Fake BroCaps Discussion

[CPTBadAss]

I would like to throw my towel into this debate and say I'm mad that some of the CTRL ALT team is using the wrong avatar. BTBAM obviously came up with it, not this weird FAUX thing. Ugh.

[tjcaustin]

I know you're trying to bring more levity into this, but my pedant-o-meter is bouncing off the stops...


arrrgh

[dorkvader]

I generally just look at my watched threads and the making stuff section because that is where my interests lie and I don't have the time to browse the rest of the forum or the money to browse the market sections, however I had some time in the last week so I decided to explore the happening in the other sections and it made me go back into my hole. I'm not gonna comment on the fake clacks in particular or ongoing arguments between the various members, however it does hurt to see the direction in which things are going in this community, a community which I believe is one of the most friendly and loving on the internet. Reading lakin.wecker's comment hurt me because of what he perceived of this community on his fairly new visit, however certainly how I would have seen the community, if I came in at such a time, lucky for me I have seen the other side of this forum, the more prominent, positive side.

I'm sure BunnyLake knows I love him, and JDCarpe that I respect him immensely, but that doesn't mean I hate MiTo or even K3KC. I always believe no one is bad, just misunderstood or misguided. Thus I just have the following advice for our new members, hopefully they'll understand what I am trying to say and take it in a positive stride.

MiTo, you have an eye for design and creating good looking sets and and even better talent to sell your goods, I know you aren't selling them on PMK as such, but I mean figuratively, you have good marketing skills. Use them wisely and stick to what you do best. I understand what you meant _initially_ when you said you support K3KC, I really do, and I address this below as well, but when people misunderstood your comments, you took things personally and to your ego. Please calm down and reflect on what you did and where your strengths lie, in making awesome colorways. Understand what BunnyLake and JDCarpe have offered to this community, they have helped so many new members, helped out in numerous GBs, which weren't even organised by themselves. JDCarpe has been always approachable by all, specially when designing new keyboards and beginning their keyboard journey. All this without asking anything in return, I know neither are you.

K3KC, you have the time, logistics and tools to create keycaps, why not put those to good use and create your own designs and art. This community is wide and varied, almost anything you envision and create will find takers as there are so many people with different tastes. Let's say, you come to a creative-block or just can't think of ideas for new caps, turn to the community, find what people would like, or make your service available to those that don't have the setup to create their own keycaps but have ideas. The number of keyboard enthusiasts are so few in this world that any financial retun on keycaps or any keyboard related accessory is hardly enough return for most people's sustenance. At the end of the day we are all in it for our love of keyboards and related stuff. Put them skills and assets to good use. It's not too late to apologise and start over, and trust me this community is so friendly and welcoming, they will accept you and love you more than you can imagine.

One of the best posts I've ever read. I'm going to print this out and refer back to it on occasion. I agree with MOZ, but his Language skills far surpass mine, and he is able to say what I cannot with a subtlety I yet lack.

This topic is not worthy of such an excellent post.

[trizkut]

One of the best posts I've ever read. I'm going to print this out and refer back to it on occasion. I agree with MOZ, but his Language skills far surpass mine, and he is able to say what I cannot with a subtlety I yet lack.

This topic is not worthy of such an excellent post.

We're not worthy!


You are a better man than I, MOZ, to be able to see the good in everyone.

[Lurch]

MOZ, you are an legend. Thank you for being you.

[CPTBadAss]

I know you're trying to bring more levity into this, but my pedant-o-meter is bouncing off the stops...

Shhhhh, hush child.

[Dyslexic]

I'm sure BunnyLake knows I love him, and JDCarpe that I respect him immensely, but that doesn't mean I hate MiTo or even K3KC. I always believe no one is bad, just misunderstood or misguided. Thus I just have the following advice for our new members, hopefully they'll understand what I am trying to say and take it in a positive stride.

One of the best posts I've ever read. I'm going to print this out and refer back to it on occasion. I agree with MOZ, but his Language skills far surpass mine, and he is able to say what I cannot with a subtlety I yet lack.

This topic is not worthy of such an excellent post.

Disagree, and it's specifically due to the bolded portion of text in the embedded quote. K3 has specifically called out Bro and thrown down the gauntlet by posting pics of counterfeit caps in Bro's own forum. That's not being misguided, that's being a slimy piece of ****. MiTo has joined the very same pile by throwing his support behind him. There's a time to be nice, and there's a time to call things the way they are. K3 and MiTo are scum.

[eth0s]

I generally just look at my watched threads and the making stuff section because that is where my interests lie and I don't have the time to browse the rest of the forum or the money to browse the market sections, however I had some time in the last week so I decided to explore the happening in the other sections and it made me go back into my hole. I'm not gonna comment on the fake clacks in particular or ongoing arguments between the various members, however it does hurt to see the direction in which things are going in this community, a community which I believe is one of the most friendly and loving on the internet. Reading lakin.wecker's comment hurt me because of what he perceived of this community on his fairly new visit, however certainly how I would have seen the community, if I came in at such a time, lucky for me I have seen the other side of this forum, the more prominent, positive side.

I'm sure BunnyLake knows I love him, and JDCarpe that I respect him immensely, but that doesn't mean I hate MiTo or even K3KC. I always believe no one is bad, just misunderstood or misguided. Thus I just have the following advice for our new members, hopefully they'll understand what I am trying to say and take it in a positive stride.

MiTo, you have an eye for design and creating good looking sets and and even better talent to sell your goods, I know you aren't selling them on PMK as such, but I mean figuratively, you have good marketing skills. Use them wisely and stick to what you do best. I understand what you meant _initially_ when you said you support K3KC, I really do, and I address this below as well, but when people misunderstood your comments, you took things personally and to your ego. Please calm down and reflect on what you did and where your strengths lie, in making awesome colorways. Understand what BunnyLake and JDCarpe have offered to this community, they have helped so many new members, helped out in numerous GBs, which weren't even organised by themselves. JDCarpe has been always approachable by all, specially when designing new keyboards and beginning their keyboard journey. All this without asking anything in return, I know neither are you.

K3KC, you have the time, logistics and tools to create keycaps, why not put those to good use and create your own designs and art. This community is wide and varied, almost anything you envision and create will find takers as there are so many people with different tastes. Let's say, you come to a creative-block or just can't think of ideas for new caps, turn to the community, find what people would like, or make your service available to those that don't have the setup to create their own keycaps but have ideas. The number of keyboard enthusiasts are so few in this world that any financial retun on keycaps or any keyboard related accessory is hardly enough return for most people's sustenance. At the end of the day we are all in it for our love of keyboards and related stuff. Put them skills and assets to good use. It's not too late to apologise and start over, and trust me this community is so friendly and welcoming, they will accept you and love you more than you can imagine.

One of the best posts I've ever read. I'm going to print this out and refer back to it on occasion. I agree with MOZ, but his Language skills far surpass mine, and he is able to say what I cannot with a subtlety I yet lack.

This topic is not worthy of such an excellent post.

Hmm, yeah, I guess Moz is a nicer person them me as well.  But Mito (whoever that is) and K3KC are definitely worse people than me.  They are the ass-end of humanity.  They spew crap out on the rest of us.  I have given up on people like that, tbh.  I just want them to go away.  Mainly because I don't think they can or want to reform themselves.  They are douchebags, and are proud to be douchebags, and have no interest in being anything less than 100% douchey.  So f*ck 'em.

[tjcaustin]

I know you're trying to bring more levity into this, but my pedant-o-meter is bouncing off the stops...

Shhhhh, hush child.

You win this time, Gadget.

[HoffmanMyster]

I just got out of my string of meetings today, so I wanted to quickly address a few things that might not be strictly necessary, but oh well.

I'll never understand how losing money (or time, sanity, etc.) makes an organization heroic, or in some way 'better' than one that operates at a profit.

i think what he's saying is that, since CtrlAlt doesn't share the same traditional philosophies regarding profits, they also have different standards concerning how they value their customers. and ultimately, the customer has more to lose by missing out on sales than the store itself. not that they're martyrs for operating at a loss

This is exactly what I meant.  I'm sorry if it seemed like I was implying they were heroes because of this (to be honest, I kind of do still think that, but it was not the crux of my statement/argument).  I was simply trying to explain the logic.

As I said, there are plenty of examples on here of the way he has acted. You can either look in his post history here, or look in threads for other buys that he has run/had a part in. We're not removing any material at all. It's all still there in plain sight.

false, I saw at least half a dozen posts get nuked from the COSPAR thread

Ye me too. But in fairness, hoffy said he would remove it.

This is also true.  I gave *more* than enough warning, so anything past the final final warning was absolutely fair game to remove.  If anyone has any complaints about that or wants to discuss this action taken, I am always happy to discuss my moderation actions via PM.

Thanks for keeping this thread fairly civil, everyone. 

[MOZ]

Dorkvader, thank you for the kind words, I am honored.

Regarding what's been said above, I really don't believe MiTo or K3KC are "douchebags", "slime of ****" or "scums". I am no psychologist or shrink, however from what I understand, and please understand this is my understanding of these people, not subject to objectification of being correct or wrong.

I think MiTo was quick to go on the defensive and then become a little to aggresssive when BunnyLake tried to clear the ownership of the legends in the Pulse IC in interest of the community, which always seems to be his highest priority. MiTo got the wrong idea, and again not necessarily his fault, just the way he reacted, and I hope someone would have tried to calmly explain this to him (Some people take more explanation and time, nothing wrong with that). Then him supporting K3KC took the wrong turn, because we as a community were not happy with K3KC and his activities along with anyone that would be remotely associated with him or showed any support to him. MiTo again reacted a little rashly taking an aggressive stand and taking personal jibes at nubbinator, which might just be his natural first reaction and the way he is wired, again I would like to emphasise, there is nothing wrong with this, it just requires a little more maturity from the other side to understand this could be an involuntary reaction to being  under the hammer. Things then spiraled out of control from both ends, both sides making and taking rash decisions out of anger.

Regarding K3KC, I know he produced fake clacks, but did anyone try to understand why? Beyond the common answer of, making profit? I, when I cam to this forum didn't understand the reason for the extremely high price of CCs and might have even bought keycaps from K3KC at that time, but why? Well many of us, from humble backgrounds don't have the money to buy real CCs, and would just like a cool looking "skull" (Yes the particular CC skull) on our keyboards. The issue is, I didn't understand the "art" value of the keycap, the fact that CC spent time, effort, money and a part of himself to come up with the design of the skull. This can be hard for many to see at first, and once they do, they will understand the true value. Remember when I started the ceamocaps project, i made a very ugly CC replica on acrylic? I was attacked, and that is when I understood what was wrong and the true value of CC. This realization is what K3KC is missing. I'm sure he looks at CC for the mere objects they are and not the art value. I can understand this because in India (At least from where I come from) most people measure the value of a thing from its materialistic cost only, not even the labor cost since it is so cheap here, forget intellectual and art value. And I believe anyone can fall a victim to this. When these fake CCs came to light on geekhack, we acted with hostility, understandably so, because we love our CCs. Then it became more a show of power from K3KC, and he says this himself regarding brobots, he had no initial intention but because Brobot wasn't "friendly" with him, he decided to make them anyway. With reddit, he found a group of like-minded people and he didn't realize that he was feeding off someone else's work. Maybe if we were nice and made him realise his mistake, things wouldn't have gone as far as they have.

[Dyslexic]

Regarding what's been said above, I really don't believe MiTo or K3KC are "douchebags", "slime of ****" or "scums". I am no psychologist or shrink, however from what I understand, and please understand this is my understanding of these people, not subject to objectification of being correct or wrong.

Regarding K3KC, I know he produced fake clacks, but did anyone try to understand why? Beyond the common answer of, making profit? I, when I cam to this forum didn't understand the reason for the extremely high price of CCs and might have even bought keycaps from K3KC at that time, but why? Well many of us, from humble backgrounds don't have the money to buy real CCs, and would just like a cool looking "skull" (Yes the particular CC skull) on our keyboards. The issue is, I didn't understand the "art" value of the keycap, the fact that CC spent time, effort, money and a part of himself to come up with the design of the skull. This can be hard for many to see at first, and once they do, they will understand the true value. Remember when I started the ceamocaps project, i made a very ugly CC replica on acrylic? I was attacked, and that is when I understood what was wrong and the true value of CC. This realization is what K3KC is missing. I'm sure he looks at CC for the mere objects they are and not the art value. I can understand this because in India (At least from where I come from) most people measure the value of a thing from its materialistic cost only, not even the labor cost since it is so cheap here, forget intellectual and art value. And I believe anyone can fall a victim to this. When these fake CCs came to light on geekhack, we acted with hostility, understandably so, because we love our CCs. Then it became more a show of power from K3KC, and he says this himself regarding brobots, he had no initial intention but because Brobot wasn't "friendly" with him, he decided to make them anyway. With reddit, he found a group of like-minded people and he didn't realize that he was feeding off someone else's work. Maybe if we were nice and made him realise his mistake, things wouldn't have gone as far as they have.

What a load of tripe. He posted pics in the creators' own forums taunting them with counterfeit work with a month between each instance. This isn't about a lack of understanding, it's about K3 being fundamentally morally bankrupt. If this was some nice dude trying to fill a void in supply he wouldn't be taunting the original creators of the work at every turn.

[JinDesu]

MOZ, I have noticed that this forum is quick to condemn those who copy artisan caps. I do agree with you that if we were to try the kind method first, perhaps some of these copycats would change their stripes and become proper artisan keymakers - but that being said, the kind method won't work with everyone, and eventually people on the forums will become fed up with those that willfully copy for profit.

I feel that K3KC is the arrogant type who retaliates at the slightest hint of slight - I think he's more than capable to create custom caps of his own, but due to having felt disrespected, he retaliates against the forum by doing what we don't want him to do. I don't think there is redemption for him at all.

[MOZ]

MOZ, I have noticed that this forum is quick to condemn those who copy artisan caps. I do agree with you that if we were to try the kind method first, perhaps some of these copycats would change their stripes and become proper artisan keymakers - but that being said, the kind method won't work with everyone, and eventually people on the forums will become fed up with those that willfully copy for profit.

I feel that K3KC is the arrogant type who retaliates at the slightest hint of slight - I think he's more than capable to create custom caps of his own, but due to having felt disrespected, he retaliates against the forum by doing what we don't want him to do. I don't think there is redemption for him at all.

I agree with your observation of K3KC and how he reacts but please allow me to differ on the prospect of his redemption. I believe he has chance, we just haven't tried hard enough.

[JinDesu]

MOZ, I have noticed that this forum is quick to condemn those who copy artisan caps. I do agree with you that if we were to try the kind method first, perhaps some of these copycats would change their stripes and become proper artisan keymakers - but that being said, the kind method won't work with everyone, and eventually people on the forums will become fed up with those that willfully copy for profit.

I feel that K3KC is the arrogant type who retaliates at the slightest hint of slight - I think he's more than capable to create custom caps of his own, but due to having felt disrespected, he retaliates against the forum by doing what we don't want him to do. I don't think there is redemption for him at all.

I agree with your observation of K3KC and how he reacts but please allow me to differ on the prospect of his redemption. I believe he has chance, we just haven't tried hard enough.

Your belief that he is still capable of redemption shows that you are a far more patient and forgiving person than I am, and more so than most on this forum. I would not find fault in your belief and I definitely would not deter you nor mock you for it.

I haven't really participate much on this forums despite being on here for some time, but my takeaway from reading your posts is that I should be more active in helping to correct those who either support fake capmakers or those who are new capmakers presenting copied materials. I would say that to remain on-topic to this thread is that I support MOZ's view of doing whatever we can to guide key-copiers away from what they are doing before we condemn them.

[MOZ]

Thank you sir.

[Dyslexic]

MOZ, I have noticed that this forum is quick to condemn those who copy artisan caps. I do agree with you that if we were to try the kind method first, perhaps some of these copycats would change their stripes and become proper artisan keymakers - but that being said, the kind method won't work with everyone, and eventually people on the forums will become fed up with those that willfully copy for profit.

I feel that K3KC is the arrogant type who retaliates at the slightest hint of slight - I think he's more than capable to create custom caps of his own, but due to having felt disrespected, he retaliates against the forum by doing what we don't want him to do. I don't think there is redemption for him at all.

I agree with your observation of K3KC and how he reacts but please allow me to differ on the prospect of his redemption. I believe he has chance, we just haven't tried hard enough.

Your belief that he is still capable of redemption shows that you are a far more patient and forgiving person than I am, and more so than most on this forum. I would not find fault in your belief and I definitely would not deter you nor mock you for it.

I haven't really participate much on this forums despite being on here for some time, but my takeaway from reading your posts is that I should be more active in helping to correct those who either support fake capmakers or those who are new capmakers presenting copied materials. I would say that to remain on-topic to this thread is that I support MOZ's view of doing whatever we can to guide key-copiers away from what they are doing before we condemn them.

You're telling me that a few kind words could have averted what was effectively K3 knowingly throwing blood into the water to create a frenzy? If he was floating this stuff out there he could have done it a lot differently than dropping pics of counterfeits into Clack and Brobot threads throughout the site. He did this to take shots at the artisans knowing full well what the reaction from the majority of the community would be. BroCaps and ClackFactory didn't pick this fight. You apologists are seriously pathetic.

[JinDesu]

MOZ, I have noticed that this forum is quick to condemn those who copy artisan caps. I do agree with you that if we were to try the kind method first, perhaps some of these copycats would change their stripes and become proper artisan keymakers - but that being said, the kind method won't work with everyone, and eventually people on the forums will become fed up with those that willfully copy for profit.

I feel that K3KC is the arrogant type who retaliates at the slightest hint of slight - I think he's more than capable to create custom caps of his own, but due to having felt disrespected, he retaliates against the forum by doing what we don't want him to do. I don't think there is redemption for him at all.

I agree with your observation of K3KC and how he reacts but please allow me to differ on the prospect of his redemption. I believe he has chance, we just haven't tried hard enough.

Your belief that he is still capable of redemption shows that you are a far more patient and forgiving person than I am, and more so than most on this forum. I would not find fault in your belief and I definitely would not deter you nor mock you for it.

I haven't really participate much on this forums despite being on here for some time, but my takeaway from reading your posts is that I should be more active in helping to correct those who either support fake capmakers or those who are new capmakers presenting copied materials. I would say that to remain on-topic to this thread is that I support MOZ's view of doing whatever we can to guide key-copiers away from what they are doing before we condemn them.

You're telling me that a few kind words could have averted what was effectively K3 knowingly throwing blood into the water to create a frenzy? If he was floating this stuff out there he could have done it a lot differently than dropping pics of counterfeits into Clack and Brobot threads throughout the site. He did this to take shots at the artisans knowing full well what the reaction from the majority of the community would be. You apologists are seriously pathetic.

I think you did not read the previous post where I said K3KC was not redeemable? I commended MOZ on being a more patient person than I am. I stated that K3KC is an arrogant person that is lashing out at GH as he feels he was disrespected. I suspect the language barrier fueled the conflict between him and the people who were trying to tell him that copying was wrong. K3KC then proceeded to taunt Bro and Clacks because of the type of person he is. I am in no way condoning that.

Calling me an apologist and pathetic is rude when I clearly did not say anything that you have attributed to me.

[FrostyToast]

MOZ, I have noticed that this forum is quick to condemn those who copy artisan caps. I do agree with you that if we were to try the kind method first, perhaps some of these copycats would change their stripes and become proper artisan keymakers - but that being said, the kind method won't work with everyone, and eventually people on the forums will become fed up with those that willfully copy for profit.

I feel that K3KC is the arrogant type who retaliates at the slightest hint of slight - I think he's more than capable to create custom caps of his own, but due to having felt disrespected, he retaliates against the forum by doing what we don't want him to do. I don't think there is redemption for him at all.

I agree with your observation of K3KC and how he reacts but please allow me to differ on the prospect of his redemption. I believe he has chance, we just haven't tried hard enough.

Your belief that he is still capable of redemption shows that you are a far more patient and forgiving person than I am, and more so than most on this forum. I would not find fault in your belief and I definitely would not deter you nor mock you for it.

I haven't really participate much on this forums despite being on here for some time, but my takeaway from reading your posts is that I should be more active in helping to correct those who either support fake capmakers or those who are new capmakers presenting copied materials. I would say that to remain on-topic to this thread is that I support MOZ's view of doing whatever we can to guide key-copiers away from what they are doing before we condemn them.

You're telling me that a few kind words could have averted what was effectively K3 knowingly throwing blood into the water to create a frenzy? If he was floating this stuff out there he could have done it a lot differently than dropping pics of counterfeits into Clack and Brobot threads throughout the site. He did this to take shots at the artisans knowing full well what the reaction from the majority of the community would be. You apologists are seriously pathetic.

Everyone should have a chance at redemption. This doesn't mean that you can always right your wrongs or fix the damage that has been done, but people can instead move past it. Individuals should not be condemned for life just because they ****ed up horribly. Have you never been an irresponsible 12 year old child who wasn't shown the proper path? I know I was that kid, and through hurting others and ****ting on everyone and everything around me, I was able to realize that what I was doing had to stop.

I think everyone has been at that stage where did acted indecently and every so often even though we like to think that we have moved on from all that, we always make another **** up, and when that happens we just need to remember that people can change with time and understanding. However people will never change for the better if we try to shoot them down.

[Dyslexic]

I take exception with the fact that there is anything other than condemnation being expressed in this thread given the method by which K3 has decided to inform us of his work. The guy is taking potshots at people who make this community what it is, and it's not about him not understanding what he is doing. MOZ should stop trying to absolve him of responsibility for what he has done. His actions are unjustifiable and he is blatantly attacking two artisan crafters in this community while you nod and MOZ tells everyone to have a hug because really, we're all fundamentally good. Kind words do not work when the people you are dealing with have demonstrated a fundamental lack of character.

Frosty, your post is irrelevant. K3 isn't a 12 year old. He has done this twice now. If he didn't learn from the last experience he sure as **** has demonstrated he is unrepentant.

[rowdy]

demik's really got the most posts of anyone on the forum

?

demik has 12854.

SpAmRay has 17338!

Rowdy seems to have 17690, but we won't go in to that

[SpAmRaY]

demik's really got the most posts of anyone on the forum

?

demik has 12854.

SpAmRay has 17338!

Rowdy seems to have 17690, but we won't go in to that

Yeah but you gotta figure demik's got a few thousand deleted ones!

[demik]

all im getting from this thread is that hoffman should be president of geekhack

[BunnyLake]

all im getting from this thread is that hoffman should be president of geekhack

and dyslexic for vice president

[rowdy]

demik's really got the most posts of anyone on the forum

?

demik has 12854.

SpAmRay has 17338!

Rowdy seems to have 17690, but we won't go in to that

Yeah but you gotta figure demik's got a few thousand deleted ones!

I've had a few deleted (due to threads being removed), but thousands?

demik has my condolences on the loss of his posts.

[FrostyToast]

I take exception with the fact that there is anything other than condemnation being expressed in this thread given the method by which K3 has decided to inform us of his work. The guy is taking potshots at people who make this community what it is, and it's not about him not understanding what he is doing. MOZ should stop trying to absolve him of responsibility for what he has done. His actions are unjustifiable and he is blatantly attacking two artisan crafters in this community while you nod and MOZ tells everyone to have a hug because really, we're all fundamentally good. Kind words do not work when the people you are dealing with have demonstrated a fundamental lack of character.

Frosty, your post is irrelevant. K3 isn't a 12 year old. He has done this twice now. If he didn't learn from the last experience he sure as **** has demonstrated he is unrepentant.

Like I said

every so often even though we like to think that we have moved on from all that, we always make another **** up, and when that happens we just need to remember that people can change with time and understanding. However people will never change for the better if we try to shoot them down.

[strict]

I take exception with the fact that there is anything other than condemnation being expressed in this thread given the method by which K3 has decided to inform us of his work. The guy is taking potshots at people who make this community what it is, and it's not about him not understanding what he is doing. MOZ should stop trying to absolve him of responsibility for what he has done. His actions are unjustifiable and he is blatantly attacking two artisan crafters in this community while you nod and MOZ tells everyone to have a hug because really, we're all fundamentally good. Kind words do not work when the people you are dealing with have demonstrated a fundamental lack of character.

Frosty, your post is irrelevant. K3 isn't a 12 year old, your argument is moot.

+1

**** k3. We should not be be doing anything less than condemning his entire ecosystem and supporting BC and CF in pursuing legal action against him. He's a bottom feeder, not a misunderstood snowflake.

[CPTBadAss]

demik's really got the most posts of anyone on the forum

demik has 12854.

SpAmRay has 17338!

Rowdy seems to have 17690, but we won't go in to that

As I'm in third place with 13400, I propose to the GH userbase that they write me in as President. I will bribe everyone with ice cream. 2015: The year we beat Hoffman.

[MOZ]

hoffman should be president of geekhack

I concur.

[baldgye]

I don't think Dyslexic is really dyslexic, because I sure as **** can't get my point across anywhere near as well as he can

[tjcaustin]

demik's really got the most posts of anyone on the forum

demik has 12854.

SpAmRay has 17338!

Rowdy seems to have 17690, but we won't go in to that

As I'm in third place with 13400, I propose to the GH userbase that they write me in as President. I will bribe everyone with ice cream. 2015: The year we beat Hoffman.

CBA: Secretary of Dessert

[BunnyLake]

I don't think Dyslexic is really dyslexic, because I sure as **** can't get my point across anywhere near as well as he can

hes a really nice guy to boot

+ jane doe, so im a fan

[HipsterPunks]

looking past k3's arrogance and blatant disrespect towards other members of this community, there is also the chance that these fakes will find themselves inside the classifieds. Newer members could be taken advantage of thinking they are purchasing a cap with the craftsmanship of Bro/CC. If this member grabs a fake thinking it is genuine and notices how terrible the quality is, Bro/CC could lose a fan/buyer. I would be upset coming to a forum that was flooded with counterfeits, and I would definitely not stick around having been duped spending $50-$100 on a crap keycap thinking its the real deal.

[CPTBadAss]

CBA: Secretary of Dessert

I will run on the platform that Jeni's ice cream is the best ice cream in the land. None shall oppose me and I propose that 100% of the userbase will vote yes in the referendum write-in.

[JinDesu]

looking past k3's arrogance and blatant disrespect towards other members of this community, there is also the chance that these fakes will find themselves inside the classifieds. Newer members could be taken advantage of thinking they are purchasing a cap with the craftsmanship of Bro/CC. If this member grabs a fake thinking it is genuine and notices how terrible the quality is, Bro/CC could lose a fan/buyer. I would be upset coming to a forum that was flooded with counterfeits, and I would definitely not stick around having been duped spending $50-$100 on a crap keycap thinking its the real deal.

Yes - true, and but in the case of K3, he's specifically tagging the bottom of his caps as K3 instead of BB or CC. We have that to be thankful for, at the least (regardless of his reasoning for it).

[CPTBadAss]

Yes - true, and but in the case of K3, he's specifically tagging the bottom of his caps as K3 instead of BB or CC. We have that to be thankful for, at the least (regardless of his reasoning for it).

How can you talk about keycaps at election time? Help me beat the oppressive Hoffman. He likes Culver's and it's obvious that Jeni's and Ben and Jerry's are the one true ice cream.

[JinDesu]

Yes - true, and but in the case of K3, he's specifically tagging the bottom of his caps as K3 instead of BB or CC. We have that to be thankful for, at the least (regardless of his reasoning for it).

How can you talk about keycaps at election time? Help me beat the oppressive Hoffman. He likes Culver's and it's obvious that Jeni's and Ben and Jerry's are the one true ice cream.

Sorry CPT, Hoff's got my vote. Anyone who supports Phil Ken Sebben has me locked down.

[HipsterPunks]

Yes - true, and but in the case of K3, he's specifically tagging the bottom of his caps as K3 instead of BB or CC. We have that to be thankful for, at the least (regardless of his reasoning for it).

How can you talk about keycaps at election time? Help me beat the oppressive Hoffman. He likes Culver's and it's obvious that Jeni's and Ben and Jerry's are the one true ice cream.

sorry CPT while i am a huge supporter of your purple policy,

Hoffman's stance on being proTopre may give him the edge in the race

[strict]

Yes - true, and but in the case of K3, he's specifically tagging the bottom of his caps as K3 instead of BB or CC. We have that to be thankful for, at the least (regardless of his reasoning for it).

He didn't make any markings on the Bro Caps to differentiate them from the pictures we've seen so far. I got the impression that he wasn't going to mark his BB clones to spite BC specifically in an attempt to undermine the reputation his keys have earned.

There's nothing stopping him (other than being dog**** quality) from producing keys without his little k3 scratched into them and there's no guarantee he hasn't been distributing keys like that already.

[CPTBadAss]

Sorry CPT, Hoff's got my vote. Anyone who supports Phil Ken Sebben has me locked down.

sorry CPT while i am a huge supporter of your purple policy,

Hoffman's stance on being proTopre may give him the edge in the race

I offer you many bribes. Please PM me for more details.

[JinDesu]

Sorry CPT, Hoff's got my vote. Anyone who supports Phil Ken Sebben has me locked down.

sorry CPT while i am a huge supporter of your purple policy,

Hoffman's stance on being proTopre may give him the edge in the race

I offer you many bribes. Please PM me for more details.

You succubus.

Yes - true, and but in the case of K3, he's specifically tagging the bottom of his caps as K3 instead of BB or CC. We have that to be thankful for, at the least (regardless of his reasoning for it).

He didn't make any markings on the Bro Caps to differentiate them from the pictures we've seen so far. I got the impression that he wasn't going to mark his BB clones to spite BC specifically in an attempt to undermine the reputation his keys have earned.

There's nothing stopping him (other than being dog**** quality) from producing keys without his little k3 scratched into them and there's no guarantee he hasn't been distributing keys like that already.

If that's true then I retract my statement about being thankful.

[FrostyToast]

CPT, I take bribes in artisan caps. Send them my way and you have my vote!
(But don't send me any knock offs )

[CPTBadAss]

CPT, I take bribes in artisan caps. Send them my way and you have my vote!
(But don't send me any knock offs )

Deal. I will send you lots of ice cream.

[FrostyToast]

CPT, I take bribes in artisan caps. Send them my way and you have my vote!
(But don't send me any knock offs )

Deal. I will send you lots of ice cream.

Have the ice cream sent up to BC first. It will melt on its way here, but if the ice cream is exposed to the ambient temperatures of Canadia, then it should stay frozen.
While the ice cream is up there, we can have our Inuits transport it via dog sled to my igloo.

[Dyslexic]

I don't think Dyslexic is really dyslexic, because I sure as **** can't get my point across anywhere near as well as he can

hes a really nice guy to boot

+ jane doe, so im a fan

I appreciate the kind words -- in true hipster fashion, the name is ironic. I read and write, a lot.

Just wanted to shout out to CPTBadAss: I had the same thought as you when I saw the fake/nasa logo. BTBAM appropriated it and that's the way I like it! Now time to turn on Live at the Fidelitorium.

[CPTBadAss]

Deal. I will send you lots of ice cream.

Have the ice cream sent up to BC first. It will melt on its way here, but if the ice cream is exposed to the ambient temperatures of Canadia, then it should stay frozen.
While the ice cream is up there, we can have our Inuits transport it via dog sled to my igloo.

Wow, such luxury. You have delivery ice cream and you get to pet dogs after they bring it to you. I am truly jealous of the Great White North.

Just wanted to shout out to CPTBadAss: I had the same thought as you when I saw the fake/nasa logo. BTBAM appropriated it and that's the way I like it! Now time to turn on Live at the Fidelitorium.

I love love *love* Live at Fideltorium. That's the national anthem I'll be running under in my campaign against Hoff!

[Dyslexic]

Deal. I will send you lots of ice cream.

Have the ice cream sent up to BC first. It will melt on its way here, but if the ice cream is exposed to the ambient temperatures of Canadia, then it should stay frozen.
While the ice cream is up there, we can have our Inuits transport it via dog sled to my igloo.

Wow, such luxury. You have delivery ice cream and you get to pet dogs after they bring it to you. I am truly jealous of the Great White North.

Just wanted to shout out to CPTBadAss: I had the same thought as you when I saw the fake/nasa logo. BTBAM appropriated it and that's the way I like it! Now time to turn on Live at the Fidelitorium.

I love love *love* Live at Fideltorium. That's the national anthem I'll be running under in my campaign against Hoff!

I'm rewatching it for the 8th or 9th time now and I've only had it just over a week. This **** is masterful. I don't know if I enjoyed seeing them on the Parallax II tour or watching this more.

[CPTBadAss]

I'm rewatching it for the 8th or 9th time now and I've only had it just over a week. This **** is masterful. I don't know if I enjoyed seeing them on the Parallax II tour or watching this more.

I saw them from backstage at their Nashville show on the Parallax II tour....and I still feel the same way you do .

[baldgye]

I don't think Dyslexic is really dyslexic, because I sure as **** can't get my point across anywhere near as well as he can

hes a really nice guy to boot

+ jane doe, so im a fan

I appreciate the kind words -- in true hipster fashion, the name is ironic. I read and write, a lot.

Just wanted to shout out to CPTBadAss: I had the same thought as you when I saw the fake/nasa logo. BTBAM appropriated it and that's the way I like it! Now time to turn on Live at the Fidelitorium.

And there was me thinking we where brothers ;_; hahaha

[HoffmanMyster]

Apparently I'm running for President against CBA.  I have not prepared a speech for such an occasion.

Instead, I offer my finest cheeses to all that may be swayed by such an offer.

Also, beer for everyone!!



Also also, thanks to my early supporters.  Phil Ken Sebben and Topre are two very important things to me.   

* HoffmanMyster just remembered the title of this thread.

Only a little bit off topic.