway but from jd and gave him a special thanks, then you turn on him

you have zero ethics/morals or remorse, the only time you show any sign of sincerity about your mistakes and actions is when its in your best interest to do so

you run around the internet bullying me, calling me names, making me out to be the bad guy, but i think if you take a look around here, and the people sticking up for me, there would be a reason for that

you say me banning people will do nothing, ive had tons of pms showing me support, and congratulating me for taking a stand against you, ive even had people cancel their pulse orders to show support

this could have all been very different if you either took the help that was offered to you or graciously declined

your trouble is, you think you are this great social manipulator, rallying people around and making people do all the work for you, the trouble is you cant keep it up, your a sad pathetic little man way out of his depth and struggling to keep control, lashing out at me because you odnt know what else to do

me and many others are starting a petition to have you removed from pmk, i dont think they will want someone saying stuff like this to people they work with

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saying things like this to large customers of theirs

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and being generally rude to their customers

Alright, personal attacks are done on all threads. Enough. You're grown ass men. Walk away from the keyboard, or handle it privately.

[SpAmRaY]

BunnyLake (came on a high horse on PuLSE's IC demanding that molds should be under somebody's name, even though the legends weren't even decided yet - he also suggested people to boycott PuLSE on his first post ever written to me, it's on the bottom of page 4 of PuLSE's IC thread)

I was participating in that thread at the time and what you are saying is a misrepresentation of what was going on at the time.

Bunny's first post http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61822.msg1443018#msg1443018

TL;DR: The discussion was over the fact you wanted the community to crowdfund the cherry font legends for SA and bunny was trying to explain whoever paid for those legends would have the exclusive right to the molds unless otherwise noted with SP.

From the beginning in your Pulse IC it was clear you were new and many of us tried to help guide you because there were many things you didn't know and you took offense to that and things have been spiraling since.

EDIT: I took too long to reply....but this is still a valid observation.

[baldgye]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Were you going to apologize for your disgusting behavior and language over at reddit?

I already have up on that individual since I can't even comprehend what he writes most of the time. I'm not joking, never before have I read comments on the Internet that are so hard to understand like his ones. I don't know if it is that lack of punctuation or the word he uses, but seriously it's always hard for me to read. I tried to apologize to him a couple of months ago and he answered that he was "too busy to think of a proper answer".

Also, he offended me on GeekHack and I replied on Reddit that's all.

you are so full of ****, everything that comes out of your mouth is lies or blowing smoke up your own arse, i dont think yo ucan see whats happening, shift your inflated pompous ego to one side, and realise what you are doing to yourself

this all started because i tried to help you, you started threatening and **** talking me, then took all of my advice anyway but from jd and gave him a special thanks, then you turn on him

you have zero ethics/morals or remorse, the only time you show any sign of sincerity about your mistakes and actions is when its in your best interest to do so

you run around the internet bullying me, calling me names, making me out to be the bad guy, but i think if you take a look around here, and the people sticking up for me, there would be a reason for that

you say me banning people will do nothing, ive had tons of pms showing me support, and congratulating me for taking a stand against you, ive even had people cancel their pulse orders to show support

this could have all been very different if you either took the help that was offered to you or graciously declined

your trouble is, you think you are this great social manipulator, rallying people around and making people do all the work for you, the trouble is you cant keep it up, your a sad pathetic little man way out of his depth and struggling to keep control, lashing out at me because you odnt know what else to do

me and many others are starting a petition to have you removed from pmk, i dont think they will want someone saying stuff like this to people they work with

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saying things like this to large customers of theirs

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and being generally rude to their customers

Alright, personal attacks are done on all threads. Enough. You're grown ass men. Walk away from the keyboard, or handle it privately.

Why?
People like me would then miss out and not be able to make informed opinions and decisions about people running stores/GB's.
Having this open and in public allows users (like me) to make informed decisions and choices about where my money (and thus support) goes. If this was handled behind closed doors I wouldn't know anything about any of this and be potentially sending money and supporting people I would (have I known all the facts) never want anything to do with.

[jdcarpe]

Alright, personal attacks are done on all threads. Enough. You're grown ass men. Walk away from the keyboard, or handle it privately.

Why?
People like me would then miss out and not be able to make informed opinions and decisions about people running stores/GB's.
Having this open and in public allows users (like me) to make informed decisions and choices about where my money (and thus support) goes. If this was handled behind closed doors I wouldn't know anything about any of this and be potentially sending money and supporting people I would (have I known all the facts) never want anything to do with.

This. People need to know why this is happening, not just that it's happening.

Even an unbiased outside observer can read through the PuLSE IC thread and see what happened between BunnyLake and MiTo there. And read the FakeBro thread, and see what MiTo supports there. Go to the thread on reddit, and see his posts, which are what BunnyLake copied and pasted here. Be informed before you support one party or the other.

[MOZ]

I generally just look at my watched threads and the making stuff section because that is where my interests lie and I don't have the time to browse the rest of the forum or the money to browse the market sections, however I had some time in the last week so I decided to explore the happening in the other sections and it made me go back into my hole. I'm not gonna comment on the fake clacks in particular or ongoing arguments between the various members, however it does hurt to see the direction in which things are going in this community, a community which I believe is one of the most friendly and loving on the internet. Reading lakin.wecker's comment hurt me because of what he perceived of this community on his fairly new visit, however certainly how I would have seen the community, if I came in at such a time, lucky for me I have seen the other side of this forum, the more prominent, positive side.

I'm sure BunnyLake knows I love him, and JDCarpe that I respect him immensely, but that doesn't mean I hate MiTo or even K3KC. I always believe no one is bad, just misunderstood or misguided. Thus I just have the following advice for our new members, hopefully they'll understand what I am trying to say and take it in a positive stride.

MiTo, you have an eye for design and creating good looking sets and and even better talent to sell your goods, I know you aren't selling them on PMK as such, but I mean figuratively, you have good marketing skills. Use them wisely and stick to what you do best. I understand what you meant _initially_ when you said you support K3KC, I really do, and I address this below as well, but when people misunderstood your comments, you took things personally and to your ego. Please calm down and reflect on what you did and where your strengths lie, in making awesome colorways. Understand what BunnyLake and JDCarpe have offered to this community, they have helped so many new members, helped out in numerous GBs, which weren't even organised by themselves. JDCarpe has been always approachable by all, specially when designing new keyboards and beginning their keyboard journey. All this without asking anything in return, I know neither are you.

K3KC, you have the time, logistics and tools to create keycaps, why not put those to good use and create your own designs and art. This community is wide and varied, almost anything you envision and create will find takers as there are so many people with different tastes. Let's say, you come to a creative-block or just can't think of ideas for new caps, turn to the community, find what people would like, or make your service available to those that don't have the setup to create their own keycaps but have ideas. The number of keyboard enthusiasts are so few in this world that any financial retun on keycaps or any keyboard related accessory is hardly enough return for most people's sustenance. At the end of the day we are all in it for our love of keyboards and related stuff. Put them skills and assets to good use. It's not too late to apologise and start over, and trust me this community is so friendly and welcoming, they will accept you and love you more than you can imagine.

One of the few posts here that is chill for once.
I think everyone needs to stand back for a moment and get a perspective on this from hindsight. That might douse the flames a bit.

Thank you, but seems the post got lost in the mountain of hate. When a fight like this happens in real life among my friends, I shriek like a little girl while stomping my feet, and everyone shuts up, takes a step back, reflects; apologies all around and a fun night follows. Wish it were that simple online.

[exitfire401]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Were you going to apologize for your disgusting behavior and language over at reddit?

I already have up on that individual since I can't even comprehend what he writes most of the time. I'm not joking, never before have I read comments on the Internet that are so hard to understand like his ones. I don't know if it is that lack of punctuation or the word he uses, but seriously it's always hard for me to read. I tried to apologize to him a couple of months ago and he answered that he was "too busy to think of a proper answer".

Also, he offended me on GeekHack and I replied on Reddit that's all.

you are so full of ****, everything that comes out of your mouth is lies or blowing smoke up your own arse, i dont think yo ucan see whats happening, shift your inflated pompous ego to one side, and realise what you are doing to yourself

this all started because i tried to help you, you started threatening and **** talking me, then took all of my advice anyway but from jd and gave him a special thanks, then you turn on him

you have zero ethics/morals or remorse, the only time you show any sign of sincerity about your mistakes and actions is when its in your best interest to do so

you run around the internet bullying me, calling me names, making me out to be the bad guy, but i think if you take a look around here, and the people sticking up for me, there would be a reason for that

you say me banning people will do nothing, ive had tons of pms showing me support, and congratulating me for taking a stand against you, ive even had people cancel their pulse orders to show support

this could have all been very different if you either took the help that was offered to you or graciously declined

your trouble is, you think you are this great social manipulator, rallying people around and making people do all the work for you, the trouble is you cant keep it up, your a sad pathetic little man way out of his depth and struggling to keep control, lashing out at me because you odnt know what else to do

me and many others are starting a petition to have you removed from pmk, i dont think they will want someone saying stuff like this to people they work with

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saying things like this to large customers of theirs

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and being generally rude to their customers

Alright, personal attacks are done on all threads. Enough. You're grown ass men. Walk away from the keyboard, or handle it privately.

Why?
People like me would then miss out and not be able to make informed opinions and decisions about people running stores/GB's.
Having this open and in public allows users (like me) to make informed decisions and choices about where my money (and thus support) goes. If this was handled behind closed doors I wouldn't know anything about any of this and be potentially sending money and supporting people I would (have I known all the facts) never want anything to do with.

It's not like the information isn't out there. This has just gone on long enough. Every single day, it's the same two people having it out. It's a derailment from the topic at hand, is against ToS, and does not have a place here. Making informed decisions on where to put your money is fine, and in this case, you have more than enough evidence to choose what you do for yourself, thus why I'm ending it now.

[SpAmRaY]

When a fight like this happens in real life among my friends, I shriek like a little girl while stomping my feet, and everyone shuts up, takes a step back, reflects; apologies all around and a fun night follows. Wish it were that simple online.

That deserves its own youtube video NOW!

Then next time this happens we can post it.  )

[BunnyLake]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Were you going to apologize for your disgusting behavior and language over at reddit?

I already have up on that individual since I can't even comprehend what he writes most of the time. I'm not joking, never before have I read comments on the Internet that are so hard to understand like his ones. I don't know if it is that lack of punctuation or the word he uses, but seriously it's always hard for me to read. I tried to apologize to him a couple of months ago and he answered that he was "too busy to think of a proper answer".

Also, he offended me on GeekHack and I replied on Reddit that's all.

you are so full of ****, everything that comes out of your mouth is lies or blowing smoke up your own arse, i dont think yo ucan see whats happening, shift your inflated pompous ego to one side, and realise what you are doing to yourself

this all started because i tried to help you, you started threatening and **** talking me, then took all of my advice anyway but from jd and gave him a special thanks, then you turn on him

you have zero ethics/morals or remorse, the only time you show any sign of sincerity about your mistakes and actions is when its in your best interest to do so

you run around the internet bullying me, calling me names, making me out to be the bad guy, but i think if you take a look around here, and the people sticking up for me, there would be a reason for that

you say me banning people will do nothing, ive had tons of pms showing me support, and congratulating me for taking a stand against you, ive even had people cancel their pulse orders to show support

this could have all been very different if you either took the help that was offered to you or graciously declined

your trouble is, you think you are this great social manipulator, rallying people around and making people do all the work for you, the trouble is you cant keep it up, your a sad pathetic little man way out of his depth and struggling to keep control, lashing out at me because you odnt know what else to do

me and many others are starting a petition to have you removed from pmk, i dont think they will want someone saying stuff like this to people they work with

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saying things like this to large customers of theirs

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and being generally rude to their customers

Alright, personal attacks are done on all threads. Enough. You're grown ass men. Walk away from the keyboard, or handle it privately.

Why?
People like me would then miss out and not be able to make informed opinions and decisions about people running stores/GB's.
Having this open and in public allows users (like me) to make informed decisions and choices about where my money (and thus support) goes. If this was handled behind closed doors I wouldn't know anything about any of this and be potentially sending money and supporting people I would (have I known all the facts) never want anything to do with.

It's not like the information isn't out there. This has just gone on long enough. Every single day, it's the same two people having it out. It's a derailment from the topic at hand, is against ToS, and does not have a place here. Making informed decisions on where to put your money is fine, and in this case, you have more than enough evidence to choose what you do for yourself, thus why I'm ending it now.

and giving me a warning without messaging me or giving me any other explanation, i had totally stopped, as requested by a mod i was speaking to about the situation

mito comes back on and starts again, i did what the mod told me, which was to message them and report the post, mito continued, so i replied to his post

so at the very least, i would like an explanation sent to me about why im having moderation action against me

[whentheclouds]

I'll never understand how losing money (or time, sanity, etc.) makes an organization heroic, or in some way 'better' than one that operates at a profit.

i think what he's saying is that, since CtrlAlt doesn't share the same traditional philosophies regarding profits, they also have different standards concerning how they value their customers. and ultimately, the customer has more to lose by missing out on sales than the store itself. not that they're martyrs for operating at a loss

[baldgye]

@exitfire
I don't really agree with your stance, but it's pointless to argue/debate with a mod about rules.

I hope when this is shaken out that someone can post the fallout as tracking down all this stuff on Reddit and other sites etc isn't always the easiest thing. And it would be nice to have it archived on here as Mito's GB was run from here (I assume anyway).

[exitfire401]

and giving me a warning without messaging me or giving me any other explanation, i had totally stopped, as requested by a mod i was speaking to about the situation

mito comes back on and starts again, i did what the mod told me, which was to message them and report the post, mito continued, so i replied to his post

so at the very least, i would like an explanation sent to me about why im having moderation action against me

After discussion on this topic:

• you were both warned about this multiple times in the thread
  
• You have done this before with other users
  
• You could have easily ignored the last post by him, but continued to reply after being warned for a final time
  
  

There was a message that was attached to the warning, the box must have not gotten checked prior to the warning being issued.

[exitfire401]

@exitfire
I don't really agree with your stance, but it's pointless to argue/debate with a mod about rules.

I hope when this is shaken out that someone can post the fallout as tracking down all this stuff on Reddit and other sites etc isn't always the easiest thing. And it would be nice to have it archived on here as Mito's GB was run from here (I assume anyway).

As I said, there are plenty of examples on here of the way he has acted. You can either look in his post history here, or look in threads for other buys that he has run/had a part in. We're not removing any material at all. It's all still there in plain sight.

[henz]

Hopefully you guys can continue to answer the noobs questions now too many elders in one place.

I myself felt like the Pulse GB thread felt icky from the beginning, Something about his bragging when hitting MOQ disguested me.Then the storm started.

[SpAmRaY]

@exitfire
I don't really agree with your stance, but it's pointless to argue/debate with a mod about rules.

I hope when this is shaken out that someone can post the fallout as tracking down all this stuff on Reddit and other sites etc isn't always the easiest thing. And it would be nice to have it archived on here as Mito's GB was run from here (I assume anyway).

As I said, there are plenty of examples on here of the way he has acted. You can either look in his post history here, or look in threads for other buys that he has run/had a part in. We're not removing any material at all. It's all still there in plain sight.

But there were some things that the mods already deleted.

@exitfire
I don't really agree with your stance, but it's pointless to argue/debate with a mod about rules.

I hope when this is shaken out that someone can post the fallout as tracking down all this stuff on Reddit and other sites etc isn't always the easiest thing. And it would be nice to have it archived on here as Mito's GB was run from here (I assume anyway).

reddit for MiTo https://www.reddit.com/user/Lyqu1d

[baldgye]

Grazie Spam

[demik]

Also, if anyone wants to apologize for all this stupidity, I'm wide open to it.

I just want to design and share ideas, as I love mechs as all of you do.

Were you going to apologize for your disgusting behavior and language over at reddit?

I already have up on that individual since I can't even comprehend what he writes most of the time. I'm not joking, never before have I read comments on the Internet that are so hard to understand like his ones. I don't know if it is that lack of punctuation or the word he uses, but seriously it's always hard for me to read. I tried to apologize to him a couple of months ago and he answered that he was "too busy to think of a proper answer".

Also, he offended me on GeekHack and I replied on Reddit that's all.

you are so full of ****, everything that comes out of your mouth is lies or blowing smoke up your own arse, i dont think yo ucan see whats happening, shift your inflated pompous ego to one side, and realise what you are doing to yourself

this all started because i tried to help you, you started threatening and **** talking me, then took all of my advice anyway but from jd and gave him a special thanks, then you turn on him

you have zero ethics/morals or remorse, the only time you show any sign of sincerity about your mistakes and actions is when its in your best interest to do so

you run around the internet bullying me, calling me names, making me out to be the bad guy, but i think if you take a look around here, and the people sticking up for me, there would be a reason for that

you say me banning people will do nothing, ive had tons of pms showing me support, and congratulating me for taking a stand against you, ive even had people cancel their pulse orders to show support

this could have all been very different if you either took the help that was offered to you or graciously declined

your trouble is, you think you are this great social manipulator, rallying people around and making people do all the work for you, the trouble is you cant keep it up, your a sad pathetic little man way out of his depth and struggling to keep control, lashing out at me because you odnt know what else to do

me and many others are starting a petition to have you removed from pmk, i dont think they will want someone saying stuff like this to people they work with

Show Image

saying things like this to large customers of theirs

Show Image

and being generally rude to their customers

Alright, personal attacks are done on all threads. Enough. You're grown ass men. Walk away from the keyboard, or handle it privately.

Why?
People like me would then miss out and not be able to make informed opinions and decisions about people running stores/GB's.
Having this open and in public allows users (like me) to make informed decisions and choices about where my money (and thus support) goes. If this was handled behind closed doors I wouldn't know anything about any of this and be potentially sending money and supporting people I would (have I known all the facts) never want anything to do with.

It's not like the information isn't out there. This has just gone on long enough. Every single day, it's the same two people having it out. It's a derailment from the topic at hand, is against ToS, and does not have a place here. Making informed decisions on where to put your money is fine, and in this case, you have more than enough evidence to choose what you do for yourself, thus why I'm ending it now.

and giving me a warning without messaging me or giving me any other explanation, i had totally stopped, as requested by a mod i was speaking to about the situation

mito comes back on and starts again, i did what the mod told me, which was to message them and report the post, mito continued, so i replied to his post

so at the very least, i would like an explanation sent to me about why im having moderation action against me

youre wasting your time with this top flight security mod. he has a habit of warning with no explanation.

more annoying than magically deleted posts.

[henz]

youre wasting your time with this top flight security mod. he has a habit of warning with no explanation.

more annoying than magically deleted posts.

I giggled. How many have you had?

[SpAmRaY]

youre wasting your time with this top flight security mod. he has a habit of warning with no explanation.

more annoying than magically deleted posts.

I giggled. How many have you had?

demik's really got the most posts of anyone on the forum

[strict]

As I said, there are plenty of examples on here of the way he has acted. You can either look in his post history here, or look in threads for other buys that he has run/had a part in. We're not removing any material at all. It's all still there in plain sight.

false, I saw at least half a dozen posts get nuked from the COSPAR thread

[demik]

youre wasting your time with this top flight security mod. he has a habit of warning with no explanation.

more annoying than magically deleted posts.

I giggled. How many have you had?

deleted posts? i dunno ask photoelectric and mod team account they use hide behind. havent had a warning yet.

btw guys keep to the topic. mods dont give a **** what you think. maybe one or two do(hoff <3), the rest are busy being the very best they can be.

[henz]

As I said, there are plenty of examples on here of the way he has acted. You can either look in his post history here, or look in threads for other buys that he has run/had a part in. We're not removing any material at all. It's all still there in plain sight.

false, I saw at least half a dozen posts get nuked from the COSPAR thread

Ye me too. But in fairness, hoffy said he would remove it.

Its unfortunate that it escalated so much. Hope this flaming does not hide the fact that what happened was basically nice gestures form the GH members and bad response from MITO, also stating that he supports the K3 fakester did not help him in getting loved by the community so to say.

[BunnyLake]

youre wasting your time with this top flight security mod. he has a habit of warning with no explanation.

more annoying than magically deleted posts.

I giggled. How many have you had?

deleted posts? i dunno ask photoelectric and mod team account they use hide behind. havent had a warning yet.

btw guys keep to the topic. mods dont give a **** what you think. maybe one or two do(hoff <3), the rest are busy being the very best they can be.

id just like to add, i had been dealing with this with hoff, and he was handling it very well with me, being open and professional