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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #400 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 16:45:52 »
Any idea when zfrontier should be shipping orders?

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #401 on: Tue, 15 October 2019, 04:39:46 »
Any idea when zfrontier should be shipping orders?

I have no idea of their shipping time for this GB. It's usually several weeks after Kono ships orders.

Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #402 on: Tue, 15 October 2019, 05:28:56 »
Just wanted to chime in to share my experience with the kono store. After waiting this long, my Symbiosis 2.0 order has just been canceled because they cannot fulfill alphas and mods (out of all kits...). I'm super sad because this was one of the sets I was anticipating the most (the other one being the SA Laser). Another lesson in keeping one's expectations low. If there ever will be another chance to get this, I hope it won't be from kono... Has to do with trust...

Did you participate in GB, or did you order it after GB end as a pre-order items?

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #403 on: Tue, 15 October 2019, 05:36:07 »


Did you participate in GB, or did you order it after GB end as a pre-order items?

Why should that matter? :) A cancelled order is a cancelled order.

I'm in the same boat - my order for alphas, ortho and choices was fully cancelled.

For the record, I did join after the initial GB.

Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #404 on: Tue, 15 October 2019, 11:14:46 »
I'm trying to understand whether Kono cancels orders randomly or cutting off pre-orders only.

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« Reply #405 on: Tue, 15 October 2019, 11:19:38 »
I'm trying to understand whether Kono cancels orders randomly or cutting off pre-orders only.
If I understand correctly it's just the late pre-orders.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #406 on: Tue, 15 October 2019, 14:37:28 »
Keycaps arenít cheap, Iím not sure Iím going to trust Kono again after watching this.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #407 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 14:32:25 »
FWIW (via kono.store)

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We're finalizing some details and preparing a freight pickup right now.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #408 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:41:32 »
Keycaps arenít cheap, Iím not sure Iím going to trust Kono again after watching this.
Although I do understand mistakes happen occasionally, I will also hesitate ordering from Kono in the future. My $140 was blocked for 6 months with nothing to show for it.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #409 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 09:40:06 »
Any updates?

Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #410 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 01:36:07 »
Any updates?

I guess, you could find your answer asking your vendor. According to Kono, the caps have left SP factory and are en route to their warehouse. There's nothing to do for hhkbp2 on this stage of GB.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #411 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 04:37:55 »
I've found that Kono usually posts updates on https://kono.store/pages/weekly-update , not sure about their Discord server.

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Symbiosis has shipped from Signature Plastics is now on the way to our warehouse!

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #412 on: Fri, 01 November 2019, 09:54:23 »
Finally, hopefully we get it soon, pref in Nov. Loved the GMK drop, but SA colors look more vibrant....atleast in pics.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #413 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 10:44:56 »
Woot Woot...just got my kono shipment notification......come to papa!!!!!

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #414 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 11:36:45 »
Also got my Kono notification! It's been a long time coming
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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #415 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:41:18 »
Awesome. Got tracking. CADR and two ortho kits.

Edit: FedEx dropped off my kits Nov 7.
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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #416 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 16:34:16 »
Chiming in to say I got my shipping notification too  :) I only ordered alphas and spacekeys though

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« Reply #417 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 17:27:33 »
Finally! More than 1 year of waiting!

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #418 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 03:13:13 »
Anyone from zfrontier got their shipping info yet?

If anyone wanna sell their CADR kit, I'd love to buy it. LMK.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #419 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 07:25:25 »
Tracking confirmed. It's really happening!

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - In Production
« Reply #420 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 07:55:12 »
I'm trying to understand whether Kono cancels orders randomly or cutting off pre-orders only.

Randomly, my pre-order was shipped yesterday.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #421 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 10:10:26 »
I had a pre-order ship (placed may 2019), while my groupbuy order (from October 2018) is still listed as unfulfilled.

Have reached out to Kono for clarification on whatís going on. Hoping nothingís gone awry with my groupbuy order given those are the caps I truly need.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #422 on: Wed, 06 November 2019, 11:32:20 »
I just got shipping notification for my pre-order.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #423 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 11:18:18 »
I had a pre-order ship (placed may 2019), while my groupbuy order (from October 2018) is still listed as unfulfilled.

Have reached out to Kono for clarification on whatís going on. Hoping nothingís gone awry with my groupbuy order given those are the caps I truly need.

I had the same thing happen, the next day (yesterday) my GB portion of the order shipped. I'd just recommend giving it a day or two for things to settle out.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #424 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 11:26:07 »
Crossing my fingers mine actually gets to me. My shipment is currently in Washington, I'm in CO.  :eek:

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #425 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 11:30:43 »
I had the same thing happen, the next day (yesterday) my GB portion of the order shipped. I'd just recommend giving it a day or two for things to settle out.

Thanks for the gut check. Same happened here. All appears to be right as rain. :-)

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #426 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 15:18:55 »
Shipping for zfrontier will not happen for another 2 weeks. SP delayed their shipment and it is currently in transit to their warehouse atm.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #427 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 18:21:14 »
Sorry to anybody still waiting or got cancelled... I'm typing this on my set which came in today  ;D

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For the record, I'm just getting into this stuff, so this is my first custom keycap set and first attempt at this level of customization.  Not used to waiting for over a year to receive an order but I think it was worth it.

(More pics here)

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #428 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 21:56:14 »
Shipping for zfrontier will not happen for another 2 weeks. SP delayed their shipment and it is currently in transit to their warehouse atm.

Well, at least we've been waiting for 52++ weeks, I can bear a couple of more weeks :(

Sorry to anybody still waiting or got cancelled... I'm typing this on my set which came in today  ;D

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For the record, I'm just getting into this stuff, so this is my first custom keycap set and first attempt at this level of customization.  Not used to waiting for over a year to receive an order but I think it was worth it.

(More pics here)

They are gorgeous, man. Can't wait to see all the novelties in real life.

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« Reply #429 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 22:56:53 »
Sorry to anybody still waiting or got cancelled... I'm typing this on my set which came in today  ;D

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For the record, I'm just getting into this stuff, so this is my first custom keycap set and first attempt at this level of customization.  Not used to waiting for over a year to receive an order but I think it was worth it.

(More pics here)

I was super disappointed with the colors in your pictures at first, and then I realized I had window's blue light filter turned on...

Looks fantastic and can't wait for my set. They should be here tomorrow or Saturday.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #430 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 02:48:32 »
Iím actually disappointed with colors and full look of it (too vibrant, too colorful, too bright, labels too big, especially on numpad, majority of labels is white and the rest is black‑too much colors) but fortunately wasnít able to buy it so no issue here :p
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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #431 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 04:23:09 »
Iím actually disappointed with colors and full look of it (too vibrant, too colorful, too bright, labels too big, especially on numpad, majority of labels is white and the rest is black‑too much colors) but fortunately wasnít able to buy it so no issue here :p

Thank you for your valuable input.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #432 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 04:52:36 »
If you want me to be more constructive then renders posted here in the past look much better than reality. So if you read this and you are a newcomer like me, keep that in mind when you really want to buy something non‑existing yetóitís a gamble. Though maybe Iím just annoyed by those additional yellow accents 🤷

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #433 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 05:05:19 »
... labels too big ...
... majority of labels is white and the rest is black‑too much colors ...

That was trying to follow the way of enlarged legends after the footstep of 7bit's creation (like the last one with Rounds SA caps you've posted).
Most people like these larger and clearer legends better than the default Signature Plastic SA legends.

And on the white and black.
That was trying to resemble the Space-Cadet Keyboard.

Well, I agree the yellow accents can be a bit too much for some people, but it also adds extra liveliness and a modern touch to the design.
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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #434 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 11:30:15 »
Sorry to anybody still waiting or got cancelled... I'm typing this on my set which came in today  ;D

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For the record, I'm just getting into this stuff, so this is my first custom keycap set and first attempt at this level of customization.  Not used to waiting for over a year to receive an order but I think it was worth it.

(More pics here)

I think it looks amazing and I couldn't be happier. Mine's out for delivery today to my proxy. Can't wait.

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« Reply #435 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 13:25:38 »
If you want me to be more constructive then renders posted here in the past look much better than reality. So if you read this and you are a newcomer like me, keep that in mind when you really want to buy something non‑existing yetóitís a gamble. Though maybe Iím just annoyed by those additional yellow accents 🤷

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Is there anything more petty than complaining about the color of yellow accent keys even though the set comes with blue replacement accent keys?

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #436 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 15:13:13 »
If you want me to be more constructive then renders posted here in the past look much better than reality. So if you read this and you are a newcomer like me, keep that in mind when you really want to buy something non‑existing yetóitís a gamble. Though maybe Iím just annoyed by those additional yellow accents

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Is there anything more petty than complaining about the color of yellow accent keys even though the set comes with blue replacement accent keys?
I know that we should not feed the trolls, but here those grapes must be very sour.


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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #437 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 17:19:50 »
Oof


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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #438 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 19:08:36 »
Let me know if anyone wants to let go of their set(s). I wish I could have been part of this GB.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #439 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 21:30:03 »
If you want me to be more constructive then renders posted here in the past look much better than reality. So if you read this and you are a newcomer like me, keep that in mind when you really want to buy something non‑existing yetóitís a gamble. Though maybe Iím just annoyed by those additional yellow accents 🤷

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Not sure why you're ****ting on it if you don't even have a set to compare to renders or whatever else. I own original 7bit space cadet caps and these are very close in terms of color. The blue is basically spot on and the grey is slightly warmer, less blue-ish. Looking at them in anything except direct light side-by-side, you'd never notice a difference. The biggest difference is the legends of course, but there was nothing that could be done because 7bit basically fell off the face of the earth. Speaking of which I have no idea why you're saying the legends are too big because if anything, they're still too small compared to 7bit's.

Either way the set is great and I think anyone who is unable to get original 7bit caps should be super stoked with these.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Shipping
« Reply #440 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 00:28:40 »
Cheers to everyone who received his/her order. If you haven't received shipping notification from your vendor, please wait with patient - it should happen soon.

I think we have enough discussion about its colors, legends, relation/difference with 7bit's product, etc. before. Not gonna repeat them now, when everything was settled and vendors are shipping the products. The GB reaches what we sailed out to go and I'm happy for that.

It's a long time since the GB opened, even longer if you came along as the IC started. Thank you for your support all along the road. Hope you will enjoy what you get. I'm looking forward to more and more nice pictures from you guys using this keyset on different builds. Cheers.
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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #441 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 00:51:13 »
Let me know if anyone wants to let go of their set(s).

I would also consider trading for / purchasing R1 choices, blue or grey (pref. blue), either numerals or the pointy hands.  I could use them for my media keys.

Here are my single unit spares (although I would probably not trade the blue arrow set):
R1: Blue "ESC" (x2), "TAB", "SHIFT", "BACK SPACE", "=", Yellow "ESC", Grey "\"
R2: Blue "-",
R3: Blue "+", "UP", "DOWN", "LEFT", "RIGHT", Yellow "UP", Grey "0", "00", "5", "F", "J"
R4: Blue "UP"

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Production Finished
« Reply #442 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 05:17:54 »
Oof
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Thank you. That looks much better and not as toyish as that previous take.

Not sure why you're ****ting on
I wanted to check whether I want to buy this set in aftermarket.
Now, after seeing real pics, I know that I donít; thereís no mystery here.

If you have both sets then could you post pictures of both of them side by side?

PS also I donít want to look happy and give a strong signal to sellers
that they can push over buyers. If you arenít angry after paying
upfront and waiting a year for something not special
then you dig your own Apple‑like grave.
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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Shipping
« Reply #443 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 12:31:23 »
Here's another picture in better lighting. I edited it in lightroom to look as close as possible to what I actually see in person.

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It's still a little overexposed, but this is the best quick edit I could do with a picture form my crappy cell phone camera.
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« Reply #444 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 12:34:45 »
Here's another picture in better lighting. I edited it in lightroom to look as close as possible to what I actually see in person.

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Looks amazing. Now Iím sad I didnít get the blue modifiers as they are nicer than the renders even conveyed. Canít wait to get my alphas and grey choices

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« Reply #445 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 12:37:55 »
Here's another picture in better lighting. I edited it in lightroom to look as close as possible to what I actually see in person.

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Looks amazing. Now Iím sad I didnít get the blue modifiers as they are nicer than the renders even conveyed. Canít wait to get my alphas and grey choices

It's stunning in person. It's very hard to accurately capture with my current equipment though.

Edit: Annnd with a little more work.. 229768-0
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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Shipping
« Reply #446 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:48:35 »
Here's a comparison between 7bit's Round 6 Space Cadet caps (left) vs Symbiosis R2 (right) for whoever cares.

Ignore the horrible lighting (this is not color accurate), the point is to show how close they are. Biggest difference, like I mentioned, is the size of the legends.


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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Shipping
« Reply #447 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:51:44 »
Here's a comparison between 7bit's Round 6 Space Cadet caps (left) vs Symbiosis R2 (right) for whoever cares.

Ignore the horrible lighting (this is not color accurate), the point is to show how close they are. Biggest difference, like I mentioned, is the size of the legends.

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Nice comparison. I actually prefer the smaller legends myself so this is a win for me.

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Shipping
« Reply #448 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:30:54 »
A little closer view of some of the Round 6 Space Cadet (I no longer own a Round 4 set) vs Symbiosis 2.0.



Round 6 on the left, Symbiosis 2.0 on the right.







The differences are quite minimal, legends are slightly larger and more centered on Symbiosis. Sorry for the messy 7bit caps, they have been sitting for a while.
« Last Edit: Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:52:27 by TheEerieCold »

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Re: [GB] SA Symbiosis R2 - Shipping
« Reply #449 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 15:52:27 »
Here's a comparison between 7bit's Round 6 Space Cadet caps (left) vs Symbiosis R2 (right) for whoever cares.

Ignore the horrible lighting (this is not color accurate), the point is to show how close they are. Biggest difference, like I mentioned, is the size of the legends.

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When we look closer, we can see why the SA Rounds (4/5/6) caps of 7bit were so sought after.

For those who want to improve future Groupbuys of keycap sets and their legends, let's click "more" to see the details 7bit has worked on for the 'Rounds' set.
For those who want Geekhack, a supposedly IC & GB website now, that has been more open to critics pushing boundaries to keep on improving our future keyboard life, instead to become more like r/MK that downvote all constructive comments when that is even just slightly more direct and pointing to the fact, then it is okay to skip the "more"

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1. The bigger size legends are to resemble the actual keycap set on the genuine Space Cadet keyboard

Just look at the D and the F keys of Rounds. See how legends on the alpha keys are more "blown-up", and the Rounds capture this design language (other than the usual font parameters of SP) much better.
For a few times, Signature Plastics made the legends too small to 7bit taste, and then 7bit reject those as seconds and sold them in a reduced price.
And now I see that I could have gotten those instead, but I didn't expect 7bit to disappear for such a long time.

2. Also, the legends of 1, 2, and 3 I just discovered and made me see this round as yet even more different from the Rounds.
Look at the numeral keys 1, 2, and 3 -- they are totally different font designs from the Rounds, which resembles the originals on the Space Cadet keyboard which I also prefer.

zslane followed for years the thread-of-hundreds pages of 7bit's Rounds Groupbuy on Deskthority and then he himself worked also as PayPal money collector for the Groupbuy. When he eventually ran his Groupbuys with (Mass)Drop, his SA Dasher & Dancer also used similar legends. Look at the beautiful 1, 2, and 3 on the numeric row:

The above was just a render. And in reality:
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The default Signature Plastic fonts can be seen here on this SA 1976 set, with their SP 1, 2, and 3, and their "F l", "F l O", "F l l", "F l 2":


During those time in 2012-2014, I don't know how much time and effort 7bit spent on this endeavor of Rounds - when no one has done that before.



I lived in a county with really bad road surface.
"They already built this and that roads for you, shut up and enjoy it!"
But the roads can be built even better, like in other counties.

Our OP has already done a lot, as shown, in his previous posts.
I am not sure I can say "the sloppy side" is Signature Plastic, but they might just have too many orders going.
One thing for sure in the future GBs is that a few more e-mail exchanges with the manufacturers to ensure the details (e.g. those I am pointing out here) will be worth it.
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