[IC] GMK Paperwork

[tskiller]

There is a big difference between offering suggestions and mud slinging. Many posts consist of very directed insults with nothing constructive to speak of. Like the post directly above you, for example. Don't understand why everyone needs to start spreading hate and negativity rather than  just posting "I'd be interested if there was support for X"

[mnpq.raven]

There is a big difference between offering suggestions and mud slinging. Many posts consist of very directed insults with nothing constructive to speak of. Like the post directly above you, for example. Don't understand why everyone needs to start spreading hate and negativity rather than  just posting "I'd be interested if there was support for X"

1. This is not the first time that evan posts an IC and this is also not the first time we give suggestions to the thread. Most of the time all the suggestions are shot down with the classic but like livingspeedbump has stated above. People do try to give constructive comments but it already fell on deaf ears after so long and so many times threads like this occured
2. Don't say i'm throwing insults at him because i'm not and ironically what he has done is quite insulting to other designers. Look at TheVan's Instagram and say those renders and mature replies are perfectly fine lol

[dohmain]

I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.

If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!

 

The community as a whole loses when you stop caring about the community and care only about the products.
Community is not defined by the products that get produced through these buys but by all the people that come together to make these products happen. The designers, the makers, the runners, the supporters and the fans are the ones that make this community what it is.
Custom mechs are such a niche hobby that you have to work together with mutual respect for each other's contribution to the community if you want to succeed.

[Puddsy]

I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.

If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!

 

The community as a whole loses when you stop caring about the community and care only about the products.
Community is not defined by the products that get produced through these buys but by all the people that come together to make these products happen. The designers, the makers, the runners, the supporters and the fans are the ones that make this community what it is.
Custom mechs are such a niche hobby that you have to work together with mutual respect for each other's contribution to the community if you want to succeed.

well said

[digid3ar]

since the hub kickstarter, this keyset was like a dream for me,  and even cover gherkins XD im in

[funderburker]

and even cover gherkins XD im in

Man, that's a pretty meme board to begin with. Gherkin compatibility isn't exactly what this keyset needs to hit MOQ, quite the opposite.

The way I see it - evangs is having a writer's block and he's trying so hard to make at least some of the ideas he has. Minivan is out since summer of 2016. It may be a good-ish 40% board but stop with the renders please. Like every 8 hours a post of a Minivan RENDER, geez louise!

HuB profile could've been a reality but how TVK handled all the stuff with colorways, it wasn't nice. And now with this "unique" keyset for a single layout (OK, Planck too). Out of all keycap manufacturers, going with GMK for a keyset with that many colours and (in)compatibility. I get that people like GMK, people like the one colorway YOU designed and that people know you for the Minivan boards but making an IC without any engagement with the community since the OP? I've read through the thread and evangs replied once? It's been an intense discussion and even though people have some wariness about this becoming a reality, there's some constructive feedback in here.

Evangs - how you see the community? Are you IN the community or just the TVK circle?

The colorway isn't bad and in my eyes is a mix between a classic old-school colorway and something playful but hot damn - you specifically went for mind-boggling 13 custom colors and a unique mod symbols?!

Doing a niche keyset for a niche board with that many variables is surely not hitting MOQ. But the ideas some people mentioned about you doing or like a "compatibility" add-on for at least 60% boards? Ok, maybe don't go with an "International" add-on but bare minimum to gather some interest from rest of the community that could help you hit MOQ. And think of the pricing benefits of more people and just slightly more options?

Sorry if came off too harsh but I can't really stand this anymore. The keyset renders, the completely made-up product renders and going against the grain with almost all of your products in terms of any kind of compatibility and easiness of manufacturing? This is just ridiculous.

[Remsky]

When is van gonna reply to this? Pretty sure the point of an IC is to communicate with the community for feedback for potential products............

[Jae-3soteric]

When is van gonna reply to this? Pretty sure the point of an IC is to communicate with the community for feedback for potential products............

Couldn’t agree more.

Clearly there is interest in the set given the way the conversation has being going, but there has also been plenty of constructive criticism that could help any further IC or GB stages of this set.

I’m keen to see how Van is going to take on board, and where this set goes from here.

[pr0ximity]

This thread makes me want a minivan.

[funderburker]

This thread makes me want a minivan.

#vanlife

[appaboy]

is there only gonna be bar homing keys instead of scoops and an option of bars? pretty lame

[livingspeedbump]

So Evan is from Nebraska. Me too (living in CA now, though). I'd like to support him and his products.
But I'm SO confused about the backhand comments about minivans I see posted on rmk, and the pretty nasty comments on gh from creators whose products I respect.

Any clarification?

I'd just like to not get burned on a keyset purchase. I almost jumped on GMK Necro, but luckily saw the GH thread and saved myself $200. That's not an insignificant amount.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695276#msg2695276

Yikes. 

[MikeTheTiger]

lol it's evangs

anyway in b4 miketiger

Mikethetiger waiting room

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Hey guys!!

Sorry for my absence. I just lurk here mostly now. Hope everyone is doing ok. I'm flattered my name is in your mouth. Good luck to everyone on their current projects, constructive criticism, resentment, etc. Here's some color ideas for you guys.



GMK Crayola comming soon!!

[tex_live_utility]

When is van gonna reply to this? Pretty sure the point of an IC is to communicate with the community for feedback for potential products............

Couldn’t agree more.

Clearly there is interest in the set given the way the conversation has being going, but there has also been plenty of constructive criticism that could help any further IC or GB stages of this set.

I’m keen to see how Van is going to take on board, and where this set goes from here.

He did reply once -- to throw shade on me trying to get his perspective heard in the thread.

[Abec13]

Do I like the colors? Sorta. It's really up to the price. I've been thinking about getting a minivan just because I love the look of the N6 set on it and I guess my DSA Milkshake fits it, so that's cool.

I don't think I'd pay 100 for this though. If I could get it for 80, definitely.

[evangs]

Update time! While some may think I don’t listen, I actually do. I’ve been reviewing the feedback and I have added 9 keys that I think make the most sense.



this adds support for JD40/45, Daisy, Core, and more. I have updated the OP with some layout maps of these other boards as well as the revised base set.

[Jaxxstatic]

Perfect. I'm in! I'll finally have coverage for a Pearl and Catalyst.

[evangs]

Final IC Update!

We are proud to announce that we are partnering with Jack of OLKB on GMK Paperwork and will be hosting the group buy on both https://thevankeyboards.com/ and https://olkb.com/

The group buy will launch on February 15th 2019 and run until March 18th 2019.

Thank you to everyone who provided feedback.

[MikeTheTiger]

Final IC Update!

We are proud to announce that we are partnering with Jack of OLKB on GMK Paperwork and will be hosting the group buy on both https://thevankeyboards.com/ and https://olkb.com/

The group buy will launch on February 15th 2019 and run until March 18th 2019.

Thank you to everyone who provided feedback.

Yassss!!

[Hedgey]

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[InvidiousIgnoramus]

$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???

Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.

[chuckdee]

$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???

Where do you see that price?

[Hedgey]

$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???

Where do you see that price?

Jack already mentioned price on r/OLKB

[otanishock]

$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???

Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.

Custom colors raise MOQ, but not price, iirc.

[tex_live_utility]

Update time! While some may think I don’t listen, I actually do. I’ve been reviewing the feedback and I have added 9 keys that I think make the most sense.

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this adds support for JD40/45, Daisy, Core, and more. I have updated the OP with some layout maps of these other boards as well as the revised base set.

Thank you. It might be educational for the community to know the price increase due to adding these keys.

[Zambumon]

$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???

Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.

Custom colors raise MOQ, but not price, iirc.

Using thirtheen different colors increases the price since GMK has to change plastics for each color.

[livingspeedbump]

Seems like price will be $125. Around $1.80 per cap. Wow.

[evangs]

[oldcat]

any chance for a full base?

[Puddsy]

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colors are decent but i still won't buy a minivan

[Corgiattackkk]

I don't like to say 'no' when it comes to interest checks.

[Hedgey]

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[tex_live_utility]

That GMK render doesn't look like such a great color match. Looking at them side by side on my monitor, the GMK render colors all look a bit off compared to the SP color chips. I know GMK is historically good at color matching (as long as they have a good quality reference like an SP color chip), but an "off" official render doesn't inspire confidence. Now that it has nice 40% compatibility I am definitely interested.

I also wonder if you could make this a bit cheaper by using GMK colors at least for one of the grays, like GR1 and 2B or something.

[Puddsy]

That GMK render doesn't look like such a great color match. Looking at them side by side on my monitor, the GMK render colors all look a bit off compared to the SP color chips. I know GMK is historically good at color matching (as long as they have a good quality reference like an SP color chip), but an "off" official render doesn't inspire confidence. Now that it has nice 40% compatibility I am definitely interested.

I also wonder if you could make this a bit cheaper by using GMK colors at least for one of the grays, like GR1 and 2B or something.

gmk renders are never a good color match

[MikeTheTiger]

I'm kind of upset that you don't offer compatability for my daily driver. Truly disappointed in this set. SMH.

[rooski15]

Neat set, I would totally consider it for Planck.

[fireworm]

any chance for a full base?

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!  Hahahahahahahahahah!!!!

Knowing Evan, never....

Also, I hope the colors aren’t as muted as the second render above because they’re supposed to be highlighter colors, right???

To be fair, they are selling DSA Lightcycle as a full kit: https://thevankeyboards.com/collections/catalog/products/light-cycle?variant=13606240485459

[evangs]

Group Buy is live! https://www.keebtalk.com/t/gb-gmk-paperwork/4993

[monkeyplusplus]

Purchased! This will be great for my Kumo or Planck. Noticed a price reduction as well, very nice.

[trabbit]

I'm kind of upset that you don't offer compatability for my daily driver. Truly disappointed in this set. SMH.

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This keeb is too fancy to use.

[OnceSavedGaming]

Love the colorway

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[vicissitude]

Lovely keyset.
Great for 40s user.

[evangs]

quick update for anyone over here. GMK invoice has been paid. color match is in progress. There are still sets available at https://thevankeyboards.com

thanks and have a great day!

[MikeTheTiger]

quick update for anyone over here. GMK invoice has been paid. color match is in progress. There are still sets available at https://thevankeyboards.com

thanks and have a great day!

Great news!! Are you still considering adding 637 more keys so everyone can stop drinking the haterade?

[evangs]

color samples came in today 

[lewisflude]

Looking fantastic! That pink is insane.

[MdotMaxson]

Ok so part of me thinks I have to have this for my Preonic. But apparently the minivan was driven by a soccer mom or someone who loves to ruin other peoples fun.

Can anyone recommend a top row of numbers from a different set that wouldn’t look plain terrible to mix with this set. Or is anyone planning on copying this colorway and just releasing it in a full size layout? Kind of annoying to see a good keyset get ruined over petty middle school girl behavior.

[Hedgey]

Kind of annoying to see a good keyset get ruined over petty middle school girl behavior.

It's not "middle school girl behavior" to cover a board only in the 40% range.  That's just called exclusivity.

It's the same exact thing I'm doing with DSA Vegas Nights.  Don't say it's ruined just because it can't cover YOUR board.  If this was the other way around (Just like with Zamb, T0mbry, and Obliz) everyone would just agree they are happy there is no minivan support.  Most people who are driving the drama, are the ones that make layouts for fullsize boards.  I think you've got it backwards, homie.

[MdotMaxson]

There’s a difference between not covering skmething because it’s going to not sell and cost money overall and then not covering something just to prove a point because your favorite is too niche to be norm. Then again I don’t know anything so sure ok consider me enlightened.

[Hedgey]

There’s a difference between not covering skmething because it’s going to not sell and cost money overall and then not covering something just to prove a point because your favorite is too niche to be norm. Then again I don’t know anything so sure ok consider me enlightened.

Bless your heart!

The irony of someone with an Preonic complaining about "too niche" is pretty rich.