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Title: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 04 January 2013, 16:21:40
Maybe someone could simply design a 5x4 keypad with the same footprint (front-to-back) as the GH60, as a small add-on to the 60% keyboard. You could program those keys to be anything you want, from a 10-key, to F-keys, to cursor arrows, etc. And you could place it to the right or left of your GH60, per your personal preference. Just thinking out loud here.
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: regack on Sat, 05 January 2013, 13:11:28
Maybe someone could simply design a 5x4 keypad with the same footprint (front-to-back) as the GH60, as a small add-on to the 60% keyboard. You could program those keys to be anything you want, from a 10-key, to F-keys, to cursor arrows, etc. And you could place it to the right or left of your GH60, per your personal preference. Just thinking out loud here.

So, like this:
[attach=1]

I was working on this for a while, then stopped, I wanted it to compliment my poker, but never got around to any kind of implementation.  The other problem is that I wanted to design a case that sort of matched, and that involved trying to learn Blender or something, and I wasn't very good at that. 
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 05 January 2013, 13:31:18
So, like this:

I was working on this for a while, then stopped, I wanted it to compliment my poker, but never got around to any kind of implementation.  The other problem is that I wanted to design a case that sort of matched, and that involved trying to learn Blender or something, and I wasn't very good at that. 

Yes, exactly that. You might change the design just a bit to add options for a 2x "0" key, and 2 each of 1x keys where "Enter" and "+" are. Might have to reorient a few switches 90 degrees to make that happen. But YES! This is just what we need!
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: regack on Sat, 05 January 2013, 13:31:20
Yum!

I think a 7x4 keypad would be cool. I like some extra keys.

Well, I do have this that was my first project, it could be anything, really, but I didn't use kicad for the design, so I'd have to re-do it.  Also, it used a teensy, instead of integrated atmega...

[attach=1]



Edit: wow, post number 8 for me, I'm on a roll  ;D
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 05 January 2013, 13:34:18
Edit: wow, post number 8 for me, I'm on a roll  ;D

With you, it's more about quality than quantity. Keep them coming!
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 06 January 2013, 12:12:28
Maybe someone could simply design a 5x4 keypad with the same footprint (front-to-back) as the GH60, as a small add-on to the 60% keyboard. You could program those keys to be anything you want, from a 10-key, to F-keys, to cursor arrows, etc. And you could place it to the right or left of your GH60, per your personal preference. Just thinking out loud here.

So, like this:
(Attachment Link)

I was working on this for a while, then stopped, I wanted it to compliment my poker, but never got around to any kind of implementation.  The other problem is that I wanted to design a case that sort of matched, and that involved trying to learn Blender or something, and I wasn't very good at that. 

You design the PCB, I'm sure someone else would design the case for it
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: damorgue on Sun, 06 January 2013, 12:28:26
I am expecting some cheaper quotes back on some cases atm.I might throw in a prototype numpad case too if you decide the size of the PCB quickly.

Edit: I would be all for 4x6, 5x6 or 6x6.
5x6 has the advantage of being able to be turned and be used with a 5 row keyboard as well as a 6 row keyboard and still match the depth.
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 06 January 2013, 13:19:10
I am expecting some cheaper quotes back on some cases atm.I might throw in a prototype numpad case too if you decide the size of the PCB quickly.

Edit: I would be all for 4x6, 5x6 or 6x6.
5x6 has the advantage of being able to be turned and be used with a 5 row keyboard as well as a 6 row keyboard and still match the depth.

And a pair of 5x6 makes 10x6  which is the size of a 7" tablet.  With a hinge and a ribbon cable you've got a folding mini-keyboard.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 06 January 2013, 15:01:15
I was just hoping for 4x5, so it would be the correct size as a normal 10 key without any additional keys on the top or side. There is already too many commercial keypad in those other size which is not a good fit aesthetically next to 60% at all. I think it would be better to match the size 100% and have same case style with same angle, so rotating is no option in such a case.
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: damorgue on Sun, 06 January 2013, 15:05:53
We would need two cases to allow for it to match both rotations is all. Or a couple of different places where the feet could be placed to tilt it in either axis.

I guess the 4x5 will win in a vote though, seen as 5 row models are probably more common than 6 row models around here. Either way, keypads for all!
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 06 January 2013, 15:26:50
I was just hoping for 4x5, so it would be the correct size as a normal 10 key without any additional keys on the top or side. There is already too many commercial keypad in those other size which is not a good fit aesthetically next to 60% at all. I think it would be better to match the size 100% and have same case style with same angle, so rotating is no option in such a case.

Some sort of clip-on would be awesome!

Unfortunately there is no room on the GH60 controller for more keys.  :(

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 06 January 2013, 16:18:58
A way to do it, say you make a case for both the keypad and 60% pcb to fit in side by side, well instead of solder usb connector on the 60% pcb, solder wire only there and have a usb hub in the 10key part. It make it more complex, but it is possible.
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: regack on Sun, 06 January 2013, 16:48:33
Sorry, I'm not trying to hijack this thread or anything going off on a tangent...

So, first, this seems to get all 1x1 or standard keypad config with the 1x2 0/Ins, Enter and + keys... but there's no room for the controller bits...
[attach=1]

Again, when I started this a few months ago, I also played around with this idea.
[attach=2]

It's the atmega on a daughter board and uses one of these .50mm pitch Molex slimstack connectors (http://www.molex.com/molex/products/group?key=slimstack&channel=PRODUCTS).  I had no idea how I was ever going to solder that on, so I gave it up...

there's nothing on there to interface with the chip though, so I also made one of these...
[attach=3]

Again, no idea how I'd get it soldered, I doubt I could deal with SMD soldering myself, so I shelved it.   It was the original Dox project that brought me to this point, trying to figure out how to use the Teensy and fit it on the board.  Then someone suggested putting the components on the board itself.  This seemed like a good idea, but I wanted to make it more modular.  I wanted to build my own poker that I could program, and I wanted my little keypad to match my poker, and it needed a controller too... and I wanted one controller that I could fit wherever I needed it to... so I followed the Teensy 2.0 schematic and found a slim connector and put that together.... then promptly did nothing with it, because it was cost prohibitive to just get one or two made for testing... I thought about posting it up as an idea, but I wasn't sure how to even approach it.

tl;dr - keypad, needs daughterboard controller with slim connector, never built any of these things, but I'll gladly share all the stuff if anyone wants to run with it.



Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: damorgue on Sun, 06 January 2013, 16:54:46
I guess you really need the space bar area to fit a chip directly on the pcb. 7bit tried to fit one inbetween the normal keys on the Hyper. A PCB would have to be placed somewhere too, and underneath would increase the height etc.

Edit: Does placing two 1x2 keys, one above the other, help in any way? Does a controller fit inbetween those keys then?
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 06 January 2013, 17:09:32
So, first, this seems to get all 1x1 or standard keypad config with the 1x2 0/Ins, Enter and + keys... but there's no room for the controller bits...

I'm loving this design. Is there enough room between 4 normal keys, say, the 2,3,5, and 6? What if you rotate the ATmega 45 degrees? You could also flip the switches 1:1 and 2:1 by 180 degrees and orient them upside down, to give more room there.
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: damorgue on Sun, 06 January 2013, 17:16:30
So, first, this seems to get all 1x1 or standard keypad config with the 1x2 0/Ins, Enter and + keys... but there's no room for the controller bits...

I'm loving this design. Is there enough room between 4 normal keys, say, the 2,3,5, and 6? What if you rotate the ATmega 45 degrees? You could also flip the switches 1:1 and 2:1 by 180 degrees and orient them upside down, to give more room there.

I believe not. As I stated, it has been tried already:
http://deskthority.net/resources/image/5873

I will happily be proved wrong however. For instance, the two 1x2 keys could allow for some extra space, eg between the + and enter key on the numpad.
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 06 January 2013, 17:24:46
Make controller daughterboard, with ribbon cable coming from top of switch pcb like many G80 design, fold it under and use some double side tape. It don't need to make it taller. I think you could fit something that way inside a Poker case height, like between the ribs in the back, of the case there is some depth there that could allow such a thing I think.
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: regack on Sun, 06 January 2013, 18:50:17
I think it would fit, as this does not have in-switch LED diode pads to deal with. Also, you could orient 2 of the switches upside down to give more clearance between the pads, like is done on the Phantom at number row 4 and 5. I could be mistaken, though. I wish I knew how to use KiCAD.


I think it might work, but this is the previous revision and doesn't have the other switches added in.  I just did this really quick, so it's not laid out well, but I tried to put the atmega where it would be out of the way of the 0/plus/enter.  I'll play with it some more.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: damorgue on Sun, 06 January 2013, 18:58:05
Looks great. Hopefully all the traces fit too. I'll have to admit, sometimes it is good to be wrong.
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 06 January 2013, 19:22:22
That looks awesome, regack! Once you get the design finalized, if someone wants to have some prototype boards made, I'm in for one!
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sun, 06 January 2013, 23:58:13
Sorry, I'm not trying to hijack this thread or anything going off on a tangent...
SNIP
I'd be in for at least 3 PCBs!
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 07 January 2013, 09:19:09
This topic has been split:

10-Key Pad for GH60++ (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.0) << -- You Are Here!  Talk about the side pad here.

GH60++ Possibilities for 65, 70 & 75% full-custom keyboard designs (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38847.0) << -- Go back there to discuss 65% etc.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: 10-Key Pad for GH60++
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 07 January 2013, 09:48:09
Thanks, samwisekoi for splitting this into its own thread for us! GHpad FTW! :D

Also, thanks to regack for the design work, and to everyone who has participated for all the constructive input. Looking like another successful GH collaborative project in the making.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW!
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 07 January 2013, 10:00:24
Thanks, samwisekoi for splitting this into its own thread for us! GHpad FTW! :D

You are very welcome.

Also, I have renamed the thread using your clever name.  GHpad FTW!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 07 January 2013, 10:09:36
I am very excited about this project!
Title: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phetto on Mon, 07 January 2013, 10:12:23
Well this is extremely interesting.

The main thing about this is that I want a GH60 case and a GHpad case that actually match perfectly.

I beg you guys, if so make a case for it together with the GH60 that match.

Linear switches on GH60 and clicky switches on the GHpad.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 07 January 2013, 10:12:45
Will it be 6 row like the Gh++, breakway or more like the "original" GH60 with 5 rows?
Poker, Pure and GH60  vs  Race, Choc Mini, LZ Mini, KS Mini and GH60++

Vote?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 07 January 2013, 10:35:40
samwisekoi, thanks for splitting this out into it's own thread, I didn't mean to derail the other discussion, but it did start getting a lot more posts than I originally thought it would.

Will it be 6 row like the Gh++, breakway or more like the "original" GH60 with 5 rows?
Poker, Pure and GH60  vs  Race, Choc Mini, LZ Mini, KS Mini and GH60++

Vote?

Adding the 6th row to the board is easy enough, personally I wanted it to complment my Poker, Pure and future GH60, but the 6row version would probably fit better with your GH60++ 75% ideal layout. 

I think the cases would be the most difficult part of 5 vs. 6 row.

Now that I think about it, adding the 6th row might not be as easy, if it has a "breakaway" part to also work as 4x5... the USB connector is at the top, so it has to be the bottom row that is removed... which means having to support the positions of the 1x2s in several positions on the right side... I'll play with it, should be interesting to see if it can be done.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 07 January 2013, 10:46:23
Sure, we can put it to a vote. :)

I vote for 5 rows, since that will match the footprint of the GH60 which will go into production soon.

Everyone else?

Edit: regack, if you are able to design a PCB with a breakaway bottom row, that would work for both. Don't need traces across the score to the bottom row, just put solder pads for ribbon cable on either side of where the PCB will be scored to break away.

Edit #2: My original intent with asking for this programmable keypad to be designed, and why I posted it in the GH60++ thread, was to satisfy those who wanted another column of keys on the GH60. Pair this GHpad with a GH60, and you can have your extra keys for cursor arrows, f-keys, 10-key pad, or whatever you like. Fully customizable through programming, with several flexible layout options. More keys=more options, while maintaining case compatibility with Poker/Pure for the main board. :D
Title: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 07 January 2013, 11:05:41
Definitely interested in a pad for the GH60. Any chance it'll be able to be led compatible?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 07 January 2013, 11:07:20
I vote 5x6, as it can be turned to match both 5 and 6 row. Add a couple of places where you can place the feet underneath and it will be able to tilt in both axis depending on how it is turned and thus match both 5 and 6 row keyboards. It will however be sort of wide when placed horizontally.
Title: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 07 January 2013, 11:13:55
I vote 5x6, as it can be turned to match both 5 and 6 row. Add a couple of places where you can place the feet underneath and it will be able to tilt in both axis depending on how it is turned and thus match both 5 and 6 row keyboards. It will however be sort of wide when placed horizontally.

Might be easier just to design one of each? Wouldn't really want such a wide numbpad on such a small board.
I would rather one of each for both custom boards.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 07 January 2013, 11:14:18
Definitely interested in a pad for the GH60. Any chance it'll be able to be led compatible?

Yes, we do need LED on the NumLock switch.

If you mean full LED backlighting, I think that might mess with the ability to have the controller mounted to the PCB. Maybe Ducky is working on something for you? :P
Title: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 07 January 2013, 11:18:59
Definitely interested in a pad for the GH60. Any chance it'll be able to be led compatible?

Yes, we do need LED on the NumLock switch.

If you mean full LED backlighting, I think that might mess with the ability to have the controller mounted to the PCB. Maybe Ducky is working on something for you? :P

I was just thinking of making something similar to a kpad. Aluminum case with tasteful LEDs. Although, if there aren't any on the GH60....guess that would look pretty goofy.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: balanar on Mon, 07 January 2013, 11:34:29
I second the idea about the aluminum case matching the GH 60. it's about time one of GH's creations have a unique and high quality case to accompany the quality of the pcb etc. In regardless of the decision about the LEDs.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 07 January 2013, 12:02:48
Feel free to add input and ideas to cases: http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/case-discussions-t4530.html
I am trying to create a discussion as there are probably dozens of neat ideas circulating the forums.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 07 January 2013, 12:03:47
Perhaps treble would be willing to do aluminum cases matching the poker ones he did/will do...
If not, sending him one or two pads for free could give him a reason to do it, just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 07 January 2013, 12:26:56
I just want simple 4x5 keypad with plastic case like Poker, so it match. I have no interest in paying hundreds for metal cases.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: epicsilas on Mon, 07 January 2013, 12:40:52
I would definitely be in for one or two of these!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 07 January 2013, 13:01:59
You can count on my support designing this thing.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 07 January 2013, 13:17:52
komar, that is great to hear! I know that regack said he would turn over what he has done so far, if someone else wanted to run with it. Maybe you could help get this design finalized quickly and get some prototypes made? I would definitely purchase an extra proto board or 2 and have it sent to treble if he can work on a case. Same offer goes for you too, damorgue, if you're okay with a 5x4 PCB for this run. I'm sure a 5x6 would be next.

The idea I had for a simple plastic case was this, and maybe it's not a good one. Perhaps one could saw the left and right edges off a Poker case and weld them together using acetone. Then we have like 4 mounting standoff to attach this PCB.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Alessandro on Mon, 07 January 2013, 13:24:27
I just want simple 4x5 keypad with plastic case like Poker, so it match. I have no interest in paying hundreds for metal cases.

This, I could really use a programmable pad for data entry and I'd like it to be portable like my Pokers.

Either way, I'll be following this very closely and I look forward to developments!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 07 January 2013, 13:32:24
I just want simple 4x5 keypad with plastic case like Poker, so it match. I have no interest in paying hundreds for metal cases.

I could make design you a plastic case similar to the poker, but it would probably cost more to mold it than the metal cases in these low volumes unfortunately.

I believe your only three chances of having a cheap plastic case are:
- To make one out of acrylic sheets (Which won't match the Poker very well unless you make a similar sheet case for it as I believe there are no sheet acrylic cases readily available for the Poker)
-To find a keypad which has a case similar to the Poker and which will fit this pcb+plate (I have never seen such a thing)
-jdcarpe's suggestion of modifying a poker case


I wonder how many buyers there will be for this though.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 07 January 2013, 14:03:06
You mentioned acrylic cases. Is it something like the KMAC has?
It shouldn't be too expensive to water-cut the sheets and have something like this made. Maybe for GH60 too, and then they'll match:)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 07 January 2013, 14:15:58
Like for me, even if having a plastic Poker/Pure style case made at shapeways or something cost for argument sake $60, it would still be cheaper for me than buying a case for the keypad AND my 60% to match more than likely. I don't know how many other people may want something similar but if enough there could still be cheaper going in volume if that is the case.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: reverkiller on Mon, 07 January 2013, 16:47:09
I'm not sure I want a GH60 (who am I kidding, I do!), but I really want one of these. I think I'm TKL and under from now on, and having a numpad that is programmable (and macorable) would be awesome :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: asura on Mon, 07 January 2013, 17:25:32
A second smaller programmable pad sounds brilliant I use a tablet centrally with my keyboard to the left and a very pedestrian number pad to the right, having something like this would be awesome - in the long run I think I may end up with a couple of Access-Is's but being matrix rather than staggered I don't know how comfortable it'll be in the long run... so this +GH60 = perfect.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 07 January 2013, 17:28:32
Do I understand correctly, that the PCB must have the same height as the GH60, since we want same height of cases for the two devices?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 07 January 2013, 17:31:23
Do I understand correctly, that the PCB must have the same height as the GH60, since we want same height of cases for the two devices?

I believe so, yes. I do however want a 5x6, but it seems the majority wants 4x5.

Edit: The PCB can be slightly larger as the case could be made to allow for a slightly larger PCB and still have the same outer dimensions as the cases for the GH60. There will however probably not be enough space to fit anything like a controller on the outskirts of the PCB if that was on your mind.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 07 January 2013, 17:36:45
A second smaller programmable pad sounds brilliant I use a tablet centrally with my keyboard to the left and a very pedestrian number pad to the right, having something like this would be awesome - in the long run I think I may end up with a couple of Access-Is's but being matrix rather than staggered I don't know how comfortable it'll be in the long run... so this +GH60 = perfect.

And if they both had vertical sides, some internal magnets would connect them just fine.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 07 January 2013, 17:46:42
A second smaller programmable pad sounds brilliant I use a tablet centrally with my keyboard to the left and a very pedestrian number pad to the right, having something like this would be awesome - in the long run I think I may end up with a couple of Access-Is's but being matrix rather than staggered I don't know how comfortable it'll be in the long run... so this +GH60 = perfect.

And if they both had vertical sides, some internal magnets would connect them just fine.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


ooh, yea, they could line up and just snap together using those little neodymium magnets magnets! that's brilliant!


edit: misquote
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 07 January 2013, 17:49:32
...Also I'd be happy to post up my kicad stuff, but if Komar is going to run with it, it might be easier/faster to just duplicate and adapt his GH60 design.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 09 January 2013, 09:14:55
Just a thought here...

Could a GHpad (anywhere from 1x5 to 6x8) use a Teensy and a modified Soarer mod with a USB input port to ADD additional scan codes to the key stream?

This would enable the GHpad to be placed in a daisy-chain with essentially any keyboard.

Keyboard/USB out --> USB in + GHpad switches -> Teensy -> USB out.

There should be plenty of pins on a Teensy 2.0 to control such a thing.

And, as an added benefit, the upstream keyboard would now be programmable!

Thoughts, anyone?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Poker.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 09 January 2013, 09:28:31
USB host is a serious pain even when you are targeting just keyboards.  Of those I know who have worked on it, there's none with a complete implementation.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Wed, 09 January 2013, 11:13:25
Didn't imp over at DT include something like that in his controller?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: bpiphany on Wed, 09 January 2013, 12:58:56
I think it might work, but this is the previous revision and doesn't have the other switches added in.  I just did this really quick, so it's not laid out well, but I tried to put the atmega where it would be out of the way of the 0/plus/enter.  I'll play with it some more.

(Attachment Link)

If you want to make your life easier you can use the ATmega32u2, fewer pins, fewer supporting components, smaller footprint.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Wed, 09 January 2013, 15:28:20
Or even 16u2, and QFN. We'll have to consider that, since this could fit between switches...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: bpiphany on Wed, 09 January 2013, 16:58:19
With QFN everything is small =P

The 16u2 is a tad cheaper, but not any smaller.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 11 January 2013, 07:11:36
Just read the entire thread and this looks great. i would love something to match my Pure or GH60 when the time comes so 4x5 is my vote. If I can help out with prototyping let me know.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: noxwood on Sun, 13 January 2013, 19:21:27
If you do a GHPad, GH60, and have a case that holds both, why not have a straight row of keys just for F-X? :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 24 January 2013, 16:00:51
I bought atmega32u2 today to test if my firmware works on it, but I can't compile the code. I'm recompiling avr-gcc, because I think I've broken something;)
I'll be getting down to designing a PCB-integrated controller for this project soon.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 24 January 2013, 19:09:29
I bought atmega32u2 today to test if my firmware works on it, but I can't compile the code. I'm recompiling avr-gcc, because I think I've broken something;)
I'll be getting down to designing a PCB-integrated controller for this project soon.

Thanks Komar, appreciate your time and efforts!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 24 January 2013, 19:18:43
This is great news! Not that you broke something in avr-gcc, but that you'll be designing it soon. I can't wait to see it. :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 24 January 2013, 19:27:38
Anyone tried contacting this Tuomas person, they made a nice pad just as I would like... here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35894.0). Maybe they will share?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 24 January 2013, 20:05:19
I bought atmega32u2 today to test if my firmware works on it, but I can't compile the code. I'm recompiling avr-gcc, because I think I've broken something;)
I'll be getting down to designing a PCB-integrated controller for this project soon.

Awesome! :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 28 January 2013, 14:36:36
At first I had a major problem getting the firmware to run, but then I read in the manual that this chip has only 176 bytes of DPRAM, which is used as USB buffer (as opposed to atmega32u4's 832 bytes).
At first I thought it was a problem, but after dropping double buffering and decreasing the maximum packet size for the protocol's endpoints it should be doable. It's nearly working now, so I think we can use this chip in GHPad.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 January 2013, 16:08:14
Did you use the 32u2 in order to save space (i.e. does it have a smaller footprint?), to save on production costs, or simply as proof of concept? It seems you limited yourself by using it instead of the 32u4.

Anyway, I'm very excited to see the design you come up with. Once you get the PCB footprint locked in (front-to-back should be the same as GH60), you should post the measurements so case designers can start making some cool designs to match the upcoming GH60 cases.

:D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 28 January 2013, 16:12:24
It appears the only limit is the maximum packet size, which shouldn't be a problem.
I used it to save space. 32u2 is 5x5mm in QFN and 7x7mm in TQFP, smaller than 32u4 and also 30% cheaper.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 28 January 2013, 16:14:25
Like    jdcarpe said, just make it the same "height" as teh GH60 so that they both match. It would be cooler to have more buttons, but I'd much rather have a matching set
Title: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 28 January 2013, 17:26:38
Like jdcarpe said, just make it the same "height" as teh GH60 so that they both match. It would be cooler to have more buttons, but I'd much rather have a matching set

X3
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Tue, 29 January 2013, 17:02:27
The first prototype on atmega32u2 is working!:D
[attach=1]


Sorry for the mess. It's too late to take this picture well;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 29 January 2013, 17:12:00
The first prototype on atmega32u2 is working!:D
(Attachment Link)


Sorry for the mess. It's too late to take this picture well;)

^Hell yeah....that's awesome!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 January 2013, 17:28:27
I love it already! :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Caaaarrrt on Tue, 29 January 2013, 17:29:07
Great job, it's looking good!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Tue, 29 January 2013, 17:47:42
Thanks!
I'm still having some issues with the GH60 firmware on both keyboards, but once I have this sorted out, I'll get to kicad and work on GHPad design.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 29 January 2013, 19:22:15
This is really awesome-sauce. How did you prototype the PCB so fast? It looks like standard key spacing, and I've already started looking into a matching case for it a few days ago, ever since regack mentioned to make a compatible case to match the GH60 case I was designing.

You're pretty much almost to the point where the GH60 prototype PCB is, so maybe when the GB starts, we can combine both the GBs.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 29 January 2013, 19:23:13
This is really awesome-sauce. How did you prototype the PCB so fast? It looks like standard key spacing, and I've already started looking into a matching case for it a few days ago, ever since regack mentioned to make a compatible case to match the GH60 case I was designing.

You're pretty much almost to the point where the GH60 prototype PCB is, so maybe when the GB starts, we can combine both the GBs.

I'd space them out a bit
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 29 January 2013, 19:25:22
Space what out? GH60 and GHpad are going to be two separate cases.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 29 January 2013, 19:37:47
Space what out? GH60 and GHpad are going to be two separate cases.

The GB, GH60 should end then start GH10
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 29 January 2013, 19:44:43
My pants are tight
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 29 January 2013, 19:47:18
Why? I say if both are ready just do it all at once as one order at the fab. Maybe it would help price on both?
Also, I think I mentioned the idea before, but how about a case that can fit both 60 and 10, with a usb hub inside to connect them and have 'one' keyboard cable to the pc? End up with something like the Plum96 but without the function row. I would like that a lot too.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 29 January 2013, 19:54:13
Why? I say if both are ready just do it all at once as one order at the fab. Maybe it would help price on both?
Also, I think I mentioned the idea before, but how about a case that can fit both 60 and 10, with a usb hub inside to connect them and have 'one' keyboard cable to the pc? End up with something like the Plum96 but without the function row. I would like that a lot too.

I proposed using a Teensy to mux the scancode streams.  rknize (IIRC) said that hasn't worked in his experience.  Maybe just a dumb hub would work.

I assume there is a tiny board-level USB hub we could include in a GH60 case.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 29 January 2013, 21:37:53
I did this based on standard key spacings, so it should match up with the PCB. I just need USB location and standoff locations if there are any. I suppose it doesn't need standoffs, but then you're forced to use plate-mounted PCB to mount it into the case. Here are some pics of just the bottom case, and one with the bottom piece + plate + brass weight (but without top cover).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/th_GHpadbottomcase.png) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/GHpadbottomcase.png)  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/th_casewithplate.png) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/casewithplate.png)


This should be able to be placed side-by-side with the other GH60 case and everything should line up. I'll post a pic of what it looks like with both cases together.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 January 2013, 22:31:03
May I make a suggestion, WFD? I would love it if you could place the standoffs in the exact positions they are in the stock Poker case. That is, four standoffs, designed to be in the same positions as the two leftmost standoffs and two rightmost standoffs in the Poker case. Theoretically, one could then take a saw to a plastic Poker case, cut out the middle portion, and epoxy the left and right bits together to form a plastic case for the GHpad. That also gives you the location of the USB connector.

Edit: I'm also hoping this design principle will serve as a guide to komar007 when designing the PCB for the GHpad.

Edit 2: Where are my manners? That case is freaking AWESOME! Thanks, WFD!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Loligagger on Tue, 29 January 2013, 22:37:41
Why? I say if both are ready just do it all at once as one order at the fab. Maybe it would help price on both?
Also, I think I mentioned the idea before, but how about a case that can fit both 60 and 10, with a usb hub inside to connect them and have 'one' keyboard cable to the pc? End up with something like the Plum96 but without the function row. I would like that a lot too.

Sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe have an option to place the numpad on the left or the right?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 29 January 2013, 23:26:50
May I make a suggestion, WFD? I would love it if you could place the standoffs in the exact positions they are in the stock Poker case. That is, four standoffs, designed to be in the same positions as the two leftmost standoffs and two rightmost standoffs in the Poker case. Theoretically, one could then take a saw to a plastic Poker case, cut out the middle portion, and epoxy the left and right bits together to form a plastic case for the GHpad. That also gives you the location of the USB connector.

Edit: I'm also hoping this design principle will serve as a guide to komar007 when designing the PCB for the GHpad.

Edit 2: Where are my manners? That case is freaking AWESOME! Thanks, WFD!

This wouldn't work. The standoffs can only be at certain theoretical positions because you can't have a standoff hole in any position on the PCB. There will be switches in the way. They keypad has switches that are all aligned, while every row in the stock poker is offset by 0.25x key size. I haven't tried it, but I'm assuming it won't work based on this. Even if it were to somehow align properly, the standoffs won't be symmetrical. You'll have two standoffs on top, two in the middle, and none on the bottom.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:17:46
How did you prototype the PCB so fast?
The controller is on a universal tqfp board, and the keys, well...

[attach=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 30 January 2013, 03:40:26
How did you prototype the PCB so fast?
The controller is on a universal tqfp board, and the keys, well...

(Attachment Link)

Ah I see... so not the final revision PCB that the switches are mounted on. When you get to routing traces, refer to the standoff hole location in the pic below if possible.


Here is my proposed standoff locations, shown by the cut holes. They are exactly between the switches, and symmetric to the PCB/case. jdcarpe, I also drew in your proposed standoff location in blue to show why it wouldn't work. Those are the exact location of the poker standoff locations if you chop out the center of the case. You can see the hole location of the two top standoffs are where switches would be mounted.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/th_standofflocation.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/?action=view&current=standofflocation.png)
 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:26:07
Will the PCB allow a "all 1x1" configuration?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: komar007 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:26:43
Yes, but we'll also need a plate like this.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:33:40
Nice! Because I plan to build a "gaming pad" as well with one, 90 degree rotated (H5/V4),
tho that will probably need rerouting for the USB connector and a custom case...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:40:28
On the other hand, this could be a seperate GH project later this year...
The GH-Gamepad aka. "No need for this damn overpriced Razer Orbweaver!" :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: epicsilas on Wed, 30 January 2013, 09:14:21
Nice! Because I plan to build a "gaming pad" as well with one, 90 degree rotated (H5/V4),
tho that will probably need rerouting for the USB connector and a custom case...
I want to do this as well. I'd rather have a small pad with switches for gaming and a full keyboard for typing than just just a full keyboard with switches for gaming.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:19:07
Yeah, that is what I meant with the combo case, just a regular old usb2 hub inside to connect both the 60 and 10, then have the hub cable be the only cable exit the case. Simple and cheap, no need to try and do anything fancy and complex. So they would still be their own device, but in a neat package together, more for appearance sake and portability.
Depend on how the case was design, I don't see any reason you couldn't mount the 10 on either side.
Title: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: aggiejy on Wed, 30 January 2013, 20:32:11
So awesome!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: simkev on Mon, 04 February 2013, 05:52:16
What do you guys think about this?
6x5 layout with four breakoffable keys to make it TKL and 60% capable.
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39845.0;attach=12909;image)(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39845.0;attach=12911;image)
This layout IS NOT breakoffable and it is with a teensy.
A breakoffable board would have to have the chip on the 60% board.
It would also have two usb ports, one on the top part and one on the bottom.
Like this, excuse my paint skills.
(http://i.imgur.com/pN9ldoS.jpg)
The break-off-line would go somewhere where the purple line is.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: GoatMaster on Thu, 14 February 2013, 15:03:24
i am very interested !
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Muffet on Mon, 25 February 2013, 08:36:09
This is exactly the sort of thing I have been looking for, hope to see this idea keep on rolling!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: calavera on Sun, 03 March 2013, 13:39:39
I probably missed it but what will the case be like and will this be plate mounted?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: simkev on Sun, 03 March 2013, 16:34:05
I probably missed it but what will the case be like and will this be plate mounted?
I am not sure but probably it will be only a pcb that can be either plate or pcb mounted. WFD will probably design a case for it. The break-offable pcb is still to be designed though. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Viz on Wed, 13 March 2013, 13:22:14
I'm definitely interested in getting one of these, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Wed, 13 March 2013, 13:35:31
What do you guys think about this?
Hi simkev.
I liked it very much! Awesome work.

I'm wondering here, could you make it modular?
I mean, no microcontroller or it's components in the PCB?
I'm trying to convince the GH60 guys to do the same into some future next version.
I think it would help to prototype and extend our work ...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: justin one on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:57:35
I'm really liking all these cool projects happening here. For sure interested.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 21 March 2013, 21:22:20
I probably missed it but what will the case be like and will this be plate mounted?

WhiteFireDragon designed one to complment his GH60 case design... it's the little one on the right.

Here's the thread for that : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/GH60withGHpad_4.png)

I imagine, like the GH60, you can choose to use a plate or not.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 29 March 2013, 19:40:01
I also have a GHpad out for quote:
(http://i.imgur.com/ar0AVw7.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mkaito on Tue, 09 April 2013, 17:24:29
Definitely keeping this on my radar. Looks awfully promising!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: F u r u y á on Thu, 11 April 2013, 13:29:56
Show Image
I did this based on standard key spacings, so it should match up with the PCB. I just need USB location and standoff locations if there are any. I suppose it doesn't need standoffs, but then you're forced to use plate-mounted PCB to mount it into the case. Here are some pics of just the bottom case, and one with the bottom piece + plate + brass weight (but without top cover).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/th_GHpadbottomcase.png) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/GHpadbottomcase.png)
  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/th_casewithplate.png) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/casewithplate.png)


This should be able to be placed side-by-side with the other GH60 case and everything should line up. I'll post a pic of what it looks like with both cases together.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0)

Gonna follow closely this! It's exactly what I wanted, a sturdy and heavy num pad.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 11 April 2013, 16:20:46
Hi guys.
Who is working into the PCB?
I'm asking because I think I can help on it ...
Can I?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 11 April 2013, 16:31:28
regack has a completed PCB here (https://github.com/regack/GHPad). I had a prototype made, but I haven't had a chance to order the SMD components to build it yet.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 11 April 2013, 16:32:15
regack has a completed PCB here (https://github.com/regack/GHPad). I had a prototype made, but I haven't had a chance to order the SMD components to build it yet.
D: jd!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 11 April 2013, 17:08:23
regack has a completed PCB here (https://github.com/regack/GHPad). I had a prototype made, but I haven't had a chance to order the SMD components to build it yet.
Awesome!

And the ALPS version of it?
 :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 11 April 2013, 17:24:46
regack has a completed PCB here (https://github.com/regack/GHPad). I had a prototype made, but I haven't had a chance to order the SMD components to build it yet.
Awesome!

And the ALPS version of it?
 :D

Is what you will be working on? ;D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 11 April 2013, 17:26:53
Will there be a GB for this? I wasn't too interested in the GH60 since I hate layouts smaller than TKL, but I'm really friggin' interested in this.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 11 April 2013, 17:38:20
Is what you will be working on? ;D
Yup, if you think that's a good idea ...
Now I do have the required Kicad skills to make it.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 22 April 2013, 15:12:13
Note:  This isn't the GHpad that komar007 is working on.

So my test board is alive... but it's not the same one that JDCarpe has... I decided to go a different route - everything is through-hole.

"What? through-hole? That's so passé!",  I hear you cry.   Well, you know, I tried some 0805 SMD, and I didn't have fun with it, so I figured I would try to fit a Teensy... but you can't fit a Teensy on a 4x5 keypad... so I made it a daughterboard.

So I got it working with Hasu's firmware yesterday after realizing that I had put all the diodes on backwards  :-[  so please excuse the messy repairs...

[attach=1]

So here's the board, numlock lit, waiting for those Retro DSA caps to show up...  I ordered a case for it from Shapeways, we'll see how it turns out... never had anything 3d printed before, and I'm new to 3D design. 

[attach=2][attach=3]

You could get a little more space if you took off the button and the usb connector, but there seems to be enough space in the poker case I was testing with anyway, so that's what I based my 3d thingy on.

[attach=4]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 24 April 2013, 04:49:43
Holy smokes that's awesome! Nice job Regack.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 30 April 2013, 18:58:10
The shapeways print arrived today, and I stuck the keypad in there and threw on some random caps I had. 

The material itself is very odd, it's not smooth at all, it's kind of rough and raw... needs some work.  That said, it's also white if you scrape at it with a knife or other tool (which I had to do because the USB was somewhat misaligned). 

[attach=2]

I got impatient and ordered it before finalizing any sort of PCB mounting, so it just kind of floats in there.

[attach=1]

I'll call it a learning experience and use it for a while...

[attach=3]

It certainly seems to be good enough for now :D

[attach=4]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 30 April 2013, 19:16:05
So awesome Regack!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 30 April 2013, 19:17:58
Agreed! Can't wait.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 30 April 2013, 19:19:35
If this ever gets released are you still planning on having an optinal extra row of keys above the existing 5 rows?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 30 April 2013, 22:54:41
Do want!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 01 May 2013, 09:36:39
Nice job regack, a little bit jealous.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 01 May 2013, 11:20:08
I put it all up on github if anyone wants to play with it. 

I would not recommend using the sketchup design as it is, unless you're prepared to do a fair amount of work with it once you get it.   

The standoffs were just kind of guesswork and the USB needs to be extended another 2-3 mm to the left side of the case, and perhaps be lowered a bit.  I'm not sure, I haven't measured it all yet.  Another standoff needs to be added to the front, probably.  The front lower edge could use some more cut-in so it compares better to a standard poker/pure case.   My skill level with 3d stuff is lacking  :-[.   

I should probably tweak it a bit now that I have both the case and PCB in hand, but it will probably take me a while to get to that.

https://github.com/regack/Keypad (https://github.com/regack/Keypad)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 May 2013, 11:40:14
Great work, regack! I'm loving the progress you are making with this.

Also, once you have your case design worked out, I bet you could extend that to a full Poker clone case, and everyone will sing your praises!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 01 May 2013, 12:18:14
i'd be in for one of these
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 01 May 2013, 12:58:41
If I have the patience to redo the case, it will work great, I think.  I wanted to use it for my weird "59 percent" keyboard (that JDCarpe made a plate design for, thank you). 

Only thing with this daughterboard setup is that it really won't will fit the other case designs, like the ones that The_Beast and WFD have.  If Komar007 is still working on his keypad design with the ATMega32U2 I'm sure that will be the preferred method.

I'm just not up for SMD work for other than just a couple of pieces (and preferably 1206+ :D ) , so I made a version using through-hole everything.  Always good to have alternatives, right?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 02 May 2013, 07:37:33
I'm just not up for SMD work for other than just a couple of pieces (and preferably 1206+ :D ) , so I made a version using through-hole everything.  Always good to have alternatives, right?
What are you using to solder your SMD parts mate?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 02 May 2013, 12:36:23
I'm just not up for SMD work for other than just a couple of pieces (and preferably 1206+ :D ) , so I made a version using through-hole everything.  Always good to have alternatives, right?
What are you using to solder your SMD parts mate?

Hakko 888.  But I'm sure the real problem is the confluence of patience, limits of vision, hand steadiness and the cost of a better type of magnifier.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 02 May 2013, 13:23:20
Hakko 888.  But I'm sure the real problem is the confluence of patience, limits of vision, hand steadiness and the cost of a better type of magnifier.
Or you trying to solder it with iron instead of hot air.
IMHO it's really easy to solder basic SMD parts with flux and hot air (I'm not talking about SMD ICs, those are hard).
8-)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 02 May 2013, 17:09:31
I know it's been mentioned that there'll be some free pins on the gh60s controller, but how exactly would that get soldered to hook up the 10key (for WFDs GH70 case, that is)?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ComradeSniper on Thu, 16 May 2013, 22:39:06
I really want this to happen, definitely in if this ever becomes a reality.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 16 May 2013, 22:49:09
I really want this to happen, definitely in if this ever becomes a reality.
Me also. I really, really want a progammable keypad with 6 rows.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 16 May 2013, 22:59:03
That's an impressive result from shapeways.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Winther on Sat, 15 June 2013, 21:50:19
Sorry if this has been asked before, but will this be usable with other keyboards aswell?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: domoaligato on Sat, 15 June 2013, 22:28:29
Sorry if this has been asked before, but will this be usable with other keyboards aswell?

this is a 2 part answer...
1. yes it is usable with any other keyboard.
2. If you own more then one custom keyboard device it is best practice to unplug the ones you are not intending to program while updating firmware.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Qipz on Sun, 23 June 2013, 17:08:49
Is there a GB planned for this one? if there is I'm def. interested
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: fydo on Sun, 23 June 2013, 20:37:51
Is there a GB planned for this one? if there is I'm def. interested

I agree! Especially if WhiteFireDragon is still planning on making those sexy matching cases for GH60 + GH10. :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: madderoftime on Thu, 27 June 2013, 18:40:51
Can hardly contain the excitement here! Nice work guys!   ;D
I am for sure interested in this if it goes GB.  :cool:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 27 June 2013, 20:44:31
what is the PCB size?

if it is smaller than 10x10cm it will be cool, take a look at the prices I've got:

Seedstudio 10x 10cm x 10cm       US$ 24,90 + US$ 9,20 shipping = $34,10 =  $3,41 per board
PCBWing     5x 10cm x 10cm color US$ 28,00 + US$ 5,00 shipping = $33,00 =  $6,60 per board
OSH Park    3x 10cm x 10cm       US$ 85,00                              = $24,00 per board
(shipping to brazil - not sure how much it would cost to ship to US but I'm mostly sure it will be cheaper)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 28 June 2013, 09:07:49
what is the PCB size?

if it is smaller than 10x10cm it will be cool, take a look at the prices I've got:

Seedstudio 10x 10cm x 10cm       US$ 24,90 + US$ 9,20 shipping = $34,10 =  $3,41 per board
PCBWing     5x 10cm x 10cm color US$ 28,00 + US$ 5,00 shipping = $33,00 =  $6,60 per board
OSH Park    3x 10cm x 10cm       US$ 85,00                              = $24,00 per board
(shipping to brazil - not sure how much it would cost to ship to US but I'm mostly sure it will be cheaper)

It should be about 7.6cm x 9.5cm. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: neoezekiel on Tue, 16 July 2013, 11:29:38
I'm totally in for a GB on this, my Adesso 22s are getting on my nerves, who the hell designs 2x key layouts without stabs >.<;
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 16 July 2013, 12:00:23
I'm totally in for a GB on this, my Adesso 22s are getting on my nerves, who the hell designs 2x key layouts without stabs >.<;
Sometimes wyse does!
I got 12 old wyse keyboards and there was only one stab in the whole board (as you may guess it was the space key).
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 17 July 2013, 02:16:44
I can't wait for this!!!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 17 July 2013, 02:20:30
This is still going to have the same width as the Gh60 and support a split "0" and "+" key right?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 17 July 2013, 09:55:06
This is still going to have the same width as the Gh60 and support a split "0" and "+" key right?

Correct. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 17 July 2013, 13:13:39
I have no knowledge of any electronics/programming so this question may be very stupid but I'll ask anyway.

Would it be possible to make this programmable using hotkeys? Like the G80-3700 mode 4 :
    Hold down the Numlock key on the G80-3700
    Press the key you wish to program
    Release the Numlock key
    The Numlock LED should now be flashing
    Type the key-combination or sequence you wish to program on the main keyboard
    Press the Numlock key again
    The blinking should stop, the key is now programmed with your string or sequence
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oTurtlez on Wed, 17 July 2013, 13:15:37
I have no knowledge of any electronics/programming so this question may be very stupid but I'll ask anyway.

Would it be possible to make this programmable using hotkeys? Like the G80-3700 mode 4 :
    Hold down the Numlock key on the G80-3700
    Press the key you wish to program
    Release the Numlock key
    The Numlock LED should now be flashing
    Type the key-combination or sequence you wish to program on the main keyboard
    Press the Numlock key again
    The blinking should stop, the key is now programmed with your string or sequence

Theoretically it could be done, because it has already been done once. The problem is, that require you have your main board plugged into the PS/2 in on the back of it, which means you would have to have an input of some sort on the pad, further increasing the difficulty of designing firmware, and planning the PCB layout.

EDIT: Another thing is, the way they did the 3700, it has a PCB with the switches on it, and a controller PCB that sits below it containing the PS/2 IN as well as OUT, the controller, and other important hardware.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ComradeSniper on Sun, 18 August 2013, 02:54:07
Any further progress on this? I hate to sound impatient and I know these things take time, but this is a seriously awesome project and I want one a lot.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 21 August 2013, 04:22:05
Any further progress on this? I hate to sound impatient and I know these things take time, but this is a seriously awesome project and I want one a lot.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 26 August 2013, 00:01:33
Any further progress on this? I hate to sound impatient and I know these things take time, but this is a seriously awesome project and I want one a lot.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: fydo on Mon, 02 September 2013, 11:29:44
Any further progress on this? I hate to sound impatient and I know these things take time, but this is a seriously awesome project and I want one a lot.

;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 16 September 2013, 17:39:14
Am i supposed to be working on something here?   :-[
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 16 September 2013, 18:37:33
Finally a hint of update :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 16 September 2013, 18:41:50
Am i supposed to be working on something here?   :-[


Finally a hint of update :P

Yes please!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:11:09
Ok, uhh...

Here's a stab at that 4x6 keypad I threw together.
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48583.0;attach=35675;image)


I'm not sure if komar007 is still working on the atmega32u2 based version, but I'm going to sum up what I think people were asking for...

- 4x6 w/option to remove 1 row to make a 4x5 pad
- Num lock / Fn LED (probably one of each or 3 LEDs or something nifty)
- SMT on back of board
- some mounting holes for standoffs for non-plate versions
- option for maximum 24 keys all 1unit...

- option for this layout:
... Something like this would work well.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)



Did I miss anything?

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:17:58
Ok, uhh...

Here's a stab at that 4x6 keypad I threw together.
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48583.0;attach=35675;image)


I'm not sure if komar007 is still working on the atmega32u2 based version, but I'm going to sum up what I think people were asking for...

- 4x6 w/option to remove 1 row to make a 4x5 pad
- Num lock / Fn LED (probably one of each or 3 LEDs or something nifty)
- SMT on back of board
- some mounting holes for standoffs for non-plate versions
- option for maximum 24 keys all 1unit...

- option for this layout:
... Something like this would work well.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)



Did I miss anything?

You missed my PM :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:29:19
Ok, uhh...

Here's a stab at that 4x6 keypad I threw together.
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48583.0;attach=35675;image)


I'm not sure if komar007 is still working on the atmega32u2 based version, but I'm going to sum up what I think people were asking for...

- 4x6 w/option to remove 1 row to make a 4x5 pad
- Num lock / Fn LED (probably one of each or 3 LEDs or something nifty)
- SMT on back of board
- some mounting holes for standoffs for non-plate versions
- option for maximum 24 keys all 1unit...

- option for this layout:
... Something like this would work well.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)



Did I miss anything?



That all sounds great to me!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:57:41
Not enough layouts supported yet :P
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 17 September 2013, 02:17:23
Ok, uhh...

Here's a stab at that 4x6 keypad I threw together.
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48583.0;attach=35675;image)


I'm not sure if komar007 is still working on the atmega32u2 based version, but I'm going to sum up what I think people were asking for...

- 4x6 w/option to remove 1 row to make a 4x5 pad
- Num lock / Fn LED (probably one of each or 3 LEDs or something nifty)
- SMT on back of board
- some mounting holes for standoffs for non-plate versions
- option for maximum 24 keys all 1unit...

- option for this layout:
... Something like this would work well.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)



Did I miss anything?
Hi regack.
Do you still need help with the PCB?
I'm in vacation mode right now - send me a note.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 September 2013, 16:11:04
So many holes, I think parts of the PCB will fall off by themselves...

(http://i.imgur.com/TKjMEs3.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 17 September 2013, 16:24:41
Would the PCB be strong enough with the switch holes and marking to be able to breakoff one row from the bottom?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 September 2013, 17:55:26
Would the PCB be strong enough with the switch holes and marking to be able to breakoff one row from the bottom?

I guess I'll have to get one made and try it out :D

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 17 September 2013, 17:57:03
Would the PCB be strong enough with the switch holes and marking to be able to breakoff one row from the bottom?

I guess I'll have to get one made and try it out :D

PM incoming.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 17 September 2013, 18:41:15
I am going to get a batch of 10 of regack's PCBs made. If anyone is interested in getting one, please let me know.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 17 September 2013, 18:42:10
I am going to get a batch of 10 of regack's PCBs made. If anyone is interested in getting one, please let me know.

This.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 17 September 2013, 19:03:12
I am going to get a batch of 10 of regack's PCBs made. If anyone is interested in getting one, please let me know.
Might be interested..
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 17 September 2013, 19:04:26
Well I just ordered 10 of them and they were $6 each shipped.  :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 17 September 2013, 19:07:33
Well I just ordered 10 of them and they were $6 each shipped.  :thumb:

Check PM!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ComradeSniper on Tue, 17 September 2013, 22:35:30
Incredibly excited to see some progress being made on this. If any testing or similar help is needed I'm up for it.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 17 September 2013, 22:44:12
Okay, so I got an acrylic case drawn up.
(http://i.imgur.com/GxZ8Cu2.png)
The top and bottom plates are 1/16" and the middle is 1/4". I'm thinking the case will be secured by screw posts like these but I'm not sure on that yet.
(http://d31snyb1jsf9xb.cloudfront.net/services/image.aspx/media/images/product/1291-02-L.JPG)
Other option would be to thread the screws directly into the middle layer.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ComradeSniper on Tue, 17 September 2013, 22:50:23
Will there be a 2x zero layout option?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 17 September 2013, 22:54:35
Will there be a 2x zero layout option?

There will be.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 17 September 2013, 22:58:29
Will there be a 2x zero layout option?

There will be.

Yes, regack has designed a PCB that will support pretty much every numberpad layout you could hope for. However the ones I had printed are the basic design that will just support this key layout.
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ComradeSniper on Tue, 17 September 2013, 23:05:33
Ok, cool.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 17 September 2013, 23:08:40
Ok, cool.

If you are interested in one, just let me know. I think there is 1 of 10 unreserved PCBs left.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 00:09:15
Any ideas on how much a case would cost to get made? Any plans for a small GB?

Ok, cool.

If you are interested in one, just let me know. I think there is 1 of 10 unreserved PCBs left.
Remember to save one for me! :D

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 00:19:33
Any ideas on how much a case would cost to get made? Any plans for a small GB?

Ok, cool.

If you are interested in one, just let me know. I think there is 1 of 10 unreserved PCBs left.
Remember to save one for me! :D

I'll have  quote in few hours for a layered case.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 18 September 2013, 09:04:05
I'll have  quote in few hours for a layered case.

Awesome, thanks MOZ!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 10:07:06
I'll have  quote in few hours for a layered case.

Awesome, thanks MOZ!

$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 September 2013, 10:08:36
So can we get one of these PCB's? And how much?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 18 September 2013, 10:48:31
So can we get one of these PCB's? And how much?

Yes. I ordered 10 PCBs which cost me $6 each. The only additional  cost will be shipping from you to me. Here are the people that have one of the first 10.
Myself
CPTBadAss
Moz
Jdcarpe
regack
Defying
olaph
whiskytango
dragonxx21
SpAmRaY

If you did not get  one, I apologize. I'm sure we can organize a mini GB or something for the PCBs and cases if there is enough demand. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mashby on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:00:53
What the what? I missed this?

(http://i.imgur.com/s8c3q.gif)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:03:02
I'll have  quote in few hours for a layered case.

Awesome, thanks MOZ!

$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.
Sounds great, so any plans for  starting up a mini gb? I'd love to take advantage of that wholesale price
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:04:14
I would suggest first getting the protoypes tested well and then going for the GB.

I would be more than happy to help and supply acrylic cases and anything else I can.

One thing to note however is, we should not sway completely away from the original idea of "extending" the GH60, so we don't need a new controller, extra USB, etc. And the GH60 and the GHpad can both be integrated in one case.

It goes without saying that if Regack can do some magic, and make it so that one PCB can perform both tasks, then that would be amazing. Maybe use a dipswitcch or jumpers.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:05:27
I'd be interested in a setting that would allow you to rotate the pad 90' to the right and use it as a gaming pad. I would have to play test it. It might prove less-than-ergonomic. I have small hands...but here's what I'm thinking

(http://i.imgur.com/8sCcgTl.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:14:38
I'll have  quote in few hours for a layered case.

Awesome, thanks MOZ!

$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.
Sounds great, so any plans for  starting up a mini gb? I'd love to take advantage of that wholesale price
No point for a mini GB since there are only ten PCBs. I'll just post it here, so those interested, PM me or post here.

The case would consist of 5 layers, top player would be mounting plate, thus a 2TU style, if someone wants a different style with a lip, let me know. Also please post the layout you want.

So far in:
-Myself - Layout undecided.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:14:59
I'd be interested in a setting that would allow you to rotate the pad 90' to the right and use it as a gaming pad. I would have to play test it. It might prove less-than-ergonomic. I have small hands...but here's what I'm thinking

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8sCcgTl.jpg)


There is something good coming.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:26:43
MOZ, I would be interested in a case. However, if you are only getting these for this first batch of 10 PCBs right now, I believe they will only support the layout TheFlyingRaccoon posted earlier:

Yes, regack has designed a PCB that will support pretty much every numberpad layout you could hope for. However the ones I had printed are the basic design that will just support this key layout.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)


Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:34:14
MOZ, I would be interested in a case. However, if you are only getting these for this first batch of 10 PCBs right now, I believe they will only support the layout TheFlyingRaccoon posted earlier:

Yes, regack has designed a PCB that will support pretty much every numberpad layout you could hope for. However the ones I had printed are the basic design that will just support this key layout.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)


Not sure, which PCB raccoon has ordered, if it is this one: http://i.imgur.com/TKjMEs3.png

It should support more layouts.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:36:54
Ok here is my plan for the PCBs. I can buy enough components for everyone (microcontroller, diodes, Mini USB connector.) The only other components you'll need are the switches, caps, and case. I'm sure everyone can get caps and switches themselves, and MOZ can supply the cases.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:39:39
I'll have  quote in few hours for a layered case.

Awesome, thanks MOZ!

$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.
Sounds great, so any plans for  starting up a mini gb? I'd love to take advantage of that wholesale price
No point for a mini GB since there are only ten PCBs. I'll just post it here, so those interested, PM me or post here.

The case would consist of 5 layers, top player would be mounting plate, thus a 2TU style, if someone wants a different style with a lip, let me know. Also please post the layout you want.

So far in:
-Myself - Layout undecided.
I'd be interested in a case if it fits the pcbs that TFR picked up. Layout undecided.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:39:50
MOZ, I would be interested in a case. However, if you are only getting these for this first batch of 10 PCBs right now, I believe they will only support the layout TheFlyingRaccoon posted earlier:

Yes, regack has designed a PCB that will support pretty much every numberpad layout you could hope for. However the ones I had printed are the basic design that will just support this key layout.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)


Yes, this is correct. I believe regack is still working on the multi-layout PCB.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:44:06
Man... I'm supposed to be paying attention to biology. But this is so much more important
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:45:28
Will there be a 2x zero layout option?

There will be.

These are a few basic layout possibilities.  There are others, but they start to get a little weird...

(http://i.imgur.com/nbBEU2T.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:50:06
Ok here is my plan for the PCBs. I can buy enough components for everyone (microcontroller, diodes, Mini USB connector.) The only other components you'll need are the switches, caps, and case. I'm sure everyone can get caps and switches themselves, and MOZ can supply the cases.

That would be fine by me. I need to place a mouser order anyway though, so it doesn't really matter for me. Whatever is cheaper I suppose and whatever the other 9 want to do. By the way, I haven't seen the details of this design, but from studying other controllers (GH60, Frosty Flake, etc.), don't you also need a crystal, switch, and some capacitors and resistors?

These are a few basic layout possibilities.  There are others, but they start to get a little weird...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/nbBEU2T.png)


Very cool. My vote would be for the top middle layout. Or bottom right.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:55:23
Why not add support for every switch to have an LED?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 11:57:40
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me
- TheFlyingRaccoon
- SpamRay
- Dragonxx21
- whiskeytango

I would in most likelyhood ship all the cases to TFR, unless someone is not in CONUS. He can then ship them out to each member with all the other components.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 12:00:29
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me
- TheFlyingRaccoon
- SpamRay
- Dragonxx21
- whiskeytango

I would in most likelyhood ship all the cases to TFR, unless someone is not in CONUS. He can then ship them out to each member with all the other components.
I'm in Canada
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 September 2013, 12:03:37
Which layout is fixed?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 18 September 2013, 12:06:50
Which layout is fixed?

The original layout here.
(http://i.imgur.com/0BH9KgN.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 18 September 2013, 12:10:58
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me
- TheFlyingRaccoon
- SpamRay
- Dragonxx21
- whiskeytango

I would in most likelyhood ship all the cases to TFR, unless someone is not in CONUS. He can then ship them out to each member with all the other components.
I'm in Canada

That sounds good. I can ship all the components (PCB, parts, case) in one box. I'll ship international as long as the buyer pays shipping. We gotta include the Canadians and our friends across the pond.  :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 12:23:43
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me
- TheFlyingRaccoon
- SpamRay
- Dragonxx21
- whiskeytango

I would in most likelyhood ship all the cases to TFR, unless someone is not in CONUS. He can then ship them out to each member with all the other components.
I'm in Canada

That sounds good. I can ship all the components (PCB, parts, case) in one box. I'll ship international as long as the buyer pays shipping. We gotta include the Canadians and our friends across the pond.  :p

I can handle Non-CONUS, Shipping would be around $7 for the case + PCB + components. How much would it be from your end?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 September 2013, 12:33:35
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me
- TheFlyingRaccoon
- SpamRay
- Dragonxx21
- whiskeytango

I would in most likelyhood ship all the cases to TFR, unless someone is not in CONUS. He can then ship them out to each member with all the other components.

I'm also in for a case to go with the prototype PCB. Thanks!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 September 2013, 12:34:54
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me
- TheFlyingRaccoon
- SpamRay
- Dragonxx21
- whiskeytango

I would in most likelyhood ship all the cases to TFR, unless someone is not in CONUS. He can then ship them out to each member with all the other components.

I'm also in for a case to go with the prototype PCB. Thanks!

I'd also like a case.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 18 September 2013, 12:50:22
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me
- TheFlyingRaccoon
- SpamRay
- Dragonxx21
- whiskeytango

I would in most likelyhood ship all the cases to TFR, unless someone is not in CONUS. He can then ship them out to each member with all the other components.

I'm also in for a case to go with the prototype PCB. Thanks!

Hey, wait, I want one too...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:03:46
lol at that price I think it's a safe bet that everyone who wanted the PCB will want the case too.

@regack, thanks so much for doing the design work on this.

AND TFR and MOZ of course! You guys don't mess around.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:11:33
lol at that price I think it's a safe bet that everyone who wanted the PCB will want the case too.

@regack, thanks so much for doing the design work on this.

It only makes sense to get the case.

And yes thanks to regack and TFR and MOZ!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mashby on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:23:41
If a spot opens up, I'm interested in both the PCB and the case.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:24:32
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me (ROW)
- TheFlyingRaccoon (CONUS)
- SpamRay (CONUS)
- Dragonxx21 (Canada)
- whiskeytango (CONUS)
- jdcarpe (CONUS)
- CPTBadass (CONUS)
- regack (CONUS)
- Defying  (CONUS)

Not decided:
- olaph

regack where are you located? Don't know olaph's location.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:28:59
Dragonxx21 is in *Canada*

I'm in Canada
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:30:52
Dragonxx21 is in *Canada*

I'm in Canada
This is correct
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:33:05
regack where are you located?

regack is CONUS. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:38:09
Top three are feet for tenting.

From bottom most layer to top most layer.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:41:16
What stabilizers will fit into that case? Looks like Cherry but I wanted to confirm.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:46:21
Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me (ROW)
- TheFlyingRaccoon (CONUS)
- SpamRay (CONUS)
- Dragonxx21 (Canada)
- whiskeytango (CONUS)
- jdcarpe (CONUS)
- CPTBadass (CONUS)
- regack (CONUS)

Not decided:
- Defying  (CONUS)
- olaph

regack where are you located? Don't know olaph's location.
I'll take one  :thumb:
if we're still voting for the layout, I'd say the top middle is the best IMO. im dum
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:55:47
What stabilizers will fit into that case? Looks like Cherry but I wanted to confirm.

Since the case is all 3mm acrylic, Cherry PCB would be best. You could glue in Costar and Cherry plate mounted. I think I have the right cutout, I'm so new to this. :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:55:51
I totally forgot about this. Really great to see a few prototypes being made. Good job Regack and all others involved.

I think I might be wanting something like this real soon..
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:57:21
What stabilizers will fit into that case? Looks like Cherry but I wanted to confirm.

Since the case is all 3mm acrylic, Cherry PCB would be best. You could glue in Costar and Cherry plate mounted

Cherry PCB is fine, just wanted to confirm. Thanks.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:58:41
I'd be in for one to!

I'm conus
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 14:02:40
How much would the shipping be for Canada?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 14:05:35
Racoon, looks like we need to up the protoype order :P

Jokes apart, I don't think it is a good idea for too many proto kits, as the real deal will be the layout regack is working on, and then that would be fun! :)
Title: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: fydo on Wed, 18 September 2013, 14:07:12
This is awesome!

After the PCB is finalized, I'd love to see a matching set of aluminum GH60 and GHpad seperate cases. (With the 4x5 option of course, so the sizes match) :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:00:18
Me too me too!! =)

I'm in Oregon.

Thanks!

Okay, so the layout is fixed for this prototype.

In so far:
- Me (ROW)
- TheFlyingRaccoon (CONUS)
- SpamRay (CONUS)
- Dragonxx21 (Canada)
- whiskeytango (CONUS)
- jdcarpe (CONUS)
- CPTBadass (CONUS)
- regack (CONUS)
- Defying  (CONUS)

Not decided:
- olaph

regack where are you located? Don't know olaph's location.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:07:25
Okay it is settled then, I will ship all the orders to Raccoon, who will then send out the kits to everyone minus the switches and keycaps.

I have revised the design to include the reset switch hole at the back, along withe an extra screw up top, near the USB port.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:09:24
So what controller will this use?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:13:05
Atmega32u4
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:29:06
Probably would have been in if it was 4x5. 4x6 just wont look good next to my poker.

How much would it cost to be a beta tester by the way?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:51:19
How much would it cost to be a beta tester by the way?

I'm paying $6 for my PCB and about $10-15 for the case. I'm not sure if this is a beta test though. Seems like this is the prototype run.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:53:45
How much would it cost to be a beta tester by the way?

I'm paying $6 for my PCB and about $10-15 for the case. I'm not sure if this is a beta test though. Seems like this is the prototype run.

I might jump in the proto stage anyway if I could get in at that cost. Would be a fun little project.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:54:57
I'm not sure what the case is going to cost actually, misread. $7 for shipping, not sure about the case itself.

Also please re read the previous few pages. I don't think they're opening this open to anymore people for this round.

Racoon, looks like we need to up the protoype order :P

Jokes apart, I don't think it is a good idea for too many proto kits, as the real deal will be the layout regack is working on, and then that would be fun! :)

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 16:33:38
How much would it cost to be a beta tester by the way?

I'm paying $6 for my PCB and about $10-15 for the case. I'm not sure if this is a beta test though. Seems like this is the prototype run.

I might jump in the proto stage anyway if I could get in at that cost. Would be a fun little project.
I believe TFR only ordered 10 PCBs and that was it for this run of prototypes. I also believe there will be a final PCB that regack is working on.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 September 2013, 16:44:38
I believe TFR only ordered 10 PCBs and that was it for this run of prototypes. I also believe there will be a final PCB that regack is working on.
That is correct
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pasph on Wed, 18 September 2013, 18:20:47
Interested in the final tested version pcb+case
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 18 September 2013, 19:44:12
Just wanted to update with a outline for the project as of now.

Still need to do

Just let me know if I missed anything and I can add it to the list. The only other thing I can think of is some people may already have diodes, etc and not want to purchase them.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 September 2013, 19:57:29

  • Name the project


Catch-22 Keypad!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 September 2013, 19:57:35
I doubt any of us have SMD diodes laying around :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Loligagger on Wed, 18 September 2013, 21:29:14
Being able to hook this up to the GH60 is still a possibility for the final boards, right? I'm still holding out for whenever WFD can get back to finishing his GH70 case so I can stick this and the GH60 in a single case.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: lcs on Wed, 18 September 2013, 21:35:27
Someone give me their spot. You all have everything already :'(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 18 September 2013, 22:04:04
Someone give me their spot. You all have everything already :'(

Don't worry! If all goes well, there should be a Round 2 with the universal layout PCB.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 18 September 2013, 22:41:28
Someone give me their spot. You all have everything already :'(

Don't worry! If all goes well, there should be a Round 2 with the universal layout PCB.
Aw man, I'll be tempted to opt into R2 as well :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ComradeSniper on Thu, 19 September 2013, 08:54:12
Someone give me their spot. You all have everything already :'(

Don't worry! If all goes well, there should be a Round 2 with the universal layout PCB.

I'll be in on that one for sure.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:31:26
... and I just noticed this morning that I have three of the through-hole resistors for the LEDs on the top of the board instead of the bottom... at least I don't have to move any of the traces to fix that.  The one pin on switch 5 and 21 is kind of hosed...    :'(

(http://i.imgur.com/kAQyI66.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:43:39
... and I just noticed this morning that I have three of the through-hole resistors for the LEDs on the top of the board instead of the bottom... at least I don't have to move any of the traces to fix that.  The one pin on switch 5 and 21 is kind of hosed...    :'(

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/kAQyI66.png)


This is the universal board if I am not wrong. Looking beautiful.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:22:20
Made a "render" of MOZ's case.
(http://i.imgur.com/cbu9615.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: lcs on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:23:10
Made a "render" of MOZ's case.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cbu9615.png)


:<
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:24:38
Made a "render" of MOZ's case.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cbu9615.png)

:eek: it's beautiful
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:27:15
Made a "render" of MOZ's case.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cbu9615.png)

:eek: it's beautiful

Thanks! I did my best with AutoCAD. I am pretty rusty at 3DS Max but if anyone wants to make a real render I would be happy to send the files to them.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:30:21
Made a "render" of MOZ's case.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cbu9615.png)

:eek: it's beautiful

Thanks! I did my best with AutoCAD. I am pretty rusty at 3DS Max but if anyone wants to make a real render I would be happy to send the files to them.

I could

Edit: Gimme gimme gimme
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:38:07
I could

Edit: Gimme gimme gimme

Here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmfv8otmvkrdohg/GHPad%203d2.dwg) is the download link to the 3D model. If you could make the plates that are currently grey a milky white that would be awesome.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:52:01
$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.

Just to break down the prices:

Price of case: $7.50 (Minor Price drop)
Bolts/Nuts: $2.00
Shipping: $2.5 (Since I will now bulk ship to Flying Racoon)
My Fees: $0.00 (I thought since it is a prototype, it isn't fair to ask for my fees since everyone is taking a minor risk)
Total: 12
After Paypal Fees: $12.77
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:55:23
$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.

Just to break down the prices:

Price of case: $7.50 (Minor Price drop)
Bolts/Nuts: $2.00
Shipping: $2.5 (Since I will now bulk ship to Flying Racoon)
My Fees: $0.00 (I thought since it is a prototype, it isn't fair to ask for my fees since everyone is taking a minor risk)
Total: 12
After Paypal Fees: $12.77

Might as well call it $13 ;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:59:26
$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.

Just to break down the prices:

Price of case: $7.50 (Minor Price drop)
Bolts/Nuts: $2.00
Shipping: $2.5 (Since I will now bulk ship to Flying Racoon)
My Fees: $0.00 (I thought since it is a prototype, it isn't fair to ask for my fees since everyone is taking a minor risk)
Total: 12
After Paypal Fees: $12.77

Might as well call it $13 ;)

And $6 for the PCB. So we are up to $19 not including shipping or parts. Not bad!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:01:49
$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.

Just to break down the prices:

Price of case: $7.50 (Minor Price drop)
Bolts/Nuts: $2.00
Shipping: $2.5 (Since I will now bulk ship to Flying Racoon)
My Fees: $0.00 (I thought since it is a prototype, it isn't fair to ask for my fees since everyone is taking a minor risk)
Total: 12
After Paypal Fees: $12.77

Might as well call it $13 ;)

And $6 for the PCB. So we are up to $19 not including shipping or parts. Not bad!

Shipping from you to the rest. ;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:05:04
And the parts list is on Github. (https://github.com/regack/4x6/blob/master/BOM.xls) If anyone wants to help me deceiver it and possible make a Mouser parts list, that would be  very helpful.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:31:16
Got the proto for TFR cut today and nuts/bolts packed as well.

The case with the feet:
[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

The case without the feet:
[attach=4] [attach=5] [attach=7]

I love these dome nuts:
[attach=6]

The layers:
[attach=8]

All nuts/bolts packed:
[attach=9]

Contents of each pack:
[attach=10]
7 M3 dome nuts
7 M3x16mm socket hex bolts
5 M3x25mm socket hex bolts
So you can choose to have the feet or not and 2 extras of each, so just incase the threads go bad on any of them.

The case kit:
[attach=11]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:35:37
^^ does having those domed nuts as feet make it slide really easy?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:35:48
Got the proto for TFR cut today and nuts/bolts packed as well.

The case with the feet:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

The case without the feet:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

I love these dome nuts:
(Attachment Link)

The layers:
(Attachment Link)

All nuts/bolts packed:
(Attachment Link)

Contents of each pack:
(Attachment Link)
7 M3 dome nuts
7 M3x16mm socket hex bolts
5 M3x25mm socket hex bolts
So you can choose to have the feet or not and 2 extras of each, so just incase the threads go bad on any of them.

The case kit:
(Attachment Link)

Oh snap, this looks awesome! Thanks for all the pics
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:42:47
^^ does having those domed nuts as feet make it slide really easy?

Depends on the table top surface. On a smooth one I suppose it would, I use a giant razer mousepad on my table, so I couldn't tell.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 19 September 2013, 17:19:41
Wow that price is awesome. When these go to production, or if you need someone to test them out I'm in for at least one now or later.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Thu, 19 September 2013, 17:26:38
Wow, so we're making this sub $30 which is really awesome.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:07:25
Wow, so we're making this sub $30 which is really awesome.

Maybe. :)

The ATmega32U4 alone is about $8.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:09:33
Dang, now I really wish I was in on this first test group!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:13:32
Wow, so we're making this sub $30 which is really awesome.

Maybe. :)

The ATmega32U4 alone is about $8.

Yeah the controller is $6 and the other parts could be up to $15. So we are looking at $6 PCB + $13 case + $6 controller + $15 parts + $5 shipping. So ~$45. Of course that is just an estimate, it could be cheaper.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:19:07
I will try to compile a parts list for you tonight. I'm not 100% sure you can get all the parts from Mouser, but I'll see what they have.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:21:49
I will try to compile a parts list for you tonight. I'm not 100% sure you can get all the parts from Mouser, but I'll see what they have.

Here is what I have so far from Digikey. Not sure if it's 100% correct though.
(http://i.imgur.com/XBL94zQ.png)
I couldn't find or need clarification on DC1, DF2, DF3, R4, RF1, RF2, RF3, S0, and X1
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:03:26
I will try to compile a parts list for you tonight. I'm not 100% sure you can get all the parts from Mouser, but I'll see what they have.

Here is what I have so far from Digikey. Not sure if it's 100% correct though.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XBL94zQ.png)

I couldn't find or need clarification on DC1, DF2, DF3, R4, RF1, RF2, RF3, S0, and X1

R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 - Resistance for LEDs - R4, RF1, RF2, RF3
DC1, DF2, DF3 - Any ~1.8V LED around 3mm would be fine
X1 - This I think? Someone can confirm: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7M-16.000MAAJ-T/887-1125-1-ND/2119014
S0: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADTSMW69NVTR/679-2392-6-ND/2344206
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:19:14
I will try to compile a parts list for you tonight. I'm not 100% sure you can get all the parts from Mouser, but I'll see what they have.

Here is what I have so far from Digikey. Not sure if it's 100% correct though.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XBL94zQ.png)

I couldn't find or need clarification on DC1, DF2, DF3, R4, RF1, RF2, RF3, S0, and X1

R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 - Resistance for LEDs - R4, RF1, RF2, RF3
DC1, DF2, DF3 - Any ~1.8V LED around 3mm would be fine
X1 - This I think? Someone can confirm: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7M-16.000MAAJ-T/887-1125-1-ND/2119014
S0: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADTSMW69NVTR/679-2392-6-ND/2344206

Looks like those should work.

TFR, the only thing on your list I'm not sure of is the diodes. Are those size 0805?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:58:12
R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 - Resistance for LEDs - R4, RF1, RF2, RF3
DC1, DF2, DF3 - Any ~1.8V LED around 3mm would be fine
X1 - This I think? Someone can confirm: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7M-16.000MAAJ-T/887-1125-1-ND/2119014
S0: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADTSMW69NVTR/679-2392-6-ND/2344206

I have a bunch of 100ohm resistors and some red LEDs, will that work? I have enough for all 10 PCBs. I'm not certain on the crystal, regack will have to confirm that. I'm pretty sure that button wouldn't work though, the footprint isn't the right size. Also, they're expensive, something cheaper should work the same.

Looks like those should work.

TFR, the only thing on your list I'm not sure of is the diodes. Are those size 0805?

I don't know to be honest, there were so many options! Here is the diode I used. Digikey link (http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DKSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=136800022&uq=635152169455034664)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:12:36
UPDATE
MOZ is willing to include cheap MX Blue switches from a TVS Gold for people who got in on the first 10 PCBs. They are ~$0.35 each so $7.70 for a set of switches. Post here if you are interested!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:15:20
I have a bunch of 100ohm resistors and some red LEDs, will that work? I have enough for all 10 PCBs. I'm not certain on the crystal, regack will have to confirm that. I'm pretty sure that button wouldn't work though, the footprint isn't the right size. Also, they're expensive, something cheaper should work the same.
What is the power rating on the LEDs? Footprint is the correct size, I just double-checked. Agreed on the pricing.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:17:27
Wow.. This just keeps getting better and better. Thanks MOZ! Please put me down for some blues. =D

UPDATE
MOZ is willing to include cheap MX Blue switches from a TVS Gold for people who got in on the first 10 PCBs. They are ~$0.35 each so $7.70 for a set of switches. Post here if you are interested!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:22:54
What is the power rating on the LEDs? Footprint is the correct size, I just double-checked. Agreed on the pricing.

No idea, but they are from my QF TK.

Wow.. This just keeps getting better and better. Thanks MOZ! Please put me down for some blues. =D

Awesome!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:25:06
Hmm, I don't think the red would go nice on the blue board, white is best, and LEDs are cheap anyway.

In for blue switches:
- MOZ
- olaph
- jdcarpe
- whiskeyTango
- Dragonxx21
- regack
- CPTBadAss

Opted out for switch:
- TheFlyingRaccoon
- Defying
- SpamRay
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:30:39
Hmm, I don't think the red would go nice on the blue board, white is best, and LEDs are cheap anyway.

In for blue switches:
- MOZ
- olaph

Well yes, we could order white too. Is there other colors anyone would like?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:41:04
I'm in for some switches, please.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:48:45
I feel we'll be reaching 10 orders on the switches too, damn you raccoon :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Thu, 19 September 2013, 21:03:46
I feel we'll be reaching 10 orders on the switches too, damn you raccoon :P
Maybe not.. I'm considering it. I have over 100 MX Blue switches laying around... not sure if I need them lol.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 21:07:19
Maybe not.. I'm considering it. I have over 100 MX Blue switches laying around... not sure if I need them lol.

It's all good! I personally will be going with white switches.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 September 2013, 21:32:14
I've already got switches and LEDs
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 19 September 2013, 22:26:06
I don't need switches either. Dudes, this is all very cool. Can't believe how fast you put it all together.

Edit: MOZ, on second thought, I will take some switches if you don't mind. I just realized I had already made plans for the switches I have already. You can add me to the switches list.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Fri, 20 September 2013, 00:49:02
I'm going to put some black springs from a tg3 into the blues. =D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 20 September 2013, 09:54:36
Maybe not.. I'm considering it. I have over 100 MX Blue switches laying around... not sure if I need them lol.

It's all good! I personally will be going with white switches.

What colour LEDs are you ordering for the set? I might be thinking of picking up my own LEDs as I might want a different colour.

Hmm, I don't think the red would go nice on the blue board, white is best, and LEDs are cheap anyway.

In for blue switches:
- MOZ
- olaph
- jdcarpe
- whiskeyTango
I'll be in for a set of blues as well.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 September 2013, 10:23:14
I've put you down for switches. I should get them by tomorrow.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: madderoftime on Fri, 20 September 2013, 11:01:50
I was looking and don't see yet where to order these! Praying I am not missing this yet. I am interested in 6 of them cases and all. Don't forget me!  :eek:
Or am I early and this is just the test group? Sorry RL has been busy! :-[
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 20 September 2013, 11:04:12
I was looking and don't see yet where to order these! Praying I am not missing this yet. I am interested in 6 of them cases and all. Don't forget me!  :eek:
Or am I early and this is just the test group? Sorry RL has been busy! :-[
This is simply the prototype run and only ten sets were ordered. At this point in time all spots have been filled.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: madderoftime on Fri, 20 September 2013, 11:15:43
Ok cool. I'll sit down and shut up then. :) watching as intently as possible - really want this for my GH60s. :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:43:57
R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 - Resistance for LEDs - R4, RF1, RF2, RF3
DC1, DF2, DF3 - Any ~1.8V LED around 3mm would be fine

X1 - This I think? Someone can confirm: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7M-16.000MAAJ-T/887-1125-1-ND/2119014

S0: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADTSMW69NVTR/679-2392-6-ND/2344206

I was looking for that ASX3F crystal and found komar's response earlier this year:


EDIT: Where did you source your ASX3F?  I'm having issues finding a supplier.
Unfortunately in a local shop.
Please try to find anything of similar size and footprint.
I'm attaching the datasheet: (Attachment Link) .

EDIT: I think these (http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?FV=fff4000d%2Cfff8016d&k=16MHz&vendor=0&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ptm=0&fid=0&quantity=0&PV46=13601) should be fine.

There was a datasheet in there to compare, and so...

X1: Basically, it looks like MOZ has found something that will work just fine.  The footprint is essentially the same (maybe .02mm difference)

S0: I used an ADTSJW65RV from mouser on a differnt board, the footprint isn't exact, but it's close enough.  Looking at footprint in the spec sheet for the one MOZ found should work fine, it fits within the pad locations.


DC1, DF1, DF2, DF3 are all 3mm LEDs, preferably with no lip.  I have quite a few varieties at home already, I dunno, this is kind of up to each person...
R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 are all through-hole resistors that need to be sized based on the LEDs.

If you've got 1mA, 1.8v LEDs, you'll want like a .25w 330Ohm resistors...

This calculator is a great resource: http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz

----

Go ahead and put me in for MX Blues... Thanks!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:50:16
Good, so we are on track as far as components are concerned. I think we can omit the resistors and LEDs, since it is a personal choice and completely optional. I've put you up for those switches regack.

If I understand correctly, from your post on the 40% threads, we are testing both this and that together? So we can essentially double our order (Based on how many protos we do for the 40%), and I want , in, please!

Do we need a case for that, if yes, I can without a doubt help, I actually do have a case ready, the "Pencil Case", I got the magnets (For keeping KB and cover attached while in transit) already, they arrived a couple of days back.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:54:05
Can someone confirm if we can use this switch: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MJTPSMWBTR/679-2461-1-ND/2344177

Should save each one a dollar.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 20 September 2013, 14:32:27
Can someone confirm if we can use this switch: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MJTPSMWBTR/679-2461-1-ND/2344177

Should save each one a dollar.

It looks ok.  As long as the leads fit on the PCB pads - which are: length 6-12mm / width 3-5mm
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 20 September 2013, 14:43:47
So where do the four LEDs go on this prototype? I am assuming one will be for numlock, but I'm unsure about the other three...?

I see that you have four LEDs at the top for you universal version... I just wondered where they go specifically on this first version that TFR has already ordered. Thanks
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 September 2013, 14:59:57
So where do the four LEDs go on this prototype? I am assuming one will be for numlock, but I'm unsure about the other three...?

I see that you have four LEDs at the top for you universal version... I just wondered where they go specifically on this first version that TFR has already ordered. Thanks

Same positions.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: simkev on Fri, 20 September 2013, 15:07:48
... and I just noticed this morning that I have three of the through-hole resistors for the LEDs on the top of the board instead of the bottom... at least I don't have to move any of the traces to fix that.  The one pin on switch 5 and 21 is kind of hosed...    :'(

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/kAQyI66.png)

OMG!
This is awesome!
A breakoffable numpad
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:03:50
Does someone want to double check the parts list?
(http://i.imgur.com/5ArXtv6.png)
Shipping is $5.32 so total cost is $10.22 a set. This does not include diodes or LEDs. If you don't have them already, I have plenty of red LEDs and various resistors.

Rough Cost Estimate
$6 - PCB
$13 - case
$10.22 - parts
$5 - shipping
= $35 estimated total
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:10:11
Does someone want to double check the parts list?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5ArXtv6.png)

Shipping is $5.32 so total cost is $10.22 a set. This does not include diodes or LEDs. If you don't have them already, I have plenty of red LEDs and various resistors.
I'd probably need the diodes as I don't have a ready supply of electronics components. What size LEDs would you need? I might need to look around to see if I can find purple LEDs...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:12:35
I'd probably need the diodes as I don't have a ready supply of electronics components. What size LEDs would you need? I might need to look around to see if I can find purple LEDs...

You would need 3mm round LEDs or 2x3x4mm square LEDs.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:16:58
Does someone want to double check the parts list?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5ArXtv6.png)

Shipping is $5.32 so total cost is $10.22 a set. This does not include diodes or LEDs. If you don't have them already, I have plenty of red LEDs and various resistors.

Rough Cost Estimate
$6 - PCB
$13 - case
$10.22 - parts
$5 - shipping
= $35 estimated total
I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:23:27
I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(

Ok, here's what we'll do. Everyone in the first round needs to tell me what color LEDs they want. If you already have LEDs, you can opt out. I can order the LEDs and resistors then ship them with the rest of the parts.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:26:38
I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(

Ok, here's what we'll do. Everyone in the first round needs to tell me what color LEDs they want. If you already have LEDs, you can opt out. I can order the LEDs and resistors then ship them with the rest of the parts.
I'm confused. Are you talking about diodes, or resistors? Cause in the post with the part info, you say how there is no diodes included, but in the screenshot, I see 500 diodes. No resistors/LED's.  :-\

I could be really dumb right now and not know what I'm talking about.. I'm tired.

also if it's still wanted, I'd like white LED's.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:28:32
I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(

Ok, here's what we'll do. Everyone in the first round needs to tell me what color LEDs they want. If you already have LEDs, you can opt out. I can order the LEDs and resistors then ship them with the rest of the parts.
Purple LEDs. Just thought I'd put it in here just for reference.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:32:49
I'm confused. Are you talking about diodes, or resistors? Cause in the post with the part info, you say how there is no diodes included, but in the screenshot, I see 500 diodes. No resistors/LED's.  :-\

Yes, I did not include LEDs or resistors. The resistor depends on what LED you use so the resistors were left out. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:33:21
DOUBLE POST EDIT: Not sure how that happened :|
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:35:32
I'm confused. Are you talking about diodes, or resistors? Cause in the post with the part info, you say how there is no diodes included, but in the screenshot, I see 500 diodes. No resistors/LED's.  :-\

Yes, I did not include LEDs or resistors. The resistor depends on what LED you use so the resistors were left out.
wow okay I'm dumb

I should just go to sleep now lol
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:35:48
TFR, I think there is confusion between the switch diodes and the  light emitting diodes... you said it includes everything but diodes and LEDs, but I think you meant to say ti includes everything but resistors and LEDs. You do seem to have switch diodes listed in your order list.

Edit: I see you figured that out.

I would like rectangular LEDs in purple. If no purple, then white please.

This list is awesome and better prices than I expected. Thanks for all the work!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:38:42
TFR, I think there is confusion between the switch diodes and the  light emitting diodes... you said it includes everything but diodes and LEDs, but I think you meant to say ti includes everything but resistors and LEDs. You do seem to have switch diodes listed in your order list.

Edit: I see you figured that out.

I would like rectangular LEDs in purple. If no purple, then white please.

This list is awesome and better prices than I expected. Thanks for all the work!

Yeah, I fixed my mistake. Sorry for the confusion! Rectangular LEDs in purple, gotcha.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:40:42
Actually I don't need LED's, just found some laying around that should work.  ;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:41:36
Actually I don't need LED's, just found some laying around that should work.  ;)

Sounds good. Thanks for letting me know!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:44:24
When do you expect the kits to go out? Just wondering, this project is incredibly awesome and this will be my first DIY (from a bare PCB) project  :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:50:42
Rectangular purple LEDs for me too!

Just wondering, why are you ordering 20 sets?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:54:57
Rectangular purple LEDs for me too!

Just wondering, why are you ordering 20 sets?

Jdcarpe wanted 10 extra. It gets us lower prices so I'm not complaining!

When do you expect the kits to go out? Just wondering, this project is incredibly awesome and this will be my first DIY (from a bare PCB) project  :thumb:

The only thing that will take extra time is manufacturing and waiting for the PCBs to ship and the acrylic case. MOZ and I have to revise the design then he has to get them cut and shipped to me. The parts are from Digikey and shouldn't take long to arrive. I think we are doing pretty well on time though.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:59:15
Everybody be taking my purple LEDs!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 21 September 2013, 07:03:24
What is the pricing on the purple LEDs I might need 150 total

Also I need 3 extra set of controller electronics, for future projects.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 21 September 2013, 07:06:42
I'm good on LED's I probably won't use any.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 21 September 2013, 10:11:07
Math helps :P

(http://i.imgur.com/CbHI4ru.png)

25 sets + 375 extra diodes yet $8 less

So since each set has 25 diodes, 25 sets have 625 diodes, costing $21.24.

Thus total for 25 sets including $5.23 shipping is: $183.48

Hence each set is ~$7.5.

We have 25 sets, 1 for everyone (Total 8 ) except me (4) and jdcarpe (11), that means we have 2 sets extra, raccoon you can keep them as I know you will be working on more customs, or if someone wants to buy, they can do that, since you are ordering raccoon, that is up to you, and if someone wants more, we can increase the order and maybe hit new tiers.

Also, update on the switched. I will be packaging them as 25 switches, just in case any comes out faulty or is damaged in transit. This pack would be for $9.

Costs thus far:
$6 - PCB
$13 - case
$7.5 - parts
$5 - shipping
$9 - switches
Resistors and LEDs extra.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Sat, 21 September 2013, 11:29:29
I would like green LEDs if possible.. If not, any color will do. =) Thank you.

I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(

Ok, here's what we'll do. Everyone in the first round needs to tell me what color LEDs they want. If you already have LEDs, you can opt out. I can order the LEDs and resistors then ship them with the rest of the parts.
I'm confused. Are you talking about diodes, or resistors? Cause in the post with the part info, you say how there is no diodes included, but in the screenshot, I see 500 diodes. No resistors/LED's.  :-\

I could be really dumb right now and not know what I'm talking about.. I'm tired.

also if it's still wanted, I'd like white LED's.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 21 September 2013, 12:25:04
No LEDs needed here, thank you. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 22 September 2013, 19:27:13
Switches packed.

Each pack has two smaller packets consisting of 13 switches each. Please note that these are desoldered switches, and thus some of them have the terminal pins at the end slightly bent (Can be flattened easily with plier) since some assembly worker thought it is a good idea  >:D. And some would have some remaining solder or a pulled of pad.

When using them, remember to clean them with a soldering iron.

(http://i.imgur.com/tVeXZvy.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oaklandishh on Sun, 22 September 2013, 20:07:29
This is a really cool project. Any plans on a GB or something after you guys have finished?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 22 September 2013, 20:12:11
This is a really cool project. Any plans on a GB or something after you guys have finished?

After the protoyping is done and all issues sorted, raccoon and I will do a GB.

There might be a second round of beta with the universal board that regack is still completing PCB for.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 22 September 2013, 20:23:18
Ideally, what you want in a GB like this would be someone who could supply you with the PCB, stabilizers (if requested), switches, a case and/or a plate. And possibly assembly service.

If MOZ and TheFlyingRacoon can handle that, it sounds like they are ready to roll with it, once everything is final and prototypes have been made and tested.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 22 September 2013, 20:43:02
Ideally, what you want in a GB like this would be someone who could supply you with the PCB, stabilizers (if requested), switches, a case and/or a plate. And possibly assembly service.

If MOZ and TheFlyingRacoon can handle that, it sounds like they are ready to roll with it, once everything is final and prototypes have been made and tested.

This prototyping is sort of a mock GB for us too :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sun, 22 September 2013, 21:22:37
Ideally, what you want in a GB like this would be someone who could supply you with the PCB, stabilizers (if requested), switches, a case and/or a plate. And possibly assembly service.

If MOZ and TheFlyingRacoon can handle that, it sounds like they are ready to roll with it, once everything is final and prototypes have been made and tested.

This prototyping is sort of a mock GB for us too :D
Heh. Hopefully everything goes well :D

Just realized I need to pick up a new soldering iron tip for the various SMD soldering.. I'll have to use WFD's method :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 22 September 2013, 21:26:36
What is the recommended tip for a Hakko 888 for SMD soldering?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 22 September 2013, 21:31:44
What is the recommended tip for a Hakko 888 for SMD soldering?

I will most likely be using a T18-DL12
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 22 September 2013, 21:38:52
What is the recommended tip for a Hakko 888 for SMD soldering?

I will most likely be using a T18-DL12

Ok. I'll have to check and see if I have that one!

I should probably practice my soldering at some point.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sun, 22 September 2013, 21:39:54
What is the recommended tip for a Hakko 888 for SMD soldering?

I will most likely be using a T18-DL12

Hey JD, you want to come over and help me solder everyone's PCBs? :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 22 September 2013, 22:09:11
What is the recommended tip for a Hakko 888 for SMD soldering?

I will most likely be using a T18-DL12

Hey JD, you want to come over and help me solder everyone's PCBs? :P

You will solder them for us  :eek:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sun, 22 September 2013, 22:36:36
What is the recommended tip for a Hakko 888 for SMD soldering?

I will most likely be using a T18-DL12

Hey JD, you want to come over and help me solder everyone's PCBs? :P

You will solder them for us  :eek:
I think he's talking about the final PCB's.  :eek:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 23 September 2013, 00:23:04
Final PCBs for the group buy should be manufactured using pick and place, just like the final GH60s will be. So end users won't have to worry about SMD soldering.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 23 September 2013, 00:47:16
Final PCBs for the group buy should be manufactured using pick and place, just like the final GH60s will be. So end users won't have to worry about SMD soldering.

Exactly. I figured since it was only 10 PCBs, I would be happy to do the SMD soldering for everyone. I have that Hakko 936 you sold me and the proper equipment to SMD solder.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 23 September 2013, 00:52:02
Final PCBs for the group buy should be manufactured using pick and place, just like the final GH60s will be. So end users won't have to worry about SMD soldering.

Exactly. I figured since it was only 10 PCBs, I would be happy to do the SMD soldering for everyone. I have that Hakko 936 you sold me and the proper equipment to SMD solder.

are the prototypes SMD?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 23 September 2013, 00:54:02
are the prototypes SMD?

Yes, there is lots of SMD soldering involved.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 23 September 2013, 01:16:10
Final PCBs for the group buy should be manufactured using pick and place, just like the final GH60s will be. So end users won't have to worry about SMD soldering.
Yes, that is hi=ow it would be done.

Exactly. I figured since it was only 10 PCBs, I would be happy to do the SMD soldering for everyone. I have that Hakko 936 you sold me and the proper equipment to SMD solder.
What is proper equipment, do I need something specific, besides the normal through hole stuff and a finer tip?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oaklandishh on Mon, 23 September 2013, 01:49:30
SMD soldering can be some serious stuff :o good luck!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 23 September 2013, 01:50:52
are the prototypes SMD?

Yes, there is lots of SMD soldering involved.

Hmm... I'd like to try doing it myself... but I don't know if I'm ready for SMD yet.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oaklandishh on Mon, 23 September 2013, 02:16:19
I found this to be a very helpful video on SMD soldering if you are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 23 September 2013, 04:20:11
I found this to be a very helpful video on SMD soldering if you are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY)
Thanks, I'll check it out. I have a feeling that the solder I have is too big, same goes for my tip.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 23 September 2013, 06:43:39
Final PCBs for the group buy should be manufactured using pick and place, just like the final GH60s will be. So end users won't have to worry about SMD soldering.

Exactly. I figured since it was only 10 PCBs, I would be happy to do the SMD soldering for everyone. I have that Hakko 936 you sold me and the proper equipment to SMD solder.

^^ I would gladly pay a few dollars for this service!!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Mon, 23 September 2013, 07:08:26
As long as you only need an iron to do it, it couldn't be that hard right?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 23 September 2013, 07:11:54
As long as you only need an iron to do it, it couldn't be that hard right?

SMD is an entire different ball game. Some of that stuff is super tiny.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 23 September 2013, 07:37:36
I also don't need LEDs and would pay for SMD soldering.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Mon, 23 September 2013, 07:41:58
As long as you only need an iron to do it, it couldn't be that hard right?

SMD is an entire different ball game. Some of that stuff is super tiny.

I saw whitefiredragon do it with an iron, and not even a very small tip. I'm not saying its as easy as through hole stuff, but it also doesn't seem terribly difficult. I need to get a pair of those tongs for holding stuff in place before doing it though.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Mon, 23 September 2013, 08:30:43
TFR, I was hoping to get to do the soldering myselfI. Part of the fun of DIY and all.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 23 September 2013, 09:11:35
TFR, I was hoping to get to do the soldering myselfI. Part of the fun of DIY and all.

Sounds good! I would be happy to offer SMD soldering and assembly services for whoever needs it but you can always to do it yourself.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 23 September 2013, 10:32:02
I'll do the soldering myself. It's nice that you're offering SMD soldering, but one of the reasons why I wanted this was to be my first DIY kit.  :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 23 September 2013, 13:27:41
I'll do the soldering myself. It's nice that you're offering SMD soldering, but one of the reasons why I wanted this was to be my first DIY kit.  :thumb:
I'm going to second this. It's a learning experience!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 23 September 2013, 16:14:33
SMD with an iron is hard.  I use hot air when I can.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 23 September 2013, 18:47:04
Moz and I have pretty much everything worked out and are about ready to invoice. For SMD soldering, it will be $10 and for full assembly it will be $10. I think those prices are fair, but just let me know if you disagree!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 23 September 2013, 22:48:48
Moz and I have pretty much everything worked out and are about ready to invoice. For SMD soldering, it will be $10 and for full assembly it will be $10. I think those prices are fair, but just let me know if you disagree!
Did you ever get the quote for the LEDs?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 24 September 2013, 01:44:07
How does a man get in on this?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 24 September 2013, 04:46:04
How does a man get in on this?

Wait for regack to finish the universal layout PCB, we might host another protoype for that PCB and design.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 24 September 2013, 06:56:58
Did you ever get the quote for the LEDs?

For the purple LEDs, they are $0.58 each so $2.32 for a set of 4. The green LEDs are $0.36 each so $1.44 for a set of 4.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Tue, 24 September 2013, 08:37:01
Did you ever get the quote for the LEDs?

For the purple LEDs, they are $0.58 each so $2.32 for a set of 4. The green LEDs are $0.36 each so $1.44 for a set of 4.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-2x3x4mm-Purple-400-405nm-Water-Clear-LED-Lamp-With-Free-Resistor-234PL-amy-/321089669408?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac26f8920

$0.40 each after shipping for purple.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-2x3x4mm-Rectangle-Green-Water-Clear-LED-Light-Leds-/320999090387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abd0968d3

$0.055 each for green.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:12:25
Did you ever get the quote for the LEDs?

For the purple LEDs, they are $0.58 each so $2.32 for a set of 4. The green LEDs are $0.36 each so $1.44 for a set of 4.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-2x3x4mm-Purple-400-405nm-Water-Clear-LED-Lamp-With-Free-Resistor-234PL-amy-/321089669408?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac26f8920

$0.40 each after shipping for purple.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-2x3x4mm-Rectangle-Green-Water-Clear-LED-Light-Leds-/320999090387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abd0968d3

$0.055 each for green.

But that assumes that you want him to buy a certain quantity (10 or 100), and sell them at per unit cost. That's fine if he can sell or use the rest, but if not, he's out of pocket. Vendors are normally about making money, not losing it. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:41:54
But that assumes that you want him to buy a certain quantity (10 or 100), and sell them at per unit cost. That's fine if he can sell or use the rest, but if not, he's out of pocket. Vendors are normally about making money, not losing it. :)

I was just posting a link for cheaper LEDs... I wasn't trying to imply anything. I didn't know if it would help anyone or not, I just thought I'd show whoever might be interested.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:46:24
Well I appreciated it pixel5 ;-)

Always like to have someone else do the leg work
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:47:36
Did you ever get the quote for the LEDs?

For the purple LEDs, they are $0.58 each so $2.32 for a set of 4. The green LEDs are $0.36 each so $1.44 for a set of 4.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-2x3x4mm-Purple-400-405nm-Water-Clear-LED-Lamp-With-Free-Resistor-234PL-amy-/321089669408?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac26f8920

$0.40 each after shipping for purple.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-2x3x4mm-Rectangle-Green-Water-Clear-LED-Light-Leds-/320999090387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abd0968d3

$0.055 each for green.

But that assumes that you want him to buy a certain quantity (10 or 100), and sell them at per unit cost. That's fine if he can sell or use the rest, but if not, he's out of pocket. Vendors are normally about making money, not losing it. :)

Exactly. Only 3 people wanted purple LEDs and 1 person wanted green LEDs. I will be purchasing 4 green LEDs along with the Digikey order here. (http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/LTL-4231NLC/160-1959-ND/3198529) Since Digikey is so expensive for purple LEDs, I will be purchasing 12 purple LEDs from Ebay here. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-x-LED-3mm-UV-Purple-Ultra-Bright-Round-Top-LEDs-Light-Lamp-RC-Car-PC-T1-Mod-/161001071769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257c696499) The problem is I am purchasing small amounts so quantity and shipping is a problem.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:57:01
Well, I always say you can't have too many LED's lying around.  :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:01:38
if you buy the purple from the link pixel5 posted, you can get 20 purple in the more desirable 2x3x4 size for only about $0.50 more after combined shipping for two 10-packs. If you do this, I will buy the remaining 8 leds from you as well.

Edit: Or, I will buy them and have them shipped to you, then you can give the other two people their LEDs (free) and send me the rest. How does that sound?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:02:52
I have green 2x3x4 I can send you TFR for free.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:18:10
I have green 2x3x4 I can send you TFR for free.

There we go! I like this option much better.  :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:20:01
I have green 2x3x4 I can send you TFR for free.

There we go! I like this option much better.  :p

And I will buy the purple from china and have it shipped to you if you would like.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 24 September 2013, 12:21:51
Full 'breakaway' version updated...

Layout
Quote from: Regack
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Jr1ilK9.png)


Dimensions
Quote from: Regack
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4kFi6ug.png)


PCB Render (slotted drills aren't rendered properly)
Quote from: Regack
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/nB4gtrn.png)


agodinhost is hopefully going to take a look soon and find all my mistakes :D

Files are up for review on github : https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/GHpad







Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 24 September 2013, 12:29:43
Woohoo!


regack, can this board utilize the expansion capability of the GH60, so:
1. No separate USB connector is required
2. No controller is required.


If I remember correctly, only 20 switches could be connected? Can we use I/O expander to increase this number or something similar? My electronic knowledge is highly limited as evident.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 24 September 2013, 13:28:50
Woohoo!


regack, can this board utilize the expansion capability of the GH60, so:
1. No separate USB connector is required
2. No controller is required.


If I remember correctly, only 20 switches could be connected? Can we use I/O expander to increase this number or something similar? My electronic knowledge is highly limited as evident.

Ahh, uhh, you know, I hadn't really thought of that.  I'll have to evaluate how it would be connected.  Honestly, I haven't really paid much attention to how the expansion pads on the GH60 are supposed to function.  Is that info buried in the thread somewhere?  Otherwise I can look at the schematic again and figure out what it's doing.

---

I looked at the GH60, and I see only 4 IO pins on the expansion, which isn't going to net 20 keys.   I must be missing something, but putting an IO expander on the keypad, that's an idea.   There's an SOIC package for the MCP23018 that might fit somewhere, I'll look at it.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Tue, 24 September 2013, 13:55:44
Woohoo!


regack, can this board utilize the expansion capability of the GH60, so:
1. No separate USB connector is required
2. No controller is required.


If I remember correctly, only 20 switches could be connected? Can we use I/O expander to increase this number or something similar? My electronic knowledge is highly limited as evident.

Ahh, uhh, you know, I hadn't really thought of that.  I'll have to evaluate how it would be connected.  Honestly, I haven't really paid much attention to how the expansion pads on the GH60 are supposed to function.  Is that info buried in the thread somewhere?  Otherwise I can look at the schematic again and figure out what it's doing.

---

I looked at the GH60, and I see only 4 IO pins on the expansion, which isn't going to net 20 keys.   I must be missing something, but putting an IO expander on the keypad, that's an idea.   There's an SOIC package for the MCP23018 that might fit somewhere, I'll look at it.

I think its an extension of the row-column matrix at the top between the number switches on the GH60. Allowing the numpad to use the controller on the GH60 rather than its own.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 24 September 2013, 14:01:48

I looked at the GH60, and I see only 4 IO pins on the expansion, which isn't going to net 20 keys.   I must be missing something, but putting an IO expander on the keypad, that's an idea.   There's an SOIC package for the MCP23018 that might fit somewhere, I'll look at it.
I think its an extension of the row-column matrix at the top between the number switches on the GH60. Allowing the numpad to use the controller on the GH60 rather than its own.
Oh, I see that now, I missed those pins.  The rows are brought out to P11-15.  The the additional 4 columns would be the other 4 IO pins, although those other IO pins are all driving LEDs.  I'm not sure how that works exactly.



Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 24 September 2013, 14:23:59
I am a PCB noob, but I think I read somewhere that komar said you have to choose between using the extra I/O pins to drive leds or add more switches but that you cannot do both

Edit: I think that is what he is saying in this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg879125#msg879125)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 24 September 2013, 15:08:07
I am a PCB noob, but I think I read somewhere that komar said you have to choose between using the extra I/O pins to drive leds or add more switches but that you cannot do both

Edit: I think that is what he is saying in this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg879125#msg879125)

That would make sense and would solve the problems I was having in my head.    On that note, I've just made more work for myself as I plan around the serial expander idea in the keypad and SmallFry 40% board.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 24 September 2013, 15:49:00
I am a PCB noob, but I think I read somewhere that komar said you have to choose between using the extra I/O pins to drive leds or add more switches but that you cannot do both

Edit: I think that is what he is saying in this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg879125#msg879125)

That would make sense and would solve the problems I was having in my head.    On that note, I've just made more work for myself as I plan around the serial expander idea in the keypad and SmallFry 40% board.

Essentially you are saying we can have:
GH60 + Keypad (In 5/6 row)
40% + Keypad (In 5/6 row)
Keypad only (In 5/6 row)

And the keypad itself can have *I can't permute this, there are way too many options, have a look at the image I posted some pages ago* layouts.

Wow!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 24 September 2013, 16:12:37
I have been sitting here looking at my keyboard imagining all the different possibilities. You could also use the keypad for a future 75% board add on and utilize all 6 rows.

I also just realized, if the four columns of the keypad used all four extra I/O spots on the gh60, then you can't also control the numlock LED can you?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 September 2013, 16:30:05
I love that the renders are purple. We need to standardize on purple PCB soldermask for this and the SmallFry 40% keyboard.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 24 September 2013, 16:39:52
I love that the renders are purple. We need to standardize on purple PCB soldermask for this and the SmallFry 40% keyboard.

Agreed, and we need a keycap set for the SmallFry board.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 September 2013, 16:42:53
I love that the renders are purple. We need to standardize on purple PCB soldermask for this and the SmallFry 40% keyboard.

Agreed, and we need a keycap set for the SmallFry board.

Other than 'nathan's set'?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 24 September 2013, 17:12:52
I love that the renders are purple. We need to standardize on purple PCB soldermask for this and the SmallFry 40% keyboard.

Agreed, and we need a keycap set for the SmallFry board.

Other than 'nathan's set'?

Will it fit the SmallFry board, as long as the caps are correct, no, we don't need it. I don't know how far whoever is handling the Nathan set is with making it real.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:50:45
What is Nathan's set?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:55:17
What is Nathan's set?

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45288.0
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:55:29
What is Nathan's set?

It is going to be the first full set produced by SP with the new Cherry replica font legends. The legends will be orange polycarbonate on white. It would be awesome if the GB organizers would include keycaps designed to fit the SmallFry keyboard and possibly this keypad.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:56:14
Oh that's still going? cool.  I'll be there.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 24 September 2013, 23:40:23
It the Nathan set really happening, or is the progress just so slow it seems dorment?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 25 September 2013, 00:14:09
What is Nathan's set?

It is going to be the first full set produced by SP with the new Cherry replica font legends. The legends will be orange polycarbonate on white. It would be awesome if the GB organizers would include keycaps designed to fit the SmallFry keyboard and possibly this keypad.

I really hope this would he possible to do. There would only have to be a extra caps included.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mashby on Wed, 25 September 2013, 13:34:25
It the Nathan set really happening, or is the progress just so slow it seems dorment?

It's still ongoing. Last I heard is that they were editing a few of the remaining legends.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 25 September 2013, 13:42:31
It the Nathan set really happening, or is the progress just so slow it seems dorment?

It's still ongoing. Last I heard is that they were editing a few of the remaining legends.

I read that in the Toxic GB too.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 26 September 2013, 23:21:51
PCBs are finished and on the way from Seeedstudio! I will begin invoicing tomorrow.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 26 September 2013, 23:25:04
That was quick!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 26 September 2013, 23:36:26
That was quick!

I know right? At the price paid I expected much slower service. Shipping might take awhile though. I'll make sure to let you know when they arrive.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sun, 29 September 2013, 02:12:44
Invoices have been sent out! If you are in the first round, be sure to check your PMs.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 29 September 2013, 02:44:40
Paid!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Sun, 29 September 2013, 11:31:19
Thank you! Looking forward to putting it all together. =)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sun, 29 September 2013, 12:05:14
Paid  ;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:27:53
Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:31:02
Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)


That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:38:05
Love the matching cable

Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)


That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

Since this is the beta run, and we only have 10 total orders, we were thinking to do only one color scheme. Translucent blue top and bottom, milky (translucent) white middle portion.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:39:17
That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

I have no idea. Hopefully Moz can chime in and answer your question.

EDIT: That was fast Moz  :))
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:41:34
Love the matching cable

Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)


That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

Since this is the beta run, and we only have 10 total orders, we were thinking to do only one color scheme. Translucent blue top and bottom, milky (translucent) white middle portion.

Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:44:21
Hooray, that's the color scheme I wanted :D.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:48:52
Love the matching cable

Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)


That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

Since this is the beta run, and we only have 10 total orders, we were thinking to do only one color scheme. Translucent blue top and bottom, milky (translucent) white middle portion.

Oh ok. I'll send you a PM moz!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 17:11:56
AH darn, I was hoping for a purple case (to match my cable) or maybe black (to match my QFR). Any way this would be possible?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 01 October 2013, 20:11:43
If possible.. I'd prefer a red-white case like Raccoon's :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 01 October 2013, 20:28:29
I don't care what color the prototype case is, I just want it NAO! :))
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 01 October 2013, 21:06:52
I don't care what color the prototype case is, I just want it NAO! :))
Neither do I, but if it's possible it would be nice :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 01 October 2013, 23:43:50
Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)


Looks good.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ComradeSniper on Tue, 01 October 2013, 23:47:36
Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)


Agh why didn't I get in on this, that's awesome.

Most definitely in for round 2 of prototypes.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BliTzKiN on Wed, 02 October 2013, 00:19:22
Me too! If theres gonna be a round two of protos I would love to be a part of it!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 00:27:41
I believe there may be protos of Regack's version with the slot for attaching and detaching the pad. I'm unsure though and this is purely speculation.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 02:32:36
Fine, let's choose colors.

Trans blue (Top and bottom) and milky white (Mid body) - Moz, TFR
Red (Top and bottom) and milky white (Mid body) - Defying
Smoke (Top and bottom) and clear (Mid body) - spamray
Deep purple (Top and bottom) and milky white (Mid body) -  JDCarpe, dragonxx21, regack, CPTBadAss
Trans Green (Top and bottom) and milky white (Mid body) - olaph
Trans blue (Top and bottom) and orange (Mid body) and milky white (Mid body) - WhiskyTango
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 02:38:06
Fine let's choose colors.

Trans blue and milky white - Moz, CPT, WhiskyTango, TFR, JDCarpe
Red and milky white - Defying
Smoke and clear - spamray

Dragon, olaph, regack what colors do you want?

Are those the only options? Do you have examples for them?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 03:00:15
Examples, as in the acrylic sample colors available? Or sample of the case in those colors? Ofcourse I don't have the case in those colors.

And no they aren't the only option, it is just the colors those members have agreed to get the case in. So let me know what color combination you want, and I;ll let you know if it would be possible. The colors mentioned thus far are possible, since I will be getting some stuff cut in those colors this week, so there would be minimum or no cost overheads.

These are the colors that should be available: http://i.imgur.com/MJ5fZfj.jpg
However I would appreciate if you kept it to these colors since I will be getting stuff cut in these colors, so if you choose some other color, there might be some cost overhead: Orange, black, red, milky white, trans blue, trans green, smoke, yellow, trans yellow, clear
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 04:03:21
Whoever hasn't posted their color choice till 9 PM GMT, that is 12 hours from this post, I will get the design cut int the blue and white.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 05:04:55
Translucent blue and milky white:
[attachimg=1]

Red and milky white:
[attachimg=2]

Smoke and clear:
[attachimg=3]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 05:08:48
To me the blue looks the tastiest.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 05:21:42
Here are the other colors you can get without an increase in costs:
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 02 October 2013, 06:38:54
Please make mine black (top and bottom) and yellow (mid body). Thanks!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: pixel5 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 08:34:56
Red and Gray would look sick.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 09:06:49
Could i get dark purple and milky white? How much extra would it cost?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Wed, 02 October 2013, 09:18:37
Red / White looks nice, get me in for that. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Wed, 02 October 2013, 09:44:26
Thank you for the color options! I would like to do green (AN-362) with the white (AN-422) in the middle. =D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:26:21
Could i get dark purple and milky white? How much extra would it cost?

$5 extra (Which includes PP fess), since I would need to get a piece of 1'x4'.

And I have the deep purple you require :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:27:27
Could i get dark purple and milky white? How much extra would it cost?

$5 extra (Which includes PP fess), since I would need to get a piece of 1'x4'.

And I have the deep purple you require :D

Okay, I changed my mind again. I want this! Can I split the cost with dragonxx21? :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:30:44
Could i get dark purple and milky white? How much extra would it cost?

$5 extra (Which includes PP fess), since I would need to get a piece of 1'x4'.

And I have the deep purple you require :D

Okay, I changed my mind again. I want this! Can I split the cost with dragonxx21? :D
I am fine with this if MOZ is *high five*
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:38:39
Sure. Deep purple and milky white for you guys. NO more changing :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:39:55
Sure. Deep purple and milky white for you guys. NO more changing :P
Wait! I changed my mind! Just kidding :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mashby on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:40:58
Sure. Deep purple and milky white for you guys. NO more changing :P

For those of us that were slow on the draw, you're just rubbing salt into the wound now!

(http://i.imgur.com/TghktaI.gif)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:53:28
Haha. I updated the list.

CPTBadAss, I know you wanted blue and white, so I think yours is confirmed?
WhiskyTango, can you confirm that you are good the blue and white, cause your response was more of an okay, rather than "Yay, this is the best news I've hard all year":P
regack, still waiting for a response.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:53:51
Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)


Will this only be for the GH60 or will there also be a USB version of this at some point?

I think this is a very interesting project and am willing to help support this.  I would personally be interested in a USB version as I do not own a GH60.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:55:23
Sure. Deep purple and milky white for you guys. NO more changing :P

Can I get in on this purple deal?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:55:56
The final is going to support 4x6 as well as 4x5 (You can breakoff the bottom most row on the 4x6), and support a variety of layouts. It will be standalone as well as expandable from a GH60.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 11:56:32
Sure. Deep purple and milky white for you guys. NO more changing :P

Can I get in on this purple deal?


No.





J/King. You can.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Wed, 02 October 2013, 12:10:20
Since MOZ confirmed there is a stand alone version, I am in...  What details do you need from me?  Also, looking through the thread its totally obvious what the final cost will be.  Let me know what the best way to get involved is.  Great work so far, this is very exciting...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 02 October 2013, 12:14:10
Since MOZ confirmed there is a stand alone version, I am in...  What details do you need from me?  Also, looking through the thread its totally obvious what the final cost will be.  Let me know what the best way to get involved is.  Great work so far, this is very exciting...

Once all the details are worked out etc, I believe there will be a group buy thread posted.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 02 October 2013, 12:15:20
CPTBadAss, I know you wanted blue and white, so I think yours is confirmed?

I am going to be good and say yes, blue and white is ok. I have too much purple and pink anyways. I was going to hop on this purple train but I need to spread some love to blue.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 02 October 2013, 12:17:28

Sure. Deep purple and milky white for you guys. NO more changing :P
Can I get in on this purple deal?
No. 
:'(


J/King. You can.
;D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Wed, 02 October 2013, 12:21:12
Haha. I updated the list.

CPTBadAss, I know you wanted blue and white, so I think yours is confirmed?
WhiskyTango, can you confirm that you are good the blue and white, cause your response was more of an okay, rather than "Yay, this is the best news I've hard all year":P
regack, still waiting for a response.

Sorry, I am happy with the blue and white. I didn't want to rock the boat, but after seeing the colors in pictures, I do think that I like the blue and white the best. Although your extra color choices are tempting. Thanks!

HOLD UP, just realized you have ORANGE as an option! Can I have:

top and bottom = translucent blue
middle = orange

Please, pretty please?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 12:46:05
Yes. And we are done on the color options in time.

I should have these cut up in the next two days or so with the changes discussed with TFR.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Wed, 02 October 2013, 14:23:27
Since MOZ confirmed there is a stand alone version, I am in...  What details do you need from me?  Also, looking through the thread its totally obvious what the final cost will be.  Let me know what the best way to get involved is.  Great work so far, this is very exciting...

Once all the details are worked out etc, I believe there will be a group buy thread posted.

Ok great...  If R&D needs more funding I am willing to 'pre-order' mine so more capital is available to work with.  Looking forward to the GB for this.  :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 02 October 2013, 14:26:02
HOLD UP, just realized you have ORANGE as an option! Can I have:

top and bottom = translucent blue
middle = orange

Please, pretty please?

Are you sure?  Orange + blue = brown.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 15:35:35
Which purple?
Without flash:
[attach=1]

With flash:
[attach=2]

AN-373 is slightly translucent and my recommendation:
[attach=3]


For the other color combinations thus far:
[attach=4]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 02 October 2013, 15:42:58
Yes, definitely AN-373
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:36:48
Yes, definitely AN-373
I second this. 373 is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:37:48
WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE PM'ED THOSE SAMPLES TO THEM.

/me really wants a purple case now....he must be good and resist
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:39:12
WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE PM'ED THOSE SAMPLES TO THEM.

/me really wants a purple case now....he must be good and resist
Do it. You know you want to. Puuurpleeeee.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:41:42
I guess you could still make the switch if you like it that much, just let me know soon. :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:41:47
Moz will kill me or else I would.

Edit: I cant resist purple. Sorry to be like this Moz. Please change mine to purple as well. Thank you so much.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:43:38
Moz will kill me or else I would.

Edit: I cant resist purple. Sorry to be like this Moz. Please change mine to purple as well. Thank you so much.

You know he has hot pink to :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:45:35
He has purple. I need purple.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:48:18
He has purple. I need purple.
It looks so good. Right?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:51:18
Moz will kill me or else I would.

Edit: I cant resist purple. Sorry to be like this Moz. Please change mine to purple as well. Thank you so much.

You know he has hot pink to :P

I need to get a sample of hot pink. I can see myself becoming a millionaire selling pink and purple (I just got an idea how about, purple-pink-white-pink-purple?) cases on GH.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:52:24
Moz will kill me or else I would.

Edit: I cant resist purple. Sorry to be like this Moz. Please change mine to purple as well. Thank you so much.

You know he has hot pink to :P

I need to get a sample of hot pink. I can see myself becoming a millionaire selling pink and purple (I just got an idea how about, purple-pink-white-pink-purple?) cases on GH.

I'm actually interested in how well that'll layer. I'm unsure if hot pink and dark purple are really a match though :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:54:49
Moz will kill me or else I would.

Edit: I cant resist purple. Sorry to be like this Moz. Please change mine to purple as well. Thank you so much.

You know he has hot pink to :p

I need to get a sample of hot pink. I can see myself becoming a millionaire selling pink and purple (I just got an idea how about, purple-pink-white-pink-purple?) cases on GH.

cotton candy

[attach=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:14:14
Yes, definitely AN-373
I second this. 373 is the obvious choice.
Yes.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: madderoftime on Wed, 02 October 2013, 23:46:17
Sure. Deep purple and milky white for you guys. NO more changing :P

For those of us that were slow on the draw, you're just rubbing salt into the wound now!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TghktaI.gif)


This. Still nice work and I know it will be spot on right when done. Even with purple and hot pink as options.  ;D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sun, 06 October 2013, 09:09:34
Guess what I got in the mail today! Not the PCBs.  >:D Anyways, I appreciate everyone's patience and I will update with pics when they do arrive.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 October 2013, 10:07:49
Guess what I did today? Got the cases cut. Blue, purple and milky white acrylic look so tasty. Pictures after I get some sleep :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sun, 06 October 2013, 11:22:15
Guess what I did today? Got the cases cut. Blue, purple and milky white acrylic look so tasty. Pictures after I get some sleep :p

Hype
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 07 October 2013, 13:24:11
Blue and white case:
[attach=1]

[attach=2]

Notes:
- This post in general: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48007.msg1068449#msg1068449
- So, yeah, I am not happy with how some of the engraving turned out for the bolt holes, and in the final version, when we do it, I will replace it with the method described in the post linked above. I will have a sample for that before we get to that stage.
- Red top and bottom were virtually unusable and will be cut again, this is also described int he above post.
- Due to some technical issues, the smoke case's feet came out with misaligned engraving, sorry about that ray. I ran out of acrylic in that color, otherwise I would have worked something out.
- In the final version, I need to increase the thickness of then thin acrylic wall on either sides of the usb cutout depending on how the PCB fits the case, as it is too thin and flimsy at the moment.

EDIT: the misalignment of the feet in the image above is due to me, not having aligned the feet correctly before tightening the screws.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 07 October 2013, 13:28:44
- Due to some technical issues, the smoke case's feet came out with misaligned engraving, sorry about that ray. I ran out of acrylic in that color, otherwise I would have worked something out.

 :o

how bad is it doc?

give me the bad news, I can take it.  :'(

Also how much does the acrylic cost maybe I could buy you some more  :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 07 October 2013, 13:32:19
- Due to some technical issues, the smoke case's feet came out with misaligned engraving, sorry about that ray. I ran out of acrylic in that color, otherwise I would have worked something out.

 :o

how bad is it doc?

give me the bad news, I can take it.  :'(

Also how much does the acrylic cost maybe I could buy you some more  :p

We are taking about those small tiny 10mm diameter discs, I think you can replace them with rubber feet, rather than spend the money required for the acrylic.

Anyways I am done with the heavy engraving stuff, too much headache and not neat enough, "this isn't engraving, this is carving" - this is what my acrylic guy tells me.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 07 October 2013, 13:36:01
- Due to some technical issues, the smoke case's feet came out with misaligned engraving, sorry about that ray. I ran out of acrylic in that color, otherwise I would have worked something out.

 :o

how bad is it doc?

give me the bad news, I can take it.  :'(

Also how much does the acrylic cost maybe I could buy you some more  :p

We are taking about those small tiny 10mm diameter discs, I think you can replace them with rubber feet, rather than spend the money required for the acrylic.

Anyways I am done with the heavy engraving stuff, too much headache and not neat enough, "this isn't engraving, this is carving" - this is what my acrylic guy tells me.

Oh, I'm not really concerned with the feet, I thought you meant an issue with the case :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 07 October 2013, 14:03:18
Blue and white case:
(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)

Notes:
- This post in general: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48007.msg1068449#msg1068449
- So, yeah, I am not happy with how some of the engraving turned out for the bolt holes, and in the final version, when we do it, I will replace it with the method described in the post linked above. I will have a sample for that before we get to that stage.
- Red top and bottom were virtually unusable and will be cut again, this is also described int he above post.
- Due to some technical issues, the smoke case's feet came out with misaligned engraving, sorry about that ray. I ran out of acrylic in that color, otherwise I would have worked something out.
- In the final version, I need to increase the thickness of then thin acrylic wall on either sides of the usb cutout depending on how the PCB fits the case, as it is too thin and flimsy at the moment.

EDIT: the misalignment of the feet in the image above is due to me, not having aligned the feet correctly before tightening the screws.


That "stand" is totally going to break off.  I prefer a simple bumpon.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 07 October 2013, 14:09:08
That "stand" is totally going to break off.  I prefer a simple bumpon.
Any reason, you think it will break off. It is 5 layers of ~3mm acrylic bolted, I don't think it will break.

I any case, I have 8 of each color (So total of 16, so you can make the pattern of your choice and have extra just in case any snaps), such "feet-strips" packaged with every case.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 07 October 2013, 16:25:30
That "stand" is totally going to break off.  I prefer a simple bumpon.
Any reason, you think it will break off. It is 5 layers of ~3mm acrylic bolted, I don't think it will break.

I any case, I have 8 of each color (So total of 16, so you can make the pattern of your choice and have extra just in case any snaps), such "feet-strips" packaged with every case.

How did the purple cases turn out?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 02:35:07
Slight problem with the engraving for the holes, mainly the depth, otherwise, great.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:01:57
So MOZ you aren't gonna do anymore acrylic cases in the future?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:03:12
If I didn't, I would be proving the idiot that mailed me correct and all the curse words he used would be correctly defining me. So not, I will not stop! Take that you!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:04:18
Slight problem with the engraving for the holes, mainly the depth, otherwise, great.

Not deep enough or what?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:14:07
Yeah, not deep enough and some had some misalignment of .5mm due to the slight warpage when acrylic is cut, and I should have mentioned earlier, if you have a drill you can use a 5mm drill bit to create a bigger hole and you should be set for a much cleaner look.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:21:50
Is it possible that you could do this or did you already send the cases out? Just curious. I don't mind doing it myself.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:25:18
I've already packed these up, except the red one, which I need to get done again and correctly this time.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:26:50
I've already packed these up, except the red one, which I need to get done again and correctly this time.
:(

lol

Cases look great MOZ, excited. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:27:21
So what exactly do we have to do to fix the problem? I have a drill somewhere in my home and probably a 5mm drill bit as well.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:30:05
I've already packed these up, except the red one, which I need to get done again and correctly this time.

Ok no worries!

So what exactly do we have to do to fix the problem? I have a drill somewhere in my home and probably a 5mm drill bit as well.

The way I understand it, Moz didn't build in enough tolerance to account for the acrylic warping so the holes are misaligned. So if you try and put the layers together, they may be uneven. If you take a drill with a 5mm bit and drill out (essentially reaming out a bigger hole) through all the layers, the larger hole will have enough tolerance to allow the layers to be aligned properly.

Correct me if I'm wrong Moz ^__^
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:33:53
You wrong Cap'n. :P

The holes are aligned correctly, so the layers align well; the etched part around the holes on the top and bottom layer is not etched correctly, so the flat head screw doesn't sit in properly.

To fix this, what you need to do is take a drill or dremel with a 5mm bit, and align it so the bit's center is on the center of the screw hole and just drill through or drill half way, as that is all that is required for the screw to sit in.

And Defying, cheer up, your case would be closest to perfect :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:35:46
So in other words the flat screw needs to be countersunk and there is a slight size difference between the top of the flat screw and the hole in the acrylic.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:38:39
You wrong Cap'n. :P

The holes are aligned correctly, so the layers align well; the etched part around the holes on the top and bottom layer is not etched correctly, so the flat head screw doesn't sit in properly.

To fix this, what you need to do is take a drill or dremel with a 5mm bit, and align it so the bit's center is on the center of the screw hole and just drill through or drill half way, as that is all that is required for the screw to sit in.

And Defying, cheer up, your case would be closest to perfect :D
So will I have to do this drill mod then? :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:39:15
I can't tell exactly what's wrong. The way I'm reading it, there was flash from the etching process and we need to drill the holes out to clear it of the flash. Or there's no countersink. But anyways, I'm sure it's an easy fix.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:39:44
So in other words the flat screw needs to be countersunk and there is a slight size difference between the top of the flat screw and the hole in the acrylic.

Yes, the etching was to provide the countersinck, but it misaligned slightly and/or was not deep enough.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:44:32
So in other words the flat screw needs to be countersunk and there is a slight size difference between the top of the flat screw and the hole in the acrylic.

Yes, the etching was to provide the countersinck, but it misaligned slightly and/or was not deep enough.

so the blue case you posted above the screw tops are just slightly raised above the acrylic, is that what your saying is wrong?

[attach=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:47:00
So in other words the flat screw needs to be countersunk and there is a slight size difference between the top of the flat screw and the hole in the acrylic.

Yes, the etching was to provide the countersinck, but it misaligned slightly and/or was not deep enough.

so the blue case you posted above the screw tops are just slightly raised above the acrylic, is that what your saying is wrong?


Pretty much.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:47:42
Meh that's not anything to sweat about. These are prototypes :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:48:30
Is there a reason that a normal countersinking drill bit could not be used? In my mind, it seems it would be pretty simple to chase the hole with a countersinking bit if the screw doesn't fit quite right.

Either way, I am pumped about getting the acrylic. Thanks MOZ!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:49:23
I'm with ray, I'm not really bothered by those screws. I actually kinda like the look of exposed screw heads.

And I'm sure you could just countersink it whiskytango.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 08 October 2013, 09:51:22
So I'm confused. The problem is that the screw heads don't sit flash with the acrylic, yes? So the proposed fix is to take a 5mm still bit, center it on the hole and drill through/halfway through? If I'm understanding correctly, isn't the problem because the countersunk hole isn't deep enough? How does making the hole wider help?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MTManiac on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:00:25
I can't believe people are freaking out about the countersink not being PERFECT on a prototype
I've had professionally made equipment with elevated bolts due to the same thing and I never cried myself to sleep over it
Besides, increasing the size of the countersink at home is a very simple mod
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:05:26
Yeah, you could just countersink it whiskytango.

My ultimate goal from the beginning was to have the case ready once it was done on the laser cutter, so no other mechanical work needs to be done on it, like countersinking. If I had gone for post-laser countersinking hoels on the top and bottom, we would not have to bother about the exposed screw heads from the beginning and I might not have received the hate mail as well :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:10:04
Whoever that is was an idiot, don't worry about that bro.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:13:46
I'm not. Just going for perfection, and looks like that is what is similar between me and my hater.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:33:35
I can't believe people are freaking out about the countersink not being PERFECT on a prototype
I've had professionally made equipment with elevated bolts due to the same thing and I never cried myself to sleep over it
Besides, increasing the size of the countersink at home is a very simple mod
I don't really see anyone freaking out, or crying. I'm simply asking about the proposed fix, as I really have no idea how to do it.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:36:55
I can't believe people are freaking out about the countersink not being PERFECT on a prototype
I've had professionally made equipment with elevated bolts due to the same thing and I never cried myself to sleep over it
Besides, increasing the size of the countersink at home is a very simple mod
I don't really see anyone freaking out, or crying. I'm simply asking about the proposed fix, as I really have no idea how to do it.

His post was in reference to the hate mail I received.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:38:10
I can't believe people are freaking out about the countersink not being PERFECT on a prototype
I've had professionally made equipment with elevated bolts due to the same thing and I never cried myself to sleep over it
Besides, increasing the size of the countersink at home is a very simple mod
I don't really see anyone freaking out, or crying. I'm simply asking about the proposed fix, as I really have no idea how to do it.

His post was in reference to the hate mail I received.
Ah okay then. That clears things up.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:40:29
Anyways so Moz is cool and these cases are going to be awesome!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:43:22
Anyways so Moz is cool and these cases are going to be awesome!
Yeah, I can't wait. Thanks again Moz for the amazing cases.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:44:30
Anyways so Moz is cool and these cases are going to be awesome!

(http://i.imgur.com/nV92UzC.jpg) :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Tue, 08 October 2013, 13:33:51
Just saw the red one with screw heads exposed and I actually like it that way (as others have pointed out as well).  It adds character.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 11 October 2013, 06:59:43
Case shipped to Defying.

I was unable to ship rest of the cases to TFR as the post office near my house refused, since they are a small setup, they can't take that big a package. :(

Will send it from the larger post office tomorrow morning.

@spamray, your items will also be shipped tomorrow as I couldn't send it for the exact same reason mentioned above.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 11 October 2013, 11:07:08
So is everything starting to get shipped out?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 11 October 2013, 11:23:57
PCB were shipped out some time ago from China.

I will ship the cases tomorrow morning, and last time they reached him in 10 days, hopefully it takes as little time this time too.

We are yet to place the order on DigiKey, which would take 3 days only, so we'll be ordering that sometime later next week.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Fri, 11 October 2013, 11:33:34
.....I'm special.  ;D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 11 October 2013, 11:38:15
Yeah, Defying's case was shipped separately because, the laser guy really messed up the red, so I had to get it done again, and this time I got it done right. By this time I had packed up all the other cases ready to ship.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 11 October 2013, 13:27:27
And this is how I wanted it to look all along.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: JPG on Fri, 11 October 2013, 13:31:28
That's amazing.

Can't wait for GB!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Fri, 11 October 2013, 13:45:53
And this is how I wanted it to look all along.
This makes me happy to see that this is my case.  ;D

Really excited for this. Thanks for all the hard work and time you've put into this, MOZ! :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Fri, 11 October 2013, 14:31:17
Good news everybody! The PCBs are in New York and should be delivered soon.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 11 October 2013, 16:52:43
Nice! Sadly I don't think I'll be able to make mine for a while :< I don't know if I have an iron that can handle it at the moment, but Ill try :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: longweight on Fri, 11 October 2013, 16:55:13
This is very exciting!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 11 October 2013, 16:59:44
Nice! Sadly I don't think I'll be able to make mine for a while :< I don't know if I have an iron that can handle it at the moment, but Ill try :P

Would you like to give your spot to someone else then, someone that would build it ASAP? Just asking because the next round of universal GHPad should not be too fa behind, followed by the GB, and frankly it doesn't help the cause of prototyping, if you aren't going to be building it while prototyping. I'm sure there would be someone to pay you, what you have paid so far.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 11 October 2013, 17:12:17
Nice! Sadly I don't think I'll be able to make mine for a while :< I don't know if I have an iron that can handle it at the moment, but Ill try :P

Would you like to give your spot to someone else then, someone that would build it ASAP? Just asking because the next round of universal GHPad should not be too fa behind, followed by the GB, and frankly it doesn't help the cause of prototyping, if you aren't going to be building it while prototyping. I'm sure there would be someone to pay you, what you have paid so far.

I'd like to keep the spot. I can try my best to build it with what I have.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 11 October 2013, 17:14:36
That's the spirit!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sat, 12 October 2013, 01:07:53
Just curious, has either MOZ or TFR tested fitting plate mounted cherry/costar stabs on the acrylic case? I remember MOZ saying a while ago that you would probably have to glue them in, but I couldn't find any more info..
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 12 October 2013, 03:09:35
I have tested costar and they fit fine. I don't have any cherry stabs to test. Although for 2x stabs, they can be skipped IMHO, that being said, I would recommend PCB stabs if you have to have them.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 12 October 2013, 03:13:16
BTW item shipped to TFR.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 12 October 2013, 05:59:32
i literally cant wait to get my hands on one of these puppies
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 12 October 2013, 07:45:19
Puppy, how well described. GHPuppy.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: AlexJP on Tue, 15 October 2013, 00:29:26

very nice design and board..
Is there anyway I could participate or...

I really wish I had found this forum much earlier.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 15 October 2013, 01:13:32

very nice design and board..
Is there anyway I could participate or...

I really wish I had found this forum much earlier.
Right now we're in the prototyping phase, but once designs are finalized and they get everything settled, then they are going to run a GB.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 15 October 2013, 14:13:25
Here is a new design with newer feet, I hope you can understand what I have. Basically instead of those possibly weaker feet, I have 4 larger rectangular feet. Each layer is smaller by 1.5 mm on each side. The two larger holes on each side are for bolting to the bottom most layer on the case and the center one is to access the reset button. (I don't know how to wok 3D software to create a 3D model to explain better:()

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 15 October 2013, 15:15:09
Here is a new design with newer feet, I hope you can understand what I have. Basically instead of those possibly weaker feet, I have 4 larger rectangular feet. Each layer is smaller by 1.5 mm on each side. The two larger holes on each side are for bolting to the bottom most layer on the case and the center one is to access the reset button. (I don't know how to wok 3D software to create a 3D model to explain better:()

(Attachment Link)

So the foot is now shaped like a stepped pyramid, getting progressively smaller over 4 layers as it moves away from the bottom of the case.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 15 October 2013, 15:16:01
Here is a new design with newer feet, I hope you can understand what I have. Basically instead of those possibly weaker feet, I have 4 larger rectangular feet. Each layer is smaller by 1.5 mm on each side. The two larger holes on each side are for bolting to the bottom most layer on the case and the center one is to access the reset button. (I don't know how to wok 3D software to create a 3D model to explain better:()

(Attachment Link)

So the foot is now shaped like a stepped pyramid, getting progressively smaller over 4 layers as it moves away from the bottom of the case.



Something like that
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 15 October 2013, 18:36:14
Guess what came in the mail?
(http://i.imgur.com/afuyG9b.jpg)
Thank you Ray for donating the LEDs!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 15 October 2013, 19:46:17
Cool. The standoffs came in good time!

And are those all flat LEDs? or rounded?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 15 October 2013, 20:13:11
Cool. The standoffs came in good time!

And are those all flat LEDs? or rounded?

Yes, all the LEDs are 3mm round. The standoffs came in good time, now to hope the PCBs come soon!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 15 October 2013, 20:29:23
I went ahead and got round because flats from China were delayed, didn't wasn't to hold up progress!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 15 October 2013, 20:30:58
Thanks ray!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 15 October 2013, 20:35:52
I went ahead and got round because flats from China were delayed, didn't wasn't to hold up progress!

Thanks again Ray! I might have to make a rainbow Function row with the leftover LEDs.  :))
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 16 October 2013, 21:17:48
Guess what finally came in the mail?
(http://i.imgur.com/PDKmcFJ.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/jO1W2ji.jpg?1)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Wed, 16 October 2013, 21:18:18
Guess what finally came in the mail?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PDKmcFJ.jpg?1)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jO1W2ji.jpg?1)

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Excitement!!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 16 October 2013, 21:19:01
Guess what finally came in the mail?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PDKmcFJ.jpg?1)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jO1W2ji.jpg?1)

It's like Christmas in October!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 16 October 2013, 22:52:15
Can't wait, been wanting a numpad for a while
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 17 October 2013, 05:01:18
Wooohooooo
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 17 October 2013, 13:31:06
Aww, it looks so plain and unassuming... it needs more holes and stuff... like this one:

[attach=1]

- 1.27mm headers on left-board edge for ROWS, COLUMNS, Vcc, Gnd and FN/NumLock LED control line (silkscreen on back)
- Adjusted spacing of 'breakway' drills - it's still hardly breakaway, you'll really need to cut it or score it a lot or something
- geekhack silkscreen
- I think I did something else, but I forget what it was

*still need to fix pad interference in the lower left there on S5 and S21... I keep forgetting about that
*might ditch that one mounting slot on the left, I just left it for alignment vs other boards
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 17 October 2013, 14:07:55
Nice regack. Did you add the I/O expander so we can it hook with the GH60 or something of that kind?

Regaridng the mounting slot, we do need someway for PCB-mounted GHPad, there would be some users that prefer them over plate mounted.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 17 October 2013, 14:18:56
Nice regack. Did you add the I/O expander so we can it with the 60% or something of that kind?

Regaridng the mounting slot, we do need someway for PCB-mounted GHPad, there would be some users that prefer them over plate mounted.

I haven't tried working with the IO expander yet.  Getting that to work will probably be interesting.

I'll add some nicely spaced mounting holes around, but I don't know if we need that slot on the board-edge.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 17 October 2013, 14:22:47
Aww, it looks so plain and unassuming... it needs more holes and stuff... like this one:

(Attachment Link)

- 1.27mm headers on left-board edge for ROWS, COLUMNS, Vcc, Gnd and FN/NumLock LED control line (silkscreen on back)
- Adjusted spacing of 'breakway' drills - it's still hardly breakaway, you'll really need to cut it or score it a lot or something
- geekhack silkscreen
- I think I did something else, but I forget what it was

*still need to fix pad interference in the lower left there on S5 and S21... I keep forgetting about that
*might ditch that one mounting slot on the left, I just left it for alignment vs other boards

that is beautiful
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 17 October 2013, 14:27:37
Awesome job, as always. I would just get rid of the slotted hole on the left and put 4 mounting holes in the obvious locations. And S5 and S21 may just need to be rotated 180-degrees.

Looks like a winner!

:cool:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 19 October 2013, 19:46:38
So what's left before everything starts getting shipped out?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 19 October 2013, 19:47:42
The cases, they've been sent to TFR on the 12th.

We'll place the DigiKey order mot likly in a day or two.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 19 October 2013, 21:08:14
Can't wait
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Sat, 19 October 2013, 21:52:20
Not to put the cart before the horse here, but I am interested in what type of timeframe you guys expect things to happen in.  I am assuming that if all goes to plan there would be a GB for these starting sometime in like March or April of 2014?  Then it would probably take another 4-6 months for us to actually have them in hand?  Does that seem about right or am I being too optimistic?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 20 October 2013, 04:11:17
I certainly hope it takes less than that.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Sun, 20 October 2013, 08:33:34
I certainly hope it takes less than that.

That would be great. I know this stuff usually takes a little longer then expected, but glad to hear that we expect things to happen a little quicker.

Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 22 October 2013, 10:43:10
Cool. The standoffs came in good time!

And are those all flat LEDs? or rounded?

Just received the flat green and purple LEDs from Ray. So anyone who wanted flat LEDs can get them. Big thanks to Ray!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 22 October 2013, 10:48:46
If you have 4 purple flat LED for me, I will take some.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 22 October 2013, 10:50:42
Lookin' forward to getting mine!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: JPG on Tue, 22 October 2013, 10:52:11
You better all post you pads when you get them! They look super interesting!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 22 October 2013, 11:09:28
Photekq, we need information on your mystery case. :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 22 October 2013, 11:11:12
Photekq, we need information on your mystery case. :P
I'm going caseless, baby! I mainly want this to practice SMD soldering, and I don't use my numpad too much so it'll do fine without a case. There are no numpad case plans atm but it's something I'd definitely like sometime in the future.

I didn't get an acrylic one from you because I could only just afford the PCB itself. I also hate acrylic as a material :))
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 22 October 2013, 11:19:21
i cant wait for this

good times a comin
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 22 October 2013, 11:26:05
If you have 4 purple flat LED for me, I will take some.

Yes, everyone please let me know what LEDs you would like if you want them. There are 20 flat purple, 4 flat green, 20 white round, 20 red round, 20 blue round, 20 yellow round, 20 green round, and 20 purple round. You can thank Ray for them.  :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 22 October 2013, 11:27:46
If you have 4 purple flat LED for me, I will take some.

Yes, everyone please let me know what LEDs you would like if you want them. There are 20 flat purple, 4 flat green, 20 white round, 20 red round, 20 blue round, 20 yellow round, 20 green round, and 20 purple round. You can thank Ray for them.  :thumb:

Thanks, Ray! :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 22 October 2013, 12:07:42
Is it too late to get LED's? :o

If it's not, I'll take 4 purple's and if not, 4 white rounds. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 22 October 2013, 12:09:17
Is it too late to get LED's? :o

If it's not, I'll take 4 purple's and if not, 4 white rounds. :)

You can still get LEDs! Would you like round or flat for purple?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 22 October 2013, 12:09:28
I'll take the max number of flat purple LEDs I'll need for the build. Thanks ray and TheFlyingRaccoon!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 22 October 2013, 12:10:08
Is it too late to get LED's? :o

If it's not, I'll take 4 purple's and if not, 4 white rounds. :)

You can still get LEDs! Would you like round or flat for purple?
Err, flat if possible. :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 22 October 2013, 12:13:21
I also hate acrylic as a material :))
I know, that is why I was expecting to see a TEK-20 :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 22 October 2013, 12:14:19
I know, that is why I was expecting to see a TEK-20 :D
Watch this space (in maybe 6months-1year or something) :))
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 22 October 2013, 12:29:28
Is it too late to get LED's? :o

If it's not, I'll take 4 purple's and if not, 4 white rounds. :)

You can still get LEDs! Would you like round or flat for purple?
Err, flat if possible. :D

Sure thing! Everyone else- let me know what LEDs you want before they're all gone.  :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 22 October 2013, 14:10:52
I'll take the flat green ones.

And HUGE thanks to Ray! and to TFR and MOZ and regack! you guys rock
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: lcs on Tue, 22 October 2013, 14:13:00
Can I have white leds TFR?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 22 October 2013, 15:21:06
I'll take the flat green ones.

And HUGE thanks to Ray! and to TFR and MOZ and regack! you guys rock

Aww thank you.  :-* Put you down for the green flat LEDs.

Can I have white leds TFR?

Yessir!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 22 October 2013, 16:32:45
Is it too late to get LED's? :o

If it's not, I'll take 4 purple's and if not, 4 white rounds. :)

You can still get LEDs! Would you like round or flat for purple?
Err, flat if possible. :D

Sure thing! Everyone else- let me know what LEDs you want before they're all gone.  :p
I really hope you kept some purple LEDs for me! I'd like flat :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 22 October 2013, 17:28:53
I really hope you kept some purple LEDs for me! I'd like flat :D

Yes I did! You get the last 4 flat purple ones.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 22 October 2013, 17:59:27
I really hope you kept some purple LEDs for me! I'd like flat :D

Yes I did! You get the last 4 flat purple ones.
Sweet :D Thanks again to Ray for for being a great guy and providing us with all these LED choices!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Wed, 23 October 2013, 22:23:10
I would like green LEDs if possible.. If not, any color will do. =) Thank you.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 23 October 2013, 22:24:58
Can regular cyndrical LEDs work?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 23 October 2013, 22:33:38
Can regular cyndrical LEDs work?

Yes both round and flat will work, some people just prefer the flat led's and sometimes especially with cherry profile caps you might have a slight amount of contact between the keycap and round led, I believe it depends on the specific cap and installation.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Loligagger on Fri, 25 October 2013, 19:24:54
Any progress with an IO expander in order to hook this up as a daughterboard to the GH60? Should I just ask again after the GH60s have shipped?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 October 2013, 20:30:53
Any progress with an IO expander in order to hook this up as a daughterboard to the GH60? Should I just ask again after the GH60s have shipped?

There will definitely be that feature in the final version. Just not in these prototypes.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 25 October 2013, 20:43:47
Any progress with an IO expander in order to hook this up as a daughterboard to the GH60? Should I just ask again after the GH60s have shipped?

There will definitely be that feature in the final version. Just not in these prototypes.

Yes, as jdcarpe has said, the current iteration undergoing scrutiny has an option for the MCP23018 serial IO expander...

(http://i.imgur.com/SgYKEj2.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 October 2013, 21:01:38
Seeing that PCB render reminds me, DO NOT HAVE ANY PCB MADE BY OSHPARK THAT HAVE OVERLAPPING DRILL HOLES. I think their fan compensates for it by using a smaller drill bit. Don't make the same mistake I made. I probably just wasted a bunch of money.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Fri, 25 October 2013, 21:06:13
Seeing that PCB render reminds me, DO NOT HAVE ANY PCB MADE BY OSHPARK THAT HAVE OVERLAPPING DRILL HOLES. I think their fan compensates for it by using a smaller drill bit. Don't make the same mistake I made. I probably just wasted a bunch of money.

you probably can't file them out on a pcb either.  it might be worth it to try with one?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 25 October 2013, 21:07:36
Seeing that PCB render reminds me, DO NOT HAVE ANY PCB MADE BY OSHPARK THAT HAVE OVERLAPPING DRILL HOLES. I think their fan compensates for it by using a smaller drill bit. Don't make the same mistake I made. I probably just wasted a bunch of money.

Hmm, I'll have to take some measurements, I had some little test boards printed up from them to test for the overlapping drills, since they don't easily support slotted holes.  The test boards seemed to come out ok.  Thanks for the heads up.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Loligagger on Fri, 25 October 2013, 21:10:01
There will definitely be that feature in the final version. Just not in these prototypes.

Yes, as jdcarpe has said, the current iteration undergoing scrutiny has an option for the MCP23018 serial IO expander...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/SgYKEj2.png)


Sounds good. Would it need those expansion module pins on the GH60?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 25 October 2013, 21:10:36
I'm not understanding why you need those long drill holes for the mount screws.  This is a new, from scratch board.  You can put the standoffs anywhere you want.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 October 2013, 21:14:30
Seeing that PCB render reminds me, DO NOT HAVE ANY PCB MADE BY OSHPARK THAT HAVE OVERLAPPING DRILL HOLES. I think their fan compensates for it by using a smaller drill bit. Don't make the same mistake I made. I probably just wasted a bunch of money.

you probably can't file them out on a pcb either.  it might be worth it to try with one?

I was actually going to try and drill them out myself, but there are also some places where solder pads are completely missing, as well as a trace. And this is on the SMD diode pad and switch pin hole. :(

It's like that on all three boards, so something got screwed up somewhere.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 25 October 2013, 21:21:16
I'm not understanding why you need those long drill holes for the mount screws.  This is a new, from scratch board.  You can put the standoffs anywhere you want.

True. Does allow for some error, but not much :D

Anyway, I was just copying what others have done and figure there's a reason for it.  I noticed they seem to be on my Pure pcb.  Didn't seem to hurt, so I've just kept them.


I was actually going to try and drill them out myself, but there are also some places where solder pads are completely missing, as well as a trace. And this is on the SMD diode pad and switch pin hole. :(

It's like that on all three boards, so something got screwed up somewhere.

That's disappointing.  This is what I got back with my little testers.

(http://i.imgur.com/vYM9Twf.png?1)

The slot and the hole came out ok.  Also the 3 overlapping drills on the USB.  Measurements with the caliper show it as pretty much bang on.

I wish the board edges were cut clean though, instead of those annoying little partially broken tabs.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 26 October 2013, 16:22:29
Parts from Digikey have arrived! Just waiting on the cases from Moz then I can begin packing up orders.  :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 26 October 2013, 16:25:50
Parts from Digikey have arrived! Just waiting on the cases from Moz then I can begin packing up orders.  :thumb:
Can I get my caseless one sooner? :-* :-*
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sat, 26 October 2013, 16:26:24
Parts from Digikey have arrived! Just waiting on the cases from Moz then I can begin packing up orders.  :thumb:
Awesome. I'm still waiting on my case too. :)

I just remembered I still need to get a new soldering tip..
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 26 October 2013, 16:42:50
Haha so much hype :P I am going ahead and buying a higher quality iron just for this build!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 26 October 2013, 17:35:54
Parts from Digikey have arrived! Just waiting on the cases from Moz then I can begin packing up orders.  :thumb:
Can I get my caseless one sooner? :-* :-*

Sure! I can get it packaged and shipped this weekend hopefully. You'll still have to wait longer for shipping though since your in the UK  :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 26 October 2013, 17:37:41
Sure! I can get it packaged and shipped this weekend hopefully. You'll still have to wait longer for shipping though since your in the UK  :p
Awesome! Thanks man, I honestly can't wait to build it with my new iron.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 26 October 2013, 19:19:43
I think it is we can start shipping out orders to other members who will get their case directly, ie:
- Mashby
- Photekq
- lcs
- BunnyLake
- SpamRay
- Defying

I can't remember how long it took for the package to arrive last time, but for some reason the status has not been updated online this time round. This can happen, I've had packages come to me and go from me, with the online status still stuck at some early stage. I did head to the post office yesterday and they said the package was not with them and had been dispatched the same day as I had given it to them.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sun, 27 October 2013, 13:30:05
Tracking finally updated for the case.
(http://puu.sh/517Ph.png)
I assume it will be here tomorrow.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 27 October 2013, 18:59:24
Looks like USPS had a field day after they were asleep for two weeks. Finally updated the status for not only Defying's order but also the one going to TFR: https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?qtc_tLabels1=RD270024993IN
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 27 October 2013, 19:27:44
Tracking finally updated for the case.
Show Image
(http://puu.sh/517Ph.png)

I assume it will be here tomorrow.

Its weird it sat in NY customs for almost two weeks.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sun, 27 October 2013, 19:29:04
Tracking finally updated for the case.
Show Image
(http://puu.sh/517Ph.png)

I assume it will be here tomorrow.

Its weird it sat in NY customs for almost two weeks.
I feel like it was moving across the US... but it took two weeks for the tracking to update.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 27 October 2013, 19:33:07
Tracking finally updated for the case.
Show Image
(http://puu.sh/517Ph.png)

I assume it will be here tomorrow.

Its weird it sat in NY customs for almost two weeks.

Yeah, something like this happened with something I sent to JDCarpe, it was in customs for 2 weeks, and in the same time, I sent Glod something and it reached him in 5 days from my place to his.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Sun, 27 October 2013, 20:42:21
Tracking finally updated for the case.
Show Image
(http://puu.sh/517Ph.png)

I assume it will be here tomorrow.

Its weird it sat in NY customs for almost two weeks.

Yeah, something like this happened with something I sent to JDCarpe, it was in customs for 2 weeks, and in the same time, I sent Glod something and it reached him in 5 days from my place to his.

I ship all over the world and some routes just take forever.  I had an express shipment to South Africa take well over a month.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 27 October 2013, 20:51:07
I find that incoming packages usually go through Customs in San Francisco and Chicago faster than New York. If your shipment ends up in NY Customs, count on a week or two before it starts moving again.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 27 October 2013, 21:30:48
I find that incoming packages usually go through Customs in San Francisco and Chicago faster than New York. If your shipment ends up in NY Customs, count on a week or two before it starts moving again.

This makes sense.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 28 October 2013, 00:16:29
So how much will a GHPad cost in total without switches?

This thread is quite long and the OP hasn't changed at all
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 00:37:26
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1049952#msg1049952
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 28 October 2013, 06:43:28
http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=post;quote=1049952;topic=38963.300;last_msg=1092746

You broke the GeekHack :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 10:15:21
Fixed.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 28 October 2013, 11:42:05
So how much will a GHPad cost in total without switches?

This thread is quite long and the OP hasn't changed at all

GHpad is going to be super cheap.  No reason not to get one.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Mon, 28 October 2013, 13:17:43
So how much will a GHPad cost in total without switches?

This thread is quite long and the OP hasn't changed at all

GHpad is going to be super cheap.  No reason not to get one.

I am so excited about this. Can't wait!!! 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 28 October 2013, 13:19:04
I'm so hyped for making this. Gonna load it up with 55g Nixdorf blacks.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 13:38:19
Well there was another tracking update, so the cases should be TFR this week.

I'll be sending out the other 3 cases directly in a day or two myself.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: AlexJP on Mon, 28 October 2013, 14:48:26
Sweet!

So, this is the debugging and test phase I guess?

very excited for this one   :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 28 October 2013, 14:55:18
So how much will a GHPad cost in total without switches?

This thread is quite long and the OP hasn't changed at all

GHpad is going to be super cheap.  No reason not to get one.

Guess I can afford this and your 31 key pad
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 28 October 2013, 15:03:34
My case is out for delivery. :D

Will post pics when it's here, which should be in the next hour.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:10:37
Got the case and I have no idea how to assemble it.  ;D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:15:10
Got the case and I have no idea how to assemble it.  ;D

Well you put all the layers together then put the screws through. Here is the order of the layer.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1046650#msg1046650
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:38:36
Got the case and I have no idea how to assemble it.  ;D

Well you put all the layers together then put the screws through. Here is the order of the layer.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1046650#msg1046650
I have the top part of the case screwed properly, but for the bottom, I have no idea. There's these small screws that don't thread to anything and don't go all the way through, then there's longer screws that are way too long that go through the whole case and more, and then these hex bolts that fall through the hole and don't hold the top layer on. I'm confused  :confused:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:48:08
The hex bolts were extra, just in case you wan tot use those, you did get washers right?

To assemble, do you have brass standoffs? I don't think so, TFR has to ship them to you, only then will you be able to assemble.

I might put a small tutorial on how to put these together.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:53:53
The hex bolts were extra, just in case you wan tot use those, you did get washers right?

To assemble, do you have brass standoffs? I don't think so, TFR has to ship them to you, only then will you be able to assemble.

I might put a small tutorial on how to put these together.

When I get the cases, I can make a video or picture guide on how to assemble them.
For shipping, I still need to figure out how to ship everything. The case shouldn't be difficult, I'm mostly worried about how to pack the electronic components. Also I'm not sure about the box. I was thinking maybe the small Flat Rate boxes? They are $5.15 to ship within the US. Dimensions are 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8". Not sure if that would fit everything though.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:54:48
The hex bolts were extra, just in case you wan tot use those, you did get washers right?

To assemble, do you have brass standoffs? I don't think so, TFR has to ship them to you, only then will you be able to assemble.

I might put a small tutorial on how to put these together.
These are all the types of screws that it came with:
(http://i.imgur.com/Jr26jrr.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:57:36
Check again, there must be 3 different flat head screws.

Edit: Since in your case, I got the holes cut larger than everyone else's, I forgot to include the washers. Sorry. Anyway, you want to use the flatheads.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:58:50
These are all the types of screws that it came with:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Jr26jrr.jpg)


You are missing the brass standoffs that I will send you with the other components and PCB. They look like this:
(http://orzparts.com/images/10mm%20brass%20standoff%20spacer%20M3%20female%20x%20M3%20female.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:59:36
Check again, there must be 3 different flat head screws.
There's only two types.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 18:11:15
Alright, it's 4:30 in the morning here so my brain isn't exactly working at pace, but yeah I just recalled there should ONLY be TWO types of flat head screws, you should have quite a number of those small flatheads, they are 6mm. And the longer ones are 20mm.

So what you do is, once you get the brass stand offs, you insert them into the hex cutout in the the 3 middle layers, then take a 6mm flat head and screw from the top and bottom layers, remember you don't want to go all the way from either the top or the bottom, as then there wouldn't be enough "space" in the brass stand off for the other scre.

See this graphic:
(http://i.imgur.com/Z324qud.png)

Red --> Brass standoffs
Blue --> 20mm flat head screws
Green --> 6mm fat head screws
Black --> Acrylic layer.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 28 October 2013, 18:15:05
Alright, it's 4:30 in the morning here so my brain isn't exactly working at pace, but yeah I just recalled there should ONLY be TWO types of flat head screws, you should have quite a number of those small flatheads, they are 6mm. And the longer ones are 20mm.

So what you do is, once you get the brass stand offs, you insert them into the hex cutout in the the 3 middle layers, then take a 6mm flat head and screw from the top and bottom layers, remember you don't want to go all the way from either the top or the bottom, as then there wouldn't be enough "space" in the brass stand off for the other scre.

See this graphic:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Z324qud.png)


Red --> Brass standoffs
Blue --> 20mm flat head screws
Green --> 6mm fat head screws
Black --> Acrylic layer.
Cool. Was hoping that it was something simple. :)

Really love this case, MOZ! Now I just need everything else to finish it :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 28 October 2013, 21:07:33
ughhh now I really can't wait for mine P:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 28 October 2013, 22:13:02
So who do I contact to get these wounderful numpads?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 22:19:37
Please read the thread.

We are currently beta testing, this is far from complete. The next stage is to test new PCBs, only after that will we move to GB stage.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 28 October 2013, 22:23:15
Please read the thread.

We are currently beta testing, this is far from complete. The next stage is to test new PCBs, only after that will we move to GB stage.

Ah I see. I'll wait for the GB stage. jdcarpe should update the OP with a bit of information
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 30 October 2013, 18:23:21
Looks like the cases were delivered to TFR according to the USPS tracking.

Hopefully we can get some shots soon and distributed to everyone.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 30 October 2013, 18:48:00
Looks like the cases were delivered to TFR according to the USPS tracking.

Hopefully we can get some shots soon and distributed to everyone.

Yes cases were just delivered! I should be studying but I can't help myself.  :rolleyes: I will have to repackage most of the stuff to ship but I will try to get everything packaged and shipped ASAP.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: AlexJP on Wed, 30 October 2013, 19:04:38
pictures?   ;D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sun, 03 November 2013, 12:50:41
Here are some pictures of the case and an assembly guide
(http://i.imgur.com/IEsReUM.jpg)
Everything included for the case. Most of it you will not use.
(http://i.imgur.com/lixTHfq.jpg)
Step 1: Assemble the three middle layers and insert the brass standoffs so they are in the middle.
(http://i.imgur.com/khnpLvE.jpg)
Step 2: Put on the plate and screw in the short flat-head bolts. DO NOT TIGHTEN THESE
(No picture)
Step 3: Put on the back cover. Screw in the bottom two short flat-head bolts. Make sure these are tight.
(http://i.imgur.com/FOYju5v.jpg)
Step 4: Assemble the feet. I found 5 layers has the best angle for me. Use the longer flat-head bolts. Make sure these are tight.
(http://i.imgur.com/Y3pOeTG.jpg)
Done!

Alternate method
Instead of using the acrylic feet, you can use rubber thingies.
(http://i.imgur.com/g2pBAos.jpg)
Pic of it assembled
(http://i.imgur.com/6jdxe1f.jpg)

Also, I am packing up all the orders today and should have everything shipped out today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 03 November 2013, 14:10:52
Man, that's awesome.  Congrats!  :cool:
I much prefer the one with the rubber feet things.

BLUUUUUUUUE!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sun, 03 November 2013, 14:24:25
Those rubber thingies look really cool actually. Where did you pick them up TFR?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 03 November 2013, 14:39:36
You can get 'em anywhere.  Google "bumpon"
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sun, 03 November 2013, 14:51:16
Man, that's awesome.  Congrats!  :cool:
I much prefer the one with the rubber feet things.

BLUUUUUUUUE!

Yeah the blue looks awesome! Moz did a really good job with the cases. And I agree, I like the rubber feet much better.

Those rubber thingies look really cool actually. Where did you pick them up TFR?

What metalliqaz said  :D

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 03 November 2013, 15:02:29
Here are some pictures of the case and an assembly guide
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IEsReUM.jpg)

Everything included for the case. Most of it you will not use.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/lixTHfq.jpg)

Step 1: Assemble the three middle layers and insert the brass standoffs so they are in the middle.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/khnpLvE.jpg)

Step 2: Put on the plate and screw in the short flat-head bolts. DO NOT TIGHTEN THESE
(No picture)
Step 3: Put on the back cover. Screw in the bottom two short flat-head bolts. Make sure these are tight.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/FOYju5v.jpg)

Step 4: Assemble the feet. I found 5 layers has the best angle for me. Use the longer flat-head bolts. Make sure these are tight.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Y3pOeTG.jpg)

Done!

Alternate method
Instead of using the acrylic feet, you can use rubber thingies.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/g2pBAos.jpg)

Pic of it assembled
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/6jdxe1f.jpg)


Also, I am packing up all the orders today and should have everything shipped out today or tomorrow.

I counted 22 keys. Don't normal 10 key pads have 17 keys? It seems like there's an extra row
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 03 November 2013, 15:09:55

It's not just a number pad.

See one with key caps here

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1060274.msg#1060274
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: catnipz0098 on Sun, 03 November 2013, 15:12:47
Very Nice!

I want one  :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: AlexJP on Sun, 03 November 2013, 15:54:54
so much win! very nice
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 04 November 2013, 17:24:55
How remappable are these keys? IE can I change the location of the numlock key and change what pressing numlock changes to the keys?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 04 November 2013, 17:30:54
How remappable are these keys? IE can I change the location of the numlock key and change what pressing numlock changes to the keys?

Completely programmable.  Keep in mind that how NumLock is interpreted is determined by the PC, not the keyboard.
If you want to change the meaning of the keys, you change NumLock to some kind of Fn toggle.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:05:20
(http://i.imgur.com/6xEkpng.jpg)
All orders with the cases are going out in the mail tomorrow! Just need boxes for the orders without cases then they will be shipped.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:05:46
I SEE MY BOX <3
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:13:46
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/6xEkpng.jpg)

All orders with the cases are going out in the mail tomorrow! Just need boxes for the orders without cases then they will be shipped.

Dam when is this going into GB stage?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:15:26
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/6xEkpng.jpg)

All orders with the cases are going out in the mail tomorrow! Just need boxes for the orders without cases then they will be shipped.

Dam when is this going into GB stage?

No idea. This was just the beta, there is going to be a groupbuy with the universal layout PCB regack designed.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:19:25
woot!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:21:10
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All orders with the cases are going out in the mail tomorrow! Just need boxes for the orders without cases then they will be shipped.

Dam when is this going into GB stage?

No idea. This was just the beta, there is going to be a groupbuy with the universal layout PCB regack designed.

When it does, do you know how much it will cost? Don't want to get overly invested and then my wallet can't keep up
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:22:46
I never would have guessed that I would be a top and CPTDatAss would be a bottom. You learn something new every day.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Mon, 04 November 2013, 22:25:28
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All orders with the cases are going out in the mail tomorrow! Just need boxes for the orders without cases then they will be shipped.

Dam when is this going into GB stage?

No idea. This was just the beta, there is going to be a groupbuy with the universal layout PCB regack designed.

When it does, do you know how much it will cost? Don't want to get overly invested and then my wallet can't keep up

I am too lazy to go looking for it, but I read somewhere in this thread that the approximate cost will be about $45, but I am not sure if that included a case and switches and stuff.  It is in the thread if you feel like looking for it.  Probably around page 18 or so...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 04 November 2013, 22:45:41
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All orders with the cases are going out in the mail tomorrow! Just need boxes for the orders without cases then they will be shipped.

Dam when is this going into GB stage?

No idea. This was just the beta, there is going to be a groupbuy with the universal layout PCB regack designed.

When it does, do you know how much it will cost? Don't want to get overly invested and then my wallet can't keep up

I am too lazy to go looking for it, but I read somewhere in this thread that the approximate cost will be about $45, but I am not sure if that included a case and switches and stuff.  It is in the thread if you feel like looking for it.  Probably around page 18 or so...

That was the price we figured out just to get the parts for the 10 prototype testers. Not to mention, in reality, the amount spent was far higher than the anticipated and TFR actually ended up losing quite a lot of money. The estimated cost is subject to change and in a GB setting it depends wildly on the amount of interest and the discount achieved through bulk ordering.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Mon, 04 November 2013, 22:50:56
That was the price we figured out just to get the parts for the 10 prototype testers. Not to mention, in reality, the amount spent was far higher than the anticipated and TFR actually ended up losing quite a lot of money. The estimated cost is subject to change and in a GB setting it depends wildly on the amount of interest and the discount achieved through bulk ordering.

Ya, we will see what the pricing works out to.  I think it will remain reasonable and it is going to be kick ass, so can't wait...  :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 04 November 2013, 22:52:45
That was the price we figured out just to get the parts for the 10 prototype testers. Not to mention, in reality, the amount spent was far higher than the anticipated and TFR actually ended up losing quite a lot of money. The estimated cost is subject to change and in a GB setting it depends wildly on the amount of interest and the discount achieved through bulk ordering.

Ya, we will see what the pricing works out to.  I think it will remain reasonable and it is going to be kick ass, so can't wait...  :)
Even for upwards of $60 I believe it would be a fair price, considering what the final product will be able to do.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: neoezekiel on Tue, 05 November 2013, 16:31:44
Any clue when this will be up for GB? I am so excited :3
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 05 November 2013, 16:33:14
That was the price we figured out just to get the parts for the 10 prototype testers. Not to mention, in reality, the amount spent was far higher than the anticipated and TFR actually ended up losing quite a lot of money. The estimated cost is subject to change and in a GB setting it depends wildly on the amount of interest and the discount achieved through bulk ordering.

Ya, we will see what the pricing works out to.  I think it will remain reasonable and it is going to be kick ass, so can't wait...  :)
Even for upwards of $60 I believe it would be a fair price, considering what the final product will be able to do.

$60 without switches, stabs, and caps? So just the PCB+case?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 05 November 2013, 16:34:37
That was the price we figured out just to get the parts for the 10 prototype testers. Not to mention, in reality, the amount spent was far higher than the anticipated and TFR actually ended up losing quite a lot of money. The estimated cost is subject to change and in a GB setting it depends wildly on the amount of interest and the discount achieved through bulk ordering.

Ya, we will see what the pricing works out to.  I think it will remain reasonable and it is going to be kick ass, so can't wait...  :)
Even for upwards of $60 I believe it would be a fair price, considering what the final product will be able to do.

$60 without switches, stabs, and caps? So just the PCB+case?

Nobody knows yet what this will cost. The best thing to do is save your money and wait until the group buy happens.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 05 November 2013, 16:42:00
Based on my experiences with this stuff, I would expect the PCB to be under $10, fully assembled assuming a big GB, and the acrylic sandwich case being under $40.  Low interest could expand those numbers by 2x, but I have a feeling that wouldn't happen given the popularity of the GH60.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 06 November 2013, 08:25:22
I never would have guessed that I would be a top and CPTDatAss would be a bottom. You learn something new every day.

Sometimes I don't want to be big spoon.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Mine on Wed, 06 November 2013, 10:56:34
I have a question . how to make firmware, I will make a PCB,but no have .hex file
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 06 November 2013, 17:57:00
All packages are shipped! Please let me know if you receive your package and I forgot to include something. Thanks.  :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Wed, 06 November 2013, 17:59:42
All packages are shipped! Please let me know if you receive your package and I forgot to include something. Thanks.  :D
Will be looking for it :D thanks TFR. Can't wait for it!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 06 November 2013, 18:01:17
Any sort of definite list of what we should be expecting in the package?
Case
LEDs
Switches (if purchased from MOZ)
Diodes
PCB

That's all I can get off the top of my head.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 06 November 2013, 19:18:22
Any sort of definite list of what we should be expecting in the package?
Case
LEDs
Switches (if purchased from MOZ)
Diodes
PCB

That's all I can get off the top of my head.


love
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 06 November 2013, 22:37:59
Any sort of definite list of what we should be expecting in the package?
Case
LEDs
Switches (if purchased from MOZ)
Diodes
PCB

That's all I can get off the top of my head.


love

Yes it comes with love, but also a few other important things.  :p
(http://i.imgur.com/SjJStvI.jpg)
From left to right, top to bottom.
-Bag of 22 blue switches
-Bag of resistors and capacitors, each individually bagged and labeled with their part number
-Bag of other parts including diodes, usb connector, microcontroller, button, and crystal
-Bag of 5 brass standoffs
-Bag of 4 LEDs
-PCB wrapped in foam
(Not pictured) Acrylic case if Moz didn't send yours directly
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 06 November 2013, 22:42:36
Any sort of definite list of what we should be expecting in the package?
Case
LEDs
Switches (if purchased from MOZ)
Diodes
PCB

That's all I can get off the top of my head.


love

Yes it comes with love, but also a few other important things.  :p
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/SjJStvI.jpg)

From left to right, top to bottom.
-Bag of 22 blue switches
-Bag of resistors and capacitors, each individually bagged and labeled with their part number
-Bag of other parts including diodes, usb connector, microcontroller, button, and crystal
-Bag of 5 brass standoffs
-Bag of 4 LEDs
-PCB wrapped in foam
(Not pictured) Acrylic case if Moz didn't send yours directly
Does it come with an instruction manual for construction? :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 06 November 2013, 23:02:23
Does it come with an instruction manual for construction? :P

Nope, it's pretty self explanatory. Each component has a label. For example, R4 is resistor 4. On the PCB, there will be a spot that is labeled R4. Solder the resistor in the outline and you're all good! This is how it works for all the components. Just remember to start with the smallest components then work your way up.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 06 November 2013, 23:22:22
Does it come with an instruction manual for construction? :P

Nope, it's pretty self explanatory. Each component has a label. For example, R4 is resistor 4. On the PCB, there will be a spot that is labeled R4. Solder the resistor in the outline and you're all good! This is how it works for all the components. Just remember to start with the smallest components then work your way up.

Alright!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jevvix on Thu, 07 November 2013, 05:11:27
Can't wait for a GB. Will it be complete kits only or will the cases be sold separately (acrylic assembly only, sans the pcb etc.)?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 07 November 2013, 06:20:27
Can't wait for a GB. Will it be complete kits only or will the cases be sold separately (acrylic assembly only, sans the pcb etc.)?

There will probably be a case option available to order when the group buy begins.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 07 November 2013, 19:13:09
Got mine today. IT'S PURPLE!!! Pictures can be found here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1108803#msg1108803).
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jevvix on Thu, 07 November 2013, 20:42:15
Got mine today. IT'S PURPLE!!! Pictures can be found here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1108803#msg1108803).
Lookin good  :cool:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 07 November 2013, 23:33:06
got my package today. looking forward to building it this weekend when I have the time. MOZ, this case is beautiful. I am truly impressed. And TFR, I love your ingenious packaging skills. You really went above and beyond in putting this kit together. Pics when I build it, I promise

TFR, where did you get those rubber feet? nevermind, I see your answer above. I am thinking this will be the way I want to go.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 08 November 2013, 00:00:48
Mine is still somewhere in "THE WOODLANDS" according to Canada post...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Fri, 08 November 2013, 05:58:44
That was the price we figured out just to get the parts for the 10 prototype testers. Not to mention, in reality, the amount spent was far higher than the anticipated and TFR actually ended up losing quite a lot of money. The estimated cost is subject to change and in a GB setting it depends wildly on the amount of interest and the discount achieved through bulk ordering.

Ya, we will see what the pricing works out to.  I think it will remain reasonable and it is going to be kick ass, so can't wait...  :)
Even for upwards of $60 I believe it would be a fair price, considering what the final product will be able to do.

$60 without switches, stabs, and caps? So just the PCB+case?
I want one!!!
Get my money, please, pleaseeeEEE!!!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 08 November 2013, 13:44:56
I want one!!!
Get my money, please, pleaseeeEEE!!!

Hopefully soon, just getting this initial prototype tested.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: catnipz0098 on Fri, 08 November 2013, 19:37:25
Can't wait for the group buy to start. Can someone PM me when it does?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 08 November 2013, 22:04:35
Can't wait for the group buy to start. Can someone PM me when it does?

No.  Just put a notification on the group buys section and you will get an email for all new group buys.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 08 November 2013, 22:54:58
No actual soldering done or anything yet, but I played with the case a bit. Sneak peek:

(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131108_224817_zpsf5d9af97.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131108_224825_zpse44d3562.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131108_224833_zpsa294f0e4.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 09 November 2013, 00:41:25
No actual soldering done or anything yet, but I played with the case a bit. Sneak peek:

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Did you try using the flathead screws too?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sat, 09 November 2013, 08:58:22
Yes, but I couldn't make a couple of the holes line up because the engraving was a little off. On one hole the engraving wasn't deep enough to allow both screws to grab the brass standoff. I have a plan to open those holes up a bit until the flat head screws fit flush but this setup will do for now. I like it if I can figure out a good way to keep it from sliding.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 09 November 2013, 09:08:23
The sliding is one other reason, I like the flathead setup since it allows to use generic, even smaller rubber feet.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 09 November 2013, 12:02:06
Yes, but I couldn't make a couple of the holes line up because the engraving was a little off. On one hole the engraving wasn't deep enough to allow both screws to grab the brass standoff. I have a plan to open those holes up a bit until the flat head screws fit flush but this setup will do for now. I like it if I can figure out a good way to keep it from sliding.

They are long enough. You just have to position the brass standoff evenly between the three middle layers. Then do not tighten the top screw, tighten the bottom screws.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sat, 09 November 2013, 14:51:02
They are long enough. You just have to position the brass standoff evenly between the three middle layers. Then do not tighten the top screw, tighten the bottom screws.

I understand what you're saying, but what I was saying is that on just one of the holes on my case, the engraving on one hole is off just enough so that it makes this difficult. It's not a problem with the screw. I am going to cleanup the engraved countersink holes and it will not be a problem at all. I do so love the screw-standoff-screw design
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 09 November 2013, 22:17:02
I understand what you're saying, but what I was saying is that on just one of the holes on my case, the engraving on one hole is off just enough so that it makes this difficult. It's not a problem with the screw. I am going to cleanup the engraved countersink holes and it will not be a problem at all. I do so love the screw-standoff-screw design

Perfect! Make sure to post pics when you're done.  ;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Sun, 10 November 2013, 12:59:19
Sooo, can't see the silkscreen here on this revision of the board, so I labeled C4 and R5 in this pic...

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Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 10 November 2013, 13:02:15
regack, since you have seen quality of seeedstudio, PCBWing and OSHPark, what are your views on them and comparisons.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Sun, 10 November 2013, 14:12:04
regack, since you have seen quality of seeedstudio, PCBWing and OSHPark, what are your views on them and comparisons.

I think PCBwing would be my preferred way to go based on what I've seen.  That said, I really like the boards from OSHPark (dat purple & gold), but you don't have any customization options and you probably wouldn't want to order large quantities from there.  I would like to find out who they use to get their panels made.   Seeeeedstudio seems to be very similar to Gold Phoenix.    I should note, I'm no kind of expert on this, but there is a Holiday Inn Express a few miles from here, and I rode past it the other day... :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 11 November 2013, 09:40:51
I should note, I'm no kind of expert on this, but there is a Holiday Inn Express a few miles from here, and I rode past it the other day... :D

(http://i.imgur.com/yqBpz.gif)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: sublime on Mon, 11 November 2013, 11:56:07
Will this be completely programmable? I'd like the pad for macro commands in some programs of mine.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 11 November 2013, 11:59:13
Yes, it will be.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 12:11:56
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: sublime on Mon, 11 November 2013, 13:19:15
Yes, it will be.

**** yeah
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Flamingchook on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:08:57
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Edit: Just tried fitting a cap sideways. SP DCS caps fit since I think the cross on the bottom of them is symmetrical. My OEM filco caps don't fit rotated though, and neither do the OEM profile keys from my WASD tester. So it might be possible with the right caps.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:10:26
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Are you sure? One time i put on blank spherical caps the wrong way, and it still worked.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Flamingchook on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:14:44
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Are you sure? One time i put on blank spherical caps the wrong way, and it still worked.

Just edited my post above with what I just tested, to repeat it here:

Edit: Just tried fitting a cap sideways. SP DCS caps fit since I think the cross on the bottom of them is symmetrical. My OEM filco caps don't fit rotated though, and neither do the OEM profile keys from my WASD tester. So it might be possible with the right caps.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:15:07
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Are you sure? One time i put on blank spherical caps the wrong way, and it still worked.

chook is correct, the "+" mounting's vertical hands are thinner than the horizontal hands. However, when forced on, you can mount the keycaps at 90 degress rotation, damagign the keycaps stem or slider or both.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Flamingchook on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:19:04
To quote Photekq from the CAD resources thread:

Measurement for a stem on a MX keycap. I used this for my latest brass cap and it fit very well. You could maybe make it a little smaller, and I would definitely recommend making it smaller if using plastic/acrylic.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/peWkmLZ.png)

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Flamingchook on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:19:40
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Are you sure? One time i put on blank spherical caps the wrong way, and it still worked.

chook is correct, the "+" mounting's vertical hands are thinner than the horizontal hands. However, when forced on, you can mount the keycaps at 90 degress rotation, damagign the keycaps stem or slider or both.

yes, except the DCS caps I just put on sideways didn't require any forcing, they just went on normally.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:40:47
It depends on the tolerance and how the hollow + shape is modeled on the cap.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:42:01
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Edit: Just tried fitting a cap sideways. SP DCS caps fit since I think the cross on the bottom of them is symmetrical. My OEM filco caps don't fit rotated though, and neither do the OEM profile keys from my WASD tester. So it might be possible with the right caps.

I think you could probably use Row 3 SA keys as well (like the current Round 5 GB), but I am not positive about that...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: AlexJP on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:51:08
must   have   two

 :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 November 2013, 11:45:33
So with the prototype A, the pads for the diodes are sized incorrectly.  SOD-323 or SOD-523 would fit, but SOD-123 is too big... you can glob on a bunch of solder, but it's terribly ugly. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 13 November 2013, 12:15:15
Can you post a picture?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 13 November 2013, 13:45:52
So with the prototype A, the pads for the diodes are sized incorrectly.  SOD-323 or SOD-523 would fit, but SOD-123 is too big... you can glob on a bunch of solder, but it's terribly ugly.

What are you going for?  I size mine rather large as well. It allows you to fit SOD-123 (mostly) but it also allows 1206 and 1008 SMD parts to fit, which is nice.  I personally prefer those :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:06:01
So with the prototype A, the pads for the diodes are sized incorrectly.  SOD-323 or SOD-523 would fit, but SOD-123 is too big... you can glob on a bunch of solder, but it's terribly ugly.

What are you going for?  I size mine rather large as well. It allows you to fit SOD-123 (mostly) but it also allows 1206 and 1008 SMD parts to fit, which is nice.  I personally prefer those :)

Should have been SOD-123, price is nice on those as well vs the others... basically I placed the wrong footprint :'(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:11:49
I wouldn't blame you, I should have ordered the right diodes based on the current footprints. Did you complete building your GHpad regack?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:43:11
I would blame you, I should have ordered the right diodes based on the current footprints. Did you complete building your GHpad regack?

Not entirely, enough to get FLIP to work, then it occurred to me that I need some kind of firmware
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:51:46
IIRC the latest version of qaz's epsilon tool supports mapping for GHPad.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 13 November 2013, 15:51:45
IIRC the latest version of qaz's epsilon tool supports mapping for GHPad.

Yes, be the first to test and give me feedback :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 November 2013, 15:55:29
IIRC the latest version of qaz's epsilon tool supports mapping for GHPad.

I think it's a different revision of the GHpad, which was from... a while ago?  Either way, it's a FANTASTIC application/tool!  I was wading through TMK trying to figure out what the heck I'm doing.

So I tried the GHpad one and got some wacky results, so I loaded up the GH60 profile because I know there are a lot of things in common with that.

My test keys worked fine (though I really was just shorting with wire) so I'll finish it up, and then continue trying to muddle my way through TMK.   Or maybe metalliqaz can add a profile for this one (hint hint :D) because I'd much rather use that fancy application... which is really FANTASTIC, if I hadn't mentioned that before...

R1 = PD0
R2 = PD1
R3 = PD2
R4 = PD3
R5 = PD4
R6 = PD5
C1=PF0
C2=PF1
C3=PE6
C4=PC7
NUMLCKLED=PB2
FNLED1=PF7
FNLED2=PF6
FNLED3=PF5
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 13 November 2013, 16:28:18
I only looked at the 6x4 design. The prelim board might be different.  Like I said I didn't test it yet but I'll take another look tonight.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:59:56
I think I found the issue, although I didn't really look into it to deep.  I fired off a quick test build (attached).  See if it works, pretty please? :)
Contains this simple test map:
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Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 13 November 2013, 18:13:22
Just double checking, but the plate has the tabs for allowing the switch top to come off, right?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 November 2013, 18:26:23
Bah, flip is flipping out on this computer.   Probably some x64 incompatibility or something.  Sigh. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 November 2013, 19:17:54
Just double checking, but the plate has the tabs for allowing the switch top to come off, right?

Yup, the little cutouts are there.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 November 2013, 20:25:06
I think I found the issue, although I didn't really look into it to deep.  I fired off a quick test build (attached).  See if it works, pretty please? :)
Contains this simple test map:
(Attachment Link)


This is working.  Thanks!  Now I just need to finish putting parts on...

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 13 November 2013, 20:29:08
I think I found the issue, although I didn't really look into it to deep.  I fired off a quick test build (attached).  See if it works, pretty please? :)
Contains this simple test map:
(Attachment Link)


This is working.  Thanks!  Now I just need to finish putting parts on...

Awesome! Would you mind listing the problems that need fixing? That way other people building Prototype A will know and we can fix those problems for the final design.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 November 2013, 21:26:20
I think I found the issue, although I didn't really look into it to deep.  I fired off a quick test build (attached).  See if it works, pretty please? :)
Contains this simple test map:
(Attachment Link)


This is working.  Thanks!  Now I just need to finish putting parts on...

Awesome! Would you mind listing the problems that need fixing? That way other people building Prototype A will know and we can fix those problems for the final design.

So far, only problem I've run into is I didn't size the pads correctly for the SOD-123 diodes and the missing silkscreen for C4 and R5 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1112426#msg1112426).  Oh, and tweaking the pad length on the USB connector would be nice, because the pins are kind of underneath the connector.  Also I need a magnifier... and that crystal was annoying to put on.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 13 November 2013, 21:29:13
Yeah I hate those crystals heh. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 13 November 2013, 21:41:29
This is working.  Thanks!

Cool.  Updated keymap app (keymap_20131113) attached to OP here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41390.msg826848#msg826848)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 13 November 2013, 21:50:09
ugh, I'm really sad since I can't assemble mine until my flux comes in the mail.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Wed, 13 November 2013, 22:19:46
ugh, I'm really sad since I can't assemble mine until my flux comes in the mail.
o god this reminds me i forgot to buy flux with my tip

sigh
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 13 November 2013, 22:53:14
ugh, I'm really sad since I can't assemble mine until my flux comes in the mail.
o god this reminds me i forgot to buy flux with my tip

sigh

IT FEELS SO BAD. And of course I had to get the one from china, which takes two to three weeks to ship.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Wed, 13 November 2013, 22:54:27
ugh, I'm really sad since I can't assemble mine until my flux comes in the mail.
o god this reminds me i forgot to buy flux with my tip

sigh

IT FEELS SO BAD. And of course I had to get the one from china, which takes two to three weeks to ship.
Luckily I have Amazon Prime so I can buy some MGChem flux and get it here by Saturday :>
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 13 November 2013, 22:58:03
ugh, I'm really sad since I can't assemble mine until my flux comes in the mail.
o god this reminds me i forgot to buy flux with my tip

sigh

IT FEELS SO BAD. And of course I had to get the one from china, which takes two to three weeks to ship.
Luckily I have Amazon Prime so I can buy some MGChem flux and get it here by Saturday :>
</3 It was impossible to find that stuff on amazon.ca. I had to settle for a kester flux pen.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Wed, 13 November 2013, 23:16:20
ugh, I'm really sad since I can't assemble mine until my flux comes in the mail.
o god this reminds me i forgot to buy flux with my tip

sigh

IT FEELS SO BAD. And of course I had to get the one from china, which takes two to three weeks to ship.
Luckily I have Amazon Prime so I can buy some MGChem flux and get it here by Saturday :>
</3 It was impossible to find that stuff on amazon.ca. I had to settle for a kester flux pen.

They are not the best prices, but they have pretty much everything you would need at ABRA and they will ship to you (where are you located?). 

http://www.abra-electronics.com/categories/Soldering/Flux-And-Flux-Removers/

I bought all my RasPi stuff from them and I recently picked up a bunch of solder gear from them as well.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 13 November 2013, 23:49:08
ugh, I'm really sad since I can't assemble mine until my flux comes in the mail.
o god this reminds me i forgot to buy flux with my tip

sigh

IT FEELS SO BAD. And of course I had to get the one from china, which takes two to three weeks to ship.
Luckily I have Amazon Prime so I can buy some MGChem flux and get it here by Saturday :>
</3 It was impossible to find that stuff on amazon.ca. I had to settle for a kester flux pen.

They are not the best prices, but they have pretty much everything you would need at ABRA and they will ship to you (where are you located?). 

http://www.abra-electronics.com/categories/Soldering/Flux-And-Flux-Removers/

I bought all my RasPi stuff from them and I recently picked up a bunch of solder gear from them as well.
Ah.. darn I wish I knew about them a little earlier. Is it possible to cancel an ebay order?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:33:55
I got my parts in the mail.. Everything looks top-notch. Thank you! I should be able to work on assembly this weekend.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:05:03
So has anyone else got these? USPS seems to be taking there sweet time.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:06:16
still waiting for mine QQ
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:10:15
So has anyone else got these? USPS seems to be taking there sweet time.

Yea I have no idea why they are taking so long. I'll be going to the local post office yet again to see what's up.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:10:36
Stupid Tapatalk!  (Sorry for the double post)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:11:43
So has anyone else got these? USPS seems to be taking there sweet time.

Yea I have no idea why they are taking so long. I'll be going to the local post office yet again to see what's up.


Take a keycap puller and if they give you any crap just reach over the counter and start popping keys off. :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:15:34
cant wait to get mine
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:22:13
So I had mine working the other day with everything but switches to verify the firmware from  metalliqaz (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41390.msg826848#msg826848).  I put it on the work area to mount it in the case and start putting on switches and I knocked it down onto the floor, and now it's not working anymore.  Anyway, until I inspect every solder joint, guess it'll be a while before I can report back anything fun.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:30:17
:(

If you have a multimeter (you should), the continuity check is your friend.  But yes, sounds like a cold solder joint was broken when it fell.  Sorry dude T_T
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 18 November 2013, 10:52:15
:(

If you have a multimeter (you should), the continuity check is your friend.  But yes, sounds like a cold solder joint was broken when it fell.  Sorry dude T_T

I hate to admit it, but I just wasn't in the mood to go probing everything :(

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 18 November 2013, 12:38:10
The tracking on my GHPad is still stuck on "Electronic Shipping Info Received" T_T
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:32:23
The tracking on my GHPad is still stuck on "Electronic Shipping Info Received" T_T

Yeah TFR said the last time he went to check that the post office said they didn't scan them or something.

Also I'm not sure what particular USPS shipping method was used but I'm pretty confident it should have been here by now. I've gotten plenty of things I have purchased in the last week and they have all came from all over.

Maybe there is a texas USPS worker hoarding keyboard stuffs.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:38:33
Gone forever.  Always use insurance.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:41:06
Gone forever.  Always use insurance.

USPS insurance is about worthless and since nothing was scanned to begin with they wouldn't honor it anyways.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:42:48
Gah... I'm pretty sure it's gone forever too. TFR told me the same thing, and he told me that they said it would be delivered last week.

This sucks. :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:42:53
That's a good point.  Bastards
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:44:10
(http://puu.sh/5mMdM.png)

 :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:52:46
Well USPS called and said they did not ship the packages due to me using the incorrect boxes???? They said they would deliver the 7 packages back to my house. They still haven't arrived so I'll be going to the post office AGAIN to see what the problem is. I'm getting tired of your **** USPS.
So everyone chill out, all is not lost yet.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:53:35
Well USPS called and said they did not ship the packages due to me using the incorrect boxes???? They said they would deliver the 7 packages back to my house. They still haven't arrived so I'll be going to the post office AGAIN to see what the problem is. I'm getting tired of your **** USPS.
what?? :eek:
how could they not ship because "incorrect boxes"?

thanks for a bit of hope TFR, was getting worried :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:54:11
Is that normal?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:55:24
yeah you can't ship priority boxes using first class, or at least your not supposed to.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:57:41
yeah you can't ship priority boxes using first class, or at least your not supposed to.

Been doing that for two years now and I've never had an issue.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:58:29
yeah you can't ship priority boxes using first class, or at least your not supposed to.
oh, I thought it was something else. not priority through first class.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 November 2013, 23:03:13
yeah you can't ship priority boxes using first class, or at least your not supposed to.

Been doing that for two years now and I've never had an issue.

I think they must be cracking down on it. But you think they would have said something sooner.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 18 November 2013, 23:05:59
WAIT REALLY????

A couple years back when I was shipping a bunch of stuff, I always used my own boxes instead of using the priority mail boxes. The one time I needed one of those boxes(a triangular prism box that was really long) I blacked out all the parts saying priority mail. Wish I knew about that earlier, like 5 years earlier

/rant 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 18 November 2013, 23:23:04
Show Image
(http://puu.sh/5mMdM.png)


 :(
Mine is still at this state, but as TFR said it looks to be resolvable, thank god. Post offices can be a prick. Indian post office says, if package is more than two kg, it has to be wrapped in cloth and sewed. Weird.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 19 November 2013, 07:55:52
I'm just here for the pictures... :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 November 2013, 08:05:20
Show Image
(http://puu.sh/5mMdM.png)


 :(
Mine is still at this state, but as TFR said it looks to be resolvable, thank god. Post offices can be a prick. Indian post office says, if package is more than two kg, it has to be wrapped in cloth and sewed. Weird.

OK you win for weirdest postal system :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 19 November 2013, 08:16:34
There's nothing wrong with the PO.  The priority flat rate box was created to make things easier.  One price gets you shipping, tracking, and easy packing.  If you don't use the priority label you're just taking free packing supplies. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 19 November 2013, 08:18:00
I wonder why mine made it... maybe it was wrapped in burlap and stitched...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 21 November 2013, 19:25:00
"This thing is awesome" is what I'd say if I could grab some time to poke at it with the fluke and figure out what I broke :'(...  Anyway, I thought this might motivate me...

[attach=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: bueller on Thu, 21 November 2013, 20:04:08
Can't wait to get my hands on one of these, my finicky nature won't allow me to buy a 6 row keypad because it looks weird next to my Pure.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Thu, 21 November 2013, 20:32:51
Got my flux pen and my bumpers for the bottom. Now to wait for the PCB and stuffs. :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 21 November 2013, 21:15:59
Well I was able to rescue the packages from the post office today. They have been repackaged and will go out in the mail tomorrow.  :thumb:

"This thing is awesome" is what I'd say if I could grab some time to poke at it with the fluke and figure out what I broke :'(...  Anyway, I thought this might motivate me...

(Attachment Link)

Looks amazing regack! Now I just need to finish mine...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 21 November 2013, 21:21:25
TFR don't forget about that PM I sent you!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 21 November 2013, 21:25:51
TFR don't forget about that PM I sent you!

Yup, yours is on my desk right now! Hopefully I'll have time to finish yours and mine GHpad this weekend.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Thu, 21 November 2013, 21:59:02
Well I was able to rescue the packages from the post office today. They have been repackaged and will go out in the mail tomorrow.  :thumb:
awesome! :D thanks for all your effort into this, TFR.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BunnyLake on Sun, 24 November 2013, 06:27:55
really hope i get mine soon

i cant wait
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 25 November 2013, 16:27:55
:D
(http://i.imgur.com/29HPzlH.jpg)
Thanks TFR, MOZ, regack, and others! <3
(also, I didn't buy the blue switches but they came with the ghpad?)

PCB pic:
(http://i.imgur.com/0GxHYfJ.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 25 November 2013, 18:31:04
So I was soldering on some of the components and I noticed this:
(http://i.imgur.com/niPkcf0.jpg)
It seems baked onto the PCB... I've tried a lot of things to get it off (rubbing alcohol, cloth w/ water, flux, etc) and it's not coming off. I don't really care about the splatter, but it's covering R3 and I'm not sure if I should solder it on..
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 25 November 2013, 18:39:53
So I was soldering on some of the components and I noticed this:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/niPkcf0.jpg)

It seems baked onto the PCB... I've tried a lot of things to get it off (rubbing alcohol, cloth w/ water, flux, etc) and it's not coming off. I don't really care about the splatter, but it's covering R3 and I'm not sure if I should solder it on..

Looks like some extra copper got baked into the PCB. Can you remove it with your soldering iron and some braid?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 25 November 2013, 18:44:45
So I was soldering on some of the components and I noticed this:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/niPkcf0.jpg)

It seems baked onto the PCB... I've tried a lot of things to get it off (rubbing alcohol, cloth w/ water, flux, etc) and it's not coming off. I don't really care about the splatter, but it's covering R3 and I'm not sure if I should solder it on..

Looks like some extra copper got baked into the PCB. Can you remove it with your soldering iron and some braid?
I'll try that here soon. :D

So far I've soldered on the microcontroller, USB port, C1 & C2. Tried soldering on the crystal but that was a fail.. might have to buy another crystal from digikey lol. I'm pretty sure I can do everything else, it's just the crystal that's difficult.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 25 November 2013, 18:50:35
So I was soldering on some of the components and I noticed this:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/niPkcf0.jpg)

It seems baked onto the PCB... I've tried a lot of things to get it off (rubbing alcohol, cloth w/ water, flux, etc) and it's not coming off. I don't really care about the splatter, but it's covering R3 and I'm not sure if I should solder it on..

Looks like some extra copper got baked into the PCB. Can you remove it with your soldering iron and some braid?
I'll try that here soon. :D

So far I've soldered on the microcontroller, USB port, C1 & C2. Tried soldering on the crystal but that was a fail.. might have to buy another crystal from digikey lol. I'm pretty sure I can do everything else, it's just the crystal that's difficult.

The diodes will be really annoying because they're too big for the pads.  I ended up getting one end on, then bridging to the other pad.  I have fixed the pads to match the SOD-123 appropriately in the next revision.

Also, if you didn't see it, the silkscreen is impossible to read in a couple of spots, so I marked them up in this post here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1112426#msg1112426)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Mon, 25 November 2013, 19:20:50
So I was soldering on some of the components and I noticed this:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/niPkcf0.jpg)

It seems baked onto the PCB... I've tried a lot of things to get it off (rubbing alcohol, cloth w/ water, flux, etc) and it's not coming off. I don't really care about the splatter, but it's covering R3 and I'm not sure if I should solder it on..

Looks like some extra copper got baked into the PCB. Can you remove it with your soldering iron and some braid?
I'll try that here soon. :D

So far I've soldered on the microcontroller, USB port, C1 & C2. Tried soldering on the crystal but that was a fail.. might have to buy another crystal from digikey lol. I'm pretty sure I can do everything else, it's just the crystal that's difficult.

The diodes will be really annoying because they're too big for the pads.  I ended up getting one end on, then bridging to the other pad.  I have fixed the pads to match the SOD-123 appropriately in the next revision.

Also, if you didn't see it, the silkscreen is impossible to read in a couple of spots, so I marked them up in this post here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1112426#msg1112426)
That sounds like fun. :D I think I managed to get a diode soldered up.. although I have no idea if it's even connected :\

Also, does anyone have any suggestions for soldering on the crystal without a hot air gun?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 25 November 2013, 20:20:20
Also, does anyone have any suggestions for soldering on the crystal without a hot air gun?

So I really really lightly tinned 2 of the pads on one side. On the other side they were a bit fuller.  On the full side I used a larger beveled tip to kind of get both the pads going at the same time, then blobbed it in there.  Once it was set on the one side, I dumped a lot of flux on the other side, then got the edge of each of the pads hot and let the solder kind of wick up in there.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 25 November 2013, 20:28:30
Also, does anyone have any suggestions for soldering on the crystal without a hot air gun?

Flux is your friend.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 26 November 2013, 19:39:57
regack, can you post a picture of the back of your PCB? I got everything except the diodes, switches, and R4 soldered (I literally cannot find R4 anywhere on the PCB. Front or back.) and it keeps saying "USB Device Has Malfunctioned" when I plug it in.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 26 November 2013, 19:48:26
regack, can you post a picture of the back of your PCB? I got everything except the diodes, switches, and R4 soldered (I literally cannot find R4 anywhere on the PCB. Front or back.) and it keeps saying "USB Device Not Recognized" when I plug it in.

Oh, uhh, R4 is actually the through-hole resistor under the numlock (for the numlock LED)... that shouldn't have any effect on it recognizing the device.   I think you'll have to get FLIP installed before it will actually recognize it though... at least I had to do that on 3 computers, but they were all Win x64 machines.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 26 November 2013, 19:51:30
regack, can you post a picture of the back of your PCB? I got everything except the diodes, switches, and R4 soldered (I literally cannot find R4 anywhere on the PCB. Front or back.) and it keeps saying "USB Device Not Recognized" when I plug it in.

Oh, uhh, R4 is actually the through-hole resistor under the numlock (for the numlock LED)... that shouldn't have any effect on it recognizing the device.   I think you'll have to get FLIP installed before it will actually recognize it though... at least I had to do that on 3 computers, but they were all Win x64 machines.
Erm.... I have an SMD R4 that came with my PCB, not a through-hole.

Also, I have FLIP installed on my Win8.1 x64 machine. Whenever I plug it in, it just goes "USB Device Not Recognized" and when I open up FLIP and try to connect to it, it just says "Could not open USB device" :(

Could incorrectly soldering the crystal on cause it to not be recognized? Not sure if it's soldered on properly..
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 26 November 2013, 19:57:57
Did you install the driver?

The first time you use Flip, you have to go find the unrecognized USB device in device manager, then tell it to use the driver that is included in the flip installation.

At least that's what I had to do.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 26 November 2013, 20:29:13
Did you install the driver?

The first time you use Flip, you have to go find the unrecognized USB device in device manager, then tell it to use the driver that is included in the flip installation.

At least that's what I had to do.
This is the error I get when I try to install the driver:
(http://puu.sh/5uqof.png)

There is no device ID, it's just "USB\UNKNOWN".

Also, this is what it shows up as under Device Manager:
(http://puu.sh/5upj0.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 26 November 2013, 21:01:42
Oh okay, then it isn't functioning correctly :(

Have you tried ohming out the resistors?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 26 November 2013, 21:06:44
Oh okay, then it isn't functioning correctly :(

Have you tried ohming out the resistors?
I don't have a multimeter to do that :(
Is there any special orientation to the resistors?  Just trying to go over all the possibilities :\
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 26 November 2013, 21:23:10
Oh okay, then it isn't functioning correctly :(

Have you tried ohming out the resistors?
I don't have a multimeter to do that :(
Is there any special orientation to the resistors?  Just trying to go over all the possibilities :\

No they are the same in either direction.  If I was in your situation, I'd start checking around with my multimeter.  Start with the pins on the ATmega.  Make sure they are all soldered and none are shorted together.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:06:16
The first time you use Flip, you have to go find the unrecognized USB device in device manager, then tell it to use the driver that is included in the flip installation.

At least that's what I had to do.

I had to do that too.  45 clicks to get to the 'Have Disk' button, then pick  [installdir]\Atmel\Flip 3.4.7\usb\ as the search location.  Windows found the right driver after that.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:08:43
The first time you use Flip, you have to go find the unrecognized USB device in device manager, then tell it to use the driver that is included in the flip installation.

At least that's what I had to do.

I had to do that too.  45 clicks to get to the 'Have Disk' button, then pick  [installdir]\Atmel\Flip 3.4.7\usb\ as the search location.  Windows found the right driver after that.
Yeah, but there is no proper device ID so Windows keeps telling me that there's no driver for that .inf :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:17:40
Yeah, but there is no proper device ID so Windows keeps telling me that there's no driver for that .inf :(

I have no idea what might cause that...

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:19:56
"Device Descriptor Request Failed"

The AVR is drawing power but not properly responding on the data lines.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:21:46
Yeah, but there is no proper device ID so Windows keeps telling me that there's no driver for that .inf :(

I have no idea what might cause that...
It's a hardware issue, tried it on multiple PC's and the same thing happens. Different USB cable too.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:26:48
"Device Descriptor Request Failed"

The AVR is drawing power but not properly responding on the data lines.
Hmm, maybe there's touching solder on the USB connectors data lines? I checked so many times but I could have overlooked it
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 30 November 2013, 07:57:00
mine arrived today. thanks everyone who was involved!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 30 November 2013, 08:26:22
it matters which way i solder on the diodes/resistors, right? if so, how do i know which way to put them on?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 08:36:23
TFR don't forget about that PM I sent you!

Yup, yours is on my desk right now! Hopefully I'll have time to finish yours and mine GHpad this weekend.

Any progress?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 30 November 2013, 11:30:39
it matters which way i solder on the diodes/resistors, right? if so, how do i know which way to put them on?
Resisters don't matter. As for diodes I believe there is a stripe or line which shows the cathode (?) end.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Sat, 30 November 2013, 11:36:18
welp I broke my usb connector so I have to wait for a new one from digikey lol
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 30 November 2013, 11:45:37
it matters which way i solder on the diodes/resistors, right? if so, how do i know which way to put them on?

Resistors don't have polarity, so they can go anyway you want.

As for the diodes, the grey line on the diode goes on the side marked below, to identify the end, you need to look for the straight line on the silkscreen shown below:

(http://i.imgur.com/BljMusg.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:06:17
thanks moz :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 01 December 2013, 12:59:57
regack could you maybe post a photo of how you bridged the diodes? i'm having some real trouble soldering them.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Sun, 01 December 2013, 13:10:09
regack could you maybe post a photo of how you bridged the diodes? i'm having some real trouble soldering them.

I don't know if I can get a good picture with the phonecam.  I'll try, but I won't be home for a bit.  Basically, for the first few I attached one side to the outer edge of the pad, then blobbed a bunch of solder from the other pad to the diode.  It didn't always work, and was frustrating.   For the remaining ones, I ended up using little ~2mm snips of wire (from LED legs) to bridge the gap.  That was much easier, but it certainly looks uglier.  I'll get try to get a photo when I get back.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 05 December 2013, 07:11:52
Got my GHPad PCB and electronics in the mail today. Unfortunately for me, exams have me tied up and I leave for vacation right after my exams, thus I don't think I'll be able to test this baby soon. However I do have a solution, that should best utilize the resources and effort spent on this project so far to test the unit. Can't disclose the scheme just yet.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 05 December 2013, 09:14:07
Got all the diodes soldered on. Was actually fine once I got the method down. I just have them mounted at an angle, using solder to bridge the raised leg to the pad.

Unfortunately can't take pictures as I've lost my camera.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:42:48
Got all the diodes soldered on. Was actually fine once I got the method down. I just have them mounted at an angle, using solder to bridge the raised leg to the pad.

Unfortunately can't take pictures as I've lost my camera.
Potato cam?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 05 December 2013, 17:29:34
Got all the diodes soldered on. Was actually fine once I got the method down. I just have them mounted at an angle, using solder to bridge the raised leg to the pad.

Unfortunately can't take pictures as I've lost my camera.
Potato cam?
Will post photos tomorrow, as I've just remembered where my camera is. Unfortunately I won't be able to retrieve it until tomorrow. I literally have no other camera, not even a phone camera.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 05 December 2013, 20:17:28
I am having a very difficult time with the diodes. Is there a different size I can order to fit the pads as they are? I'm a big noob when it comes to SMT stuff, and I can't quite figure out how to tell which one I need, so if someone could tell me which part numbers to order from mouser or digikey it would be helpful.

EDIT: What about these (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Diodes-Inc/1N4148WT-7/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtoHjESLttvkg3793dFaTfhbRuv82Kuj88%3d)?

The data sheet on these suggest a center to center pad distance of 1.7mm. Using my calipers and measuring the pads we have on the proto PCB, this looks about right.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 06 December 2013, 06:23:23
I am having a very difficult time with the diodes. Is there a different size I can order to fit the pads as they are? I'm a big noob when it comes to SMT stuff, and I can't quite figure out how to tell which one I need, so if someone could tell me which part numbers to order from mouser or digikey it would be helpful.

EDIT: What about these (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Diodes-Inc/1N4148WT-7/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtoHjESLttvkg3793dFaTfhbRuv82Kuj88%3d)?

The data sheet on these suggest a center to center pad distance of 1.7mm. Using my calipers and measuring the pads we have on the proto PCB, this looks about right.

I checked against the prototype design and the SOD-523 package should fit in the pads that are on there.    The next board revision has been corrected for the SOD-123.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 06 December 2013, 08:44:23
I am having a very difficult time with the diodes. Is there a different size I can order to fit the pads as they are? I'm a big noob when it comes to SMT stuff, and I can't quite figure out how to tell which one I need, so if someone could tell me which part numbers to order from mouser or digikey it would be helpful.

EDIT: What about these (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Diodes-Inc/1N4148WT-7/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtoHjESLttvkg3793dFaTfhbRuv82Kuj88%3d)?

The data sheet on these suggest a center to center pad distance of 1.7mm. Using my calipers and measuring the pads we have on the proto PCB, this looks about right.

I checked against the prototype design and the SOD-523 package should fit in the pads that are on there.    The next board revision has been corrected for the SOD-123.

Ok, I just ordered 100 of these. I should have enough leftover to do 3 more PCBs, so if anyone hasn't done theirs yet and you want some of these extras, PM me.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 08 December 2013, 03:16:23
How I soldered the diodes (best pictures i could get given the light)
(http://i.imgur.com/ePUZtOR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Cn3c1MV.png)
First time doing SMD (1.6D chisel tip)
(http://i.imgur.com/d9Hc8IR.jpg)
Nixdorfs ready to go!
(http://i.imgur.com/WnygHvY.jpg)

I think I've broken the USB. Where you solder on the five small pins, deep inside that recess underneath the connector itself, two of the pins are bridged with solder. I cannot get my iron in there (even with the needle tip) to remove the bridge. I'm not sure what to do about this.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 08 December 2013, 09:30:56
You've been using too much solder.  It's a newbie mistake.  If you've bridged the pins, don't plug it in until you fix it.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: oluf on Sun, 08 December 2013, 10:16:53
Ok, I just ordered 100 of these. I should have enough leftover to do 3 more PCBs, so if anyone hasn't done theirs yet and you want some of these extras, PM me.

PM sent.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 08 December 2013, 10:22:35
You've been using too much solder.  It's a newbie mistake.  If you've bridged the pins, don't plug it in until you fix it.
That's odd, because I had practically none whatsoever on my tip. I made sure to have as little as possible, and everything seemed to go absolutely fine.

And there's another problem. I plugged it in to test it, and since it came up with an error that made me realise the USB joints were bridged. Now windows won't give me an error or anything. I guess the question is.. what have I broken? :'(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 08 December 2013, 10:35:16
You've been using too much solder.  It's a newbie mistake.  If you've bridged the pins, don't plug it in until you fix it.
That's odd, because I had practically none whatsoever on my tip. I made sure to have as little as possible, and everything seemed to go absolutely fine.

And there's another problem. I plugged it in to test it, and since it came up with an error that made me realise the USB joints were bridged. Now windows won't give me an error or anything. I guess the question is.. what have I broken? :'(

The "too much solder" comment was really inspired by your through-hole pictures.  If you are doing the SMD work with a small bead of solder on your tip then you are doing it right, but if you have enough to bridge the pins, then you are either using a tip that is too large or a bead that is too large.  Or, you possibly have really terrible aim, but you're young so I'm willing to bet your hands are much more steady than mine.

I've soldered many of those miniUSB jacks in, and you have to be very careful.  Sometimes I make a mess of it, but with the correct tools, you can usually bail yourself out.  (although I've never managed to bridge one of the pins)  For one thing, I always do a connectivity check with my multimeter after I finish soldering it.  You should also have the smallest tip available for your soldering station.  You should also have a flux pen and some very small desoldering braid.  If you don't have all of those things, you don't have the appropriate tools for this job.  In your situation, I would try two things, in this order: (1) Get some flux in there, clean off your tip, and reheat the solder that is bridging the pins.  It will often separate just by doing that.  Remember- clean tip!  (2) If that doesn't work, I'd get in there with the small desoldering braid.  That is fussy but it should work.  I don't remember what mine is, but perhaps 1mm or 2mm braid.  Pre-fluxed!

I wouldn't worry about Windows yet.  Fix the board then plug it in.  It will probably work.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 08 December 2013, 10:43:33
I've got some flux, but no small braid. I was using the pointed tip that came with my 888D, by far the smallest I have access too. I think the flux application was a bit hit and miss, since the tip of this crappy flux pen has become all mushed and useless. I ended up applying the flux with a very small screwdriver. Maybe I should get a bonpen...

I will try and get my hands on some small braid and try and desolder it. The problem is that the bridge is right in that gap. I don't think I can even reach it with my iron tip.

And that throughhole in the photo looks as if there's too much solder, but in person the amount is fine. Odd :-\
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sun, 08 December 2013, 10:45:39
I've got some flux, but no small braid. I was using the pointed tip that came with my 888D, by far the smallest I have access too. I think the flux application was a bit hit and miss, since the tip of this crappy flux pen has become all mushed and useless. I ended up applying the flux with a very small screwdriver. Maybe I should get a bonpen...

I will try and get my hands on some small braid and try and desolder it. The problem is that the bridge is right in that gap. I don't think I can even reach it with my iron tip.
+1 bonpen. I have one sitting here doing nothing :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 08 December 2013, 10:46:00
The nuclear option would be to try and desolder the whole thing, but if you can't even reach it with your tip, you don't have much chance
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 08 December 2013, 10:47:21
but if you can't even reach it with your tip, you don't have much chance
That's what I was thinking.. A hot air gun would be very handy for this. Maybe i'll see if I can find a better tip for the job.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:20:21
but if you can't even reach it with your tip, you don't have much chance
That's what I was thinking.. A hot air gun would be very handy for this. Maybe i'll see if I can find a better tip for the job.
try the hot air gun first - it`s easier than you think.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:22:25
but if you can't even reach it with your tip, you don't have much chance
That's what I was thinking.. A hot air gun would be very handy for this. Maybe i'll see if I can find a better tip for the job.
try the hot air gun first - it`s easier than you think.

You would need some reflow solder which is hard to use in a space like that.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dustinhxc on Mon, 09 December 2013, 02:08:27
Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CE1IiI2.jpg)


Permanent arrows and removable usb cord! *cries* omg I need one!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 09 December 2013, 02:09:33
As we know for different people they use different kinds of mobile phone signals. Just as the people around you like your friends, your colleagues, your family members and so on, they may use the different mobile phone signals as now there are various mobile phone signals from different companies and of which the frequency bands are also different such as the CDMA, GSM, DCS, PCS, 3G, 4G LTE and 4G Wimax. So in different conditions and circumstances people are in need of the cell phone signal jammers that of different frequency bands. But if people are in great need of a cell phone signal jammer via which they can decide the jamming frequency bands what kind of device should they choose? Of course, the adjustable cell phone jammer is the best for them in such condition.
what
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Mon, 09 December 2013, 09:21:51
As we know for different people they use different kinds of mobile phone signals. Just as the people around you like your friends, your colleagues, your family members and so on, they may use the different mobile phone signals as now there are various mobile phone signals from different companies and of which the frequency bands are also different such as the CDMA, GSM, DCS, PCS, 3G, 4G LTE and 4G Wimax. So in different conditions and circumstances people are in need of the cell phone signal jammers that of different frequency bands. But if people are in great need of a cell phone signal jammer via which they can decide the jamming frequency bands what kind of device should they choose? Of course, the adjustable cell phone jammer is the best for them in such condition.
what

im sure that is spam...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 21:01:00
GG. I give up. I lost 2 diodes, broke 1 and now I don't have enough diodes to finish. I got 1 diode and the crystal on. I don't know how the hell you guys got those fricken diodes on but I sure couldn't.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: catnipz0098 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 21:05:35
GG. I give up. I lost 2 diodes, broke 1 and now I don't have enough diodes to finish. I got 1 diode and the crystal on. I don't know how the hell you guys got those fricken diodes on but I sure couldn't.

Buy more?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 21:07:47
No idea what kind I could buy that would fit the pads.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 12 December 2013, 21:18:02
No idea what kind I could buy that would fit the pads.

The alpha prototype would fit SOD-523 diodes best probably (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Micro-Commercial-Components-MCC/1N4148X-TP/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtoHjESLttvknyDsOtDHAfwI2C3xiL1dBQ%3d) but I just ordered 1000 of the SOD123 ones, so I can just send you some of those if you want.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 21:21:56
No idea what kind I could buy that would fit the pads.

The alpha prototype would fit SOD-523 diodes best probably (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Micro-Commercial-Components-MCC/1N4148X-TP/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtoHjESLttvknyDsOtDHAfwI2C3xiL1dBQ%3d) but I just ordered 1000 of the SOD123 ones, so I can just send you some of those if you want.

$20 shipping charge for 25 diodes. I do not even understand. I believe whiskytango ordered some of the 523 diodes so I went ahead and sent him a pm.. I just hope I can actually get this thing built without any problems.. I honestly can't figure out how you guys managed to solder on the SOD123 ones.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: bueller on Thu, 12 December 2013, 21:23:51
I honestly can't figure out how you guys managed to solder on the SOD123 ones.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/196zdr324f5ksgif/original.gif)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 21:24:45
I honestly can't figure out how you guys managed to solder on the SOD123 ones.

Show Image
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/196zdr324f5ksgif/original.gif)


Missing the text but I get what you're saying.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 12 December 2013, 22:21:19
I got the 523 diodes in today. I haven't soldered yet, but I did a test fit. They seem to fit perfectly, but holy crap are these things tiny. It is incredibly difficult to see the cathode band even under magnification. I think all of my extras are already spoken for, waiting for final responses from two people.

(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131212_221140_zpsd08453ec.jpg)

The alpha prototype would fit SOD-523 diodes best probably (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Micro-Commercial-Components-MCC/1N4148X-TP/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtoHjESLttvknyDsOtDHAfwI2C3xiL1dBQ%3d) but I just ordered 1000 of the SOD123 ones, so I can just send you some of those if you want.

Aw man, I didn't see those when I was ordering. The ones I got (http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=1N4148WT-7virtualkey62110000virtualkey621-1N4148WT) were slightly more expensive, but the specs seem to be similar enough that they should work.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 December 2013, 22:40:47
I got some of the SOD-523 1N4148's in today, as well. I have enough for you, dragonxx21, if you want them. Just send me a PM.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 22:44:03
I got some of the SOD-523 1N4148's in today, as well. I have enough for you, dragonxx21, if you want them. Just send me a PM.
Actually just bought some off of whiskytango. The timinggggg. But thank you for the thought jdcarpe :)

Just sad that I have to wait even longer to get my ghpad made, but I know for sure I can't get it done with those silly 123 diodes.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 12 December 2013, 22:46:24
I got some of the SOD-523 1N4148's in today, as well. I have enough for you, dragonxx21, if you want them. Just send me a PM.
Actually just bought some off of whiskytango. The timinggggg. But thank you for the thought jdcarpe :)

Just sad that I have to wait even longer to get my ghpad made, but I know for sure I can't get it done with those silly 123 diodes.

yes waiting sucks doesn't it!!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 December 2013, 22:49:30
Well, I only ordered 100 of them, not 1000. :)

But yeah, I tried the "mounting at an angle" technique, but gave up after like 4 diodes and ordered the 523 size from Mouser.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 12 December 2013, 22:53:56
i tried the angle thing too, but I couldn't even get one to stick.

I think some wizardry must have been required
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 22:55:15
Like I said, I got one, but lost 2 (which I found 1 of afterwards) and broke one of the legs off another.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 13 December 2013, 02:11:32
Really sorry for the whole diode debacle :(. But hey, it is a prototype.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 13 December 2013, 09:04:34
It's no big deal MOZ. Like you said, it's a prototype. And this is why you do prototypes, to find bugs like this. I view it as an opportunity to learn. I didn't know about the different package sizes for diodes before this, and now I do.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Fri, 13 December 2013, 10:42:21
Can we start making a list of things that need fixed for the final groupbuy? First off there is the diode sizing issue. Any other problems anyone has encountered when building a prototype?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 13 December 2013, 11:28:02
as soon as i have a case ill have mine built up and let you know
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 13:26:48
This is coming along great!

I'm visiting a friend who runs an electronics factory over in asia for the holidays, gonna see if I can have him make me a few pcbs with everything soldered on. They probably have everything on hand other than the ATmega32u4.

Looking forward to hearing about revC!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:16:11
So I'm getting one of these:

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=47804;image)

Have no clue what revision it is, I haven't been keeping up at all with this thread I'm just going to build it and let you guys know what difficulties I come across. What diodes do I need? Anything else I need to know or can I just assemble and program as I normally would ?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:17:14
So I'm getting one of these:

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=47804;image)


Have no clue what revision it is, I haven't been keeping up at all with this thread I'm just going to build it and let you guys know what difficulties I come across. What diodes do I need?

From the pads, it looks like you need SOD-123 package 1N4148 diodes.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:20:47
Okey. Anyone have extras I can buy ? Shipping to Canada always a *****.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:40:02
So I'm getting one of these:

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=47804;image)


Have no clue what revision it is, I haven't been keeping up at all with this thread I'm just going to build it and let you guys know what difficulties I come across. What diodes do I need?

From the pads, it looks like you need SOD-123 package 1N4148 diodes.

Yes, SOD-123.

In theory there are three different ways to run this thing...
1) atmega32u4 on board (with ancillary bits)
2) mcp23018 slaved to something else (i2c pads on left side of the board)
3) directly wiring the rows/columns (from the pads on the left side of the board) to something else

At some point I guess I should test slicing off the bottom for 4x5 instead of 4x6.

Parts list is the same as the previous one, but I'll get a list together just to make sure. 

I just got 1000 SOD123 diodes, so I can help with that.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:42:26
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.fHrYJp&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=36010050440

so this is a thing
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:43:07
Those black boards look so good.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:44:29
cool, i guess I'll ask you to provide some whenever you get around to it :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:48:42
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.fHrYJp&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=36010050440

so this is a thing

Yes, but those are regack's renders. Why no pics of the actual PCBs?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:49:43
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.fHrYJp&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=36010050440 (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.fHrYJp&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=36010050440)

so this is a thing

Yes, but those are regack's renders. Why no pics of the actual PCBs?

They probably haven't made them yet :p

So I'm getting one of these:

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=47804;image)


Have no clue what revision it is, I haven't been keeping up at all with this thread I'm just going to build it and let you guys know what difficulties I come across. What diodes do I need? Anything else I need to know or can I just assemble and program as I normally would ?

It would have been so cool to get a black PCB :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:57:48
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.fHrYJp&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=36010050440 (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.fHrYJp&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=36010050440)

so this is a thing

Yes, but those are regack's renders. Why no pics of the actual PCBs?

They probably haven't made them yet :p


Well, I hope they tested them first...  (I can't see the link, it's not loading for me.)  I know there were tiny problems with previous revisions, and this one is pretty significantly different than the one that people are currently testing.

It would have been so cool to get a black PCB :(

There will be more... unless everyone votes for yellow or something

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 13 December 2013, 15:59:06
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.fHrYJp&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=36010050440 (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.fHrYJp&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=36010050440)

so this is a thing

Yes, but those are regack's renders. Why no pics of the actual PCBs?

They probably haven't made them yet :p


Well, I hope they tested them first...  (I can't see the link, it's not loading for me.)  I know there were tiny problems with previous revisions, and this one is pretty significantly different than the one that people are currently testing.

It would have been so cool to get a black PCB :(

There will be more... unless everyone votes for yellow or something



but what do I need with two GHpads :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:07:51
May as well post here so everyone else can see!

So this is previous rev:
https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/master

This is the experimental?
https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/GHpad

Gonna get 1 of each made if so  ;D
Where are you guys getting your atmega32u4s from?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:09:42
May as well post here so everyone else can see!

So this is previous rev:
https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/master

This is the experimental?
https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/GHpad

Gonna get 1 of each made if so  ;D
Where are you guys getting your atmega32u4s from?

You're going to make your own prototypes? Okay. :P

I bought my 32U4's from DigiKey thru metalliqaz, but I think they went out of stock...not sure.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:10:26
Oh I guess I'll need a 32U4 as well ^_^
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:14:30
Oh I guess I'll need a 32U4 as well ^_^

And some resistors and capacitors, I'm guessing. :D

Also, a reset switch, a USB connector, a 16MHz crystal...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:15:47
Mhmm, I was asking for what I needed :P
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:16:07
They're out of stock at Digikey, Mouser, and Newark.  I saw it coming and tried to buy a bunch of them, but screwed it up.  Still kicking myself over that.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:17:33
They're out of stock at Digikey, Mouser, and Newark.  I saw it coming and tried to buy a bunch of them, but screwed it up.  Still kicking myself over that.

Wow, I thought mouser had some left after that... they're all out now?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:17:41
May as well post here so everyone else can see!

So this is previous rev:
https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/master

This is the experimental?
https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/GHpad

Gonna get 1 of each made if so  ;D
Where are you guys getting your atmega32u4s from?

You're going to make your own prototypes? Okay. :P

I bought my 32U4's from DigiKey thru metalliqaz, but I think they went out of stock...not sure.

Gonna get a friend who owns a manufacturing business in asia to make a couple for me, need to pick up some atmega32u4s as they  may be difficult to get off the shelf and I want them to do the smd soldering
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:19:01
They're out of stock at Digikey, Mouser, and Newark.  I saw it coming and tried to buy a bunch of them, but screwed it up.  Still kicking myself over that.

Wow, I thought mouser had some left after that... they're all out now?

mouser seems sold out http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Atmel/ATMEGA32U4-AU/?qs=SSucg2PyLi7mKWjHIsNJ3w==
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 December 2013, 16:22:42
Mhmm, I was asking for what I needed :P

1    1   ATMEGA32U4-AU-ND    IC1
2    2   1276-1047-1-ND    C1, C2
3    1   1276-1066-1-ND    C3
4    5   1276-1003-1-ND    C4, C5, C6, C7, C8
5    2   RMCF0805JT22R0CT-ND    R1, R2
6    2   RMCF0805JT10K0CT-ND    R3, R5
7    1   887-1125-1-ND    X1
8    1   679-2461-1-ND    S0
9    24   1N4148W-FDICT-ND    D1-D24
10    1   ED2992CT-ND    J1

Something like this, I think...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Fri, 13 December 2013, 18:09:41
Oh I guess I'll need a 32U4 as well ^_^
you can order free samples from AVR ...
 :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: AKmalamute on Fri, 13 December 2013, 18:38:34
you're talking plain atmega chips, right?
froogle (http://www.karlssonrobotics.com/cart/atmega32u4-tqfp/?gclid=CPumtqG7rrsCFcU5QgodEwcAvA) told me about Karl's.
Or you can actually get the thing on a breakout board for cheaper from a few eBay shops ... namely, the leonardo microcontroller ... not sure how safe it is to try and desolder one of those things but for about $5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/310562519074?lpid=82) you can try, and see!

(hmm. Looking for a good eBay link I found Fenwall (http://www.shop.fenwalsales.com/ATMEGA32U4-16AU-ATMEGA32U4-16AU.htm) but they want $12 shipping on a $3 item.)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Defying on Fri, 13 December 2013, 19:00:33
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Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 December 2013, 19:01:08
If you wanted to attempt to desolder a 32U4 (hopefully in TQFP44 package size) from a breakout board, you might want to use Chip Quick. Otherwise I foresee a hard time.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Fri, 13 December 2013, 19:35:49
If you wanted to attempt to desolder a 32U4 (hopefully in TQFP44 package size) from a breakout board, you might want to use Chip Quick. Otherwise I foresee a hard time.

Or get an SMD Quad tip (http://www.hakko.com/english/tip_selection/series_t12_smd.html#type_smd-quad)...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 13 December 2013, 20:06:51
Don't even bother trying to desolder them.  It's not worth it, trust me
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Fri, 13 December 2013, 20:21:57
digikey has 830 of the ATMEGA32U4-AUR... but I'm not clear on what the difference is from ATMEGA32U4-AU.  Is it just packaging?

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA32U4-AUR/ATMEGA32U4-AURCT-ND/3440960
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 December 2013, 21:07:58

digikey has 830 of the ATMEGA32U4-AUR... but I'm not clear on what the difference is from ATMEGA32U4-AU.  Is it just packaging?

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA32U4-AUR/ATMEGA32U4-AURCT-ND/3440960

Yes, those are packed in cut tape reels, where the other version we have been buying are in trays. So probably not suitable for pick-and-place, but fine for hand soldering.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sat, 14 December 2013, 00:34:12
OK, two things:

1. Can somebody tell me where R4 goes? I cannot find it anywhere on the PCB.

2. I dropped one of the C4-C8s and I cannot find it. Does anyone have an extra?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Sat, 14 December 2013, 06:59:58
R4 is actually a through-hole resistor for the numlck led and should be sized accordingly for the led chosen.  It's easier to just find through hole ones lying about, which is why it is not smd.  I suppose that could be changed.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 14 December 2013, 07:06:17
R4 is actually a through-hole resistor for the numlck led and should be sized accordingly for the led chosen.  It's easier to just find through hole ones lying about, which is why it is not smd.  I suppose that could be changed.
So the R4 we have doesn't actually go anywhere?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Sat, 14 December 2013, 07:46:03
R4 is actually a through-hole resistor for the numlck led and should be sized accordingly for the led chosen.  It's easier to just find through hole ones lying about, which is why it is not smd.  I suppose that could be changed.
So the R4 we have doesn't actually go anywhere?

The 0804 resistor labeled R4 doesn't no.  It's like a spare lego piece! (no idea what value it is though)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Sat, 14 December 2013, 08:01:50
Rev 0.12 (the black PCB)

Ref       Value           Quantity  Footprint       Part   
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C1,C2     22pF            2         804            VJ0805A220GXXCW1BC     
C3, C8    1uF             2         805            VJ0805Y105JXQTW1BC     
C4..C7    0.1uF           4         805            VJ0805Y104JXXAC
D1..D24   1N4148          24        SOD-123        1N4148 
IC1       ATMEGA32U4      1         TQFP44         ATmega32U4-AU   
J1        USB MINI-B      1                        Molex 67503-1020     
R1,R2     22 Ohm          2         805            CRCW080522R0JNTABC     
R3, R5    10 kOhm         1         805            CRCW080510K0FKEB       
S0        ADTSMW69NVTR    1                        tact sw 6.30x6.20mm
X1        7M-16.000MAAJ-T 1                        16MHz Crystal
S1..S211  MX1A            17-24     CHERRY MX      Quantity Depends on Layout
-
DC1..DF3  LED             4         through-hole   User Choice   
R4        ? kOhm          1         through-hole   Value depends on DC1 LED
RF1       ? kOhm          1         through-hole   Value depends on DF1 LED
RF2       ? kOhm          1         through-hole   Value depends on DF2 LED
RF3       ? kOhm          1         through-hole   Value depends on DF3 LED
-
U1        MCP23018        1         SSOP24         MCP23018-E/SS *MCP OPTION*
R6,R7     2.2 kOhm        2         805            CRCW08052K20JNEA *MCP OPTION*
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Mon, 16 December 2013, 14:01:02
So I'm getting one of these:

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=47804;image)


Have no clue what revision it is, I haven't been keeping up at all with this thread I'm just going to build it and let you guys know what difficulties I come across. What diodes do I need? Anything else I need to know or can I just assemble and program as I normally would ?
Ahhhhhh
Awesome work Regack!

Any chance to get a GB? I would love to test it.
I wanna use the I2C IC and what you did into this board would help me a lot!
I would like to get 4 boards ...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:01:51
I was originally going to have them made as a one off order, but then it dawned on me that I could just order off oshpark, since the pcb is pretty small.

It's only $66.60 for 3 units
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Mon, 16 December 2013, 19:54:49
I was originally going to have them made as a one off order, but then it dawned on me that I could just order off oshpark, since the pcb is pretty small.

It's only $66.60 for 3 units
Hmmm, kinda expensive for 3 small PCBs ...
Have you tried Seedstudio - Fusion PCB (http://www.seeedstudio.com/service/index.php)? I think you can get 10 PCBs (10cm x 10cm ) per less than 40 bucks ...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 16 December 2013, 22:37:54
that price seems pretty good to me.  Less than that and you risk a serious drop in quality...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 16 December 2013, 22:45:20
I need better eyes for these SOD-123 diodes. I think I soldered them on backwards. Surely there is an 0805 or 0603 package diode that will fit the pad footprint?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Mon, 16 December 2013, 23:58:20
I was originally going to have them made as a one off order, but then it dawned on me that I could just order off oshpark, since the pcb is pretty small.

It's only $66.60 for 3 units
Hmmm, kinda expensive for 3 small PCBs ...
Have you tried Seedstudio - Fusion PCB (http://www.seeedstudio.com/service/index.php)? I think you can get 10 PCBs (10cm x 10cm ) per less than 40 bucks ...

im getting ~$44 + $12 shipping from seeed studio's calculator for 5 units.

realistically, I am probably only going to use 2 pcbs.

unless someone wants a lot of units, I'm just going to order from osh park near the end of the week (so that it doesn't arrive while im out of town for the holidays)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 17 December 2013, 06:10:59
I was originally going to have them made as a one off order, but then it dawned on me that I could just order off oshpark, since the pcb is pretty small.

It's only $66.60 for 3 units
Hmmm, kinda expensive for 3 small PCBs ...
Have you tried Seedstudio - Fusion PCB (http://www.seeedstudio.com/service/index.php)? I think you can get 10 PCBs (10cm x 10cm ) per less than 40 bucks ...

im getting ~$44 + $12 shipping from seeed studio's calculator for 5 units.

realistically, I am probably only going to use 2 pcbs.

unless someone wants a lot of units, I'm just going to order from osh park near the end of the week (so that it doesn't arrive while im out of town for the holidays)
For 10cm x 10cm I'm getting 10 by US$ 24,90 + shipping (PCB without the extra row, the area to be cutted off)
For 10cm x 15cm I'm getting 10 by US$ 55,90 + shipping (complete PCB)

PCB Qty.......: 10
PCB Layers....:  2
PCB Thickness.: 1.6mm
PCB Dimension.: 10cm max * 10cm max OR 10cm max * 15cm max
PCB Color.....: Green
Surface Finish: Hasl
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 17 December 2013, 08:14:25
I need better eyes for these SOD-123 diodes. I think I soldered them on backwards. Surely there is an 0805 or 0603 package diode that will fit the pad footprint?

I thought you said you ordered some 523s?

I have soldered on all my 523 diodes. They are freaking tiny! The most time-consuming part was figuring out which end was the cathode. I have a lamp with built in magnifier, and I found that you could hold a diode right under the light and tilt it until the light would shine just right off of it so you could make out the markings. You can also tell which direction it's facing by the direction of the text on the diode. Mine said T4 or something like that and the cathode band was always in the same orientation to the text as shown on the data sheet.

I am now just waiting on a capacitor. I dropped one of mine and lost the little thing, so I ordered some more from digi-key. I needed some resistors and through hole diodes anyway, so that's not a huge deal.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 December 2013, 09:06:48
I need better eyes for these SOD-123 diodes. I think I soldered them on backwards. Surely there is an 0805 or 0603 package diode that will fit the pad footprint?

I thought you said you ordered some 523s?

I have soldered on all my 523 diodes. They are freaking tiny! The most time-consuming part was figuring out which end was the cathode. I have a lamp with built in magnifier, and I found that you could hold a diode right under the light and tilt it until the light would shine just right off of it so you could make out the markings. You can also tell which direction it's facing by the direction of the text on the diode. Mine said T4 or something like that and the cathode band was always in the same orientation to the text as shown on the data sheet.

I am now just waiting on a capacitor. I dropped one of mine and lost the little thing, so I ordered some more from digi-key. I needed some resistors and through hole diodes anyway, so that's not a huge deal.

Yes, that's what I meant...those tiny 523's. I need a loupe or something to see the markings. ;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:17:20
I was originally going to have them made as a one off order, but then it dawned on me that I could just order off oshpark, since the pcb is pretty small.

It's only $66.60 for 3 units
Hmmm, kinda expensive for 3 small PCBs ...
Have you tried Seedstudio - Fusion PCB (http://www.seeedstudio.com/service/index.php)? I think you can get 10 PCBs (10cm x 10cm ) per less than 40 bucks ...

im getting ~$44 + $12 shipping from seeed studio's calculator for 5 units.

realistically, I am probably only going to use 2 pcbs.

unless someone wants a lot of units, I'm just going to order from osh park near the end of the week (so that it doesn't arrive while im out of town for the holidays)
For 10cm x 10cm I'm getting 10 by US$ 24,90 + shipping (PCB without the extra row, the area to be cutted off)
For 10cm x 15cm I'm getting 10 by US$ 55,90 + shipping (complete PCB)

PCB Qty.......: 10
PCB Layers....:  2
PCB Thickness.: 1.6mm
PCB Dimension.: 10cm max * 10cm max OR 10cm max * 15cm max
PCB Color.....: Green
Surface Finish: Hasl

The dimensions of ghpad are 75.54x113.77 mm

$45.9000 for 5
$55.90 for 10
$87 for 20

colored pcb add $10 regardless of qty
enig finish +$16 regardless of qty

here is the bad news:


Registered Air Parcel

Weight: 0.97kg. Delivery Time: 0-30 days    $18.46
United States Postal Service

Shipping to US. Weight 0.97kg    $22.95
Fedex

Shipping to US. Weight 0.97kg    $36.75
United Parcel Service (1 pkg x 0.970kg total)

UPS Worldwide Express Saver    $44.31
Store Pickup

Choose this if you want to pick up your orders at our office. Tel: +86 755 36534826    $0.50
DHL

Shipping to US. Weight 0.97kg    $39.89
EMS

Weight: 0.97kg    $33.16


That's for 10, so it comes out to $73 for 10. Shipping cost doubles with the 20 qty its around $117 total for 20.

Is there someone out there that wants 5 pcbs? Maybe we could split it the order for 10.

I'm placing an order tomorrow, let me know by then.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:30:16
The dimensions of ghpad are 75.54x113.77 mm
Yup, this is the dimension for the complete PCB, one 6x4 keypad.
If you want a normal 5x4 keypad you could ignore the bottom part of the PCB - it would make the PCB fit into the 10cm x 10cm price range.

I'm interested in 4 or 5 of these 5x4 keypads - I can change the kicad files here in order to get this smaller PCB.
For the 6x4 PCB it will depend on the price ...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:35:19
While I'm pretty sure everything is fine with the layout, don't you want to perhaps wait until one of them has been tested?  If not, that's fine, more testers is good.  Also, I updated the github yesterday with some minor tweaks to the silkscreen.

The only reason I had some made is I wanted to put the onus on myself, and not the rest of the community in case something was flawed with the design (ie: diode pads not sized properly).  Also I got to choose the colors :D


Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:42:31
Hmm yes, actually I'd be more interested in a 5x4 than a 6x4

I didn't want to make a big production out of it. Of course with untested stuff like this there is a risk  :p

Though I saw that you are in brazil, it may not be worth it to ship between USA (where I am) and brazil
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:47:48
Hmm yes, actually I'd be more interested in a 5x4 than a 6x4

I didn't want to make a big production out of it. Of course with untested stuff like this there is a risk  :p

Though I saw that you are in brazil, it may not be worth it to ship between USA (where I am) and brazil
For small packages it is okay.

JDCarpe wants 5 5x4 PCBs too.
I want 5 - you could ship my PCBs to him - it would be easier.

anyone else guys?
 :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:52:50
If agodinhost wants to modify the KiCad files and make a 5x4 GHPad, I would be willing to proxy the shipping, since I'm already shipping some stuff to him in Brazil. Plus I would also get a few 5x4 GHPads, just for the sake of having them. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:56:32
Oh ok, that sounds good.

I can do an order of 20, anyone else want some?

Let me know w/ the file. If I remember correctly its just cutting off that marked part from the bottom.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:05:05
Oh ok, that sounds good.

I can do an order of 20, anyone else want some?

Let me know w/ the file. If I remember correctly its just cutting off that marked part from the bottom.

I want two of the 5x4 if you're doing them.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:09:43
You know, I could just re-order 20 of them from PCBwing at $5.50/pcb + shipping...

I'm just not trying to get into the middle of a group buy....
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:11:57
seeedstudio is 2.29/pcb for 20
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:14:47
If I remember correctly its just cutting off that marked part from the bottom.
Yup - that's it.
I can do it if you want - you do just need to pay attention into the delete operation cause sometimes it deletes more than you want (tracks for instance).

give me one or two hours (kinda in the middle of something for my wife here) ...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:19:04
You know, I could just re-order 20 of them from PCBwing at $5.50/pcb + shipping...

I'm just not trying to get into the middle of a group buy....

The original one you made for me, or the current design with only 5 rows?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:20:37
Oh that's right,  is the $5.50 for the 5 or 6 row?

I think $5.50/pcb is in line with what seeedstudio charges for the 6row layout.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:23:31
I'm just not trying to get into the middle of a group buy....
lol
you are the father of this keypad Regack, so you were in the middle anyway ...
 :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:26:18
Cool I'm getting a keypad!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:26:51
Oh that's right,  is the $5.50 for the 5 or 6 row?

I think $5.50/pcb is in line with what seeedstudio charges for the 6row layout.

Yeah, that was for the 6-row with black soldermask and chemical gold... I didn't have a 4x5 made there... but anyway, try this one out:

https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/4x5

I removed the bottom row stuff and extra footprints that were not necessary, as well as the pin references to row 6 on the MCP23018 and such...

This is from the 0.12.1 revision, so it has the silkscreen fixes for the diodes and R6 & R7.

Also... my apologies to agodinhost for preempting you...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:37:30
the master father delivers!  :thumb:

btw, I'm not opposed to doing the order from pcbwing either

did you want a few? I can close the order w/ whiskeytango as the last and we can send 3 pcbs to regack. I can cover the cost of those extra pcbs/shipping.

Unless we can find a bunch of people  for 30 qty, I'll leave the count as:

jdcarpe-5
agodinhost-5
whiskeytango-2
me-5
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:41:04
If you go with PCBWing, be sure to choose 7-day lead time. It is not much more than 10-day or 12-day!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:46:03
Could someone summarize the progress and where it is at currently? Any upcoming prototype runs?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:51:15
GOSH, you are way quick man!
Thank you!!! :thumb:

Could someone summarize the progress and where it is at currently? Any upcoming prototype runs?
We are testing Regack work.
Be aware that small mistakes are still possible and no one is authorized to rape Regack because of it.
 :-X

So, whom is going to get the money?
Via paypal?
Is that you phatdood9?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:56:25
Oh that's right,  is the $5.50 for the 5 or 6 row?

I think $5.50/pcb is in line with what seeedstudio charges for the 6row layout.

Yeah, that was for the 6-row with black soldermask and chemical gold... I didn't have a 4x5 made there... but anyway, try this one out:

https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/4x5

I removed the bottom row stuff and extra footprints that were not necessary, as well as the pin references to row 6 on the MCP23018 and such...

This is from the 0.12.1 revision, so it has the silkscreen fixes for the diodes and R6 & R7.

Also... my apologies to agodinhost for preempting you...

how many did you order? pcbwing calculator shows $9.83ea with 75.54x94.97mm dimensions (chemical gold rohs, black solder mask)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:59:23
GOSH, you are way quick man!
Thank you!!! :thumb:

Could someone summarize the progress and where it is at currently? Any upcoming prototype runs?
We are testing Regack work.
Be aware that small mistakes are still possible and no one is authorized to rape Regack because of it.
 :-X

So, whom is going to get the money?
Via paypal?
Is that you phatdood9?

I think paypal would be easiest

The most sensible way would be to send 2 payments, one to me for the pcb and one to jdcarpe for the shipping.

any objections?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 December 2013, 16:03:06
Oh that's right,  is the $5.50 for the 5 or 6 row?

I think $5.50/pcb is in line with what seeedstudio charges for the 6row layout.

Yeah, that was for the 6-row with black soldermask and chemical gold... I didn't have a 4x5 made there... but anyway, try this one out:

https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/4x5

I removed the bottom row stuff and extra footprints that were not necessary, as well as the pin references to row 6 on the MCP23018 and such...

This is from the 0.12.1 revision, so it has the silkscreen fixes for the diodes and R6 & R7.

Also... my apologies to agodinhost for preempting you...

how many did you order? pcbwing calculator shows $9.83ea with 75.54x94.97mm dimensions (chemical gold rohs, black solder mask)

PCBWing will show tooling fees for initial-run and re-orders.  In this case, I went to my last order and started the re-order process to see what the cost would be to get more of the 4x6.  That's where I got my cost from.  The 4x5 would be a whole new order and would suffer from 'initial-run' setup costs.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 December 2013, 16:05:45
Could someone summarize the progress and where it is at currently? Any upcoming prototype runs?

I ordered 10 of the 4x6 prototypes and already have them in hand.  At this point, these are all spoken for.

phatdood9 is arranging for another test group but of a slightly modified 4x5 version based on the current 4x6 revision but omits the bottom row entirely (and subsequently costs a little less).

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 December 2013, 16:08:09
So with the latest revision, one should be able to connect a ribbon cable between the GH60 and the GHPad, and program the firmware on the GH60 to recognize the new switches on the GHpad, correct?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 December 2013, 16:17:29
So with the latest revision, one should be able to connect a ribbon cable between the GH60 and the GHPad, and program the firmware on the GH60 to recognize the new switches on the GHpad, correct?

I sure hope so!  I wanted to test that with another little test board I made but I just got these, and I'm not much of a programmer.  With the ribbon cable you're just connecting row/column input (GPIO pins?) on the GH60 to the row/column pins on the keypad.  All you'd need is diodes! (SOD-123 this time, not those tiny little SOD-523 ones :D)

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 16:47:22
That's what I suspected, the tooling cost is a bit of a killer, especially when the subsequent orders are likely going to be an improved revision.

I'll order tomorrow, could you send me your mailing address/email address jdcarpe? So I can ship it to you and fwd you the emails.

I think it will come out to around $3.3/pcb

You guys want ENIG or lead free PCB?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 December 2013, 16:50:21
No lead-free. We need the Pb. :)

Sent you a PM with my address info.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 17 December 2013, 16:57:27
Oh that's right,  is the $5.50 for the 5 or 6 row?

I think $5.50/pcb is in line with what seeedstudio charges for the 6row layout.

Yeah, that was for the 6-row with black soldermask and chemical gold... I didn't have a 4x5 made there... but anyway, try this one out:

https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/4x5

I removed the bottom row stuff and extra footprints that were not necessary, as well as the pin references to row 6 on the MCP23018 and such...

This is from the 0.12.1 revision, so it has the silkscreen fixes for the diodes and R6 & R7.

Also... my apologies to agodinhost for preempting you...

how many did you order? pcbwing calculator shows $9.83ea with 75.54x94.97mm dimensions (chemical gold rohs, black solder mask)

PCBWing will show tooling fees for initial-run and re-orders.  In this case, I went to my last order and started the re-order process to see what the cost would be to get more of the 4x6.  That's where I got my cost from.  The 4x5 would be a whole new order and would suffer from 'initial-run' setup costs.

I am down for whatever, but is there a reason we can't just order more of the 4x6 PCBs and break off the bottom if we want 4x5? It seems it would be cheaper. Either way, I'm in for any option that gets me a 4x5
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 17 December 2013, 17:03:53
Yes we could do that too, we would get the chemical gold finish too.

The price would still be around $40 more though, even with the reorder discount (for 20 qty)

Also looks like regack cleaned up a few unnecessary parts w/ his 4x5 design.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Tue, 17 December 2013, 17:05:22
I am down for whatever, but is there a reason we can't just order more of the 4x6 PCBs and break off the bottom if we want 4x5? It seems it would be cheaper. Either way, I'm in for any option that gets me a 4x5

I like the idea, mainly because I want a 4x6. I suppose the next run is the final run, or are there any major revisions planned large enough to warrant a new prototype run?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 December 2013, 17:22:44
I am down for whatever, but is there a reason we can't just order more of the 4x6 PCBs and break off the bottom if we want 4x5? It seems it would be cheaper. Either way, I'm in for any option that gets me a 4x5



I like the idea, mainly because I want a 4x6. I suppose the next run is the final run, or are there any major revisions planned large enough to warrant a new prototype run?


I don't think so, but I know agodinhost had some ideas for improving the i2c expansion capability... that might be for a version down the road though.  Really I just wanted to get these tested then turn it loose for people to decide what to do...

The only thing I've really changed was placement of silkscreen text.  The 'R7' silkscreen was... under the module... and was hard to read.  I'm missing the USB port, or I'd have basic functionality tested already  :-[

I also hope to get info to metalliqaz so he can put maybe add it to his firmware programmer
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 13:40:24
Going to place the order in a couple hrs, anyone have a pcb color that that don't like?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 18 December 2013, 13:55:35
Going to place the order in a couple hrs, anyone have a pcb color that that don't like?

Anything but green? :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Wed, 18 December 2013, 14:05:47
Green and brown are boring as a lot of PCBs are in those colours. The korean PCBs tend to be red. GH doesn't yet have a colour which we usually go for. Orange and black?

I vote black, but I might be alone to like discreet and minimalistic around here.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 14:51:14
The manufacturer needs some specific file naming conventions, I'm not 100% sure how I should do one specific file, can someone double check?

Board Outline:pcbname.GML/GKO

I just renamed the gbr file to a gko, is this okay?

btw, going with white pcb unless anyone objects !
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: graboy on Wed, 18 December 2013, 19:28:02
btw, going with white pcb unless anyone objects !

I'll second damorgue, black is my vote. And for GH style, is an orange silkscreen a possibility?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 19:28:25
turned out to just be a difference in naming convention

I placed the order, it will ship to jdcarpe and he can distribute.

Total including shipping is $20 per 5, so $4 per pcb.

I ordered in white  :p
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 18 December 2013, 20:17:52
turned out to just be a difference in naming convention

I placed the order, it will ship to jdcarpe and he can distribute.

Total including shipping is $20 per 5, so $4 per pcb.

I ordered in white  :p

White is also good.  Too bad nobody offers purple.  Hopefully the silkscreen changed to black for a white PCB :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 18 December 2013, 21:06:58
I missed it again :( and even more sad since it's more convenient 4x5 that I want  :'(

Somebody somewhere offers purple. I had a motherboard in purple before.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Wed, 18 December 2013, 21:12:32
I missed it again :( and even more sad since it's more convenient 4x5 that I want  :'(

Somebody somewhere offers purple. I had a motherboard in purple before.

Ivan, unless someone else wants to part with one, you can have one of the two I asked for. I'll pay for it. You can just arrange shipping with jdcarpe and it's yours.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 December 2013, 21:16:32

I missed it again :( and even more sad since it's more convenient 4x5 that I want  :'(

Somebody somewhere offers purple. I had a motherboard in purple before.

Pretty sure Gold Phoenix offers purple.

And Ivan, I can send you one of mine. I won't use all 5.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 18 December 2013, 21:17:52
That's very nice of you!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 18 December 2013, 21:27:40
Pretty sure Gold Phoenix offers purple.

I thought I looked at gold phoenix before going to pcbwing... but you're right, they do have purple!

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:09:58
Next time purple then  :D

I highly doubt I'll get around to building all 5, whiskey you should keep them. Jdcarpe, if you are planning on building all yours, just  take one of my pcbs and arrange shipping w/ Ivan. no problem  :thumb:

Also, I think easiest way to arrange payment is just 1 payment to me for the pcb and a separate one to jdcarpe for shipping. We'll have to figure it out, it will be at least 2 weeks before they arrive.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:43:36
Oh, can the SMD work if any be done for me by someone? I am sure I would ruin it if I had to try it.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:58:12

Oh, can the SMD work if any be done for me by someone? I am sure I would ruin it if I had to try it.

Yeah, I can do that for you, too. I will add up all the prices for the PCB, components, shipping, etc. and let you know once it's ready. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 18 December 2013, 23:03:38
That's great, thanks.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 00:07:50
That's why I got more than I needed, I've never dome smd soldering before :p

Isn't most of it just using solder paste w/ a heat gun?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:54:49
That's why I got more than I needed, I've never dome smd soldering before :p

Isn't most of it just using solder paste w/ a heat gun?

Could be.  I did mine with a T18-D24 tip & the FX888... I think that's the tip anyway.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:34:04
I used my Hakko FX-888D with a T18-DL12 tip.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:57:22
So, whom payed the bills?
Whom should I send money to?
 :-\
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:36:16
Oh, I ordered the pcbs, had them sent to jdcarpe.

I'm not sure how much shipping is going to be proxied through him, is the best way to send 2 paypal payments, 1 to me and 1 to him?

No rush, they still have to make them  :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 December 2013, 23:31:30
The latest case design, I believe is much better than the previous one, this is the one sent out to lcs, mashby and BunnyLake. Countersunk screws, sturdier feet.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7419977/CAM00003.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7419977/CAM00004.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7419977/CAM00005.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 20 December 2013, 23:36:52
one day i will have a ghpad.....maybe....
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 December 2013, 23:53:20
one day i will have a ghpad.....maybe....

TFR hasn't shipped it yet?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 21 December 2013, 15:46:45
one day i will have a ghpad.....maybe....

TFR hasn't shipped it yet?

Well he didn't want me to ship it because he wanted the SMD soldering done. I offered to do if for free but he got tired of waiting so it was sent to JDcarpe to do the SMD soldering.

Oh and Moz, the new case design looks great! Much improvement over the last.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 21 December 2013, 16:09:41
Those layered legs. Much nice.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 22 December 2013, 14:20:49
one day i will have a ghpad.....maybe....

TFR hasn't shipped it yet?

Well he didn't want me to ship it because he wanted the SMD soldering done. I offered to do if for free but he got tired of waiting so it was sent to JDcarpe to do the SMD soldering.

Umm no.  You said you didn't have time with all the other things you are doing and that I needed to find someone else to do it, this after I waited a few weeks with no word but that you would get it done, and that after waiting weeks with the packages being mis-shipped and I never asked you to do it for free and jdcarpe was paid and he will get it done I'm sure.

Another project I've spent way too much on with nothing to show for it.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sun, 22 December 2013, 15:27:39
it matters which way i solder on the diodes/resistors, right? if so, how do i know which way to put them on?

Resistors don't have polarity, so they can go anyway you want.

As for the diodes, the grey line on the diode goes on the side marked below, to identify the end, you need to look for the straight line on the silkscreen shown below:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BljMusg.jpg)


I installed my diodes exactly as MOZ said above. The gray line on the diode on the same side as the straight line on the silkscreen. And yet somehow, ALL of my diodes appear to be backwards. Can anyone else confirm that the silkscreen on the Prototype A is backwards? Or am I doing something wrong? I matched the cathode ban on my diodes with the cathode side (straight line) of the solder pads as MOZ's picture points out above.

Now, I have installed everything, flashed the firmware, and the only way I can get keys to register is if I short one side of the switch with the out-going side of the diode. If I short it to the other side of the diode, nothing happens. This tells me I have the diodes backwards, right?

regack, if you're reading this, how did you align your diodes? Like MOZ said above, or opposite?

Thanks. I am excited that at least the thing appears to be working.

EDIT: I just flipped one diode around and tested the board again. That key works now. So I guess now I am going to flip all of these diodes around. Oh boy...

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Sun, 22 December 2013, 16:15:36
it matters which way i solder on the diodes/resistors, right? if so, how do i know which way to put them on?

Resistors don't have polarity, so they can go anyway you want.

As for the diodes, the grey line on the diode goes on the side marked below, to identify the end, you need to look for the straight line on the silkscreen shown below:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BljMusg.jpg)


I installed my diodes exactly as MOZ said above. The gray line on the diode on the same side as the straight line on the silkscreen. And yet somehow, ALL of my diodes appear to be backwards. Can anyone else confirm that the silkscreen on the Prototype A is backwards? Or am I doing something wrong? I matched the cathode ban on my diodes with the cathode side (straight line) of the solder pads as MOZ's picture points out above.

Now, I have installed everything, flashed the firmware, and the only way I can get keys to register is if I short one side of the switch with the out-going side of the diode. If I short it to the other side of the diode, nothing happens. This tells me I have the diodes backwards, right?

regack, if you're reading this, how did you align your diodes? Like MOZ said above, or opposite?

Thanks. I am excited that at least the thing appears to be working.

EDIT: I just flipped one diode around and tested the board again. That key works now. So I guess now I am going to flip all of these diodes around. Oh boy...

I was also confused by this.  Checkout this question which we went back and forth a bit to finally figure out the answer: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40501.msg1118410#msg1118410  Expand all of the images and be very confused for a bit and then read everything and it will start to get a little clearer...

In short, the concept of + and - on a diode is very misleading.  You really have to think of it in regards to the current flow rather than + / - (which in itself is not obvious). 

If you read the pictures at face value it will look like the SMD 'line' is on the opposite side as the through hole diode 'line'.  Post back if that question/answer exchange is not clear enough...

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sun, 22 December 2013, 17:23:49
Thanks swill. Although, I don't think that would have really helped me here. I wasn't thinking in terms of + or -, but rather I was matching the cathode line on the diode to the cathode line on the PCB. I was also going off what MOZ said. He posted that pic that I quoted above, and no one corrected him that I could see, so I assumed it was right...

Ok, so I just desoldered, flipped, and then resoldered all of the diodes on this thing. AND IT WORKS!. Hooray. And HUGE props to metalliqaz for his Easy AVR USB Firmware Keymapper (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.msg1127412#msg1127412), that thing is awesome!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sun, 22 December 2013, 19:47:52
Thanks swill. Although, I don't think that would have really helped me here. I wasn't thinking in terms of + or -, but rather I was matching the cathode line on the diode to the cathode line on the PCB. I was also going off what MOZ said. He posted that pic that I quoted above, and no one corrected him that I could see, so I assumed it was right...

Ok, so I just desoldered, flipped, and then resoldered all of the diodes on this thing. AND IT WORKS!. Hooray. And HUGE props to metalliqaz for his Easy AVR USB Firmware Keymapper (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.msg1127412#msg1127412), that thing is awesome!
So for your diodes they need to be flipped around? *takes mental note*
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sun, 22 December 2013, 20:21:16
dragonxx21, yes flip them around so that the line on the diode is opposite from the straight line side on the PCB.

I have it all pretty much together. Some progress pics below. One problem I see with an acrylic plate like this is that it was too thick to use plate mount stabs without a lot of modding and/or gluing, and the thickness also affects how much room there is between the plate and PCB which is also a problem for PCB mount stabilizers. You can see the side shots below where one side the PCB will not sit all the way down on the bottom of the switches because the stabs are in the way. I used PCB mount stabs. I tried to use the screw in kind, but those would not work at all since they wouldn't fit through the stab holes in the plate. Not sure if there is really a fix for this, and it has more to do with the case than the actual GHPad. I'm just not wild about acrylic plates. I love the genius design of MOZ's case though.

One other issue I would suggest fixing is maybe making the pads for the crystal a little larger. That might make it easier for using an iron to hand solder it. Of course, that won't matter when these are mass produced for a big GB, but it would make these prototypes easier.

All in all, for a first prototype, I love this thing. I don't personally care for the layout, but I knew that going in. I think I would rather have the extra keys be on the top row. The soldering is not pretty, but it's my first SMD work so I am just thrilled that it all works. Oh, and I ended up using some SS screws that I got in a big assorted pack on ebay. Enjoy the pics, and if you can't tell from my color choices, War Eagle!

(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_172538_zps9864d979.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_172424_zpse2548124.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_172418_zps6bd4e63c.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_172522_zpsacc1996e.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_172513_zps5c30c140.jpg)  (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_172500_zps2c180a71.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_172552_zpsc39eccd0.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_194814_zps8192ac56.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_194727_zps2a15dfd2.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_194735_zps9f1a9c29.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_194722_zps47b0b525.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_194749_zpsa8f34761.jpg) (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/jbedwell81/20131222_194735_zps9f1a9c29.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Sun, 22 December 2013, 20:30:33
Just because this is going to confuse a lot of people...

Here is an image of SMD diodes:
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/3/34/34277ff9_Cap-elko-smd-polarity.jpg)

Here is a diagram of Anode / Cathode and a through hole diode:
(http://modeltrainadvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/diode-markings.jpg)

And an image with a board:
(http://i.imgur.com/hV8DTsi.jpg]http://i.imgur.com/hV8DTsi.jpg)

NOTICE: The line on the through hole diode is at the Cathode end.  Also, notice that on the SMD, the line is on the Anode side.  So to me, it looks like the line means different things between SMD and through hole diodes...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 22 December 2013, 21:49:43
Ah, so I guess my eyes may not be at fault, after all. I soldered the SOD-523 diodes with the band toward the band on the silkscreen, as WT did, but I suppose this must be the through hole convention, and opposite of the SMD convention.  I will have to reverse them.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sun, 22 December 2013, 22:45:54
jd, I was able to desolder the 523s using the hakko 808. It will suck most of the solder off. Then, I used my soldering iron to kind of push on one leg of the diode and it would usually come off pretty easily and then the other side would pop off. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be to desolder them all.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 24 December 2013, 06:56:36
@SpamRay: With all the cluster**** in my life, I can't say anything to TFR, however I can hope that you get your board soon.

As for the diode thing, I'm sorry but happy it got sorted out.

Regarding the design of the acrylic, the thickness is an issue, and I believe it is better to go with thinner top plate (~2.5), however acrylic thickness tolerance is a big issue as I have found out from various venders, they themselves have to face this problem and it all comes down to what is available when you are looking for it, and often means compromising.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 December 2013, 08:19:53
Ray, I just received your GHPad in the mail yesterday. I will get it soldered for you and in the mail soon. It really depends on my work schedule and cetera.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 December 2013, 08:32:48
Ray, I just received your GHPad in the mail yesterday. I will get it soldered for you and in the mail soon. It really depends on my work schedule and cetera.


Thanks for letting me know JD. I thought you already had it, I was told it shipped the 13th lol, no hurry. And I appreciate you taking your time to help.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: OldDataHands on Tue, 24 December 2013, 09:41:29
Just because this is going to confuse a lot of people...

Here is an image of SMD diodes:
Show Image
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/3/34/34277ff9_Cap-elko-smd-polarity.jpg)


Here is a diagram of Anode / Cathode and a through hole diode:
Show Image
(http://modeltrainadvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/diode-markings.jpg)


And an image with a board:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/hV8DTsi.jpg]http://i.imgur.com/hV8DTsi.jpg)


NOTICE: The line on the through hole diode is at the Cathode end.  Also, notice that on the SMD, the line is on the Anode side.  So to me, it looks like the line means different things between SMD and through hole diodes...

I have to completely disagree.

I just reviewed a number of datasheets,
both through-hole and SMA/SMB, and in
_ALL_ cases the band or notch denotes
the cathode of the diode.

In any case, it would be wise to refer to
the data sheet for your particular part,
but I do not expect any variance on this
aspect.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Tue, 24 December 2013, 10:34:58

Just because this is going to confuse a lot of people...

Here is an image of SMD diodes:
Show Image
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/3/34/34277ff9_Cap-elko-smd-polarity.jpg)


Here is a diagram of Anode / Cathode and a through hole diode:
Show Image
(http://modeltrainadvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/diode-markings.jpg)


And an image with a board:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/hV8DTsi.jpg]http://i.imgur.com/hV8DTsi.jpg)


NOTICE: The line on the through hole diode is at the Cathode end.  Also, notice that on the SMD, the line is on the Anode side.  So to me, it looks like the line means different things between SMD and through hole diodes...

I have to completely disagree.

I just reviewed a number of datasheets,
both through-hole and SMA/SMB, and in
_ALL_ cases the band or notch denotes
the cathode of the diode.

In any case, it would be wise to refer to
the data sheet for your particular part,
but I do not expect any variance on this
aspect.

This image has to be wrong then?
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/3/34/34277ff9_Cap-elko-smd-polarity.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: OldDataHands on Tue, 24 December 2013, 13:30:40

This image has to be wrong then?
Show Image
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/3/34/34277ff9_Cap-elko-smd-polarity.jpg)

That picture is of polarized capacitors. Those devices will
typically fail catastrophically if a reversed voltage is applied.
The markings on a polarized caps have a different meaning
than the markings on diodes.

For the purpose of describing how diodes are used in a
keyboard switch matrix, I think that '+' and '-' can only be
confusing, inappropriate labels for diode terminals.
At various points during the scanning of a matrix with a
pressed switch a diode will have voltage across it in both
directions. Anode and Cathode are the correct terms/labels.
The cathode is marked, typically, but always check your
datasheet, then check how they are supposed to be used
in your particular circuit.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: fourzeropooh on Tue, 24 December 2013, 16:10:52
When these go into GB stage will the SMD work be predone?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:00:56
When these go into GB stage will the SMD work be predone?

The answer is almost certainly yes. Not many people are comfortable doing SMD soldering.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:00:17
When these go into GB stage will the SMD work be predone?

The answer is almost certainly yes. Not many people are comfortable doing SMD soldering.

Who will run this group buy?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Wed, 25 December 2013, 00:29:26
@SpamRay: With all the cluster**** in my life, I can't say anything to TFR, however I can hope that you get your board soon.

As for the diode thing, I'm sorry but happy it got sorted out.

Regarding the design of the acrylic, the thickness is an issue, and I believe it is better to go with thinner top plate (~2.5), however acrylic thickness tolerance is a big issue as I have found out from various venders, they themselves have to face this problem and it all comes down to what is available when you are looking for it, and often means compromising.

@MOZ: I understand what you're saying about the thickness. I think it's just a problem with acrylic plates in general. You can make the cutout for the stabilizers bigger, but then you could only use PCB mount stabs. Please don't take it as criticism on your design though. I think this is a really sweet little case you have designed.What about using aluminum for just the top plate? Seems like I have seen this hybrid aluminum-acrylic design used on other cases. Of course then the price goes up I would assume. Can your cutter do aluminum?

@metalliqaz: I cannot get over how impressive your firmware tool is! This is my first use of it, but I am going to be using it for my Phantom, Black Petal, and Frosty Flake for sure. Haven't built the Petal or Flake yet, but it's on my to do list, and your firmware tool makes the programming part look a whole lot easier. Thanks for building and supporting this software!

Suggestion for those programming this prototype A: I mapped my left arrow to backspace on the fn layer and I really like it there.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 00:34:22
good news! I got a shipment notification for the 4x5 pcbs. internet is a bit spotty right now, but ill fwd the tracking into to jdcarpe in a few.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 26 December 2013, 06:54:31
... Black Petal, and Frosty Flake ...
sorry my ignorance, what is it?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Thu, 26 December 2013, 08:14:18
... Black Petal, and Frosty Flake ...
sorry my ignorance, what is it?

Those are just a couple of the replacement controllers that bpiphany has created :
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46700.msg1083984#msg1083984



Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: domoaligato on Thu, 26 December 2013, 12:22:02
hybrid metal/acrylic case ftw!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 15:37:26
Just want to point out to WhiskyTango and anyone else who got diodes from WhiskyTango. The sheets he sent me did in fact show that the band was to signify the cathode (-) end and not the anode (+) end.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Mon, 30 December 2013, 15:43:16
Just want to point out to WhiskyTango and anyone else who got diodes from WhiskyTango. The sheets he sent me did in fact show that the band was to signify the cathode (-) end and not the anode (+) end.

thanks for verifying that...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 December 2013, 18:29:26
Got a little something in the mail today...

(http://i.imgur.com/ulIXSi2.jpg)

Regack, any idea why the reverse side solder mask would come out like that? It's the same on all 20 PCBs.

Also, I'm leaving town tomorrow for a few days vacation, so I won't be able to ship anything before next Monday, January 6th.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 30 December 2013, 18:48:33
That solder mask has a bit of a half face/phantom of the opera thing going on. It kind of would have fit the Phantom. Are the markings for the diodes on that side visible at all? I guess one just has to double-check the orientations of the SMDs more carefully.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 December 2013, 19:21:06
That solder mask has a bit of a half face/phantom of the opera thing going on. It kind of would have fit the Phantom. Are the markings for the diodes on that side visible at all? I guess one just has to double-check the orientations of the SMDs more carefully.

Yeah, it's very unique/odd. You can see enough of the diode silkscreens to guess how the others are oriented. We will need a guide for where to place other components, though. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 30 December 2013, 19:32:27
That solder mask has a bit of a half face/phantom of the opera thing going on. It kind of would have fit the Phantom. Are the markings for the diodes on that side visible at all? I guess one just has to double-check the orientations of the SMDs more carefully.

Yeah, it's very unique/odd. You can see enough of the diode silkscreens to guess how the others are oriented. We will need a guide for where to place other components, though. :)

Wow, that's crazy, I have no idea what might have happened there.  Yeah, no way to place the components without a guide.  It looks like a nice curve though... Maybe you can find the center point, seems like it might be off the board... I was just thinking perhaps a decimal point got misplaced for some silkscreen item?  I didn't see that in any test render or anything. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 19:37:43
woah, is the pcb half black on the back? so weird  :D

I didn't generate my own gerber files, just passed them the ones regack generated.

I am also out of town, we can coordinate shipping when you're back  ;D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 30 December 2013, 19:39:08
[attach=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 December 2013, 19:46:13
(Attachment Link)

That works! :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Mon, 30 December 2013, 19:46:36
(Attachment Link)

Are the silkscreens for the diodes the correct orientation in this image?  :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 December 2013, 19:56:26
(Attachment Link)

Are the silkscreens for the diodes the correct orientation in this image?  :)

They are the same as the 6-row version, so...

I'd say not
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Mon, 30 December 2013, 19:58:55
(Attachment Link)

Are the silkscreens for the diodes the correct orientation in this image?  :)

well, the markings are correct to electrically indicate anode/cathode... but not necessarily with respect to how the diodes themselves are marked by the manufacturer... I ordered some SMD LEDs... two different brands... they had the EXACT same markings on the bottom... but were opposite from each other... it was really annoying.

like this:
[attach=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Mon, 30 December 2013, 20:10:05

(Attachment Link)

Are the silkscreens for the diodes the correct orientation in this image?  :)

well, the markings are correct to electrically indicate anode/cathode... but not necessarily with respect to how the diodes themselves are marked by the manufacturer... I ordered some SMD LEDs... two different brands... they had the EXACT same markings on the bottom... but were opposite from each other... it was really annoying.

like this:
(Attachment Link)

Wow, that is annoying and makes things more complicated.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Mon, 30 December 2013, 22:45:38
Just want to point out to WhiskyTango and anyone else who got diodes from WhiskyTango. The sheets he sent me did in fact show that the band was to signify the cathode (-) end and not the anode (+) end.

Yep, that's what I was going off of when I placed mine backwards the first time... at any rate, there seems to be some non-uniformity as to how some smt diodes are marked. I think next time I am going to solder in just one and test it before I go farther, just to be sure.

And those PCBs look pretty cool I think. The lack of markings just adds to the challenge ;)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 23:24:55
so I seem to be getting the same problem that defying had. I plugged in my GHpad and windows doesn't seem to be detecting it. It shows up as an unknown USB device. I tried running FLIP and DFU and both weren't able to detect my GHpad.

Edit: I don't know how and I don't know why.. but I'm missing C7. Is it possible that's why it's not working? If so, does anyone have a spare C7? Or is there a link to where I could get one?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 31 December 2013, 10:42:32
If it hasn't been programmed yet, you need to updated the driver on the unrecognized device with the DFU driver from the Flip installation directory.  I've said it so many times...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 31 December 2013, 11:40:05
If it hasn't been programmed yet, you need to updated the driver on the unrecognized device with the DFU driver from the Flip installation directory.  I've said it so many times...

And sometimes I haven't even got that to work. I had to program my GH60 with dfu-programmer on linux. Couldn't get Windows to recognize it at all, even after uninstalling/reinstalling the Flip driver.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 31 December 2013, 15:33:05
If it hasn't been programmed yet, you need to updated the driver on the unrecognized device with the DFU driver from the Flip installation directory.  I've said it so many times...
Honestly I wouldn't be posting here if I hadn't already tried that. I've tried FLIP as well as DFU-Programmer.

If it hasn't been programmed yet, you need to updated the driver on the unrecognized device with the DFU driver from the Flip installation directory.  I've said it so many times...

And sometimes I haven't even got that to work. I had to program my GH60 with dfu-programmer on linux. Couldn't get Windows to recognize it at all, even after uninstalling/reinstalling the Flip driver.

I guess I'll have have to try it on linux after then.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 31 December 2013, 20:01:24
I have a bunch of .1uF caps, but I don't know how long it would take to get to you...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 31 December 2013, 20:24:40
I have a bunch of .1uF caps, but I don't know how long it would take to get to you...

I don't mind waiting. WhiskyTango said he could hook me up with a few so I think I'm good for now.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 31 December 2013, 20:28:13
I have a bunch of .1uF caps, but I don't know how long it would take to get to you...

I don't mind waiting. WhiskyTango said he could hook me up with a few so I think I'm good for now.

Ok.  I'm not sure if it will or won't work with that missing... or maybe not work right?  Could be why it's acting up.


Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 04:37:08
I have a bunch of .1uF caps, but I don't know how long it would take to get to you...

I don't mind waiting. WhiskyTango said he could hook me up with a few so I think I'm good for now.

Ok.  I'm not sure if it will or won't work with that missing... or maybe not work right?  Could be why it's acting up.
I hope that's the problem. Worse case scenario is something blew up because the capacitor wasn't in. Hopefully not since it was one of the capacitors for the crystal.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 01 January 2014, 07:36:26
I have a bunch of .1uF caps, but I don't know how long it would take to get to you...

I don't mind waiting. WhiskyTango said he could hook me up with a few so I think I'm good for now.

Ok.  I'm not sure if it will or won't work with that missing... or maybe not work right?  Could be why it's acting up.
I hope that's the problem. Worse case scenario is something blew up because the capacitor wasn't in. Hopefully not since it was one of the capacitors for the crystal.

Those are C1 & C2 - C7 just happens to be nearby
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 01 January 2014, 12:57:31
Ok, so I finally saw what everyone has already seen and I failed to see D: - anyway, I fixed the silkscreen on the SOD-123 diodes to indicate the line properly.  The anode/cathode indicator in the middle stayed the same, just the line moved to the other side where it should be.  Sorry about that.

fixed for both the 4x6 github files (https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/GHpad) and 4x5 github files (https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/4x5).


There's also an error with diode D5 (switch 5, the '0' key).  It works fine, you just have to install the diode backwards from all of the others.  I didn't quite catch this, since installed some of the diodes backwards at the bottom of the board  :'( ... only working on the 4x5 version did I catch it.  The silkscreen and whatnot is fixed in the posted github revisions.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 05 January 2014, 00:58:49
So... anyone got an ATmega32U4? Everywhere I'm looking that ships to Canada is out of stock.

While I'm at it if anyone has:

Molex 67503-1020 mini usb
ADTSMW69NVTR Tactile Switch (what is this even for?)
7M-16.000MAAJ-T crystal oscillator

I need those as well. I think I can order these but if anyone here has extras I thought I'd ask around first.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Sun, 05 January 2014, 07:39:53
I ordered all the parts minus the tactile switch and the atmega 32u4 off mouser just a couple days ago.

That switch and atmega 32u4 i got from digikey
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 06 January 2014, 19:33:47
^

 ATmega32U4-AUR is in stock.

What's difference between AU and AUR? Part list says AU
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 06 January 2014, 19:44:06
^

 ATmega32U4-AUR is in stock.

What's difference between AU and AUR? Part list says AU

It's packed in a different tray/reel, not suitable for pick and place manufacturing at a PCB fab.

For our purposes, it's exactly the same.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 06 January 2014, 19:47:27
oh ffs I just ordered AU on back order, estimate ship on 14th. RIP I'm dumb ^_^

It cost $30 shipped for the rest of the 4 parts I needed :\ regardless.. can't wait to build this thing.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Thu, 09 January 2014, 14:26:36
finally back home yesterday, guess what I got in the mail!

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:03:42
^ Me still waiting on some stuff :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:13:05
^ Me still waiting on some stuff :(

the best thing to do is forget about it then when/if it shows up you can be excited
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:57:12
^ Me still waiting on some stuff :(

the best thing to do is forget about it then when/if it shows up you can be excited
It's so true!
And pray, lots of pray!
I do pray to my postman every single day!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Sun, 12 January 2014, 15:40:00
jd back yet?  :)


looking forward to building a 4x5  :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 14 January 2014, 22:48:48
Got my capacitors in from WhiskyTango and soldered them in. IT WORKS! Although I don't know how to get the LEDs working, do I need to actually put it in the firmware to get them to work? And if so, how do I do so with metalliqaz's easy firmware?

I'd really like to thank everyone who's helped me out with making the GHpad. It is technically the first group buy I've been in and it's been a really positive experience. Thanks to, TFR/Regack/MOZ and everyone else involved in design/distribution as well as Halverson and Kravlin for selling/giving me that awesome miami stuff, WhiskyTango for passing along some parts that I needed, LONGZILLA for being a sick secret santa and everyone who helped answer questions that I had and helped troubleshoot.

Pictures of the thing:
(http://i.imgur.com/g9mK6qU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/C0oNXxi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wVfLjQB.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Pac Caps on Tue, 14 January 2014, 22:51:15
Got my capacitors in from WhiskyTango and soldered them in. IT WORKS! Although I don't know how to get the LEDs working, do I need to actually put it in the firmware to get them to work? And if so, how do I do so with metalliqaz's easy firmware?

I'd really like to thank everyone who's helped me out with making the GHpad. It is technically the first group buy I've been in and it's been a really positive experience. Thanks to, TFR/Regack/MOZ and everyone else involved in design/distribution as well as Halverson and Kravlin for selling/giving me that awesome miami stuff, WhiskyTango for passing along some parts that I needed, LONGZILLA for being a sick secret santa and everyone who helped answer questions that I had and helped troubleshoot.

Pictures of the thing:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/g9mK6qU.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/C0oNXxi.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wVfLjQB.jpg)


Sexy :thumb:

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 14 January 2014, 23:06:57
The flash on my camera doesn't do it justice, but my room lighting is too low in the corner of my room for a nice well lit picture :P oh well.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 15 January 2014, 01:38:24
Looks great, specially with that purple cable.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 15 January 2014, 02:24:43
Looks great, specially with that purple cable.
Yeah, there was a darker purple that I didn't see until after I ordered this one, but it still turned out well.

P.S. So, how would I go about getting the LEDs to work? Also, how can I change the firmware on it? I tried using FLIP but it isn't connecting to the USB. Do I have to press the reset button?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 15 January 2014, 02:31:42
Got my capacitors in from WhiskyTango and soldered them in. IT WORKS! Although I don't know how to get the LEDs working, do I need to actually put it in the firmware to get them to work? And if so, how do I do so with metalliqaz's easy firmware?

I'd really like to thank everyone who's helped me out with making the GHpad. It is technically the first group buy I've been in and it's been a really positive experience. Thanks to, TFR/Regack/MOZ and everyone else involved in design/distribution as well as Halverson and Kravlin for selling/giving me that awesome miami stuff, WhiskyTango for passing along some parts that I needed, LONGZILLA for being a sick secret santa and everyone who helped answer questions that I had and helped troubleshoot.

Pictures of the thing:
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(http://i.imgur.com/g9mK6qU.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/C0oNXxi.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/wVfLjQB.jpg)


These are amazing! Id love a numpad with removable USB Cord and full time arrows..
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 15 January 2014, 08:58:58
Got my capacitors in from WhiskyTango and soldered them in. IT WORKS! Although I don't know how to get the LEDs working, do I need to actually put it in the firmware to get them to work? And if so, how do I do so with metalliqaz's easy firmware?

I'd really like to thank everyone who's helped me out with making the GHpad. It is technically the first group buy I've been in and it's been a really positive experience. Thanks to, TFR/Regack/MOZ and everyone else involved in design/distribution as well as Halverson and Kravlin for selling/giving me that awesome miami stuff, WhiskyTango for passing along some parts that I needed, LONGZILLA for being a sick secret santa and everyone who helped answer questions that I had and helped troubleshoot.

Pictures of the thing:


These are amazing! Id love a numpad with removable USB Cord and full time arrows..

Totally overrated....  :-X
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:11:49
Totally overrated....  :-X

I'm guessing you still haven't got yours? For what it's worth, I never got around to building mine, even though I got the first beta going along with TFR. Mine was sent to my SS, who hasn't logged in since 19th Dec.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:16:04
Looks great, specially with that purple cable.
Yeah, there was a darker purple that I didn't see until after I ordered this one, but it still turned out well.

P.S. So, how would I go about getting the LEDs to work? Also, how can I change the firmware on it? I tried using FLIP but it isn't connecting to the USB. Do I have to press the reset button?

Where'd you get that cable... I wants one...

Try hitting reset to change the ATMEGA into bootloader mode, I don't think it defaults there.

From FLIP you'll then make sure to change to the atmega32u4, then select USB.  You might have to update the drivers to get it to see everything. 

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 28 January 2014, 11:09:02
So is anyone actively using a GHPad? How's it working out for you?

I ran across my case the other day packing up some other stuff. :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 28 January 2014, 11:21:44
not right now, but I will be after I get my phantom operational again. Both of my TKLs are down right now.

So ray, did you just never get your PCB? that sucks
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 28 January 2014, 11:23:24
not right now, but I will be after I get my phantom operational again. Both of my TKLs are down right now.

So ray, did you just never get your PCB? that sucks

JD will get to it eventually, I hope, he's a busy guy. 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Tue, 28 January 2014, 17:47:55
Looks great, specially with that purple cable.
Yeah, there was a darker purple that I didn't see until after I ordered this one, but it still turned out well.

P.S. So, how would I go about getting the LEDs to work? Also, how can I change the firmware on it? I tried using FLIP but it isn't connecting to the USB. Do I have to press the reset button?

Where'd you get that cable... I wants one...

Try hitting reset to change the ATMEGA into bootloader mode, I don't think it defaults there.

From FLIP you'll then make sure to change to the atmega32u4, then select USB.  You might have to update the drivers to get it to see everything.
I got the cable made by TFR. It's nice right? :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Smasher816 on Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:51:31
Hey everyone. I'm getting some extra cash for my birthday and would love to try this out as a little hobby and intro to soldering (as well as acting as an extension to my TKL in case I need a numpad for some reason).

As far as I know there are not any group buys going on, so I will have to purchase the PCB myself or find someone who is willing to sell one. Is there anyone I should get in contact with besides phatdood9 (who just ordered a batch)?

I would also like to confirm that this http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1157872#msg1157872 is the correct parts list to order from mouser/digikey (in addition to the switches and keycaps).

Thanks in advance for all the help :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Sat, 08 February 2014, 15:47:54
found some pcbs in the mail today, thanks JD

looks like the manufacturer had a hiccup on the back, but it should function okay

for the 4x5, this is the most recent:
(http://i.imgur.com/7rQMnpx.png)

will be a couple weeks before I have the chance to solder everything up
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 11 February 2014, 14:04:48
Well I'm not 100% sure whether those resistors in the last photo are the correct direction. I have them in on a board using the opposite convention with the stripe and its working out.

Anyone using hasu's firmware? The bottom row seems to have some issues, but strangely enough if I load a 4x6 layout into the 4x5, the bottom row works (equivalent to the 2nd to bottom row on the 4x6)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 11 February 2014, 14:27:13
Resistors have no polarity, so it shouldn't matter unless you meant diodes.

And, I too think, regack has got the polarity/convention slightly wrong, the bar is _ALWAYS_ on the cathode end, in the image above, the bar is on the anode end, which I would say is wrong.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 11 February 2014, 14:39:11
so tired, yes I meant the diodes

I think its a firmware issue
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 11 February 2014, 14:46:57
Resistors have no polarity, so it shouldn't matter unless you meant diodes.

And, I too think, regack has got the polarity/convention slightly wrong, the bar is _ALWAYS_ on the cathode end, in the image above, the bar is on the anode end, which I would say is wrong.

regack posted about this earlier and said he fixed the problem, but I think those PCBs phatdood has were made before regack fixed it. See below

Ok, so I finally saw what everyone has already seen and I failed to see D: - anyway, I fixed the silkscreen on the SOD-123 diodes to indicate the line properly.  The anode/cathode indicator in the middle stayed the same, just the line moved to the other side where it should be.  Sorry about that.

fixed for both the 4x6 github files (https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/GHpad) and 4x5 github files (https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/4x5).


There's also an error with diode D5 (switch 5, the '0' key).  It works fine, you just have to install the diode backwards from all of the others.  I didn't quite catch this, since installed some of the diodes backwards at the bottom of the board  :'( ... only working on the 4x5 version did I catch it.  The silkscreen and whatnot is fixed in the posted github revisions.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 11 February 2014, 14:51:41
I made a layout using hasu's firmware on the 4x6 that I cut into a 4x5. The diode for S20 I had to mount opposite of all of the others (I think it's S20?). 

I'm pretty sure I fixed all of those things in one of the most recent revisions, but none of the PCBs were made with those fixes  :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 11 February 2014, 14:54:49
Follow this, this is definitely correct:
(http://i.imgur.com/1yGTdlJ.png)

Hopefully, regack will correct the silkscreen in the next revision.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 11 February 2014, 14:56:00
I made a layout using hasu's firmware on the 4x6 that I cut into a 4x5. The diode for S20 I had to mount opposite of all of the others (I think it's S20?). 

I'm pretty sure I fixed all of those things in one of the most recent revisions, but none of the PCBs were made with those fixes  :(

I just checked the latest revission from github, it still has the wrong silkscreen.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Tue, 11 February 2014, 14:57:04
Yea, that image I generated was the latest from the repo

The direction that moz pointed out is def. the one working for me

----

Oh S20? I mounted them all the same, except reverse for S5

I'll mess around with it when I am at home tonight, its just a shot with the heat gun.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Tue, 11 February 2014, 15:07:32
I made a layout using hasu's firmware on the 4x6 that I cut into a 4x5. The diode for S20 I had to mount opposite of all of the others (I think it's S20?). 

I'm pretty sure I fixed all of those things in one of the most recent revisions, but none of the PCBs were made with those fixes  :(

I just checked the latest revission from github, it still has the wrong silkscreen.

Yes, it seems I never uploaded the fixed one.  The one I have here is .3 instead of .2.  I'll try to get to that tonight.


Oh S20? I mounted them all the same, except reverse for S5
I'll mess around with it when I am at home tonight, its just a shot with the heat gun.

You're right, it was S5 that was messed up, I had to dig through to find it. Nevermind what I said then.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 11 February 2014, 15:15:44
Excellent!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Smasher816 on Tue, 18 February 2014, 22:38:30
I'll have to keep an eye on this thread as more get built. If anyone happens to have an extra Atmega I would love to take it off your hands, they are impossible to find online right now.

http://octopart.com/atmega32u4-au-atmel-10466143
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: justnits on Tue, 18 February 2014, 23:32:46
will there be full LED keys implementation for this?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Smasher816 on Wed, 19 February 2014, 11:55:17
Full LED lighting would require a new PCB with spots for extra leads and resistors. So I would assume if someone decided to work on that it would have to be as a new project (or possibly revision).
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 19 February 2014, 15:18:09
Still haven't build mine yet :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 21 February 2014, 22:50:08
Anyone figure out how to get LEDs working? 
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 21 February 2014, 22:55:14
I'm only using the numlock led and it is working. I didn't see the point in the other three.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Fri, 21 February 2014, 23:11:51
I'm only using the numlock led and it is working. I didn't see the point in the other three.
Like it is working by default? I'm trying to figure out how to get mine working :P What did you use to make your firmware?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 21 February 2014, 23:36:27
yeah, mine was working by default. I used metalliqaz's easy avr firmware (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0).

Possible that your physical connections are not correct? You have to have led legs in right order and have to have a through hole resistor int he right place.



Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 22 February 2014, 00:19:08
yeah, mine was working by default. I used metalliqaz's easy avr firmware (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0).

Possible that your physical connections are not correct? You have to have led legs in right order and have to have a through hole resistor int he right place.
Through hole resistors? I believe they came with SMD ones and not through hole.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 22 February 2014, 00:20:46
Does anyone have any extra brass standoffs for the moz GHPad case, I never got those. :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sat, 22 February 2014, 00:26:29
Just going to double check... For the LEDs does the square signify the anode or the cathode end?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sun, 23 February 2014, 00:10:26
yeah, mine was working by default. I used metalliqaz's easy avr firmware (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0).

Possible that your physical connections are not correct? You have to have led legs in right order and have to have a through hole resistor int he right place.
Through hole resistors? I believe they came with SMD ones and not through hole.

See this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1157834#msg1157834). It did not come with a resistor for the numlock led since the resistor value depends on which led we use. We are supposed to source our own through hole resistor for this.

Now look at the render in this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1047931#msg1047931) and the pic of the PCB in this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1079844#msg1079844). See how there are holes for resistors under S1, S6, S11, and S16? To make numlock LED work, you need a resistor in the holes under S1.

Just going to double check... For the LEDs does the square signify the anode or the cathode end?

I am pretty sure the square is for cathode. If you look the the pic in this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1079844#msg1079844) you can follow the traces and see that the round pad on S1 connects to the resistor hole while the square pad connects to another square pad which makes it common. So it looks like round is for anode and square for cathode

Edit: MOZ is right, the square is anode. I just pulled out my actual GHPad and looked at it.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: dragonxx21 on Sun, 23 February 2014, 01:42:55
Ah yeah how did I not even notice that. I wonder if it's alright that I've been plugging it in without resistors in there :P Guess I'll have to go out and get some. Guess I'll have to dig through the thread a bit to figure out what resistors I'll need to pick up for the LEDs unless someone already knows.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 23 February 2014, 01:52:52
Square is anode
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Sun, 23 February 2014, 13:50:56
So on this design, the resistors are connected AFTER the LED in the circuit? That is, the vcc goes to LED anode first, then the LED cathode is connected to the resistor, and the resistor goes to ground through the controller chip? So the controller chip does not control when voltage is applied but rather when the LED circuit is grounded? After following all the traces, this is what I think is going on, just trying to confirm. I am obviously still learning here, and this I find fascinating.

Sorry about the wrong answer earlier, dragon. Glad MOZ was paying attention.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 23 February 2014, 14:00:10
Does anyone have any extra brass standoffs for the moz GHPad case, I never got those. :(

I probably have your standoffs, Ray. If I do, I'll pop them in the mail to you. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Smasher816 on Sun, 23 February 2014, 14:02:55
The Atmega is finally back in stock on mouser! :D

I guess that means the last part I need is the PCB. Should I be talking with jdcarpe or phatdood9?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 23 February 2014, 14:24:45
The Atmega is finally back in stock on mouser! :D

I guess that means the last part I need is the PCB. Should I be talking with jdcarpe or phatdood9?

phatdood9 has all the 4x5 PCBs he ordered, besides mine and agodinhost's. :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 23 February 2014, 16:13:22
Does anyone have any extra brass standoffs for the moz GHPad case, I never got those. :(

I probably have your standoffs, Ray. If I do, I'll pop them in the mail to you. Sorry about that.

Thanks JD :thumb:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 24 February 2014, 01:37:25
So on this design, the resistors are connected AFTER the LED in the circuit? That is, the vcc goes to LED anode first, then the LED cathode is connected to the resistor, and the resistor goes to ground through the controller chip? So the controller chip does not control when voltage is applied but rather when the LED circuit is grounded? After following all the traces, this is what I think is going on, just trying to confirm. I am obviously still learning here, and this I find fascinating.

Sorry about the wrong answer earlier, dragon. Glad MOZ was paying attention.

That is correct, the I/O pins on the controller sink the current and pull it low to turn the LEDs on.

Here is the schematic:
(http://i.imgur.com/9ElYTV4.png)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 24 February 2014, 21:29:23
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Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Mon, 24 February 2014, 22:00:04
cool ray, what is that on the left? 4x5 ghpad?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 24 February 2014, 22:03:44
cool ray, what is that on the left? 4x5 ghpad?

Yes.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 24 February 2014, 23:48:33
Looking good!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Tue, 25 February 2014, 17:07:56
Good news!
I received the PCBs this last Friday.
Thanks JD!
 :thumb:

So, anyone already built this keypad using the I2C?
Or I'll be the lab rat?
I'm a lazy bum lab rat ...
 :D
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: daerid on Thu, 27 February 2014, 11:08:51
I have decided I want to put one of these together. Where can I purchase the parts necessary? Has there been a GB for this already?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 27 February 2014, 11:20:48
I have decided I want to put one of these together. Where can I purchase the parts necessary? Has there been a GB for this already?

no group buy yet. phatdood9 may still have some extra PCBs from the latest round of prototypes that were ordered. regack's github  (https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/4x5)has a parts list in it that you can order from mouser or digikey

just fyi, phatdood told me he has been crazy busy with work, so he probably won't be able to answer you very quickly.

MOZ had the first prototype acrylic cases made. Not sure if he's taking on any more orders for them or not right now. He has an IC posted somewhere for a potential acrylic case GB
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: daerid on Thu, 27 February 2014, 11:29:24
no group buy yet. phatdood9 may still have some extra PCBs from the latest round of prototypes that were ordered. regack's github  (https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/4x5)has a parts list in it that you can order from mouser or digikey

just fyi, phatdood told me he has been crazy busy with work, so he probably won't be able to answer you very quickly.

MOZ had the first prototype acrylic cases made. Not sure if he's taking on any more orders for them or not right now. He has an IC posted somewhere for a potential acrylic case GB

Dude you are awesome. Thanks.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Sat, 01 March 2014, 04:43:55
Hi guys, work has been pretty crazy recently. I just got the remaining 4x5s out.

Unfortunately I don't have any 4x5 pcbs left. You guys will have to do another order. I wouldn't recommend going w/ seeedstudio, these PCBs are not the best quality.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Sat, 01 March 2014, 04:46:34
(Attachment Link)

What firmware are you using w/ the 4x5?

I haven't had time to look at it recently, but I was having some issues previously w/ the tmk firmware and the bottom row.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 01 March 2014, 06:48:12
(Attachment Link)

What firmware are you using w/ the 4x5?

I haven't had time to look at it recently, but I was having some issues previously w/ the tmk firmware and the bottom row.

I'll shoot you a PM.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: phatdood9 on Sat, 01 March 2014, 08:12:00
Thanks spamray, I actually figured it out myself. It was mostly user error. Everything seems is working nicely :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 06 May 2014, 15:32:58
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 06 May 2014, 15:33:49
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91

Holy ****, yes I am.

If only I didn't lose that 1 ****ing SMD part for C1 mine would be built and functional right now T_______________T
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 06 May 2014, 15:35:14
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91

No, but looks like a winner to me.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 06 May 2014, 15:44:03
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91

No, but looks like a winner to me.

JD who do you use to proxy things?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 06 May 2014, 16:02:47
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91

No, but looks like a winner to me.

JD who do you use to proxy things?

Bhiner usually. No bad experiences yet.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mashby on Tue, 06 May 2014, 17:18:32
Bhiner usually. No bad experiences yet.

Is he CONUS? If not, should we bundle an order if there are a few of us orderings? I'm happy to volunteer.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 06 May 2014, 22:05:25
Bhiner usually. No bad experiences yet.

Is he CONUS? If not, should we bundle an order if there are a few of us orderings? I'm happy to volunteer.

bhiner is a forwarding company, I've used them before as well. When I loaded that taobao page up it only showed the red case as an option. I'd rather have black.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: boardcolletor on Tue, 06 May 2014, 22:20:37
em...
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: boardcolletor on Tue, 06 May 2014, 22:20:57
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91


It seems we can not get it from Taobao seller directly.
Anyone use the same item on this site as follow? can be shipped by EMS, China Post, DHL.
http://www.pabbos.com/38746408917.shtml
I am not sure.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whitevivian on Tue, 06 May 2014, 22:26:32
You can try.  It accepts Paypal.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: boardcolletor on Tue, 06 May 2014, 22:30:51
No. It can not support Paypal.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 06 May 2014, 22:30:58
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91


It seems we can not get it from Taobao seller directly.
Anyone use the same item on this site as follow? can be shipped by EMS, China Post, DHL.
http://www.pabbos.com/38746408917.shtml
I am not sure.

Still only has 'Red' as an option. :(
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: boardcolletor on Tue, 06 May 2014, 22:36:08
"Red" is available for my GF.  However, Payment is my first point.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BlueBär on Wed, 07 May 2014, 04:34:20
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91

Is that an aluminium case for 30$??
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 07 May 2014, 06:46:25
Anyone get one of these?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.OEDdax&id=38746408917&scm=1007.10039.737.0&pvid=ca181b91-0128-468d-9de5-58403815de91

Is that an aluminium case for 30$??

It looks like it :thumb:

But it seems to only be available in red and it is taobao after all so.....ymmv
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: BlueBär on Wed, 07 May 2014, 07:01:34
It looks like it :thumb:

But it seems to only be available in red and it is taobao after all so.....ymmv

Yeah that price is extremly low. Maybe painted instead of anodized? If it is anodized you could reanodize it, and if it's painted you can probably remove the paint somehow, I wouldn't complain about that for this price :))

Hopefully it's legit :-X
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Thechemist on Sat, 10 May 2014, 11:36:32
(http://i.imgur.com/b403Di2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EK8o6Wm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rnJcg01.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kmStasQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SDWfsOA.jpg)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Sat, 10 May 2014, 11:40:14
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/b403Di2.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EK8o6Wm.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/rnJcg01.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/kmStasQ.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/SDWfsOA.jpg)

gosh!
AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Sat, 10 May 2014, 21:36:24
I want this to go to GB already so I can buy one of these... 

Why so long???
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: WinterIsle on Thu, 15 May 2014, 01:35:44
Received my GHpad pcb few weeks ago, I did a little mod and sanding since the plate layout is fixed and only clear acrylic case is available.
Sorry potatoes:

(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/hmwgbworld/GHpad/WP_20140505_004_zps11791425.jpg)
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/hmwgbworld/GHpad/WP_20140505_009_zps111d5643.jpg)
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/hmwgbworld/GHpad/WP_20140505_013_zpsfc3f1d70.jpg)
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/hmwgbworld/GHpad/WP_20140505_020_zps129851af.jpg)

LED Effects Demo:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: bueller on Thu, 15 May 2014, 01:47:46
Surprised to see most people are making 6x4 pads, thought the majority would've made these for 60% boards. Dead keen to get mine built but I've been super lazy doing the CAD files for the case, kind of hoping that someone comes out with a CNC'ed case.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: feizor on Thu, 15 May 2014, 05:48:40
Received my GHpad pcb few weeks ago, I did a little mod and sanding since the plate layout is fixed and only clear acrylic case is available.
Sorry potatoes:

Show Image
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/hmwgbworld/GHpad/WP_20140505_004_zps11791425.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/hmwgbworld/GHpad/WP_20140505_009_zps111d5643.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/hmwgbworld/GHpad/WP_20140505_013_zpsfc3f1d70.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/hmwgbworld/GHpad/WP_20140505_020_zps129851af.jpg)


LED Effects Demo:

Acrylic works really well with LEDs.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 15 May 2014, 07:45:48
Acrylic works really well with LEDs.
When using good quality laser cutted acrylic yes.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 15 May 2014, 22:43:56
Not nearly as fancy as some but better than no case at all.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: darknessaven on Mon, 19 May 2014, 23:33:55
Is there any estimate for when there might be a group buy for a GHpad kit?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: slickmamba on Wed, 21 May 2014, 02:16:08
Awesome addition to the 60% boards! Can't wait to get on the GB!
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: domoaligato on Sat, 31 May 2014, 03:50:05
Has anyone that is part of this dev group tested this with the gh60?
Does this still integrate with the gh60 or is this it's own standalone keypad?

I am good either way I was just curious.

If the pcb's seem to be finished for these I would like to either source a pcb or split the cost of a batch @ oshpark with a few other people.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Sat, 31 May 2014, 06:06:33
Has anyone that is part of this dev group tested this with the gh60?
Does this still integrate with the gh60 or is this it's own standalone keypad?

I am good either way I was just curious.

If the pcb's seem to be finished for these I would like to either source a pcb or split the cost of a batch @ oshpark with a few other people.

I'm in if another batch of pcbs is being produced.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 01 June 2014, 11:43:03
I still want one with SMD stuff done for me, but only 4x5.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: mashby on Thu, 03 July 2014, 09:43:20
I finally got off my duff and mailed my GH Pad to TheChemist to do the SMD work for me.

@IvanIvanovich -- It looks like the AboStudio Number Pad (which is a GH Pad) supports 4x5 layout.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Thu, 03 July 2014, 10:18:23
I really wish I got in on that last run of 4x6 pcbs.  I realized the run was going to happen like 2 days after it was finalized.  :(  Now it has been like 6 months and there has been no movement on this.

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 03 July 2014, 10:21:10
I really wish I got in on that last run of 4x6 pcbs.  I realized the run was going to happen like 2 days after it was finalized.  :(  Now it has been like 6 months and there has been no movement on this.




Just get one of these PCBs. They are GHpads : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59950.0
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Thu, 03 July 2014, 15:40:23
I really wish I got in on that last run of 4x6 pcbs.  I realized the run was going to happen like 2 days after it was finalized.  :(  Now it has been like 6 months and there has been no movement on this.

Just get one of these PCBs. They are GHpads : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59950.0

Sweet.  Thanks for pointing that out for me.  :)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 03 July 2014, 20:40:56
Man mine has all the SMD stuff done but I can't get it to even detect on my computer :( put it on hold for now :\ (it's the black pcb prototype)
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: swill on Thu, 03 July 2014, 21:08:45
Man mine has all the SMD stuff done but I can't get it to even detect on my computer :( put it on hold for now :\ (it's the black pcb prototype)

Make sure the diodes are are connected the correct way.  I seem to remember there was a batch that was done with the diode silkscreen printed backwards.  Does anyone remember the details of that?  I remember others saying they had the same behavior and it had something to do with a mistake on the silkscreen and I think the fix was relatively easy (maybe time consuming though).

Anyone remember???  I am too lazy to find the post.    :blank:
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 03 July 2014, 21:09:24
Man mine has all the SMD stuff done but I can't get it to even detect on my computer :( put it on hold for now :\ (it's the black pcb prototype)

Make sure the diodes are are connected the correct way.  I seem to remember there was a batch that was done with the diode silkscreen printed backwards.  Does anyone remember the details of that?  I remember others saying they had the same behavior and it had something to do with a mistake on the silkscreen and I think the fix was relatively easy (maybe time consuming though).

Anyone remember???  I am too lazy to find the post.    :blank:

Even if the diodes are on backwards, it should at least register on my PC no..? But no I have everything on correctly.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: bueller on Mon, 07 July 2014, 01:51:38
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60290.0

Anyone got experience with 3D modelling and want to check my work?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 25 July 2014, 10:20:23
I missed much of the middle of this thread, but I now working on what is an extended-width version of the GHpad for use as a gamepad.

See thread here: input devices » Custom Programmable LH Gaming Pad (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60800.msg1406461#msg1406461)

What I would like to do is add two columns to a fiver-row version of the GHpad.

[attachimg=1]
samwisekoi gamepad v2.

 Electrically it should be simple to extend the rows -- but are there pad, pins, or traces where I could connect the two columns?  (Or the reverse if the PCB is row-wise instead of column-wise?)

Alternatively, if someone wants to point me to page nn of 32 in this or another thread, I am happy to look at circuit diagrams or schematics myself.

For general interest, the outcome of this request is likely to be some 1x5 or 1x6 extension PCBs that could be used by the inventive to extend the GHpad into other form factors as desired.

Thanks in advance, kind sers!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 July 2014, 10:34:46
Every row and column on the GHpad is broken out to solder pads on the side of the PCB. If your expansion PCB had the column and rows broken out in the same manner, it should be trivial to wire them together and connect to a separate controller board, be it a Teensy or whatever.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 25 July 2014, 10:43:23
Every row and column on the GHpad is broken out to solder pads on the side of the PCB. If your expansion PCB had the column and rows broken out in the same manner, it should be trivial to wire them together and connect to a separate controller board, be it a Teensy or whatever.

Got it.  Thanks.

Is the reverse true?  Can I wire my expansion PCBs to the GHpad controller?  I can extend the rows by wiring to the GHpad row pads.  Are there places where I could ADD two additional columns?  Going from a 4x6 matrix to a 6x6 matrix?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
 

Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 July 2014, 10:52:21
Every row and column on the GHpad is broken out to solder pads on the side of the PCB. If your expansion PCB had the column and rows broken out in the same manner, it should be trivial to wire them together and connect to a separate controller board, be it a Teensy or whatever.

Got it.  Thanks.

Is the reverse true?  Can I wire my expansion PCBs to the GHpad controller?  I can extend the rows by wiring to the GHpad row pads.  Are there places where I could ADD two additional columns?  Going from a 4x6 matrix to a 6x6 matrix?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
 



I don't think any of the spare pins on the ATmega are broken out to pads on the PCB. :(

But don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 25 July 2014, 12:45:29

I don't think any of the spare pins on the ATmega are broken out to pads on the PCB. :(

But don't quote me on that.

[Hits quote button...]

But there ARE spare pins on the ATmega?  Is there a good image of the PCB front and back somewhere?

Worst case I can always remap any of the new keys to unused keys in the existing 24 RC positions.

Thanks!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 25 July 2014, 18:05:13
It looks like I can connect to Pin 20 and 21 here:

[attachimg=1]
Closeup of GHpad v0.8 by regack

WITHOUT using the serial expander, of course.

Column 1-4 are on pins 13-16, so unless these are special pins, it appears to me like I could hook a couple of columns to those pins and mod the firmware accordingly.

Otherwise it looks like direct to SMD pins on the ATmega, which I would like to avoid.

Does anyone know if I could safely connect Columns 5 and 6 to Pins 20 and 21?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 26 July 2014, 14:20:10
No, you can't, those two are to allow the GHPad to be connected to an I2C enabled device, like say the Ergodox, or some other future keyboard that has I2C enabled, so that a dedicated controller MPU is not required on the GHPad and an I/O expander can be used instead.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: regack on Sun, 27 July 2014, 19:02:03
I haven't been able to be around much due to... life... but what you could do is repurpose the PB3 (MISO), PB2 (MOSI) & PB1 (SCK) pins from the pads where you could connect an ISP between S3 and S8, they're just as not conveniently located at the edge of the pcb.  I guess that would get you 3 extra rows or columns...



In that clipped picture, to the left of the MCPblahblah silkscreens is the GND pin with MISO below it.  The silkscreen for those is on the front of the PCB, and not the back.



Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: Glod on Tue, 09 September 2014, 22:25:22
i am not having luck programming my "red scarf" GHPad from the group buy

i made a hex file in the easykeymap app and used flip to flash, flip driver is installed and it shows it erasing and programming sucessfully and validates but when i unplug and plug the keypad back into the computer it does not see it as a keyboard. no input is registered on any key

anyone have a hex file i could try, maybe it has to do with the easykeymap app
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 10 September 2014, 04:43:40
Try loading using the Teensy app, I have always used that for loading firmware and never had any issues.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 10 September 2014, 12:13:52
i am not having luck programming my "red scarf" GHPad from the group buy

i made a hex file in the easykeymap app and used flip to flash, flip driver is installed and it shows it erasing and programming sucessfully and validates but when i unplug and plug the keypad back into the computer it does not see it as a keyboard. no input is registered on any key

anyone have a hex file i could try, maybe it has to do with the easykeymap app

I had the same problem using metalliqaz's easykeymap.  Ended up using regack's firmware (https://github.com/regack/4x6/tree/GHpad) (be sure to read the READMEs).  Not as nice or easy to use as easykeymap, but it works.  Note that I cut my PCB down to 4x5 (don't think this matters but pointing it out in case it does).
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whitevivian on Thu, 11 September 2014, 04:31:41
Quote
http://www.pabbos.com/38746408917.shtml

there are " Black", "Aluminum Color" .   No "red" Color now.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: boardcolletor on Wed, 17 September 2014, 23:22:18
Quote
http://www.pabbos.com/38746408917.shtml

there are " Black", "Aluminum Color" .   No "red" Color now.

Seems not bad.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 18 December 2014, 10:24:14
MOZ, did you ever release cad files for an acrylic ghpad case in a 4x5 size?

EDIT: Or does anyone have a source for a 4x5 acrylic case?
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 18 December 2014, 10:27:41
I'm not sure. I'll check on my system and post them in any case.
Title: Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
Post by: breh on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:01:31
First I'd like to apologize if I shouldn't have necro'd a thread from over a year ago, but I wasn't sure if this post warranted a new topic. I've tried my best to follow this thread through in my course of building a GHpad.

I am still looking for a case for the thing since TaoBao was out of stock for the nice acrylic cases. I was curious if anyone had CAD models for either a 2-piece plate case (like the one JDCarpe made for TheChemist https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1324791#msg1324791 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1324791#msg1324791)) or the multi-piece acrylic that MOZ made (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1167300#msg1167300 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1167300#msg1167300)); I'd also be interested in potentially buying one if available.

Recently I bought a GHpad board from TaoBao called "AMJ Pad". It looks like a modified version of regack's board with resistor positions for optional LEDs at every switch position as well as additional LED positions around the perimeter of the board. I wanted to get your knowledgeable opinions before I assume these to be true, and I also had a few questions.
The boards can be seen here:
[attach=1][attach=2]

Below I've labeled a few positions on the board I had a question about:
[attach=3][attach=4]

Just to recap what I am currently assuming:
There's 24 switch positions on this board since it's basically the 6x4 layout by regack complete with the sort of breakaway bottom row. Each key position has a diode SMD solder point designated by D1-D24. Diodes are required for key operation. I'm doing a 21-key config so I only need to solder diodes for the relevant switches. I will probably solder all 24 on, since I have no idea which diode corresponds to which switch position.

Additionally each switch position has a resistor solder point for optional LEDs on switches in positions RL1-24. If I don't have an LED on a switch, the resistor is optional. Resistor sizing depends on the LED voltage needed.

There are 15 LED positions on the perimeter of the board. Each position has 4 solder pads, 2 for the resistor, 2 for the LED. I have no idea if the resistor goes first or the LED. I have no idea what orientation the polarity is for those solder points for the LEDs. The solder mask is slightly more bulbous on one side, maybe this means something.

Everything above is stated as my interpretation, not fact; please correct me if I'm wrong!
Thank you very much for reading.

Regards,
breh